Trading a Thursday starter on Saturday for a Sunday starter (1 Viewer)

[pq9090]

We ran into a problem in our dynasty league this week after a trade that occurred involving a player who had already played on Thursday. Team A gave up Vincent Jackson, Mendenhall, and Sanders. Team B gave up Welker and Ingram. This happened last night.

The league is on MFL and the problem arose when team A tried to adjust his lineup after getting Welker. He wanted to plug Welker in for his WR3, Sidney Rice. The software didn't let him do it because the lineup was not valid. He could not submit a new lineup where VJax was not on the team (VJax does not appear anywhere on the submit lineup page for team A since he is now on team B).

This problem has sparked a debate whether a team should be able to get double value out of a player in a single week. In this case, team A gets the value of starting VJax along with the value of trading VJax. On the other side of the argument we have that team B was aware that we was losing value and he was even compensated for giving up Welker before the start of his game by adding Sanders to the trade.

How do you guys think this should be resolved?

Option 1: Both teams can start whoever they want (we would have to manually override the software).

Option 2: Welker/Ingram are not allowed to start this week for team A because they were acquired through a trade of a player that had already played. Mendenhall can play.

Option 3: Welker and Ingram still don't play and neither do Mendenhall or Sanders

Thanks for the input

 

[Dr. Awesome]

For this weekend's games I would consider all players involved to still be on the original rosters. Team B still has Welker. Team A still has V-Jax. If the owners throw a fit I'd offer to undo the trade as commissioner.

 

[Righetti]

no transactions allowed after games have NFL started for the week

 

[PewterFan]

Option 1 is the only feasible option IMO. There's nothing bush league about this.

 

[FUBAR]

no transactions allowed after games have NFL started for the week

At least no transactions involving players who have already played.

 

[mashers]

Trade shouldn't be processed until after this week's games. If a player cannot be moved in or out of a lineup after he has played then he shouldn't be available to be traded either.

 

[theplayer11]

software should prevent this..thought MFL was great? Cbs wouldn't allow this

 

[Jersey35]

You wouldn't allow trades of players in starting rosters in the midst of Sunday games would you?

If not, then Thursday should be considered an extension of Sunday games and the trade should be reversed until the weekend is over.

If you would, then it seems that your only choice is to allow them to start whomever they wish.

Personally, I wouldn't allow this: there's potential for abuse there in the future. I would just give them the option to rescind the trade or have it take effect after all players' games involved in the trade are finished. I would then immediately establish a rule governing this. It does not have to be what you allowed these owners to do, since there was no rule when they enacted the trade. But all future transactions should be covered by the new rule.

These types of situations are exactly why fantasy leagues need a commissioner.

 

[Birdie048]

We resolved this problem by having a Trade Deadline of Kickoff Week 10. This came up a few years ago....

As for your situation, I would restrict players involved in games from being traded. The players are locked on their starting line up until after the Monday Game.

 

[drfeelgood]

The players in my league are locked if they have already played.

 

[pq9090]

Given that there is no rule in place for this, do you guys still think it's ok block this trade until after Monday?

One alternative that was proposed was to allow the teams to restructure the deal into two separate trades so that one part would be done now and one part would be postponed until Monday.

1. Mendenhall for Welker

2. VJax and Sanders for Ingram

Trade 2 would be held until monday so that Sanders, Ingram, and obviously VJax would not be able to start for their new teams. Welker and Mendenhall would however be able to start. This is essentially just a way to bypass the problem since neither team would be starting Ingram or Sanders anyway if the trade was simply put through.

 

[ldizzle]

Reverse the trade for this week. Manually add the players traded after mondays game. Regardless of who does what put it through even if a player is injured trade stands

 

[Captain Hook]

Trading a Thursday starter on Saturday for a Sunday starter Should it be allowed?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

 

[Jersey35]

Given that there is no rule in place for this, do you guys still think it's ok block this trade until after Monday?

One alternative that was proposed was to allow the teams to restructure the deal into two separate trades so that one part would be done now and one part would be postponed until Monday.

1. Mendenhall for Welker

2. VJax and Sanders for Ingram

Trade 2 would be held until monday so that Sanders, Ingram, and obviously VJax would not be able to start for their new teams. Welker and Mendenhall would however be able to start. This is essentially just a way to bypass the problem since neither team would be starting Ingram or Sanders anyway if the trade was simply put through.

For starters: yes. It's ok. This is why leagues have commissioners: to make difficult, impartial decisions when the league rules are inadequate for handling a given situation.Whether or not you disallow the trade completely, or parcel it into parts, is entirely up to your discretion and depends upon what you are using as the basis for your ruling. Here are a few possiblities:

1) Trades are not allowed during weekly games, this includes the time between the start of the first game of the week and the end of the last game of the week.

2) Trades are allowed at any time, so long as players involved in said trade aren't currently in an active weekly starting lineup.

Ultimately, YOU'RE the commissioner. There being no rule is exactly why you must make a decision here. Too many people out there think that "no rule = allowed". That's just not true. The job of the commissioner is to make a solid, fair decision when the rules aren't adequate. Seems obvious to me that you don't want players being traded that are in active lineups, so make the call and let the owners decide how they want to get their trade legal, whether they parcel it, or just postpone the whole thing.

 

[Underachievers]

Option 1 is the only feasible option IMO. There's nothing bush league about this.

Agreed! Nothing wrong with the timing of this trade and the managers can start whomever they choose.

 

[Jersey35]

Option 1 is the only feasible option IMO. There's nothing bush league about this.

Agreed! Nothing wrong with the timing of this trade and the managers can start whomever they choose.

So when scores are tallied at the end of the week, the guy who started Jackson on Thursday gets a big zero there, right? I mean, since he's not on his team and all when you add up the scores?You make it sound obvious that this transaction is totally fine. It's not obvious, and quite possibly a bad idea.

 

[Underachievers]

Option 1 is the only feasible option IMO. There's nothing bush league about this.

Agreed! Nothing wrong with the timing of this trade and the managers can start whomever they choose.

So when scores are tallied at the end of the week, the guy who started Jackson on Thursday gets a big zero there, right? I mean, since he's not on his team and all when you add up the scores?You make it sound obvious that this transaction is totally fine. It's not obvious, and quite possibly a bad idea.

SO you are assuming that the commish is an idiot and would not count Jackson's score on his original team? The transaction is legit and people are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this one.