The problem is that Woodhead is garbage between the tackles. Always has been. I don't imagine that will get better with age. He's small and fast but for whatever reason (at least partially due to how easily he is tackled) he just doesn't get it done as a runner. West isn't impressive (JAG) but he's better between the tackles than Woodhead.
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Top 5 fantasy doesn't mean anything to coaches. To me that's more of an indictment of Gordon than praise for Woodhead. Gordon was coming off an abysmal rookie season. It's possible he just hadn't gained the coaches trust. But as for the comp of Gordon vs. West/Dixon, I won't be surprised if Dixon has a better career than Gordon. Not a popular opinion right now, but give it a couple years.
Much like Sproles leaving NO, I think Woodhead is leaving the place where he had the best fit, production-wise. I don't blame him, though. Why not take more money for less workload at this stage of his career? Probably his last contract.
abbottjamesr
Footballguy
You are right that Woodhead has been less than stellar running between the tackles by his paltry 3.7 ypc over the last three years. I don't think he will get the bulk of the carries on early downs but I think that he fits what Baltimore has been doing on offense for the last couple years. I am sure they want to be more balanced but trotting West out every down isn't going to get you there. I can see a scenario where Woodhead and West split carries 50/50 but Woodhead still gets 5-6 rec per game.
After Dixon gets back it carries could get cut more but I think once you get used to having a guy like Woodhead they will keep feeding him the receptions.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I agree very much with you. Thanks for explaining further. I share your opinion of Dixon vs Gordon, however for different reasons... more of a down on Gordon than super high on Dixon point of view.
Interesting to see this about Dixon though... I may have to take a look at him this year as a flier
Yeah, but unless you drafted Dixon or Martin, who really cares about the first four weeks? I certainly don't want to be starting a 32 yo Woodhead in weeks 14-16. With the return of Dixon, I'll be shocked if Woodhead is getting 5 rec/gm. That's 80 rec on the year. As a team, they had 118 RB rec last year. I don't think Woodhead is getting 67% of them.
abbottjamesr
Footballguy
Those wins count just as much as weeks 10-13. The season is long and what we think we know now will likely be wrong. Woodhead is available late in drafts and offers solid production now with possible good production later. Dixon is also cheap, but offers zero production now with possible good production later. I would rather have Woodhead and make adjustments during the season as we get more information.
I like Dixon, but unless rosters are deep I can't see using a roster spot on him at any price.
Mine's a combination of the two. I am down on Gordon, too. Dixon concerns me a little with the suspension and the slow start due to injury last year. Really would like to see what he could do with a healthy 16 games.
Yeah, but all your players are (typically) healthy to start the season and bye weeks haven't hit yet. So to me the 1st four weeks matter the least as far as finding temporary values. I need my value guys later when injuries and byes hit. Even if I draft Martin as my RB2, I'd probably be subbing in someone like Abdullah rather than Woodhead as my RB2.
I primarily play in leagues with at least 20 roster spots, so I don't mind hanging into Dixon for 5-6 weeks to see what shakes out.
abbottjamesr
Footballguy
There are many ways to build good rosters your way sounds good too. I like taking chances on guys like Cook, Mixon or Abduhla, where there roles are not yet defined. Hard to know what you will get early in the season and having a guy like Woodhead available can be handy if they don't get much volume to start the season.
I play in a couple big money leagues with 15-16 roster spots, makes holding guys hard.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
6-8 weeks is the timeline but this is his 3rd knee injury in 12 months. It might be time to wonder if he can make it physically.
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abbottjamesr
Footballguy
6-8 weeks. Shouldn't be too big of an issue time wise if he can get back into shape quick.
Weebs210
Footballguy
I LOVE Gill this year. I want him on every one of my teams. Let's hope he has a queit preseason. At times he looked better than shady last year. Patriots traded a 5th rounder for Gill and he is by far there best pure runner.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Dismattle
Footballguy
I think that's pretty much my conclusion too -flier- I'm not so sure, I been much of a fan of Hyde.. But, I don't wanna discount his abilities in a poor fashion.. I'm including a Roto blurb which reflects the potential fumbling issue potential.. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12204/joe-williams But, I seen more! He also caught only 20 passes in 19 games at Utah, dropping 5-of-27 catchable targets and fumbling seven times. Think we're talking multiple flags.. draft slot (which disappears) Fumbling (its all or nothing) Receiver >> ?
Heres some link, which seems to indicate Williams, may in fact be the preferred back.. http://www.nothingbutniners.com/49ers/shanahans-running-back-preference/ Obviously, It seems like conflicting info. Ya may enjoy seeing Matt Breida's SPARQ score https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/756160-rb-matt-breida-deep-dynasty-stash/
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Relative to that awful roster, I don't think McDonald is bad at all. You've already put 3.5 million in this year for him, it's well worth $650k to keep him, see what he can do. The team is desperate for players. Plus aren't they pretty close to the salary cap floor? Can they afford to cut him and not get penalized?
shadrap
Footballguy
from what I've seen of him, McDonald is a decent TE with good hands & plays hard. Not a 49rs homer so don't know if he is much of a blocker. Maybe that is the reason?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Maybe but again 49ers are one of the most talent needy teams in the league. It's hard to imagine they don't a spot for a TE with good hands who plays hard and has above average athleticism. The guy is 270 and runs a 4.69.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sucks he was a great value and I had no faith in Dixon.Wonder how high west will start going now.
Actually, McDonald has really bad hands , which is why they drafted Kittle and McDonald is in danger of being cut. He has the ability to make some big plays and has become a pretty good blocker, but drops too many passes. That said, I hope he makes the team. Maybe his drops are concentration related and something that can be improved. Plus, like him better than the alternatives.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
The contract was bad, but also the 49ers were in danger of the not making the cap minimum and being penalized so they had to sign somebody. They can cut him next July at a much smaller cost.
Seems like a 260 pound guy that can do this is useful, especially on an awful team
Big play big guy
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Yeah, that's the big part of the frustration with him. He makes a play like this and then drops a couple easy ones. In this same game, he could have had ANOTHER 75 yard TD. Got behind the defense and Gabbert laid one in perfectly (hard to believe I know) and clank, right off his hands. He would have been off to the races. Absolutely perfect pass, in stride and great touch. Like he had too much time to think about catching it.
Anyway, should get back on subject..............
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Dave Stauff
Footballguy
So now we hear this on Martavis - doubt this has been factored into his ADP to date . . .
"In a statement released Thursday afternoon, Steelers GM Kevin Colbert relayed that "upon his conditional reinstatement in April, Bryant was made aware it was only the beginning of a process toward a return to being a full contributing member of the Steelers. We have been informed by the NFL that Martavis is still in the process of being fully reinstated."
Analysis: As a result, while the wideout will be permitted to take part in "off-the-field team activities at training camp, he will not be permitted to practice or play in any games." While there is nothing in the statement that would indicate that Bryant -- who was suspended last season -- has incurred another violation under the NFL's league's substance-abuse policy, evidently he still has additional hurdles to clear in advance of full reinstatement. When available, Bryant has as much per-play upside as any NFL wideout, but until it's established that he's actually allowed to play, the 25-year-old remains a fantasy wild card."
"In a statement released Thursday afternoon, Steelers GM Kevin Colbert relayed that "upon his conditional reinstatement in April, Bryant was made aware it was only the beginning of a process toward a return to being a full contributing member of the Steelers. We have been informed by the NFL that Martavis is still in the process of being fully reinstated."
Analysis: As a result, while the wideout will be permitted to take part in "off-the-field team activities at training camp, he will not be permitted to practice or play in any games." While there is nothing in the statement that would indicate that Bryant -- who was suspended last season -- has incurred another violation under the NFL's league's substance-abuse policy, evidently he still has additional hurdles to clear in advance of full reinstatement. When available, Bryant has as much per-play upside as any NFL wideout, but until it's established that he's actually allowed to play, the 25-year-old remains a fantasy wild card."
Just came to check in. How's that Joe Williams/Hyde getting cut thing going?What about now?
(sorry, couldn't resist).
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