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Trent Edwards named starter against Redskins (1 Viewer)

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As per Buffalobills.com text, Jauron has named Edwards the starter against the Redskins.

I'm glad they gave JP the chance, but they gave him the chance to prove he has not progressed, but regressed.

ANd yes, it's just my speculation JP's days are numbered, but, it seems pretty obvious.

 
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As per Buffalobills.com text, Jauron has named Edwards the starter against the Redskins.I'm glad they gave JP the chance, but they gave him the chance to prove he has not progressed, but regressed.ANd yes, it's just my speculation JP's days are numbered, but, it seems pretty obvious.
J.P. is a great guy and a real asset to the community, but he is just too indecisive as a QB. You are right...he has simply not gotten any better since day one, and now he seems to be forcing the play, making mistakes. Sadly, I am not sure Edwards will do much better with the mediocre line and marginal #2 and #3 recievers...not to mention virtually invisible TE play.Ugh...8 years of drought and counting...it's tough to be a Bills fan.
 
I'm fine with making the move now. JP got his shot and didn't really do anything with it. Time to see what the rook can do.

 
As per Buffalobills.com text, Jauron has named Edwards the starter against the Redskins.I'm glad they gave JP the chance, but they gave him the chance to prove he has not progressed, but regressed.ANd yes, it's just my speculation JP's days are numbered, but, it seems pretty obvious.
J.P. is a great guy and a real asset to the community, but he is just too indecisive as a QB. You are right...he has simply not gotten any better since day one, and now he seems to be forcing the play, making mistakes. Sadly, I am not sure Edwards will do much better with the mediocre line and marginal #2 and #3 recievers...not to mention virtually invisible TE play.Ugh...8 years of drought and counting...it's tough to be a Bills fan.
Very :goodposting: I like JP. He seems like a great guy that really bought into being a part of the Buffalo community. From all reports he is a hard worker and dedicated to the game. BUT, he was too indecisive, takes too many sacks, and turns the ball over too often. I wish him well whever he ends up.IMO, the offensive line is still terrible and until that is fixed, the "QB problem" isn't going away. Tom Brady would have a difficult time finding success behind that offensive line. Despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on Dockery and Walker, the o-line is as bad as it has been in years past.
 
It will be interesting to see what the Bills do with Losman during the offseason. It's hard to tell how much trade value he would have; the market for QBs seems to be very idiosyncratic depending on whether there's a GM who happens to fall in love with a guy or not. I wouldn't mind bringing him back next year; he's not a good starter but he'd make for an excellent backup.

 
IMO, the offensive line is still terrible and until that is fixed, the "QB problem" isn't going away. Tom Brady would have a difficult time finding success behind that offensive line. Despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on Dockery and Walker, the o-line is as bad as it has been in years past.
Our pass blocking is light-years better than last year. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.
 
Evans is a zero as long as Edwards is in there but I would like to see this guy get a chance. Loserman had his. I should be able to rip off the Evans owner before next year if he zeros out with Edwards. They will just need some time. Edwards had no problem feeding the ball to an even smaller WR in Parish a few weeks back.

 
I would have preferred to see Losman get one or two games more as a starter.

I don't know why.....because I just don't think he has the leadership skill to make it work. I guess it is because he is a likable sort...and I would really like to see something that helps to increase his trade value. At this point is isn't worth anything more than a mid to late 3rd rounder to a team that is willing to offer that much. He has a canon of an arm....he has twice the arm that Trent Edwards has, but in the few games Trent Edwards played I was really impressed with how smart he seemed to play. He needs to learn to avoid unecessary sacks, and take a look down field more, but as far as being NFL Starter material, I think he has "it".

I don't think we will ever know just how mentally damaged he is for having a different OC just about every year, and getting yanked in and out of the lineup like a yo-yo his second and third (and fourth) year in the league.

On the flip side, I think the best think for Trent Edwards and the Buffalo Bills in 2008 is for Edwards to play the rest of 2007. I don't think he is intimidated by the playbook or by the veterans in the huddle. He needs to get in there and get the game time experience.

My question to Bills fans is what are your thoughts on Fairchild? Stay? Go? Is he at fault?

 
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IMO, the offensive line is still terrible and until that is fixed, the "QB problem" isn't going away. Tom Brady would have a difficult time finding success behind that offensive line. Despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on Dockery and Walker, the o-line is as bad as it has been in years past.
Our pass blocking is light-years better than last year. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.
That's what I thought too.
 
IMO, the offensive line is still terrible and until that is fixed, the "QB problem" isn't going away. Tom Brady would have a difficult time finding success behind that offensive line. Despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on Dockery and Walker, the o-line is as bad as it has been in years past.
Our pass blocking is light-years better than last year. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.
agreed. protection has been there for the most part...other than Evans though, the team doesn't have guys who can get open consistently. run blocking has been a disappointment this year though.
 
IMO, the offensive line is still terrible and until that is fixed, the "QB problem" isn't going away. Tom Brady would have a difficult time finding success behind that offensive line. Despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on Dockery and Walker, the o-line is as bad as it has been in years past.
Our pass blocking is light-years better than last year. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.
agreed. protection has been there for the most part...other than Evans though, the team doesn't have guys who can get open consistently. run blocking has been a disappointment this year though.
I think we go after a solid WR in rounds 2 or 3. I would say round 1 but I think we go OL or CB in round 1.My hopes:Round 1 - OL - one of C, G, or T on the right side.Round 2 - CB - jump right in to the #2 spotRound 3 - WR - someone who is above 5'10" would be nice (complement Evans)We need to give Edwards more time and one more weapon. Reed is terrible (and apperently a wimp), Roscoe has a ton of talent but we need to figure out how to use him more. Other than Evans, Edwards doesn't have much.Next year we'll make the playoffs but lose the division for the last time to the Patriots.
 
for the draft, I'd say the biggest needs for the Bills are WR, DT, CB with TE next.

LT, LG, and RT are pretty much set after the contracts that were paid out there, but the team could use a quality 3rd OT to develop behind Walker. I generally like Fowler at C but adding some legit competition there wouldn't be a bad idea. I don't think we'll see the Bills draft any offensive linemen until day 2 though.

I assume Price is done in Buffalo, and neither Reed or Parrish are likely to become effective starters. Reed is too slow and Parrish is probably too small. Both would likely make a solid WR3 on a playoff team. Finding a bigger WR to complement Evans and provide a threat in the red zone would be a major need in the first 2 rounds, IMO. Also, Evans still isn't locked up long-term and given the way the team lost Clements and McGahee and Jonas Jennings and soon Losman, it's unclear whether they'll be willing to pay Evans to keep him around. So, next year will definitely be the time to add another WR who can hopefully become a quality starter by 2009.

Triplett, McCargo, and Williams have been pretty solid at DT and fit the system well enough but none are dominant players. Adding a dominant presence to the inside of the defensive line would improve the run defense and make all the pass rushers the Bills have at DE more effective...thus making things easier on the CBs.

ou don't need stud CBs to be effective in the Bills defense as long as the pass rush is working, but they could use an infusion of talent there.

at TE, Royal is decent and contributes as a blocker but nothing special as a receiver. Gaines has been a pleasant surprise but is not a long-term solution. Adding a receiving weapon at the TE spot would go a long way towards improving the offense and would help offset the lack of a true #2 WR.

 
for the draft, I'd say the biggest needs for the Bills are WR, DT, CB with TE next.
I would tend to add DE to this list. I know we tied up a lot of money at that position already, but we could still use an upgrade over Denney/Kelsay.
Schobel/Kelsay/Denney/Hargrove is a fine foursome. I haven't checked the contract status to know if any are likely to be gone next year, but I think those guys are sufficient. None of them have had a particularly great year for a variety of reasons, but I think they're all capable of being effective with some better play around them.
 
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What do the homers think about next year: if Edwards doesn't show much, will they be targeting free agency and/or the draft for their next QB?

 
What do the homers think about next year: if Edwards doesn't show much, will they be targeting free agency and/or the draft for their next QB?
:goodposting: Edwards will be the starter. The team loves him. If there are no good offers for Losman and assuming he doesn't try to force a trade or release, he could be brought back as the backup for the last year on his contract.If Losman is moved, I assume the team will try to sign a veteran mentor/backup.
 
IMO, the offensive line is still terrible and until that is fixed, the "QB problem" isn't going away. Tom Brady would have a difficult time finding success behind that offensive line. Despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on Dockery and Walker, the o-line is as bad as it has been in years past.
Our pass blocking is light-years better than last year. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.
Apparently everyone agrees with you. I'm still not convinced though. I think that Edwards made them look better for several games because he makes such quick decisions with the ball, but if the line has to give the QB 3+ seconds, it seems like there's always a defensive player getting free by that point. And they're still terrible run blockers. How you have a guy run like Lynch and still average less than 4 yards per carry is beyond me. They're the heaviest O-line in the league. You'd think they'd be able to run block better.As far as needs for next season:DT, WR, CB, RGI'll completely disagree with Rude on the DTs. I think the Buffalo DTs have been absolutely terrible. They're virtually non-existent in the run defense. Buffalo is getting absolutely destroyed against the run in every game. The linebackers are having to make almost all of the stops in the running game and that's usually happening 4 or 5 yards downfield. That might be somewhat ok if they were getting tons of pressure on the QB on pass plays, but they're not really doing that either.Maybe it's just the defense. The Cover-2 has been a complete disaster so far in Buffalo IMO. The main reason for the Cover-2 is supposed to be to minimize big plays. And yet the Bills are getting routinely gashed for huge chunks of yardage. The DTs are supposed to be able to shoot the gaps and get to the QB and they're definitely not doing that. I think the Bills need to move to a traditional 3-4. They need to get a big huge NT to swallow up the run. The Bills have will have lots of good LBs once they all get healthy. A 3-4 would be a great fit for them if they had a big run stuffing NT.
 
Put me down for WR when it comes to biggest need in next years draft.

Thinking about all the other needs after that makes my head spin.

 
Here is another question for the Bills faithful.

What draft pick trade value do you think JP Losman carries should he not see the field again the remainder of the season?

(God Bless Tom Donahoe!) :yes:

 
Evans is a zero as long as Edwards is in there but I would like to see this guy get a chance. Loserman had his. I should be able to rip off the Evans owner before next year if he zeros out with Edwards. They will just need some time. Edwards had no problem feeding the ball to an even smaller WR in Parish a few weeks back.
Actually, three of the four decent games Evans had this season were with Edwards as starter (weeks 4,5,7,8). The only good game he had with Losman was week 9. Stats week by week for Evans:Week # (QB-opponent), targets, receptions, yards, TDs#1 (Losman vs. Denver) 5-2-5-0#2 (Losman at Pittsburgh) 7-2-17-0#3 (Losman at New England) 7-1-7-0#4 (Edwards vs. Jets) 8-6-72-0#5 (Edwards vs. Dallas) 4-1-12-0#7 (Edwards vs. Baltimore) 7-5-98-0#8 (Edwards started, Losman finished at Jets) 7-5-138-1#9 (Losman vs. Cincinnati) 14-9-165-1#10 (Losman at Miami) 8-4-65-0#11 (Losman vs. New England) 8-4-40-0#12 (Losman at Jacksonville) 7-2-19While Edwards had the benefit of the two Jets games, Losman faced an equally inept pass defense in Jacksonville and did nothing. Evans might do better with Edwards but right now, even with the Deadskins beat-up secondary next on the schedule, the situation might just be too dicey to start Evans.
 
What draft pick trade value do you think JP Losman carries should he not see the field again the remainder of the season?
hopefully a late 2nd/early 3rd.Schaub warranted a 2nd from Houston and I'm not sure he had shown more than Losman in his limited playing time. It really depends on who else is available in free agency and via trade.
 
#3 (Losman at New England) 7-1-7-0#8 (Edwards started, Losman finished at Jets) 7-5-138-1
this is very misleading. Losman played one series in the Pats game before leaving with an injury.in the week 8 Jets game, 3 quarters of Edwards to Evans was good for 3/34/0. 1 quarter of Losman to Evans was good for 2/104/1.
 
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Here is another question for the Bills faithful.What draft pick trade value do you think JP Losman carries should he not see the field again the remainder of the season?(God Bless Tom Donahoe!) :deadhorse:
I would be happy with a 4th or 5th round rookie in return for Losman.And as far as our O-line goes, I can see some sort of argument as far as Walker is concerned. We do have alot invested in him. But I don't like what I see. I doubt Mouse can work his usual magic with this guy. He is not talented enough.And the play out of our RG is horrible. Hands down the weakest point of our line. If we could get a nice young RG in the draft in the first day then I would be happy. Maybe I'll change what I said earlier and go with:1st - WR2nd - CB3rd - RGMcCargo is coming along just fine. Next year you will see a big difference. Plus we get Poz back and that will help out alot in the run game.
 
What draft pick trade value do you think JP Losman carries should he not see the field again the remainder of the season?
hopefully a late 2nd/early 3rd.Schaub warranted a 2nd from Houston and I'm not sure he had shown more than Losman in his limited playing time. It really depends on who else is available in free agency and via trade.
Sometimes showing less in less playing time works in your favor.Unfortunately I don't see that as a benefit for the Bills in this situation.
 
And they're still terrible run blockers. How you have a guy run like Lynch and still average less than 4 yards per carry is beyond me. They're the heaviest O-line in the league. You'd think they'd be able to run block better.
Heavy O-lines tend to block poorly. Arizona had the heaviest O-line in the league for many years, and Denver has one of the lightest.
 
And they're still terrible run blockers. How you have a guy run like Lynch and still average less than 4 yards per carry is beyond me. They're the heaviest O-line in the league. You'd think they'd be able to run block better.
Heavy O-lines tend to block poorly. Arizona had the heaviest O-line in the league for many years, and Denver has one of the lightest.
from what I recall, the Super Bowl Cowboys teams in the early 90s had the league's heaviest lines and were dominant.however, the Super Bowl Broncos lines in the late 90s were the league's lightest line and were dominant.a lot depends on the system and what you're asking the players to do.
 
We got the JAX/BUF game in Miami yesterday and the broadcast highlighted a number of plays where the WR was wide open but JP did not see him and did not throw the ball.

 
This is the thing to do, IMO. Let Edwards grow. It's pretty eveident to me Losman isn't a starting QB. The Bills should find out if Edwards is their guy. Give him the rest of the season & next year, as well. As a 2nd round pick, Edwards deserves a year & half to find out what he can do.

BTW, if anything, Losman's value has gone down (since his return to the starting lineup). That's why I said it was a mistake to bench Edwards & go back to Losman when it happened.

 
We got the JAX/BUF game in Miami yesterday and the broadcast highlighted a number of plays where the WR was wide open but JP did not see him and did not throw the ball.
it was a pretty bad game for him yesterday. he was locking onto players too often and not seeing the field well at all.
 
Glad to see Losman go, despite buying a Losman jersey in the off season :thumbdown:

The guy is just lost out there. Holds the ball too long most of the time. Won't throw it downfield. In the past he wouldn't check down either. He did a good job of that yesterday, but his checkdown throws were horrible a lot of the time. I noticed on a few plays he hops around in the pocket too. Too antsy and too indecisive. These are traits that could conceivably get straightened out if he goes somewhere and puts in time as a backup, but they are never going to get fixed in Buffalo, particularly this year when he knew he was playing for his job and the stress level to perform was dialed up.

As far as needs goes, WR and DT are the top two in my opinion. The WR corp is really bad after Evans. A better QB and a better line are a start, but they need to throw the ball to someone and Evans is not enough of a gamebreaker to go it alone.

I agree with an earlier post that they are very poor at DT against both the run and pass. They have decent DEs, but they can't get to the QB with no help from the DTs. An upgrade here could really vault this D into one of the top units in the league, they have a lot of good young talent at the other defensive positions.

 
#3 (Losman at New England) 7-1-7-0#8 (Edwards started, Losman finished at Jets) 7-5-138-1
this is very misleading. Losman played one series in the Pats game before leaving with an injury.in the week 8 Jets game, 3 quarters of Edwards to Evans was good for 3/34/0. 1 quarter of Losman to Evans was good for 2/104/1.
Good research. Just proves further that it might be best to sit Evans for any other decent WR if you have one.
 
Evans is a zero as long as Edwards is in there but I would like to see this guy get a chance. Loserman had his. I should be able to rip off the Evans owner before next year if he zeros out with Edwards. They will just need some time. Edwards had no problem feeding the ball to an even smaller WR in Parish a few weeks back.
Evans is zero even with Losman right now.....check last 3 weeks statsmaybe the PROBLEM is Jauron.......

 
IMO, the offensive line is still terrible and until that is fixed, the "QB problem" isn't going away. Tom Brady would have a difficult time finding success behind that offensive line. Despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on Dockery and Walker, the o-line is as bad as it has been in years past.
Our pass blocking is light-years better than last year. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.
agreed. protection has been there for the most part...other than Evans though, the team doesn't have guys who can get open consistently. run blocking has been a disappointment this year though.
There were WRs wide open most of yesterday.Just because the QB won't throw it, doesn;t mean the WRs are not open.One of JPs biggest faults is that he won't throw the ball until the WR gets 3 yards of separation. Thus, he holds the ball too long and even when he throws, it is late and leads the WR out of bounds.Starating next week, the WRs will have new found ability to get open and run after the catch.
 
IMO, the offensive line is still terrible and until that is fixed, the "QB problem" isn't going away. Tom Brady would have a difficult time finding success behind that offensive line. Despite spending ridiculous amounts of money on Dockery and Walker, the o-line is as bad as it has been in years past.
Our pass blocking is light-years better than last year. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.
Apparently everyone agrees with you. I'm still not convinced though. I think that Edwards made them look better for several games because he makes such quick decisions with the ball, but if the line has to give the QB 3+ seconds, it seems like there's always a defensive player getting free by that point. And they're still terrible run blockers. How you have a guy run like Lynch and still average less than 4 yards per carry is beyond me. They're the heaviest O-line in the league. You'd think they'd be able to run block better.As far as needs for next season:DT, WR, CB, RGI'll completely disagree with Rude on the DTs. I think the Buffalo DTs have been absolutely terrible. They're virtually non-existent in the run defense. Buffalo is getting absolutely destroyed against the run in every game. The linebackers are having to make almost all of the stops in the running game and that's usually happening 4 or 5 yards downfield. That might be somewhat ok if they were getting tons of pressure on the QB on pass plays, but they're not really doing that either.Maybe it's just the defense. The Cover-2 has been a complete disaster so far in Buffalo IMO. The main reason for the Cover-2 is supposed to be to minimize big plays. And yet the Bills are getting routinely gashed for huge chunks of yardage. The DTs are supposed to be able to shoot the gaps and get to the QB and they're definitely not doing that. I think the Bills need to move to a traditional 3-4. They need to get a big huge NT to swallow up the run. The Bills have will have lots of good LBs once they all get healthy. A 3-4 would be a great fit for them if they had a big run stuffing NT.
1. Except against the Pats, the OL has been providing at least 3-4 seconds. Against Miami, JP had 6+ seconds.2. The OL looked a lot better run blocking the last 2 games for Thomas, which leads me to believe that Lynch -for all his natural talent- has not been hitting the right holes fast enough. He tends to bounce everything outside. Hopefully he learns from his time on the bench. 3. Run defense- Bills need to add some LBs that have some size to go with their speed. The LBs are supposed to make the tackles, just not 5 yards down the field. The DTs do need to generate more pressure, but the run defense has not been bad. The big run to Taylor was a LB screw up, not the fault of the DTs.4. Your assessment of the cover-2 is completely off-base. For as bad as they supposedly played against a very good Jax team, the cover -2 prevented quick strike TDs and forced Jax to kick 5 FGs. The Bills were 1 score down late in 4th quarter. With marginal talent and decimated by injuries, the cover 2 kept the bills in the game. Doesn't sound like a complete failure to me. 5 The bills have zero personnel to switch to a 3-4. They don't have a big NT, they have midget LBs, none of which are big enough to play a 3-4, (maybe they could have their overpaid and undersized DEs change positions to play LB). So other than replacing most of the defensive personnel, the 3-4 is a good idea for next year. :devil:
 
"2. The OL looked a lot better run blocking the last 2 games for Thomas, which leads me to believe that Lynch -for all his natural talent- has not been hitting the right holes fast enough. He tends to bounce everything outside. Hopefully he learns from his time on the bench. "

vs. PATs 2 weeks ago

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG

An. Thomas 11 31 0 9

vs. JAX last week

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG

An. Thomas 15 46 0 8

You are hoping Lynch learns how to run 2.96 YPC?

 
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I have been a big JP backer... but I'm willing to give Edwards a chance. I'd rather lose out and get a higher pick anyways. Even if we make the playoffs we're not going anywhere. We're not going to matchup with the Pats so I'd rather get the higher pick to improve the team for next year.

What concerns me the most are two things.

1. Trent Edwards gets alot of praise from everyone. But, he just reminds me of Chad Pennington part 2. Weak arm and doesn't seem to make any throws of decent length. Alot of his completions seem to be dumpoffs, checkdowns and short routes to the WRs.

2. Steve Fairchild / **** Jauron. The offense was supposed to be spiced up with Fairchild, instead it seems like it is more conservative. I'm not sure who is calling the plays, but whoever it is needs to change up their philosophy or hand over their responsibilities ASAP. We have one of the worst scoring teams in the red zone in terms of touchdowns and that's because we run the ball 70% of the time there. It's like we're telling them what we're doing.

 
Any news out of Buffalo regarding the Bills QB for the rest of the year? Can it be assumed that Losman is done and its Edwards' job for the rest of the year?

 
Any news out of Buffalo regarding the Bills QB for the rest of the year? Can it be assumed that Losman is done and its Edwards' job for the rest of the year?
no real news, but yes I think that is a safe assumption to make.
 

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