Travis Kelce Shoves Coach - How Bad? (1 Viewer)

[Foosball God]

Still not newsworthy.

Depends who it is saying it.

 

[matuski]

People used to use the "n" word for decades and it wasn't newsworthy either.  Times change, attitudes shift, people realize that some of the stuff that used to happen shouldn't have happened.  There may be too much of a focus on the drama aspect of sports but imo this isn't one of those cases.

This is what I am talking about.

Somehow you have bought in that any of this is something MORE SERIOUS than two guys on the sideline of a football game got in an argument and made up moments later.  Or MORE SERIOUS than a guy we don't know tweeting about China.

Lets bring systemic racism and broad social causes into it, because look at twitter and ESPN go.. and now we can turn an everyday sideline blip or tweet into a debate about racism and politics and respect and my feelings and your feelings!

 

[Da Guru]

It really is one reason I'm not into the NFL that much anymore.   Manufactured drama, talking head that this guy tweeted about this guy and this guy said this about this player and this player might hold out.   I just dont give a #### about any of that

With the 24-7 news cycles, all the hours ESPN needs to fill, NFL-MLB networks, NBA shows, local sports radio pro sports has basically turned into a long running soap opera.  Twitter has made it even worse.  Stories need to be manufactured to keep the cycle going.  Little disagreements that nobody even knew about before are now headline stories for the day.  A golfer and their caddie disagree over a club selection and it is a lead story.

 

[Foosball God]

This is what I am talking about.

Somehow you have bought in that any of this is something MORE SERIOUS than two guys on the sideline of a football game got in an argument and made up moments later.  Or MORE SERIOUS than a guy we don't know tweeting about China.

Lets bring systemic racism and broad social causes into it, because look at twitter and ESPN go.. and now we can turn an everyday sideline blip or tweet into a debate about racism and politics and chain of command and respect and my feelings and your feelings!

  I'm just using that as an example of things that may not have been newsworthy in the past that would be now.  High profile people getting into physical altercations is more newsworthy now.  As for the China thing that is having a major revenue impact on the NBA, why wouldn't that be news? 

 

[Da Guru]

Perfect timing as I walk past my TV and notice guys talking about some NBA guy I don't know tweeting something about Hong Kong and now China is mad, but should we be mad because they are mad, what about our rights, but Harden just said he loves China,  but what about what this guy said about the tweet........................

It just makes me laugh now.

Get off my lawn and give me back my highlights.

I think Harden meant he likes General Taos chicken.

 

[matuski]

  I'm just using that as an example of things that may not have been newsworthy in the past that would be now.  High profile people getting into physical altercations is more newsworthy now.  As for the China thing that is having a major revenue impact on the NBA, why wouldn't that be news? 

Like I said - the masses, and you apparently - find this stuff interesting.

Which is why I'm watching/listening to a TV showing people debate a tweet a guy that nobody knew before today made about Hong Kong.  

To each his own I guess.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Depends who it is saying it.

Nope.  Don't care who's saying it.  Not newsworthy.  No more newsworthy than someone calling someone gay.  Or someone calling someone a b*tch.  Or someone calling someone a fat*ss.  These all can be hurtful things to say but none are newsworthy.

 

[Foosball God]

Nope.  Don't care who's saying it.  Not newsworthy.  No more newsworthy than someone calling someone gay.  Or someone calling someone a b*tch.  Or someone calling someone a fat*ss.  These all can be hurtful things to say but none are newsworthy.

Interesting.  I would want to know if an elected official said it, that has a major impact in my evaluation of not only their judgment but their attitude towards minorities.

 

[belljr]

People used to use the "n" word for decades and it wasn't newsworthy either.  Times change, attitudes shift, people realize that some of the stuff that used to happen shouldn't have happened.  There may be too much of a focus on the drama aspect of sports but imo this isn't one of those cases.

SHUT UP NERD

 

[TheIronSheik]

Interesting.  I would want to know if an elected official said it, that has a major impact in my evaluation of not only their judgment but their attitude towards minorities.

They've all said hurtful things at some point in their life.  Every single person.  Whether in public or private.  

 

[Foosball God]

Like I said - the masses, and you apparently - find this stuff interesting.

Which is why I'm watching/listening to a TV showing people debate a tweet a guy that nobody knew before today made about Hong Kong.  

To each his own I guess.

I'll admit the Kelce thing is more of an interesting footnote thing.  I don't really care that much and the two likely worked it out.  The China thing is much more interesting to me.  China is trying to use it's economic might to influence the narrative on Hong Kong.  That seems like very relevant news.

 

[matuski]

Interesting.  I would want to know if an elected official said it, that has a major impact in my evaluation of not only their judgment but their attitude towards minorities.

Name an elected official that hasn't said something offensive in their lives.  Or even a lot of offensive things.

Name anyone on earth for that matter.

 

[Foosball God]

They've all said hurtful things at some point in their life.  Every single person.  Whether in public or private.  

Sure, people are a-holes, but as an elected official are you stupid enough to be an ##### in public?  That shows poor judgement, poor decision making, lack of control.  Things I don't want in an elected official.

 

[belljr]

With the 24-7 news cycles, all the hours ESPN needs to fill, NFL-MLB networks, NBA shows, local sports radio pro sports has basically turned into a long running soap opera.  Twitter has made it even worse.  Stories need to be manufactured to keep the cycle going.  Little disagreements that nobody even knew about before are now headline stories for the day.  A golfer and their caddie disagree over a club selection and it is a lead story.

ANd I can't avoid it without really trying.   I dont go out of my way to find the stuff but its every where.   I log into "pick sports site" and there are stories.  I dont watch pre-game anymore and guess what happens. The game starts and sometime during the game they will go into the drama about "Player A" during a break or after they make a play.   It just gets exhausting imo

 

[Foosball God]

SHUT UP NERD

You know what else is a nerd?  YOUR FACE!!

 

[matuski]

I'll admit the Kelce thing is more of an interesting footnote thing.  I don't really care that much and the two likely worked it out.  The China thing is much more interesting to me.  China is trying to use it's economic might to influence the narrative on Hong Kong.  That seems like very relevant news.

No.  That isn't what I am talking about.

I am not watching coverage of the Hong Kong protests.

I am watching a sports show debate a tweet some Rockets guy made about Hong Kong.  NOT debating or covering the riots or broader issue of China, instead debating and covering A TWEET FROM SOME NOBODY about the Hong Kong riots.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Sure, people are a-holes, but as an elected official are you stupid enough to be an ##### in public?  That shows poor judgement, poor decision making, lack of control.  Things I don't want in an elected official.

So you're good with people saying bad things, just don't get caught saying it? Seems like an odd way to choose who you want in office.

 

[Foosball God]

So you're good with people saying bad things, just don't get caught saying it? Seems like an odd way to choose who you want in office.

Way to cherry pick.  Like you said, everyone has said hurtful things before, no one is perfect.  The inability to know your surroundings, lack of judgement, poor decision making, lack of control, etc. are definitely things that go into who I would vote for, along with their views on policy and other things.  Apparently you don't care what anyone says or does?

 

[Foosball God]

No.  That isn't what I am talking about.

I am not watching coverage of the Hong Kong protests.

I am watching a sports show debate a tweet some Rockets guy made about Hong Kong.  NOT debating or covering the riots or broader issue of China, instead debating and covering A TWEET FROM SOME NOBODY about the Hong Kong riots.

Why would a sports show get into the riots themselves, they are focused on the sports angle of the story.  This wasn't a nobody it was the GM of an NBA team, their tweet is directly affecting NBA revenue, it caused the NBA commissioner to have to make a statement. 

I don't disagree with you in general about the over manufacturing of drama stories for the sake of filling time and getting clicks.  It just seems you picked a couple of not great examples in my opinion.  Like you said, to each their own.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Way to cherry pick.  Like you said, everyone has said hurtful things before, no one is perfect.  The inability to know your surroundings, lack of judgement, poor decision making, lack of control, etc. are definitely things that go into who I would vote for, along with their views on policy and other things.  Apparently you don't care what anyone says or does?

Easy there, GB.  I wasn't trying to cherry pick.  I was just trying to make my point.  And I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong.  All I'm saying is that I've accepted that everyone on this planet has said terrible things in their life.  Most of us have said it out of anger and don't mean it.  It's usually said because we know it will offend the other person and the whole point is to make them mad.  So when it comes to individual words, I don't think that's newsworthy.  Now, if the intent is racist or can lead to policies that discriminate, that's a whole different story.

If I heard that Bernie Sanders or Ted Cruz said the N-word, that wouldn't be news to me.  But if one of them said that word and then announced that they wanted to lock up black people that looked at white people for too long, then we've moved to something else.  But saying a word is not newsworthy.  For me, anyway.

 

[Da Guru]

ANd I can't avoid it without really trying.   I dont go out of my way to find the stuff but its every where.   I log into "pick sports site" and there are stories.  I dont watch pre-game anymore and guess what happens. The game starts and sometime during the game they will go into the drama about "Player A" during a break or after they make a play.   It just gets exhausting imo

Just looked at CBS, first side story is "Bosa-Sherman rip Mayfield"   

"Redskins target Tomlin as next HC" We are 5 games into the NFL year and Tomlin is under contract for 2 more seasons.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Perfect timing as I walk past my TV and notice guys talking about some NBA guy I don't know tweeting something about Hong Kong and now China is mad, but should we be mad because they are mad, what about our rights, but Harden just said he loves China,  but what about what this guy said about the tweet........................

It just makes me laugh now.

Get off my lawn and give me back my highlights.

That's an interesting point. 

I don't follow NBA much at all. For me, the China thing is by far the most interesting thing about the NBA right now. But I fully accept I'm far from the NBA fan audience. Maybe it's a broadening the audience thing? Interesting.

For NFL, I think the balance is just about right between "on the field" and off. It was out of whack with all the Antonio Brown drama. But now it seems to be about right. 

 

[The_Man]

I don't care but it seems of a piece with Kelce's roid rage-style behavior with TD spikes, first down gestures, etc. He and Brett Gardner are the two current athletes whose behavior most strongly suggests PEDs to me.

 

[rockaction]

I'm sort of with matuski on this one. Despite the pattern that Kelce has shown throughout his career, I think this an internal matter left to the parties and the coach. I wouldn't tolerate either entity touching the other physically, but that's up to player, coach, head coach, and team.

I can vividly remember getting my facemask grabbed and helmet slapped once by a huge coach, and it hurt quite a bit. He shouldn't have done that and I almost felt humorous when he got fired for running an inept program later on. 

 

[Ilov80s]

I'm sort of with matuski on this one. Despite the pattern that Kelce has shown throughout his career, I think this an internal matter left to the parties and the coach. I wouldn't tolerate either entity touching the other physically, but that's up to player, coach, head coach, and team.

I can vividly remember getting my facemask grabbed and helmet slapped once by a huge coach, and it hurt quite a bit. He shouldn't have done that and I almost felt humorous when he got fired for running an inept program later on. 

Yes, best left to the team/program. Do we know what the coach said? Do we know the history with them? It looked bad and maybe for Reid that’s enough to punish but it’s a team matter and I don’t have a real opinion.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Maybe the coach called Kelce the n-word.