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Trade Papelbon Now (1 Viewer)
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
llo
Finless
Footballguy
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
That's over-analyzing and you know it.
Finless
Footballguy
Fantasy teamsNot sure if you've paid attention over the years but my advice is Legendary.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Legendary huh?If thats what you want to call it.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Wrigley
Footballguy
Oh, I see what you mean.but he said "over the years" This tread goes all the way back to April 27th
Finless
Footballguy
Legendary
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
My MLB front office source suggests that Pappelbon has completely lost his top-end fastball, and he might just be done. He doesn't think the shoulder is right. JP could be sent down to Pawtucket "to work on things" by next week.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
He has resorted to throwing almost fastballs exclusively. He needs to go back to mixing in a splitter or developing another pitch.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Most closers breakdown around this time. Thats what makes Mariano's & Hoffman's runs so impressive.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I love how Sox fans hate Joba's fist pump (I can see how they hate it) but completely ignore Papelbum's antics.
the moops
Footballguy
This Red Sox fan thinks Papelbon is one of the biggest tools in all of sports.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Wasn't Papelbon leaking oil a bit towards the end of last year?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Yes...the last half of last season.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Well, his numbers after the all star break were:1.86 ERA0.90 WHIP.189 BAA15 saves in 16 attempts35 Ks and 6 BBs in 29 IP1 HR allowedThat sure looks terrible to me.
He had one bad outing in the playoffs and allowed a HR yesterday. So now there is a conspiracy theory suggesting he's got issues.As I already mentioned, he's been relying on his fastball too much. But that's about it.
Sleeping King
Footballguy
Why he refuses to use his splitter more baffles me. I guess it's his cockiness in believing he can just blow the fastball by you. When he uses his splitter effectively he is not hittable.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
And what writing would that be? That Paps blows one out of 10 save opportunities? His career save percentage is 89.4%.Wanna guess what Mo Rivera's is? 89.4%. As long as Paps is on the Sox he'll be the closer.
Sleeping King
Footballguy
Exactly. The vultures always come out when Paps blows one but curl up in their hole when he saves the next 12. I'm a huge fan of Bard for the future but I personally don't think he is even close to being ready to handle the closer role on a full time basis.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Let us know if Papp's career save percentage is still 89.4% IN HIS 16TH SEASON....
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Paps overall save percentage (regular and post season):
159 saves, 20 blown saves (88.8%)
11 saves, 2 blown saves vs NYY (84.6%)
Rivera overall save percentage (regular and post season):
567 saves, 67 blown saves (89.4%)
55 saves, 14 blown saves vs BOS (79.7%)
512 saves, 53 blown saves vs the rest of MLB (90.6%)
I'm not saying Paps = Rivera, only that people complaining about Paps need to settle down.
159 saves, 20 blown saves (88.8%)
11 saves, 2 blown saves vs NYY (84.6%)
Rivera overall save percentage (regular and post season):
567 saves, 67 blown saves (89.4%)
55 saves, 14 blown saves vs BOS (79.7%)
512 saves, 53 blown saves vs the rest of MLB (90.6%)
I'm not saying Paps = Rivera, only that people complaining about Paps need to settle down.
shadyridr
Footballguy
People arent complaining about his whole career numbnuts. Last year he wasnt as good so alot of people think hes starting to decline.
Vladislav Tretiak
Footballguy
Wow...I don't know where to begin.Paps has been a big league closer for how long? And Mo has been for how long?The writing should be...you know what? Just forget about any writing. It's just much easier to call you dumb.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
THE POINT was that Paps has been saving games at the same clip as Rivera, who has been thought to be the best closer in the history of the game. And some folks want to ditch Paps for being less effective. The point WAS NOT to say Paps was better than Rivera.
the moops
Footballguy
Paplebon of 2007 was extraordinarily phenomenal. He was Mariano Rivera from 2005 phenomenal. Perhaps even better.His 2008 and 2009, and 2006 were very good, and very similar. Besides a pronounced walk rate in 2009, he was still a very very good pitcher. If his walk rate comes down just a tad, you are still looking at a top 2 or 3 closer in the game.
Finless
Footballguy
He's being shipped. Three way trade involving SD another team. A-Gon ends up in Boston.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
That rumor's been around for almost 6 months.
Finless
Footballguy
Link to 3 way trade rumor?
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Guest
Guest
That would be totally cold blooded by Theo, but from a team makeup perspective, it makes a lot of sense.And if it involved Papelbon as a piece from the Red Sox, it would have to be a three way trade. The Padres are already shopping around their closer because they don't want to pay him anything. There's no reason that they'd want to take on Papelbon rather than just give the job to Adams or Gregerson.All in all, though, I don't think the Sox do it. Papelbon still has enough of a resume to say that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. And the Red Sox FO would be perceived by potential FAs as only valuing you for what have you done for me lately. They traded Nomar, but he was basically asking for it. And they didn't reup on Damon or Pedro, but they did lay out offers. The only move I think this would be compared to would be the trading of Arroyo right after he inked a new deal under market. And as a Red Sox fan, that left a bitter taste in my mouth. If they made that their MO, I'd be a lot less enthusiastic about the franchise. You have to trade away production for loyalty at some point.
Closer is the last place San Diego would dedicate payroll too.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I wasnt calling him bad. Last year's final # were very good. But it was his worst year of his career and that is why some people think he is declining. Thats all Im saying.
the moops
Footballguy
I understand where you are going, and dont mean to harp on this point.But. Last year, he converted 93% of his save opportunities. Best of his career. He had his second best SO/9 numbers, second best number of saves, second best ERA.He walked a #### ton of guys, no doubt. This drove his WHIP up, but his last year was probably better than both his 2008 and 2006 years.He is still a major tool though.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
It was on the Boston Globe's Hot Stove player news section when there was a lot of talk about Gonzalez coming to town. It's long gone from their site as the Globe has gone to their regular season coverage.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I get what you're saying, but I would think (or at least hope) typically that sort of loyalty would be more towards a player that's more of the face of the franchise type, a high quality character the rest of the organization (and outsiders) look up to and associate the team with. Papelbon's not that guy. Guys like Jeter, Chipper, and to a lesser degree Helton are.If there's a market for Pap like I think there is the Sox would be better off without him.
