At first I thought this was some joke, but it's from the WaPost Skins beat writer. Failed physical because of discomfort putting his helmet on?????
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How dare you, sir!!J.P. Findlay, the Comcast Sports beat reporter for the Redskins had stated that even though Trent had reported, he told the Redskins he had no intention of playing for them.
The Redskins have truly become an embarrassment.
True dat.How dare you, sir!!
We've been an embarrassment for years.
To be fair, the team has handled him horribly. I place zero blame on Williams here. WAS should have traded him long ago.Wow. What a punk. Just when you think you've heard it all...
Williams had surgery this offseason to remove a growth from his scalp and felt discomfort when trying on helmets in his return to the team's facilities
Handled him horribly how exactly?To be fair, the team has handled him horribly. I place zero blame on Williams here. WAS should have traded him long ago.
I say this with no snark or sarcasm whatsoever, but it’s way too much for me to type here. If you Google it, there’s quite a lot of information out there.Handled him horribly how exactly?
Because he wants out they should just grant his wish?
Im asking because I don’t know. I haven’t followed his story
Very interested in this. If they have to pay him for being there (some injury settlement or something), why didn't he return sooner and get those checks too?So what’s the deal? He’s with the team but won’t play..do they have to pay him anything?
Does he get credit for this yr if he refuses to play?
What does the failed physical mean for both sides?
Is it?Hot Sauce Guy said:weird that the clippers owner was stripped of a team for offensive behavior but WAS Is basically named a racist slur & it’s crickets? Must be nice to be a monopoly run by a handful of billionaires who have zero F’s to give.
He's upset at how they handled his injury situation (some growth on his head). I don't know all the details, don't know who does, but he very well may have a legit point here. They didn't at all care about him in what could have been a very serious health situation, perhaps even life threatening.Handled him horribly how exactly?
Because he wants out they should just grant his wish?
Im asking because I don’t know. I haven’t followed his story
Yes, it is. And I don’t believe that for a second. I’ve seen far too many NA protests. I’ve see Dan Snyder bribe poor tribes with schools & sports complexes.Is it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html
In sum for those who react with TLDR
"The majority of Native Americans still aren’t offended by the name of the Washington Redskins."
In addition, I believe he's gone on record as saying he will never play for the team again. As long as he's on the roster I'm guessing we'll see something similar to what Jalen Ramsey did. There will be a new "health" or "personal issue" every week that will keep him on the injury report and inactive every week.He's upset at how they handled his injury situation (some growth on his head). I don't know all the details, don't know who does, but he very well may have a legit point here. They didn't at all care about him in what could have been a very serious health situation, perhaps even life threatening.
That was my reaction, too. I'm not one to defend the Redskins organization. They've been horribly mismanaged for decades and I think Snyder is an absolute disaster as an owner. I feel most criticisms of the organization are probably warranted. That said, I'm also not a fan of players who are under contract just refusing to play, or expecting that management will bend to their demands. Regardless, this looks like one more mess in a long series of them.Handled him horribly how exactly?
Because he wants out they should just grant his wish?
Im asking because I don’t know. I haven’t followed his story
Bill Callahan was quoted as saying that Trent "did not pass his physical". I've seen a report of other team sources that say he actually passed the physical, and then didn't practice because of the discomfort he had putting on/wearing a helmet.Failed physical players don't get paid, right? And the dude had surgery on his scalp so clearly this all legit, Williams isn't really benefiting financially from failing his physical, is he? Asking because I'm honestly curious.
I don't buy it either. Married to an Eastern Band Cherokee and she despises it, most of her family doesn't care for it either and honestly never came across an enrolled member that is impartial but I never pushed the subject. There is a big fair in Charleston, SC every year and the sons of the confederacy have a stand where they hand out confederate flags. An old black man is dressed up in confederate garb and walks around with a large flag, been doing it for years...it's clearly done to garner attention but I liken that guy to natives that say it's okay. The Seminoles gave FSU permission, NA as a whole have not given Snyder anything like that.Yes, it is. And I don’t believe that for a second. I’ve seen far too many NA protests. I’ve see Dan Snyder bribe poor tribes with schools & sports complexes.
perhaps he’s purchased a bit of good will, but I know quite a few NA’s and every one of them is offended by the term “Redskin”.
Exactly. I lived in the Pacific Northwest for 4 years & made many friends among the NA community.I don't buy it either. Married to an Eastern Band Cherokee and she despises it, most of her family doesn't care for it either and honestly never came across an enrolled member that is impartial but I never pushed the subject. There is a big fair in Charleston, SC every year and the sons of the confederacy have a stand where they hand out confederate flags. An old black man is dressed up in confederate garb and walks around with a large flag, been doing it for years...it's clearly done to garner attention but I liken that guy to natives that say it's okay. The Seminoles gave FSU permission, NA as a whole have not given Snyder anything like that.
It is OK for a person to display the confederate flag. It’s free speech.I don't buy it either. Married to an Eastern Band Cherokee and she despises it, most of her family doesn't care for it either and honestly never came across an enrolled member that is impartial but I never pushed the subject. There is a big fair in Charleston, SC every year and the sons of the confederacy have a stand where they hand out confederate flags. An old black man is dressed up in confederate garb and walks around with a large flag, been doing it for years...it's clearly done to garner attention but I liken that guy to natives that say it's okay. The Seminoles gave FSU permission, NA as a whole have not given Snyder anything like that.
Scroll up. I and others gave a summary. Williams had an injury. Team doctors / trainers reportedly mishandled it. It was causing severe discomfort to Williams, and he believed they were pushing him to risk his health. That reportedly "fractured" their relationship.That was my reaction, too. I'm not one to defend the Redskins organization. They've been horribly mismanaged for decades and I think Snyder is an absolute disaster as an owner. I feel most criticisms of the organization are probably warranted. That said, I'm also not a fan of players who are under contract just refusing to play, or expecting that management will bend to their demands. Regardless, this looks like one more mess in a long series of them.
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Washington has two weeks to find LT Trent Williams (scalp) a new helmet that won't hurt him.
Seems like an easy fix. I heard a rumor that there a BUNCH of helmets of all shapes and sizes floating around. CHEAP! They may have a raider logo on them though.omg, another update.
I have no idea what this means - who's imposing this deadline? Two weeks to find one, or uh, what?
I don't know if I would call it an "injury" so much as a medical concern that supposedly really freaked him out. From what I remember I thought the medical staff told him it was nothing. Then, later told him well it is something but it turns out it's benign it doesn't really matter. Given the context of the medical staff in WAS(both Alex Smith AND Guice had multiple surgeries and infections) I don't blame him for not trusting them. People forget that there were staff infections in the medical facilities of NFL teams in the past. These guys have short careers. If you don't trust the medical staff to keep them healthy it's shortened even more.Scroll up. I and others gave a summary. Williams had an injury. Team doctors / trainers reportedly mishandled it. It was causing severe discomfort to Williams, and he believed they were pushing him to risk his health. That reportedly "fractured" their relationship.
I understand that people are quick to label players as greedy, but that was not the case here. It wasn't about meeting his contract demands ala Gordon or Elliott. It was about Williams not wanting to play for a team that he felt was irresponsible with medical care.
And I completely understand that.
Indian calls himself a redskinYes, it is. And I don’t believe that for a second. I’ve seen far too many NA protests. I’ve see Dan Snyder bribe poor tribes with schools & sports complexes.
perhaps he’s purchased a bit of good will, but I know quite a few NA’s and every one of them is offended by the term “Redskin”.
I’ve seen those links, thanks. But just because 1 person doesn’t take offense doesn’t mean that all native Americans don’t take offense.
fixedBut just because 1 person takes offense doesn’t mean that all native Americans take offense.
Not to get distracted from the thread (I personally just refer to the team as "Washington" and my buddy's wife who is Native *hates* the name), but wasn't that poll conducted by the Washington Post? That's not some ragtag news organization, nor one that skews right. You can disagree with the opinions expressed (I do), but I don't think that they are necessarily inaccurate in this case.I’ve seen those links, thanks. But just because 1 person doesn’t take offense doesn’t mean that all native Americans don’t take offense.
as for the alleged 90% polling, I do not believe it.
i have first hand accounts from more than a few native people who are deeply offended by the term. In explaining his offense to it, my former apartment neighbor said, “imagine a team named the Washington n****rs.” - that’s how he felt about the term “redskins.”
so thanks for sharing the links, but In my opinion they are not representative. I believe they’re largely the manufactured data of a billionaire owner who’s managed to purchase enough good will with donations to get whatever segment that was polled to say, “eh, I don’t mind” right before they cash the check or send their kid to a school built by Snyder.
Race relations & racial slurs are a complex issue - oversimplifying things by making generalizations Does a great disservice & diminishes the rightful offense that some do take. In my opinion if even 1% of native Americans are offended by the term and see it as a racial slur, that’s 1% too many. I’m not one to say, “meh, screw the feelings of that 10% of the population because allegedly 90% don’t care”.
I also don’t typically buy into polls because data sets can be manipulated.
The Post is mixed. It’s definitely not right wing, but they’ve also been careful to not make waves on many hot button issues in the past. Would they run a poll using selective data to help a local sports franchise? Dunno. Could they do so if they have any advertising relationship or a beat writer who wants continued access to the team? They absolutely could.Not to get distracted from the thread (I personally just refer to the team as "Washington" and my buddy's wife who is Native *hates* the name), but wasn't that poll conducted by the Washington Post? That's not some ragtag news organization, nor one that skews right. You can disagree with the opinions expressed (I do), but I don't think that they are necessarily inaccurate in this case.
Yes, being an elite professional athlete is exactly like where you work.I’ve already posted that I haven’t followed the whole story.
But if my employer had a medical staff for us, and I felt I wasn’t getting quality care, I’d go to a different doctor
Can he not go to a different doctor if he’s unhappy with the team staff?Yes, being an elite professional athlete is exactly like where you work.
So what you are saying is this is fake news. I have heard that somewhere before.Yes, it is. And I don’t believe that for a second. I’ve seen far too many NA protests. I’ve see Dan Snyder bribe poor tribes with schools & sports complexes.
perhaps he’s purchased a bit of good will, but I know quite a few NA’s and every one of them is offended by the term “Redskin”.
He did. Like Osemele in New York, the "different doctor" told him a very different diagnosis than the team doctor.Can he not go to a different doctor if he’s unhappy with the team staff?
Can he not afford it or what?
Got it. ThanksHe did. Like Osemele in New York, the "different doctor" told him a very different diagnosis than the team doctor.
He feels like the team doctor endangered his health and possibly his life rather than urge him to get surgery in season for the tumor on his head. He considers putting his health in the hands of those doctors again too risky to show up and earn his paycheck.
That's his side of the story anyway. Doesn't sound like a "hold out for a better contract" situation. Sounds like a "the risk isn't worth the money" situation to me.
There's an ironic meatball hanging over the plate here, if someone wants to take a swing at knocking it out of the park...omg, another update.
I have no idea what this means - who's imposing this deadline? Two weeks to find one, or uh, what?
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Washington has two weeks to find LT Trent Williams (scalp) a new helmet that won't hurt him.
That’s how I’d understood it as well.He did. Like Osemele in New York, the "different doctor" told him a very different diagnosis than the team doctor.
He feels like the team doctor endangered his health and possibly his life rather than urge him to get surgery in season for the tumor on his head. He considers putting his health in the hands of those doctors again too risky to show up and earn his paycheck.
That's his side of the story anyway. Doesn't sound like a "hold out for a better contract" situation. Sounds like a "the risk isn't worth the money" situation to me.
It ended heavily in pitts favor? Basically you're saying WAS should have taken anything they could get for him. Which they didn't. All goes back to my point of them being the worst run franchise in pro sports.Nobody knows what WAS was offered for him. If they would have taken a 6th round draft choice then the talking heads blasting Dan Snyder now would still be blasting Dan Snyder. There were a lot of folks that couldn't believe how little PIT got for AB not that long ago. How did that turn out?
Yeah, when it’s put that way it sounds pretty bad.Says he had cancer. Says growth started 6 years ago and team diagnosis said it was minor.
I think the most damning thing is the Redskin's staff told him to "rub some dirt on it"Yeah, when it’s put that way it sounds pretty bad.
if this is accurate, it is reprehensible behavior from the team, and Williams is 100% justified in not wanting to play for them again/demanding a trade.
that said, I’m not sure we know what is truly accurate. The fact that the other doctors immediately scheduled surgery to remove it does seem to favor his side of the story though.
Basically yeah. Would you want to play another down if you were in Williams place?I think the most damning thing is the Redskin's staff told him to "rub some dirt on it"