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True Detective: Tom went in to listen to the Cardinals game...in November. Mmmmmhmmmm... (1 Viewer)

Tusken Raider said:
So, are redwood trees good antennas for 4G/LTE deadspots?
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There was no chance we weren't going to end on a shot of that upload status. I can only imagine the satisfaction he felt when he came up with that.And maybe if he didn't record his life lesson as ####### VIDEO for some reason the cell towers would have been able to handle the smaller file.

 
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fruity pebbles said:
God that was worse than expected and thats saying something. Figures the worlds worst actress is one of the survivors.
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What was the line in the bus station where she said something about "let me tell you something about acting" wife and I were just rolling on that one

 
RUSF18 said:
Tusken Raider said:
So, are redwood trees good antennas for 4G/LTE deadspots?
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There was no chance we weren't going to end on a shot of that upload status. I can only imagine the satisfaction he felt when he came up with that.And maybe if he didn't record his life lesson as ####### VIDEO for some reason the cell towers would have been able to handle the smaller file.
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Plus his battery icon said 100% despite the various phone calls he had made.

 
Not sure, Chessani's kid and Geldof (who I didn't recognize from cameos as the Dexter forensics guy) were in separate shots.

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
If that was season 1, you grandpas in here would be drooling over it like you do NCIS New Orleans.
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I didn't hate the acting. I actually liked it.

I didn't hate the directing. I actually liked it it.

I didn't hate the dialogue, the overhead highway shots, any scene with Rachel McAdam, some of the murder stuff.

I just absolutely had zero interest in the story and plot itself. It fell flat all season and ended with the same thud. Give me the same director, same actors, same key grip, same gaffer and a better story and this would have been a ####### awesome show.

I mean...the victim was a guy we've never met, killed by a person we didn't meet until the last 30 minutes of the season.

 
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One of the problems with a show like this is, there isn't continuity. You can't learn to love Tuco or Pauly Wallnuts, because they aren't in the next season. The first season is pure brilliance, one of the best seasons of TV ever. Repeating that is a tall order and Pizzolatto seems very proprietary with his ideas. Season II wasn't great, but it's not half as bad as people are making it out to be and it is still way the #### better than Homeland or Criminal Minds.

 
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Bob Magaw said:
I forgot about another noir riff, LA Confifential.

Plastic surgery enhanced prosts, blackmail, crooked cops.
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James Ellroy was mentioned in here a couple of times.
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His first great work was the LA quartet.He liked to work with three primary protagonists (Bucky, Lee and Kate in Black Dahlia, Considine, Upshaw and Meeks in The Big Nowhere, Exley, White and Vincennes in LA Confidential). The latter two narratives are told from three points of view. I haven't read White Jazz yet (started twice, but the language and style are so radically different, harshly clipped), or his next trilogy spanning the late 50s to early 70s.

Big Nowhere has the killer removing the eyes of his victim and post-mortem drive and body dump, Black Dahlia a parent/kid misdirection/switch in the conclusion and LA Confidential has high level corruption behind freeway building rights and the cops killing cops sub-plot, probably many other parallels, connections and allusions.

Black Dahlia has incest (as does Chinatown), and Big Nowhere has a biter serial killer with dentures, like Thomas Harris's Red Dragon (adapted as Manhunter by Michael Mann, the prequel to Silence of the Lambs, and supposedly one of Ellroy's favorite thrillers). The Big Nowhere was heavily influenced by Billy Friedkin's Cruising, and along with The French Connection, The Exorcist and Sorceror (an adaptation of the classic noir Wages of Fear), he also did the neo-noir To Live And Die In LA.

* Also from Big Nowhere, Ray is a mashup of characters, like Mal in terms of the kid in the middle of a custody battle sub-plot, like Buzz in regards to the latter being a morally ambiguous former cop, part time mob bagman (he is killed by Smith in the prologue of LA Confidential, by Dudley Smith, the primary recurring character in the LA Quartet, who Burris resembles). The Terry Lux character (psychiatrist/plastic surgeon) a lot like Pitlor. Zoot Suit riots figure prominently in Black Dahlia, Rodney King in TD.

 
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In recent weeks, I've been trying to look for silver linings in the overall mess that's been "True Detective" season 2. In fact, I found myself almost entirely not hating last week's episode. So in the spirit of that attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff, here's what I found good about the finale to this story:It looked great. Director John Crowley and his director of photography did a fantastic job of shooting the desert, the forest, the docks, and even the Anaheim train station.

And several of the performances — including, as usual, Rachel McAdams and Colin Farrell — were quite fine.

And here's what I didn't find good in the finale:

Everything else.

"Omega Station" was all the sins of season 2 writ large. It offered long swaths of action that made little sense, followed by awkward exposition dumps. It was self-serious to the point of self-parody. The characters were so sketchily written that there was almost no impact when several of them died. And even having to wrap up a plot so convoluted that Slate's Willa Paskin needed over 4000 words to properly explain it earlier this week, the finale had no business being this long. Almost every scene felt padded in a way designed to give extra weight to characters and plot developments too flimsy to support it, and what was intended as literary crime fiction in the vein of James Ellroy instead played like pulp fiction that had very badly overreached.

So Ani and Jordan lived while Ray and Frank died, the two women now taking care of Ray's baby — to go along with Emily raising Paul's baby, and Gena discovering that Ray was Chad's biological father, leaving a trail of fatherless children — and none of it mattered in the slightest, because the character work had been so broad and rushed in order to make room for a plot the season did such a poor job of laying out.

Even here at the end, the show was frantically trying to fill in important backstory, like Frank's surviving henchman Nails explaining his undying loyalty to Frank by way of the nail-gun scar on his forehead, or Angela the manager of the saddest bar in the world explaining to Ani her similar loyalty to Ray, Frank being confronted by the ghosts of a caricatured '80s street gang who had, like his father, made him feel self-conscious about his height.

The show had so many characters floating around who seemed vaguely important — even if they, like dear, departed Stan, were only referred to by name when they weren't on-camera — that Bird Mask could have been almost anybody and it would have had the same effect as making him be the film set photographer, whom we hadn't even seen since episode 3. (Though it could have been even sillier: Pizzolatto could have made the Fukunaga-resembling director into the killer.)

Again and again throughout the season and in this finale, events happened not out of any discernible character or narrative logic, but because they were necessary to make a thematic point. Why, for instance, does Chad have his grandfather's police badge with him for a role-playing game in the schoolyard? Because Ray has to know that Chad is his father's son, no matter what the DNA results say. And whatever pain we were meant to feel from Ray dying so soon after he and Ani seemed to have found happiness with each other — for God's sake, Ray smiled as he called her from the freeway — was undercut by how out of the blue the idea of them as a couple was. It would have felt more powerful if Ani was grieving the death of a partner she had surprisingly come to respect over the course of this investigation, because that was one of the few relationships this season had not only given the necessary amount of time and attention, but hadn't overdone it with the kind of overly colorful dialogue that made so many of the Frank/Jordan scenes difficult to get through.

This season was a mess — a mess that had moments, and some good performances, but still a mess — yet I doubt it'll be the last we see of "True Detective." The ratings have remained strong for HBO, and Michael Lombardo said he'd like another installment if Nic Pizzolatto wants to do one. If it happens, I would hope Pizzolatto recognizes that he bit off way more than he could chew this season, and also that he'd do well to take on some more collaborators, whether a strong directorial voice like Fukunaga's or a full writer's room to help him figure out which story points are working and which aren't coming across clearly enough.

The total creative freedom Pizzolatto had this season is a great idea in theory, and some of the best dramas of our time have come from creators like David Milch and Matthew Weiner who had relative autonomy. But for this season, at least, Pizzolatto very badly needed someone to tell him to go back to the beginning and either streamline the narrative or find a much better way to establish the players and the moves, to write material that played to his actors' strengths, to give the audience reason to care about why any of this was happening, and perhaps to find a few intentionally light moments so that the whole thing didn't come off as funnier than he wanted it to be.

Basically, this season needed someone who was willing and able to say, "No. This isn't working." And there wasn't.
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Only positive of this season is it should give any creative writing student in junior college some hope.

Would I rather fight Rousey or Maywhether? I'd get killed every time.

But I could have written a better second season of True Detective. I wouldn't even have to spend time researching police procedure and jargon. It's unreal. Can't believe what I just watched.

Ok. So take that and times it by 10. That is the last season of Dexter. Now you know.

 
That was it? WoW

So who are they going to cast next season?

Detective 1: Lisa Lampanelli - wise cracking cop who comes from a family whose has criminal ties all over Chicago, brother has been in prison multiple times. Dad is an ex cop gone bad, mother is an ex gangbanger druggie.

Detective 2: Johnny Depp - ex male model, occasional male escort from his younger days. Took a gig as a cop to make ends meet, some 15 years later he has made detective, but still yearns for the big lights and fame that passed him by.

 
I thought VV's acting during the death walk was the best we've seen from him all season. Shame he didn't discover that earlier.

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
That was it? WoW

So who are they going to cast next season?

Detective 1: Lisa Lampanelli - wise cracking cop who comes from a family whose has criminal ties all over Chicago, brother has been in prison multiple times. Dad is an ex cop gone bad, mother is an ex gangbanger druggie.

Detective 2: Johnny Depp - ex male model, occasional male escort from his younger days. Took a gig as a cop to make ends meet, some 15 years later he has made detective, but still yearns for the big lights and fame that passed him by.
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William Shatner, Chuck Norris and Robert Blake.

 
So Laura became a high class hooker legitimately and randomly a part of the parties. Then, according to several sources, she became on of Caspere's favorite girls. She attended events etc with him iirc. Then she says she dyed her hair and changed her name so he would not recognize her and he hires her as his assistant??????

She goes over to his house and put something in his drink but her brother shows up (unsure if the were in on this together) and he goes too far and kills him.

The brother continues to stake out the apartment. For some reason has a shot gun loaded with riot shells. Decides not to kill Valcoro for some random reason.

They have this hard drive for weeks and just make contact at this point for the trade?

Why did McAdams go back to the therapist compound?

Tony Chessani played his father and led to his mother killing herself all so he could be mayor of Venci?

 
Velcoro put up quite a fight, stepping out from behind that tree making them use a bunch of ammo. Like the still screen of him shot up and then the shot of the phone not uploading his recording to his son, like we were supposed to care he was dead.

 
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