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Or it’ll be an MMA match on the sidelines. One of the 2.
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If You're The Pittsburgh GM, Who Would You Rather Have As Steelers QB? - Rudolph or Rodgers? (2 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And yet it seemed like they put shackles on Fields, as he hardly ran - much to the detriment of sustaining drives.
I don’t love the fit with “disciplinarian” Tomlin and Ayahuasca enthusiast free/spirit ARod. I keep seeing folks say it’s a good fit, and I see a peanut butter pickle and mayonnaise sandwich.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Tomlin would just "accidentally" step on the field to impede his progress like he did with Jacoby Jones.Or it’ll be an MMA match on the sidelines. One of the 2.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Rodgers doesn't move the needle. They might be a little better with him, but the team needs to commit to finding a QB for the future and signing Rodgers impedes that. Give Rudolph a shot, give Howard a look once the season is lost. And then use the draft capital in 2026 to make whatever trade is necessary to land a QB they feel is capable of being the guy. Trading up from 10 or 12 would be easier than trading up from 18 or 20.
A lot of Steelers fans are tired of living in purgatory, and Rodgers keeps the Steelers there at best. Good enough to not suck, not good enough to really contend. Winning 9 or 10 games, sneaking in as the 6 or 7 seed, and getting smashed in the playoffs. Only 2 seasons since 2011 with a playoff win despite Ben being the QB from 2011 through 2021, and he was good the entire time except being injured in 2019 and ineffective in 2021. The Steelers struggles didn't start when Ben retired, they started 14 years ago no matter how much praise the national media wants to heap on Tomlin. Tomlin had playoff success for 5 years after he inherited a ready made Super Bowl contender, but it's been a struggle ever since. It's time for that cycle to stop.
A lot of Steelers fans are tired of living in purgatory, and Rodgers keeps the Steelers there at best. Good enough to not suck, not good enough to really contend. Winning 9 or 10 games, sneaking in as the 6 or 7 seed, and getting smashed in the playoffs. Only 2 seasons since 2011 with a playoff win despite Ben being the QB from 2011 through 2021, and he was good the entire time except being injured in 2019 and ineffective in 2021. The Steelers struggles didn't start when Ben retired, they started 14 years ago no matter how much praise the national media wants to heap on Tomlin. Tomlin had playoff success for 5 years after he inherited a ready made Super Bowl contender, but it's been a struggle ever since. It's time for that cycle to stop.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I didn't realize they had just given Tomlin an extension...
What about a trade? A team that wants to get a culture guy would give up at least a first to get Tomlin as coach. Would make it more palatable than just cutting a coach with sustained success like Tomlin. I'm not plugged into the Steelers enough to know like @5-ish Finkle seems to be, mostly just read comments from the steelers thread that want Tomlin gone, so I don't know if ownership is truly willing to let Tomlin do whatever he thinks is best until he's done. A trade just seems like a happy medium for both sides.
@Joe Bryant I feel like a number of teams do that unintentionally. The giants, imo, fired their entire front office by drafting Dart. But you're right, it doesn't make sense to keep the coach if they're tanking. The new regime needs to figure out who is going to make it through the rebuild.
I think it’s a really good fit.
Rodgers is risk averse, likes to operate at a slow tempo and has excelled in play action. All of these are ideal for the offense and style of play they want to be on offense. It’s not perfect but will probably be better able to operate Arthur Smiths offense more then anyone QB cursed Arthur Smith has had before. It’s a low bar for sure, Tannehills the one to beat IMO.
The major concern is Rodgers having spent most of his career under McCarthy or Hackett and being reluctant to make changes leading to a butting of the heads. And of course his lack of practice to this point since he needs to learn the nuances of a new system.
But this is one of the reasons I’ve been saying I thought Rodgers made more sense than the 2 they let go. Just think he’s a better fit for the offense they want to run.
For sure. I think that's precisely why they didn't want him there. A rookie defensive minded head coach with a confident first ballot Hall Of Famer QB was going to be tough.
I think it was ultimately to the teams detriment, but I understand why they did it.
We're in the tiny minority but we're together on this. Watch yourself
I find some of the characterizations of Rodgers interesting. I've seen way more what you see in how risk averse he's been. I forget the number of pick sixes but it was remarkable.
Will be interesting.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I don't think it was for the Jets, Joe.
I understand we (and lots of people here) disagree there.
I'm puzzled at this one. He's easily the least risk averse HOF level QB we've seen in the last 20+ years and maybe a lot longer then that.
I've actually read and heard criticism leveled at him in the past for being overly safe because some people felt he cared to much about his low interception rates.
On that note let me throw some stats on this.
He's 8th all time in the NFL in pass attempts. He's only 97th all time in interceptions.
The top 10 all time passing leaders are almost a full list of his contemporary's including Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben, Eli, Matt Ryan. Rodgers INT % easily beats them all, he and Brady are only two under 2% and he's beating Brady 1.4 % to 1.8%. The Mannings bros are two of the least conservative of his era fwiw, Peyton almost doubled him at 2.7% and Eli more then doubled him at 3%. The others are all 2.2% or higher.
Favre was not of this era but he beat them all at 3.3%. I guess some people are helmet scouting or confusing the two of them.
Got no other way to define being risk averse really then protecting the ball from interceptions and he's one of the all time best at it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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Do you think Rodgers will struggle in that area due to potential lack of mobility? I realize he’s a full season removed from the Achilles, but it’s possible he’s not as mobile as he once was given the age/injury.
I do recall he’s always been smart enough to throw it away if the play is breaking down - that said, in the few Jets games that I watched last year IIRC he did have a couple bad ints trying to force balls to receivers who weren’t open.
It’s fair to wonder if he’s going to be the same QB he’s been historically, or if this will be a new chapter in the Aaron Rodgers story.
from my observations, some of that was his ability to evade the pass rush & buy time, similar to younger, more mobile Russel Wilson.
Do you think Rodgers will struggle in that area due to potential lack of mobility? I realize he’s a full season removed from the Achilles, but it’s possible he’s not as mobile as he once was given the age/injury.
I do recall he’s always been smart enough to throw it away if the play is breaking down - that said, in the few Jets games that I watched last year IIRC he did have a couple bad ints trying to force balls to receivers who weren’t open.
It’s fair to wonder if he’s going to be the same QB he’s been historically, or if this will be a new chapter in the Aaron Rodgers story.
I honestly think that's more a case of getting the crap beat out of you forcing you into trying to take chances you would not normally. And by crap getting beat out of you I mean the team.
All that being said his 1.9% int rate was still solid, of those all time Qb's from his era the only one whose career rate as lower was Brady at 1.8%, and he was a statue.
While I think he'll be better off being an extra year removed from the achilles, even if he's older, it would be unreasonable to think he's still the player he was though I still think it's possible he could be on a level like old Chiefs Joe Montana. A guy who physically was not the same, but won with his mind and experience and really played a high level of football IMO. I'd say Brady but I don't think he puts in the work taking care of his body like Brady did. But with respect to suddenly going out of character and taking more risk? I don't see that but again if/when you are getting clobbered week in and week out you usually have no choice put to play a little more aggressive at times then you'd otherwise prefer.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I think from a work ethic and taking care of his body standpoint he's good. He works hard and knows what it takes. Sure, he skips the early season which is nothing new (though with a new team being there would certainly be to everyone's advantage), but i don't think that's going to hold him back when it matters. He's at the age where the wheels can suddenly fall off, so we'll find out quick if the injury is in the rear view and how much ability age has stolen.
He's lost a good deal of that mobility, you even saw it slowing down in his final years with the packers. Will he take more sacks because of that, i think so. Age and injury are going to force him to change up his game.
Play steelers D, pound the ball with the running game, and let Rodgers pick his spots and keep the turnovers at a minimum and there's room for success here. Ofcourse Wilson should have been able to do exactly this aswell, so how much of an upgrade, downgrade, lateral move this ultimately is (if Rodgers actually signs and i think he will) will be anyone's guess until we get into a few regular season games.
100% this. His mobility and ability to throw a rope with pinpoint accuracy rolling to the right, buying time, throwing across his body was the best I've ever seen, hell, his pure accuracy along with arm strength makes him the best pure passer I've ever seen. He protects the ball and at times can hold it to long and take unnecessary sacks, but that's better than a pick, so the risk averse label is accurate, but i think his ability to not turn the ball over is a strength.
He's lost a good deal of that mobility, you even saw it slowing down in his final years with the packers. Will he take more sacks because of that, i think so. Age and injury are going to force him to change up his game.
This is what he's going to have to do to be successful no doubt about it. Losing the mobility and likely some of that tight window zip will put him in the game manager role at this stage of his career. He's thrived on timing and will still have above average accuracy to go with his ability to limit turnovers so it's a role he can excel in imo.
Play steelers D, pound the ball with the running game, and let Rodgers pick his spots and keep the turnovers at a minimum and there's room for success here. Ofcourse Wilson should have been able to do exactly this aswell, so how much of an upgrade, downgrade, lateral move this ultimately is (if Rodgers actually signs and i think he will) will be anyone's guess until we get into a few regular season games.
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I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean with "I'm puzzled at this one. He's easily the least risk averse HOF level QB we've seen in the last 20+ years and maybe a lot longer then that."
I think we maybe are defining words differently.
Rodgers protects the ball. As you said, he's regularly criticized for caring about a low interception rate.
To me that means he's highly averse to risk.
Someone who is the least risk averse is someone who doesn't care about risk and lets it fly regardless of the risk.
Is that what you mean?
Yes that’s what I meant.
Thanks. Then you mean what I’m saying.
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kutta
Footballguy
I think the real issue here is his age. Besides Brady, there’s really not been any QB’s who’ve had great success after 40 (unless I’m missing something…). And for sure none who’ve come off a recent Achilles tear. And for sure for sure none who’ve also starting anew on a new team.
There just seems to be so much stacked against Rogers. The Steelers would be better to look towards the future (tank?).
There just seems to be so much stacked against Rogers. The Steelers would be better to look towards the future (tank?).
I also find it interesting when players who are confident in their knowledge and understanding of the game and offense are criticized when they do anything more than be a puppet for the coordinator. Especially when that confidence and knowledge has been demonstrated to be successful.
I think the truth is Aaron Rodgers is likely a better offensive coordinator than Arthur Smith. That was the same for Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady at the end of their careers. Much of what made these guys Hall of Famers was not just their physical ability, but their understanding of offense. I would expect Tomlin and Smith are mature enough to understand that. All they want to do is win. If that means yielding some control to a player/coordinator on the field, I expect they would.
I think the truth is Aaron Rodgers is likely a better offensive coordinator than Arthur Smith. That was the same for Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady at the end of their careers. Much of what made these guys Hall of Famers was not just their physical ability, but their understanding of offense. I would expect Tomlin and Smith are mature enough to understand that. All they want to do is win. If that means yielding some control to a player/coordinator on the field, I expect they would.
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Agreed. I also think it's part of the intrigue. It's a human question and something lots of fans ask too. They may be older and not playing NFL football, but the "can the old guy still succeed in a young man's game?" is a super compelling and relatable question.
It's one more example where the league wins with connecting with fans beyond the actual scoreboard.
My favorite example on the "obviously they are better at this than I am" angle is there was a retired baseball umpire talking about maybe some batters see balls and strikes better than he did.
They asked him, "If Rod Carew is at the plate and he's on a full count and he takes the next pitch and doesn't swing, do you call it a strike if you think it's a strike?"
The ump laughed and said. "Are you kidding me? You think I think I can see better than Rod Carew? Rod Carew takes a pitch on a full count, that's probably a ball."
They asked him, "If Rod Carew is at the plate and he's on a full count and he takes the next pitch and doesn't swing, do you call it a strike if you think it's a strike?"
The ump laughed and said. "Are you kidding me? You think I think I can see better than Rod Carew? Rod Carew takes a pitch on a full count, that's probably a ball."
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I'd believe the bolded when we see it.
If Mike's mature enough to understand that, then why did he try putting that same governor on Roethlisberger during his end-of-career arc? Because #7 absolutely was a better OC than Randy Fichtner or Matt Canada (which he repeatedly proved by pretty much ignoring the coaches and calling his own plays when it mattered anyway). Why wouldn't he give more flexibility to another QB with a SB ring and a likely HOF resume in Wilson? But we are supposed to buy he'll do it for Rodgers?
It really feels like some of y'all over-deify Mike Tomlin because that's the narrative the national media has put forth for 20 years, while they haven't bothered to take a closer look at his history since around 2017. When people try to show you who they really are for that long, you should probably believe them.
Mike is still a good coach, but he is incredibly stubborn and (more importantly) incredibly, incredibly risk averse. Could he have woken up 3 months ago and said to himself "You know what, I think the reason we haven't been doing more than sneaking into the playoffs as a WC and then getting drilled for the past 8 years may be because I haven't given my HOF-level QBs the carte blanche that I should to contribute to playcalling. Let's get Rodgers in here and I'll stop doing that"? Sure, he could have. Has he done that? We won't know unless/until they acutally aquire Rodgers and see it play out in realtime, but I am absolutely, positively taking the under on it.
For sure. I expect to see lots of things and I wind up being wrong. We'll see.
I don't think anyone ever put Roethlisberger into the cerebral QB category. He's one of the guys that seemed to rely heavily on his physical traits.
I'm not sure people "deify" Tomlin. I think lots of people, me included, think he's one of the top Head Coaches. That's a long ways from deification though.
Like you, I think it'll be interesting to see if he gives up some control to Rodgers if it works out. Roethlisberger was great, but that feels like a different situation. Again, we'll see. (Maybe).
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
History would say that after 40, he will most likely not play well. Rodgers could be one of those outliers, but he may also not. At this point, we will see if he plays.
Agreed. History is stacked against him.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Chaka
Footballguy
I disagree. I don't see Rodgers as a difference maker anymore. He hasn't signed yet but has already missed one voluntary OTA last week and is set to miss another this week.
If he was all in right now, as in today, I see him as, at best +2 in the win column. If he shows up for TC only I'm not confident he's even +1.
Darius Slay & Cam Heyward have both commented about how important "want to" is at this time of year. They were diplomatic about it but it's easy to see resentment brewing in the locker room. Resentment will cost games.
Rodgers, even as a full participant in the off-season program does not instantly turn the Steelers into a playoff contender, let alone a Super Bowl contender. Every day he misses decreases the benefit he may bring.
There is also no future with Rodgers, he's one and done and, if he wants to stay, he won't be a better QB in 2026.
You sign a guy like Rodgers if you think you can make a deep run and, assuming he's all in. But, if you're going to be a fringe team, which the Steelers are, you might as well see if you have a future with your QB.
If Rodgers just shows up for TC IMO, the odds of Rudolph surprising everyone are about the same as Rodgers doing the same.
Thanks. Do you have the link for that?
I searched and found this for a followup.
sports.yahoo.com
Pittsburgh Steelers All-Pro defensive tackle Cam Heyward put out a blunt message to Aaron Rodgers earlier this week. Basically saying, you’re either in or you’re out on being a Steeler.
Cam Heyward Clarifies Blunt Message to Aaron Rodgers: ‘I Don’t Think I Really Called Him Out’
Pittsburgh Steelers All-Pro defensive tackle Cam Heyward put out a blunt message to Aaron Rodgers earlier this week. Basically saying,
Pittsburgh Steelers All-Pro defensive tackle Cam Heyward put out a blunt message to Aaron Rodgers earlier this week. Basically saying, you’re either in or you’re out on being a Steeler.
You can think whatever you want to think but if you are of the opinion that a guy who can't get more then $3m on the open market is as good as Rodgers or a viable starting QB to enter a season with we don't have anymore to go in this conversation.
And if you think doing what's best for 2025 is not the key decision here then again we got nothing else to discuss.
Chaka
Footballguy
IMO Rodgers's best move is not to sign and wait (hope/pray) for an injury to a serious contender.
In Rodgers's absolutely perfect world Mahomes would go down in week 13/14, after they have locked in a playoff berth. Andy Reid would have him on speed dial at that point.
At this point in the off-season I can see maybe, Cincinnati, Denver, Green Bay, Minnesota, the Rams, Detroit and maybe, possibly Dallas being Rodgers's voodoo doll targets.
IMO Pittsburgh doesn't rate with Rodgers. I think he views them as an option of last resort. I kinda think Pittsburgh, at this point, is starting to feel the same.
Now watch, he's going to sign with the Steelers tomorrow.
In Rodgers's absolutely perfect world Mahomes would go down in week 13/14, after they have locked in a playoff berth. Andy Reid would have him on speed dial at that point.
At this point in the off-season I can see maybe, Cincinnati, Denver, Green Bay, Minnesota, the Rams, Detroit and maybe, possibly Dallas being Rodgers's voodoo doll targets.
IMO Pittsburgh doesn't rate with Rodgers. I think he views them as an option of last resort. I kinda think Pittsburgh, at this point, is starting to feel the same.
Now watch, he's going to sign with the Steelers tomorrow.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Are you saying the great Gardner Minshew wouldn’t get the job done in Mahomes absence?
I’m shocked and appalled at the disrespect.
Chaka
Footballguy
For me and, apparently to highly respected and accomplished guys like Slay & Heyward, it's all about commitment. From the outside I simply don't see Rodgers having it. I think he's really focusing on his post football career but, he may be lying to himself about it.
If he had signed with the Steelers before the off season program began I would absolutely have a different opinion. But, at this point I think he is fooling himself into believing he can just flip a switch and become Aaron Rodgers circa 2021. That's ancient history in scope of NFL careers.
For a team like the Steelers, IMO, he's not worth the headache, even after they structured their entire off-season around him. For a team locked into the playoffs who suffers an injury at QB he should be on speed dial.
Chaka
Footballguy
You realize I'm a Raiders fan, right?Are you saying the great Gardner Minshew wouldn’t get the job done in Mahomes absence?
I’m shocked and appalled at the disrespect.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He was likely referring to what I’d posted in the other, other Aaron Rodgers topic.
I provided attribution throughout.
Post in thread 'QB Aaron Rodgers, Free Agent'
https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/qb-aaron-rodgers-free-agent.721050/post-25350264
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
On the notion the Steelers have no shot to be contenders.
Even with Rudolph as the current starter they are hovering in Vegas lines as around the 16th best odds to win the SB. We’ll see where those odds move after Rodgers signs but I’d expect to be able to point to several SB winning teams in last 20 years with worse odds.
Their playoff collapses are problematic for sure but on paper, assuming QB is not an issue, it’s actually a pretty strong complete roster without major holes. A lot has to go right, like health and the young OL playing to its draft capital, but o believe the people running the Steelers feel strongly that signing Rodgers does give them a chance to be legit contenders and I think he feels the same way.
None of what I’m saying should be twisted to imply I’m calling the Steelers one of the favorites. I just find the notion if Rodgers can play solid football they have not shot as misguided.
I can’t locate their comments to back this up but a lot of people I listen to who worked in the league echo these thoughts.
Even with Rudolph as the current starter they are hovering in Vegas lines as around the 16th best odds to win the SB. We’ll see where those odds move after Rodgers signs but I’d expect to be able to point to several SB winning teams in last 20 years with worse odds.
Their playoff collapses are problematic for sure but on paper, assuming QB is not an issue, it’s actually a pretty strong complete roster without major holes. A lot has to go right, like health and the young OL playing to its draft capital, but o believe the people running the Steelers feel strongly that signing Rodgers does give them a chance to be legit contenders and I think he feels the same way.
None of what I’m saying should be twisted to imply I’m calling the Steelers one of the favorites. I just find the notion if Rodgers can play solid football they have not shot as misguided.
I can’t locate their comments to back this up but a lot of people I listen to who worked in the league echo these thoughts.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s pretty remarkable.
One note about Vegas lines - from what I’ve come to understand, sometimes they’re not so much a statement about how good or bad they believe a team will be, but more an an attempt at enticement to get people to bet something one way or another.
Or hey, maybe they think the Steelers with Rudolph has a similar chance as Dilfer with the Ravens. Only problem I have there is IMO this Steelers team (with or without ARod) isn’t as good as that Ravens team on either side of the ball. Closer on defense, but still not at that level. And it’s TBD if they can run like that 2000 Ravens team with a rookie RB & Warren.
I’m thinking it’s likely the former.
I am curious as to what happens to that line if/when ARod signs.
Their SB odds factor in some chance Rodgers is their qb. It might creep up a little but certainly some money is in there already.
Pretty much,as I've understood it they want people to bet 50/50.
But for example Dallas is one of the most bet on teams going and some oddsmakers put their odds worse then the Steelers.
I'm not sure I'm ready to say the Ravens are clearly better on defense but regardless even if what you say is true these teams played each other in week 16 with first place in the division on the line so hard for me to see them being as wildly off as most especially when I think a big part of the Steelers collapse during this time last year as the most brutal second half schedule I've ever seen a team on.
Again to be clear I think the Ravens are better, I don't think insurmountably so.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sorry, I was referrring to the Dilfer-led 2000 Super Bowl winning ravens.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s my suspicion as well. I don’t think anyone betting right now is assuming it’ll be Rudolph.
That said, I’m not sure why anyone would be betting on the Steelers to win the SB, but that’s another topic for another day.
Chaka
Footballguy
They were very public comments. I read them both on PFT.
Heyward's comments were early in the off-season and, he tried to walk them back a bit. They were essentially saying you either want to be a Steeler or you don't. Slay's were much more recent and we're all about how now is the time when championship teams are made.
I'm pretty sure you saw both if not... you do realize this is your fantasy football website, not your barbecue website, right?
Chaka
Footballguy
Same number of Lombardi's as the Niners this millennium.
Just saying.
Ok the following is pure AI. Being a Steeler fan I don't know if I should be laughing or crying here.
Oh, absolutely Aaron Rodgers has mastered the fine art of strategic relaxation. Why rush into signing with a team when he can spend the offseason doing what truly matters deep-diving into conspiracy theories on the Joe Rogan podcast and perfecting his vacation tan?
Let’s be real: Rodgers isn’t just a quarterback; he’s a philosopher, a wellness guru, and possibly a part-time UFO researcher. While other players are grinding through OTAs, he’s out there debating the mysteries of the universe, sipping on some organic ayahuasca tea, and contemplating the true meaning of existence which, let’s be honest, is probably just throwing a football really well.
And when the season is just around the corner? That’s when he’ll grace the NFL with his presence. No need for all that pesky offseason conditioning he’s been training in the hyperbaric chamber of enlightenment. He’ll sign just in time to remind everyone that he’s still got it, then proceed to throw laser-precise touchdowns while casually dropping references to quantum physics in post-game interviews.
So yes, Rodgers deserves his sabbatical. He’s earned the right to live his best life, whether that means hiking Machu Picchu, debating nanobots with Rogan, or manifesting his next MVP season through sheer willpower. And when he finally signs? The league will act surprised like they didn’t know this was his annual tradition.
Because Aaron Rodgers doesn’t follow the rules. He transcends them.
Oh, absolutely Aaron Rodgers has mastered the fine art of strategic relaxation. Why rush into signing with a team when he can spend the offseason doing what truly matters deep-diving into conspiracy theories on the Joe Rogan podcast and perfecting his vacation tan?
Let’s be real: Rodgers isn’t just a quarterback; he’s a philosopher, a wellness guru, and possibly a part-time UFO researcher. While other players are grinding through OTAs, he’s out there debating the mysteries of the universe, sipping on some organic ayahuasca tea, and contemplating the true meaning of existence which, let’s be honest, is probably just throwing a football really well.
And when the season is just around the corner? That’s when he’ll grace the NFL with his presence. No need for all that pesky offseason conditioning he’s been training in the hyperbaric chamber of enlightenment. He’ll sign just in time to remind everyone that he’s still got it, then proceed to throw laser-precise touchdowns while casually dropping references to quantum physics in post-game interviews.
So yes, Rodgers deserves his sabbatical. He’s earned the right to live his best life, whether that means hiking Machu Picchu, debating nanobots with Rogan, or manifesting his next MVP season through sheer willpower. And when he finally signs? The league will act surprised like they didn’t know this was his annual tradition.
Because Aaron Rodgers doesn’t follow the rules. He transcends them.
Oh ok, that Ravens D was for sure better but not sure the offense was but it all worked. Complimentary football.
Fwiw I looked up preseason SB odds that year and the Ravens were tied for third.
The Steelers right now on some sites have the same odds as the 2017 SB winning Eagles which is probably the last time a team with this poor odds won the whole thing. Also same odds as 2020 SB losing SF.
Again I’m not sitting here trying to make a case for them as some kind of favorites. Long shots for sure. Just not as dismissive as almost everyone else it’s a foregone conclusion if they catch some breaks they can’t contend.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Legit lol
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
#toosoon
