dkp993
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Where were you and talking about the failures of the right to WORK WITH THE DNC AND OBAMA TO HELP THE UNITED STATES in the 8 years prior?
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Stealthycat
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it does work both ways but tell me this ..... from day one, was there protesting in the streets that Obama won? were there articles of impeachment talked about from day one ? hate from day one ?
this is unprecedented .... what we see the left / Democrats doing ..it far, far FAR breaches just party vs party fighting that has always existed
nobody in good conscious can even begin to compare what the Democrats have done in the last 2 years to anything prior ..............even GOP head hunting Bill Clinton pales to this
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SaintsInDome2006
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The facts about Trump are unprecedented. There has never been an incoming President with either a counterintelligence investigation surrounding him or the private-public conflicts. There is no comp for either.
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dkp993
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2 things....Stealthycat said:
1- it’s been a progression. For each of the last 5 Presidents it’s gotten worse. Before Trump Obama had it worse then anyone prior.
2- Trump is the most polarizing and divisive President in generations (maybe ever but I’m no historian). That multiplies point number 1.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
1. is true but is that an excuse for GOP to attack the next DNC President ?
2. he's only polarizing because people make it so .......... they WANT it, they are desperate for it, they embrace it and desire it. They COULD work with Trump, take the higher ground, work for the AMerican people to make all this better like they're supposed to vs just fighting. Then Trump - if he continued to be an ### ... that's all on him isn't it ?
but the DNC is the party of anti-Trump, that's the #1 core value right now and has been since the day after last election
dkp993
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1. Of course not, as it’s not now nor with Obama or Bush or....
2. B.S. he’s polarizing because he’s a world class narcissist and liar, he stands for nothing but his own ego. Only a Trump supporter could possibly blame others for Trumps faults. Those on the right only stand behind him because he tells you what you want to hear right now, but if he was a Democrat again (as he was for a long time) you and all those on the right would be just as anti-Trump as we are now. It’s also extremely convenient for you to now tell others to take the higher ground and focus on America, yet when an infinitely better human being was in office but you didn’t agree with his politics you had zero issue with treating him worse then any President prior. Where was all your “American people first” talk then?
I am glad to see anyone who points out any contrary info has already been cast a troll. Pointing out such things as:
1. The laws are written to make it almost impossiple to convict a politician...troll
2. Pointing to a previous administration who had lists of prices for certain access ($200k for a stay in the Lincoln bedroom, $200k for a 5 minute meeting, ect.) ...troll
3. Pointing out things like banks like JP Morgan and Chase donating millions to said campaign which seemingly bought deregulation so mortgages could be sold as commodities leading to a massive financial crash....troll
4. People paying $200k and receiving a pardon...troll
But nobody here would defend such a president because they are so Superior to Trump supporters. It is like devja vu all over again.
1. The laws are written to make it almost impossiple to convict a politician...troll
2. Pointing to a previous administration who had lists of prices for certain access ($200k for a stay in the Lincoln bedroom, $200k for a 5 minute meeting, ect.) ...troll
3. Pointing out things like banks like JP Morgan and Chase donating millions to said campaign which seemingly bought deregulation so mortgages could be sold as commodities leading to a massive financial crash....troll
4. People paying $200k and receiving a pardon...troll
But nobody here would defend such a president because they are so Superior to Trump supporters. It is like devja vu all over again.
Both Clinton and W had it worse than Obama. Probably even Reagan had it worse than Obama. I would rank them from having the worst treatment..Trump, Clinton, W, Reagan, Obama, bush
sho nuff
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1000 percent serious. Obama had the most friendliest coverage in recent memory. Aside from right wing blogs and Facebook posts which are easily ignored, his coverage was extremely friendly.
sho nuff
Footballguy
And Fox (mustard, suits) and the conversation wasn’t just about news coverage. Other than the right wing outlets that popped up and the nonstop crap on Fox, GOP in Congress and Republicans all over weren’t friendly.
To claim it was just right wing blogs and Facebook is head in the sand stuff.
sho nuff
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Stealthycat
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I was thinking about this morning the above ....
Nixon was went after because of what he did in office Watergte, Clinton was went after because of what he did in office Monica, Obama/Hillary was went after because of what they did in office (IRA targeting, Benghazi)
Trump is being gone after because of anything he did maybe BEFORE office like taxes. Went after on Russia and that was all a lie by the left.
Watch AOC flounder through he "reasons" for impeachment
https://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/1117787912014266369
its a joke - and the American people see it for what it is - pure hate
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
You're confusing multiple investigations now.
The inauguration investigation is about corruption in fundraising obviously before Trump was president.
However the taxes and finances are about Trump making money through his holding office. They also cover his representations about his finances after he took office.
The Russia investigation covers acts before and during his presidency.
The investigations about his screwing with security clearances are about his acts during office.
I realize there's a lot going on and it's hard to follow. I really seriously doubt you'd support the president engaging in corruption in any event. I hope I'm right about that.
dkp993
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dkp993
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
Obama's 2012 campaign had violations didn't it ? If there was issues, fine and move on. Why now talking about making money ? There was no Russia collusion - that was all a lie .......... security clearance? making money with the power of offices? If those are concerns why wasn't they when the IRS targeted conservatives, with Clinton Foundation, with spying on Trump towers, with the dossier, with all that happened during Obama ?
because the left will do ANYTHING to keep the hate going ... and SaintsInDome2006 if all the above if proven fake/false ..... you know as well as I do the Democrats will reach for something else, and then something else ..... they have to keep the hate going
they could stop - and work for the betterment of America .... but that's not their goal, is it ?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
what was I supposed to say ?
Obama didn't do anything in office much other than Solyndra, IRS targeting, Benghazi and allowing the Clinton Foundation deals ...spying on Trump maybe ......... I've always said Obama was a well manned POTUS even though I hated his views on things and how he wanted the country to go
I call people what they are - Trump is an #####, but he win, he succeeds, and I didn't vote for him to be nice, I voted for him to make this country better and I think he's done that and could do far, far more if Democrats would work with him to make this all better. They're not - they're 24x7x365 hate
dkp993
Footballguy
The truth. You’re partisan blind and just as bad and divisive as those you rail against. You only want others to work with your guys (whom ever that is no matter how bad they are) when it suits your needs. When it doesn’t, not a peep. It’s Americans first and sacrifice when your party is not the one having to sacrifice. Own it.
sho nuff
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Obama's 2012 campaign was investigated for reporting violations.
A president - any politician really - profiting from office is a different issue. One is campaign related, one is personal profit.
Russia is under investigation, there's a hearing underway right now.
Under Obama the head of the IRS was interrogated on the Hill.
The Clinton Foundation was investigated.
The DOJ IG has investigated and issued a report on FBI behavior and is preparing one regarding the Fisa process.
I think Stealthy that the best solution for Trump to halt the investigations is to 1. comply with the requests for transparency and 2. stop doing things to investigate.
- IIRC just this last December Trump sent two negotiators - his VP and Chief of Staff - to negotiate with Congress. They confected a deal in Trump's name. The whole Senate GOP and Dems together voted unanimously for it. - Trump rejected the deal.
In the midst of a national emergency involving the military, DHS and CBP, Trump has fired the Sec. of Defense, the Sec. of DHS and has failed to nominate a head for CBP.
I hope this answers your questions.
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Stealthycat
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
I call things what they are, you will not see me vary on that and I voted 3rd party in 2012
Stealthycat
Footballguy
if there are issues yes - this witch hunting is what America is seeing
and they hate it, and its exactly what it is, you cannot paint it any different and the Dem's have said over and over "whatever it takes" ..... look at Kavanaugh, all the lying women .... whatever it takes, right ?
that's been the call for 2 years .... and the Democrats fail again, and again, and the next day, set another ridiculous accusation and go with that and keep the hate alive. That's their 2020 election plan ... hate Trump
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The director of the presidential inaugural committee has already pleaded guilty. Did you even know that?
msommer
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