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Trading a guy after he already played in your lineup (1 Viewer)

shadyridr

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How does your league handle this? Im pretty sure my site (MFL) cant handle this. I just accepted a trade (Ivory for DT & Sea defense) and when I went to put Ivory in my lineup the site said I had to submit a defense. But I already had Sea locked in. It wasnt only Ivory. I couldnt change my lineup at all (like if I changed two other guys not even in the trade). It just wasnt able to do the lineup change. So I had to undo the whole trade which sucks.

 
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This is all very confusing.
This was my lineup this AM...

RB- Duke

Def- Seattle

I accepted a trade...

His Ivory for my DT & Seattle Def

I went to set my lineup by swapping out Duke for Ivory. The site wouldnt accept my new lineup because it said I had to select a defense. I had no defense on my team. I even picked up a fake defense and tried to select them but the site said I already started Sea def and could not bench them. The site did not accept my new lineup.

 
Don't allow this in my leagues (dynasty, don't know if that makes a difference). You can "use" a player once per week. That means you can trade him or you can get his points, in your lineup or on your bench. You don't get to start a player AND profit off his value in trade in the same week, it's double-dipping.

We do allow these trades to be negotiated and made official via the message board before the system can process them--basically locks in the deal regardless of injuries, etc. but no players/picks get swapped until after the games happen.

 
I've heard of trading guys on your bench that already played but not guys that were in your lineup.

 
Once you've started a player whose game has begun, that player is yours for the week. If you trade them after their game has commenced, you're essentially trading their points to your trade partner. May be a loophole setting on your site, but your league should not allow this.

 
Once you've started a player whose game has begun, that player is yours for the week. If you trade them after their game has commenced, you're essentially trading their points to your trade partner. May be a loophole setting on your site, but your league should not allow this.
I any player in the transaction already started his game before the trade is accepted, the entire transaction should get processed in the subsequent week.

 
Just came up in my league. Someone wanted to do a trade using Vernon Davis, who played on Thursday. Since players lock at the start of their game the trade wouldn't go through.

 
thanks guys. to avoid this next year I will see if MFL has a setting not to allow trades of players already in starting lineups.

 
From their help center:

Why can't I change my lineup if I drop or trade away my Thursday player?

Answer: If you started a player in your Thursday game and then trade or drop the player after his game you will not be able to re-submit your lineup.

If you submitted the player as a starter and have now dropped them you will still receive the points for that week, but cannot make lineup changes with the newly acquired players as that would be allowing you to submit your lineup from a Roster + X (the newly acquired players).

If you received a player in a Trade that played on Thursday, after the game, you cannot start this player as the deadline has passed.
If your league wants to allow this kind of thing, your commish can submit the lineup for you and it shouldn't stop him. But generally this would be what they say in the FAQ, abuse of the roster limit by starting multiple players out of 1 roster spot. I wouldn't do it if I was commish and the rules didn't specifically say it was allowed.

 
thanks guys. to avoid this next year I will see if MFL has a setting not to allow trades of players already in starting lineups.
It does, under For Commissioners -> Trade Setup. The setting is to not allow trades of players whose game has started. So you could still trade a Sunday Night for Monday Night player right now.

Prevent Owners From Accepting Trades Between Kickoff of that player's game and the end of the last game of the week?
 
Typically a player is locked for the week after his game starts, no transactions. I think this is the best way to prevent a lot of headaches.

 
Typically a player is locked for the week after his game starts, no transactions. I think this is the best way to prevent a lot of headaches.
Yep. Once a guy is locked, bench or starter, he should be stuck to your roster until the next week. No trade, no drop for FA. Circumventing the roster limit among other things.

 
Typically a player is locked for the week after his game starts, no transactions. I think this is the best way to prevent a lot of headaches.
Yep. Once a guy is locked, bench or starter, he should be stuck to your roster until the next week. No trade, no drop for FA. Circumventing the roster limit among other things.
:goodposting: I always thought this was a form of roster sharing. The team trading the Seahawks now gets another potential player to start while also getting the benefits of the Seahawks points.

 
From their help center:

Why can't I change my lineup if I drop or trade away my Thursday player?

Answer: If you started a player in your Thursday game and then trade or drop the player after his game you will not be able to re-submit your lineup.If you submitted the player as a starter and have now dropped them you will still receive the points for that week, but cannot make lineup changes with the newly acquired players as that would be allowing you to submit your lineup from a Roster + X (the newly acquired players).

If you received a player in a Trade that played on Thursday, after the game, you cannot start this player as the deadline has passed.
If your league wants to allow this kind of thing, your commish can submit the lineup for you and it shouldn't stop him. But generally this would be what they say in the FAQ, abuse of the roster limit by starting multiple players out of 1 roster spot. I wouldn't do it if I was commish and the rules didn't specifically say it was allowed.
This. A commish can always go in and manually "fix" a lineup.

It's not an issue that I have a huge concern over unless it's intentionally done to rig a game late in the season.

It would work like this:

It's Friday and Team A trades away Tom Brady, who played the night before and was in A's lineup, to B for Devonta Freeman and Antonio Brown, who play on Sunday and then get inserted into A's lineup upon arrival.

So Team A could use Brady, Freeman and Brown all in that same week's lineup. Of course, that means Team B could use none of them that week.

So Team A's opponent faces a bit of a juggernaut that week but all weeks thereafter he has a Brady-less lineup. But Team B's opponent kinda gets a pansy that week because B can't use Brady, Freeman or Brown. But B's opponents for each week thereafter face a Brady led Team B.

So is the impact on the league from that one week really that much in terms of throwing off the competitive balance of the league? Isn't it more likely that the net shift of those players from team to team over the remainder of the season will have a greater impact in terms of shifting around fantasy points? Now imagine that Brady gets hurt 2 weeks later and is done for the season. Team B is now without Brady, Brown and Freeman for the whole of the remainder, which definitely creates a competitive shift based on the what B's opponents have to face over the remainder of the season.

I think it's unlikely that these same two teams could cooperate and benefit from the NFL Thursday night schedule so as to actually collude throughout the season.

Would it bother me to see them collude to influence even one game? Yes. So if this deal happens late in the season and it knocks someone out of the playoffs or somesuch I would look at it closely. But this early in the season, it may just be that Team B is willing to go without using any of the players for one week because he is convinced that having Brady for the rest of the season is what he needs to better his team and make a championship run.

So at this point in the season it doesn't really ruffle my feathers absent some other indication of collusion or improper gamesmanship.

 
Typically a player is locked for the week after his game starts, no transactions. I think this is the best way to prevent a lot of headaches.
Yep. Once a guy is locked, bench or starter, he should be stuck to your roster until the next week. No trade, no drop for FA. Circumventing the roster limit among other things.
:goodposting: I always thought this was a form of roster sharing. The team trading the Seahawks now gets another potential player to start while also getting the benefits of the Seahawks points.
I tend to think of roster sharing as being where two owners share the same pool of players over the course of several weeks to rig game outcomes.

If this is a stand alone transaction (as opposed to one of a string of transactions), I don't see a big deal. It may be nothing more than B really wanting the Seahawks and being willing to pay a bit more (going without Ivory and the Seahawks for one week) to get the benefit of the bargain.

 

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