Chase Stuart
Footballguy
For these purposes, assume GB had to play Gabbert and he could not get hurt or be benched. Which team is better?
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Trade Aaron Rodgers for Blaine Gabbert (1 Viewer)
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I null voted.Without question, the Packers passing game with the rest of the Jaguars would be an obvious edge for Jacksonville. Jaguars have the better running game, probably the better rush D, and probably the better pass D as well (at least when the Jaguars are healthy). The Packers have the best passing attack in the league and the Jaguars have unquestionably the worst, so there you have it. Guess it comes down to how much is Rodgers a part of the passing attack.Which team would be better?GB (0 votes [0.00%]) Percentage of vote: 0.00% JAX (2 votes [100.00%]) Chase and I agree
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TheFootballJesus
Footballguy
Green Bay, easily.
Can you name one playmaker on the Jags defense?
People are forgetting about the existence of Matt Flynn. Flynn almost beat the 14-2 Patriots last year on the road.
Can you name one playmaker on the Jags defense?
People are forgetting about the existence of Matt Flynn. Flynn almost beat the 14-2 Patriots last year on the road.
I pretty much agree with your logic here, but ended up voting GB. Although I guess I should have asked this first (even though I don't think it would change my answer), Define better. Better as in a better record this year? OR better as in who would win in the a game between the two.I null voted.Without question, the Packers passing game with the rest of the Jaguars would be an obvious edge for Jacksonville. Jaguars have the better running game, probably the better rush D, and probably the better pass D as well (at least when the Jaguars are healthy). The Packers have the best passing attack in the league and the Jaguars have unquestionably the worst, so there you have it. Guess it comes down to how much is Rodgers a part of the passing attack.Which team would be better?GB (0 votes [0.00%]) Percentage of vote: 0.00% JAX (2 votes [100.00%]) Chase and I agree
I think the question is meant to be with Flynn out of the picture and Gabbert starting for GB.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
The assumption in the OP was that Gabbert could not be benched....I'm assuming the Jags could not bench Rodgers either.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The Jags offense with Rodgers and MJD would be unbelievable, even with low-rent WRs. The Jags defense's huge problems this year are injuries and time on the field.
Edge Jags.
Edge Jags.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think the Packers still challenge for the division with Flynn starting the whole season.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
California
Footballguy
I think he means look at what happened to the Colts without Manning.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Maybe, but not with Gabbert.
Gabbert is an anchor right now. I think the Jags running game and defense is good enough to win with Rodgers.
The Packers defense has not played very well, nor has their running game. I don't think they could run anywhere near the same offensive system with a rookie like Gabbert taking all the snaps.
The Packers defense has not played very well, nor has their running game. I don't think they could run anywhere near the same offensive system with a rookie like Gabbert taking all the snaps.
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I can't believe people think Jax would be better. Jax OL was terrible last night. The announcers kept blaming Gabbert for holding the ball tooo long, but a couple of times, the rush was upon him before he completed his drop. Who is going to catch the ball for Jax? Chastin West? Did anyone know who he was prior to the season starting? Dillard? He couldn't catch a punt. Taylor Price? He had the 3rd most snaps by a WR last night and it's not likehe got cut by a team without a good QB.
shadyridr
Footballguy
thats not the question he asked
Can we also assume that they both have similarly ranked defenses or just focus the question on offenses?Jags would be better offense and it is not even close.Rodgers would make the crap wrs in Jacksonville much better. Oh yeah, he would have MJD too.Gabbert would make the elite wrs in GB look like Jacksonville wrs.Green Bay had a porous offensive line beginning of last year and Rodgers still got his - and this Jags line blocks well enough for MJD.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Are Mike Simms-Walker and Mike Thomas healthy in this scenario?
Hybrid
Footballguy
The Green Bay O-Linemen aren't exactly world beaters.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Ill take the Jags. Aaron Rodgers makes the WR household names. MJD has his best season yet, because defenses cant stack the box. Mercedes Lewis has a career year with an actual QB throwing to him. A stud QB makes a crappy team look a lot better. The Jags would also destroy th Colts and Titans and would give Houston a run and could win that division.
The Packers defense allows a ton of points. Without Rodgers in there scoring 30+ every week, this team is barely above .500. Lets also not forget that the Packers have absolutely no run game. They can get away with it since Rodgers throws their way out of it.
The Packers defense allows a ton of points. Without Rodgers in there scoring 30+ every week, this team is barely above .500. Lets also not forget that the Packers have absolutely no run game. They can get away with it since Rodgers throws their way out of it.
nxmehta
Footballguy
About 100000%I null voted.Without question, the Packers passing game with the rest of the Jaguars would be an obvious edge for Jacksonville. Jaguars have the better running game, probably the better rush D, and probably the better pass D as well (at least when the Jaguars are healthy). The Packers have the best passing attack in the league and the Jaguars have unquestionably the worst, so there you have it. Guess it comes down to how much is Rodgers a part of the passing attack.Which team would be better?
GB (0 votes [0.00%])
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JAX (2 votes [100.00%])
Chase and I agree
Did MSW play for Jax this year? 86 snaps? That's going to make a difference? Mike Thomas - do you think he even makes the Packers team, let alone cracks the starting lineup?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I screwed up my vote because I should of went with GB. I believe that fans (especially fantasy fans) over value the QB in the winning formula.
I hate to say it but Green Bay is an outstanding organization from the scouting department right down to the coaching staff. They haven't lost a game in over a year. Rodgers is great as well but so is his protection and his wide receivers. Green Bay defense is still better than the Jags. Atlanta is not going to score 42 on the Pack even if Gabbert was throwing 3 and outs.
I also thought the two most over-rated team coming into the year were Indy and San Diego. Fans had them over-rated based solely on QB play. A QB can win you several close game but it takes more of a team effort to win consistently.
I hate to say it but Green Bay is an outstanding organization from the scouting department right down to the coaching staff. They haven't lost a game in over a year. Rodgers is great as well but so is his protection and his wide receivers. Green Bay defense is still better than the Jags. Atlanta is not going to score 42 on the Pack even if Gabbert was throwing 3 and outs.
I also thought the two most over-rated team coming into the year were Indy and San Diego. Fans had them over-rated based solely on QB play. A QB can win you several close game but it takes more of a team effort to win consistently.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Bump Lewis
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
It becomes a "Which came first, the chicken or the egg" type of argument. You say Rodgers enjoys excellent protection as well as his receivers, but I'm betting you wouldn't know who Jenning/Nelson were either if Gabbert was throwing them the ball and the Jags O-line would be vastly improved merely by the presence of Rodgers. It's an interesting debate. And how much better would the Jags D be if they weren't constantly playing from behind? You could take many more risks on defense knowing you had Rodgers on the other side of the ball.
Jacksonville was 8-8 with Garrard last season, who by all accounts is not as good as Aaron Rodgers. What else has changed for them? Their defense is actually much better this year, and MJD is a bit sprier. I see 10 wins easily. On the other hand as we've seen with the Colts, good skill players on offense become worthless when you have practice squad talent at QB. So the talents of Jennings, Nelson, Finley are completely neutered, and they already struggle to run the ball. The defense will be more exposed than it already is when they can't play from ahead. I feel pretty confident in saying they would suck. If they had Flynn instead of Gabbert, and Flynn is competent like we think he is, then that's a bit different. Just like if Colts had a competent QB.
ZWK
Footballguy
Mike Sims-Walker isn't healthy in any scenario.
glumpy
breeze
Yup. Seems it did.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I think Matt Cassel situation would be similar. Cassel took NE to a 11-5 record the year after the perfect season. Packers are on par if not better than that NE team. Mike McCarthy is not Belichick but he would adapt the offense to suit Gabbet strengths. Packers could definitely have a winning record. I am not a Gabbert fan but could he play as well as Sanchez his rookie year. New York went 9-7 while Sanchez threw 12 touchdowns and 20 interceptions.Would the Jags win just by adding Rodgers? Would his receivers stop dropping balls? Would he get enough time to throw deep? Would he be able to stay health absorbing the increased hits?I still think I will take Green Bay
mr roboto
Footballguy
The answer is Jax, no contest.
GB's defense and running game is similar to the Colts the last couple years. Their talent on offense is almost identical at the WR, TE, and RB position (Wayne/Jennings, Garçon/Nelson, Collie/Driver, Finley/Clark, Addai/Grant et al). Their respective defenses have a few play makers (Matthews/Freeney etc) but seem to give up a lot of points.
I think GB would be better than 0-13 but not by much.
GB's defense and running game is similar to the Colts the last couple years. Their talent on offense is almost identical at the WR, TE, and RB position (Wayne/Jennings, Garçon/Nelson, Collie/Driver, Finley/Clark, Addai/Grant et al). Their respective defenses have a few play makers (Matthews/Freeney etc) but seem to give up a lot of points.
I think GB would be better than 0-13 but not by much.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Probably wise that you failed to mention Green Bay's Oline and secondary because it definitely would be no contest. Green Bay's second string lineman are better than the Colts starters and those pro bowlers in the secondary do deserve mentioning.
mr roboto
Footballguy
This year, maybe. Colts o line was a strength of theirs for years. You really think the reason the colts can't score this year is the o line?You can rack up the pass yards vs packers as well. It's not like they have a shut down secondary.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
That's why I was asking if he is healthy in the scenario we're talking about in this thread.
Not sure how this matters. He's on the Jaguars, which is who Rodgers would play for here. The point is he would probably be throwing to better players than Dillard and West, not that he would have the corps he has now.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Green Bay 27 interceptions (best in the league)Colts 6 (worst - tied with the Vikings)
mr roboto
Footballguy
You think the fact that teams are chucking it around to keep pace because Rodgers gets them to big leads has anything to do with that?
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Of course it does but their secondary is way above average. And yes I do think the Oline is the reason Colts can't score.
glumpy
breeze
Is this a trick question? Being as how he's on the front end of every pass, I'd say 50%.I null voted.Without question, the Packers passing game with the rest of the Jaguars would be an obvious edge for Jacksonville. Jaguars have the better running game, probably the better rush D, and probably the better pass D as well (at least when the Jaguars are healthy). The Packers have the best passing attack in the league and the Jaguars have unquestionably the worst, so there you have it. Guess it comes down to how much is Rodgers a part of the passing attack.Which team would be better?
GB (0 votes [0.00%])
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JAX (2 votes [100.00%])
Chase and I agree
Hooper31
Footballguy
Just like it was answered with the Patriots.
solorca
Footballguy
I think we would also have to assume that it's the start of a new season, and Jacksonville has it's players on IR back. Prior to the injuries, their defense was a VERY solid unit. For me, MJD makes the difference. Even though the receiving group in Jacksonville is terrible, Rodgers could survive quite well with Mike Thomas and Jason Hill, along with Marcedes Lewis at TE. Cecil Shorts could also do ok with Rodgers.
Gabbert would have the benefit of much better receivers, but with his inconsistencies he wouldn't have a running game to save him.
Gabbert would have the benefit of much better receivers, but with his inconsistencies he wouldn't have a running game to save him.
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I think they are suggesting that Gabbert is closer to Painter than Cassel.
pghrob
Footballguy
Jax going through major changes at ownership and coaching. Going into 2011 draft, there were many reputable NFL scouts who had him rated as the top qb. He has proved them all wrong looking very timid and ill prepared. Will be interesting to see what comes of Gabbert.Full disclosure: I was one of the knuckleheads that passed on Cam Newton when I selected Gabbert with the 12th overall pick in my dynasty league rookie draft this past year. Cam Newton was something like pick 14.
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