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Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?

 
Depends on who said it. Whitey cant say that.

For the record, its a stupid comment that doesnt hold any truth. The young black lads seem to learn other sports just fine.

 
Watered down definition of racism that exists in our PC world? It's probably a bit of both. Though, I'd consider it sexist before racist.

 
Not true.

It's not racist to consider the consequences of single parenthood, which tends to be more of an issue among black families ("all" is a stupid word to use).

It has nothing to do with baseball though.

 
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Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

 
Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?
Same can be said about bowling

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.

 
Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?
I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Is there an asianpeoplemeet.com and a hispanicpeoplemeet.com?

 
Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?
Same can be said about bowling
Bowling is pretty self explanatory. I think a fatherless kid could figure it out on his won.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.
Little League baseball probably does take more parental involvement/organization than basketball at a young age.

There are a bunch of factors that are more important, but the notion isn't way off base I guess.

 
Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?
I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Is there an asianpeoplemeet.com and a hispanicpeoplemeet.com?
I know there's something like a farmers meet and a christians meet.

 
Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?
I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Is there an asianpeoplemeet.com and a hispanicpeoplemeet.com?
There is a Christianpeoplemeet, or something similar. Not sure of the others you mention.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.
Little League baseball probably does take more parental involvement/organization than basketball at a young age.

There are a bunch of factors that are more important, but the notion isn't way off base I guess.
More than football? :confused:

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
Are we sure it's not true?

Single parent families by race (2012):

Black 67%

Hispanic 42%

White 25%

Asian 17%

Data Source: Population Reference Bureau, analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau, Census 2000 Supplementary Survey, 2001 Supplementary Survey, 2002 through 2012 American Community Survey.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.
Little League baseball probably does take more parental involvement/organization than basketball at a young age.

There are a bunch of factors that are more important, but the notion isn't way off base I guess.
More than football? :confused:
At that age? Yes.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
Are we sure it's not true?

Single parent families by race (2012):

Black 67%

Hispanic 42%

White 25%

Asian 17%

Data Source: Population Reference Bureau, analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau, Census 2000 Supplementary Survey, 2001 Supplementary Survey, 2002 through 2012 American Community Survey.
I think most of us that disagree think it has nothing to do with black kids playing less baseball. That doesnt mean that their dads are not around.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.
Little League baseball probably does take more parental involvement/organization than basketball at a young age.

There are a bunch of factors that are more important, but the notion isn't way off base I guess.
More than football? :confused:
At that age? Yes.
I agree with basketball. But baseball and football seem like the same amount of parental involvement. I also think any kid with a ball and stick can play baseball. I think his thought that "not having fathers" is incredibly stupid.

 
Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?
If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
Are we sure it's not true?

Single parent families by race (2012):

Black 67%

Hispanic 42%

White 25%

Asian 17%

Data Source: Population Reference Bureau, analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau, Census 2000 Supplementary Survey, 2001 Supplementary Survey, 2002 through 2012 American Community Survey.
Damn, no idea it would have been that high.

 
Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?
If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.
I signed up for blackpeoplemeet.com.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
Trying to sprinkle a little bit of guilt over your snow flake head. Kinda like the guilt fairy.... :mellow: ....I grew up playing with black kids on naval bases, their fathers were allowed to join the service as has been the case in my lifetime..

 
Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?
Same can be said about bowling
Bowling is pretty self explanatory. I think a fatherless kid could figure it out on his won.
Think again

 
Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?
If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.
I signed up for blackpeoplemeet.com.
Nice. Your adventures there are probably worthy of their own thread.

 
Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?
Same can be said about bowling
Bowling is pretty self explanatory. I think a fatherless kid could figure it out on his won.
Think again
Not sure your point there. :confused:

There are pics of white guys, black guys, asian guys, wommen, gingers and a bunch of fat and ugly guys. That's pretty diverse for bowling.

 
Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?
Same can be said about bowling
Bowling is pretty self explanatory. I think a fatherless kid could figure it out on his won.
Think again
Not sure your point there. :confused:

There are pics of white guys, black guys, asian guys, wommen, gingers and a bunch of fat and ugly guys. That's pretty diverse for bowling.
Oh I see. You believe in the "token" way of doing things

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.
Little League baseball probably does take more parental involvement/organization than basketball at a young age.

There are a bunch of factors that are more important, but the notion isn't way off base I guess.
More than football? :confused:
Maybe not, but like I said, there are other factors that are more important (like football being more popular). But the parental involvement aspect could simply be another hurdle once you get past the main hurdles.

It depends on the area I'm sure, but in many areas (like where I've been), youth football is generally run by the schools while youth baseball is pretty much an entirely parent run organization not affiliated with the school or city.

For a football team, you might only need 3 parents heavily involved for every 40 kids with the local government footing much of the equipment bill. A youth baseball team might have 3 parents for every 12 kids with kids buying much of their equipment.

 
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Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?
Same can be said about bowling
Bowling is pretty self explanatory. I think a fatherless kid could figure it out on his won.
Think again
Not sure your point there. :confused:

There are pics of white guys, black guys, asian guys, wommen, gingers and a bunch of fat and ugly guys. That's pretty diverse for bowling.
Oh I see. You believe in the "token" way of doing things
I think anyone who's not white should be proud that we don't partake in bowling on a professional level. :shrug:

 
Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?
If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.
Seriously, is that what determines if it's racist or not? The size of the group that it caters to?

 
I think most of us that disagree think it has nothing to do with black kids playing less baseball. That doesnt mean that their dads are not around.
Gotcha. Yeah I'm not sure you can tie the lack of present fathers to the baseball option.

From what I've heard through various times I've read something on this (not claiming it as fact) it has a lot to do with cost of equipment, cost of playing on competitive level (travel ball is expensive and fairly necessary to advance), coupled with a limited number of role models within the sport when compared to others like basketball.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.
Little League baseball probably does take more parental involvement/organization than basketball at a young age.

There are a bunch of factors that are more important, but the notion isn't way off base I guess.
More than football? :confused:
Maybe not, but like I said, there are other factors that are more important (like football being more popular). But the parental involvement aspect could simply be another hurdle once you get past the main hurdles.

It depends on the area I'm sure, but in many areas (like where I've been), youth football is generally run by the schools while youth baseball is pretty much an entirely parent run organization not affiliated with the school or city.

For a football team, you might only need 3 parents heavily involved for every 40 kids with the local government footing much of the equipment bill. A youth baseball team might have 3 parents for every 12 kids with kids buying much of their equipment.
I can't argue those, but that doesn't sound right. But to be honest, I don't know. So I'll take your word.

But that sounds more like cost over parents. I just think what Wilbon said is utter :bs: I don't think single parents play a factor in to which sport a kid plays. No father to have a catch? Guess I won't play baseball. Let's go throw a football instead.

 
Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?
I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Is there an asianpeoplemeet.com and a hispanicpeoplemeet.com?
[SIZE=10pt]A quick google search shows that there are indeed Latino people and an Asian people meet dating sites[/SIZE]

 
I think most of us that disagree think it has nothing to do with black kids playing less baseball. That doesnt mean that their dads are not around.
Gotcha. Yeah I'm not sure you can tie the lack of present fathers to the baseball option.

From what I've heard through various times I've read something on this (not claiming it as fact) it has a lot to do with cost of equipment, cost of playing on competitive level (travel ball is expensive and fairly necessary to advance), coupled with a limited number of role models within the sport when compared to others like basketball.
But kids don't travel to play basketball. Why do inner city kids have to travel at all to play baseball? There should be more kids per capita in the city than on a rural farm team. And as far as equipment, why do they have to buy anything other than a glove?

 
As long as people keep yelling "that is racist" whenever somebody makes a simple statement there will always be racism....67% single parent household, there is a good chance a lot of these kids fathers are not involved in their life.

 
Who said that
Michael Wilbon
yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is
Are we sure it's not true?

Single parent families by race (2012):

Black 67%

Hispanic 42%

White 25%

Asian 17%

Data Source: Population Reference Bureau, analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau, Census 2000 Supplementary Survey, 2001 Supplementary Survey, 2002 through 2012 American Community Survey.
Damn, no idea it would have been that high.
yeah... good gosh 67% what is going on in that community?

Also pretty surprised at the 42% for Hispanic, a culture generally known for its family togetherness

 
Little League baseball probably does take more parental involvement/organization than basketball at a young age.

There are a bunch of factors that are more important, but the notion isn't way off base I guess.
More than football? :confused:
Maybe not, but like I said, there are other factors that are more important (like football being more popular). But the parental involvement aspect could simply be another hurdle once you get past the main hurdles.

It depends on the area I'm sure, but in many areas (like where I've been), youth football is generally run by the schools while youth baseball is pretty much an entirely parent run organization not affiliated with the school or city.

For a football team, you might only need 3 parents heavily involved for every 40 kids with the local government footing much of the equipment bill. A youth baseball team might have 3 parents for every 12 kids with kids buying much of their equipment.
I can't argue those, but that doesn't sound right. But to be honest, I don't know. So I'll take your word.But that sounds more like cost over parents. I just think what Wilbon said is utter :bs: I don't think single parents play a factor in to which sport a kid plays. No father to have a catch? Guess I won't play baseball. Let's go throw a football instead.
I'm no expert (don't have kids), but I could see baseball needing as much or more than football at that age.

The point is that there is some merit to the notion, but it's a factor that's down the list a little (it sounds like that's what Wilbon was getting at).

 

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