Between the two of them, they've averaged 113 games played over the past five seasons.Discussing this with someone earlier tonight ... drafting both Tulo and Hanley in a 10-teamer.
Hanley as a UT until he becomes OF-eligible, Tulo insurance, weakens an already awful SS field even more.
Possible shark move?
Slow auction ongoing, I'm trying to get J Roll at MI/backup Tulo. Between the rest of my infield I have Pujols, Votto, Longo, Lawrie, Prado, and Scooter. If I got in a real jam I could use Moss at 1b, but I'm operating at a deficiency on the back end of my outfield so that's last resort territory.Discussing this with someone earlier tonight ... drafting both Tulo and Hanley in a 10-teamer.
Hanley as a UT until he becomes OF-eligible, Tulo insurance, weakens an already awful SS field even more.
Possible shark move?
Update?Slow auction ongoing, I'm trying to get J Roll at MI/backup Tulo. Between the rest of my infield I have Pujols, Votto, Longo, Lawrie, Prado, and Scooter. If I got in a real jam I could use Moss at 1b, but I'm operating at a deficiency on the back end of my outfield so that's last resort territory.Discussing this with someone earlier tonight ... drafting both Tulo and Hanley in a 10-teamer.
Hanley as a UT until he becomes OF-eligible, Tulo insurance, weakens an already awful SS field even more.
Possible shark move?
There are some red flags there, GB. Can't deny the 5-cat production track record though.I passed on Tulo for Desmond. No hesitation.
I asked that question last week ... would it be smart to grab both Tulo and Hanley, knowing I can use Hanley at OF/UT and also have him as Tulo insurance? And also thin the SS pool even more?If you can get Hanley at #9, that Tulo risk sure seems worth it at #2.
Wouldn't the flipside also be true then?MAC_32 said:If you pass on Tulo and he stays healthy you will not be able to manufacture anything at SS remotely close to his production.
If you pass on Felix and he stays healthy you can still build a pitching staff strong enough to score the most pitching points in your league.
Sure, pitching is the deepest position in the game though. Shortstop is terrible. There are some interesting young players at the position, but can you comfortably say you think any of them will significantly outperform their current value? I can't. Usually aren't those types that pop up in season either. I'm sure there are others, but the only example that comes to mind is Everth Cabrera, past years and current year. I'd be more surprised if he were on my roster May 1 than off it though.Anyway, if you're debating between Tulo and other bats I won't nudge you towards Tulo because you can argue a full season of games from them are more valuable than Tulo * likelihood he plays a full season + replacement level filler when he is injured. Pitching though? You can piece that together. Every team is going to come out of a draft deficient somewhere and the easiest position to patch together cheaply/later is pitching.Wouldn't the flipside also be true then?If you pass on Felix, you will not be able to manufacture anything at SP remotely close to his production.MAC_32 said:If you pass on Tulo and he stays healthy you will not be able to manufacture anything at SS remotely close to his production.
If you pass on Felix and he stays healthy you can still build a pitching staff strong enough to score the most pitching points in your league.
If you pass on Tulo, you can still build a lineup strong enough to secure the most hitting points in your league.
Not even saying I disagree with the essence of your comment, but I fail to see a difference in philosophy. In one instance, you're saying Felix's stats are replaceable over the course of an entire staff but with Tulo you're comparing to one singular position. I don't think you're comparing apples and apples here.
I have Aybar in two leagues, so he's likely to suck.Jhonny Peralta Is going off the board at SS15. I'll start there with guys that won't only better their ADP, but likely blow it away.
Aybar (16), Simmons (19) and Flores (26) also prime candidates to significantly better their ADPs
Usually you miss about everything.Flores is one of those guys I referred to, I'm interested but not in starting him in April. Watch list, preferred.
Curious about Simmons, but he had more hr in 2013 than the rest of his major/minor league career combined. Rather watch that one from afar this year.
Hot streaks, luck, and unexpected stuff happen but I'm not seeing any reason to believe Peralta and Aybar at age 32 and 31 are going to one-up previous performances. What am I missing?
For fantasy purposes, I'd much rather have Semien than Simmons.Marcus Semien is also an interesting case. Going off boards around 275 which would put him right around Simmons. You're getting position eligibility at 3 positions and could net you 25-30 combined HR/SB.
I also think there's a decent chance he finds his way into the top of the lineup. Crisp is an injury waiting to happen and Sam Fuld doesn't scream 2 hitter
The versatility alone makes him more attractive. One of those 'all things being equal' kind of tie breakersFor fantasy purposes, I'd much rather have Semien than Simmons.Marcus Semien is also an interesting case. Going off boards around 275 which would put him right around Simmons. You're getting position eligibility at 3 positions and could net you 25-30 combined HR/SB.
I also think there's a decent chance he finds his way into the top of the lineup. Crisp is an injury waiting to happen and Sam Fuld doesn't scream 2 hitter
That's a good idea. Draft as depth and if the guy you drafted to play SS sucks then slide him in there once eligible. Gonna keep him in mind for my last one.Marcus Semien is also an interesting case. Going off boards around 275 which would put him right around Simmons. You're getting position eligibility at 3 positions and could net you 25-30 combined HR/SB.
I also think there's a decent chance he finds his way into the top of the lineup. Crisp is an injury waiting to happen and Sam Fuld doesn't scream 2 hitter
Who did you get at #9?For the record, I took Tulo. Felix and Hanley ended up going the next two picks, and Desmond went at 6. So I feel better about grabbing one of the "big three" SS.
My pitching still should be solid (hopefully) with Scherzer, Harvey, Tanaka, Iwakuma and Samardzija at the top.
CarGo.Who did you get at #9?For the record, I took Tulo. Felix and Hanley ended up going the next two picks, and Desmond went at 6. So I feel better about grabbing one of the "big three" SS.
My pitching still should be solid (hopefully) with Scherzer, Harvey, Tanaka, Iwakuma and Samardzija at the top.
I did this not really planning to. Sort of wish I had taken Desmond for UT but that's ok because Hanley will give me more utility at the position change.Discussing this with someone earlier tonight ... drafting both Tulo and Hanley in a 10-teamer.
Hanley as a UT until he becomes OF-eligible, Tulo insurance, weakens an already awful SS field even more.
Possible shark move?
Ouch. I like the Tulo pick at #2, but at #9 I probably would've taken somebody with less injury risk since you already have that in spades with Tulo. Donaldson at #9 would've given you the start of a killer infield.CarGo.Who did you get at #9?For the record, I took Tulo. Felix and Hanley ended up going the next two picks, and Desmond went at 6. So I feel better about grabbing one of the "big three" SS.
My pitching still should be solid (hopefully) with Scherzer, Harvey, Tanaka, Iwakuma and Samardzija at the top.
Donaldson went at 5.Ouch. I like the Tulo pick at #2, but at #9 I probably would've taken somebody with less injury risk since you already have that in spades with Tulo. Donaldson at #9 would've given you the start of a killer infield.CarGo.Who did you get at #9?For the record, I took Tulo. Felix and Hanley ended up going the next two picks, and Desmond went at 6. So I feel better about grabbing one of the "big three" SS.
My pitching still should be solid (hopefully) with Scherzer, Harvey, Tanaka, Iwakuma and Samardzija at the top.
I assume he took Carlos Gomez, not Carlos Gonzalez.ActionHero said:Ouch. I like the Tulo pick at #2, but at #9 I probably would've taken somebody with less injury risk since you already have that in spades with Tulo. Donaldson at #9 would've given you the start of a killer infield.Dickie Dunn said:CarGo.Eephus said:Who did you get at #9?For the record, I took Tulo. Felix and Hanley ended up going the next two picks, and Desmond went at 6. So I feel better about grabbing one of the "big three" SS.
My pitching still should be solid (hopefully) with Scherzer, Harvey, Tanaka, Iwakuma and Samardzija at the top.
I'd say that's a bad assumption.I assume he took Carlos Gomez, not Carlos Gonzalez.ActionHero said:Ouch. I like the Tulo pick at #2, but at #9 I probably would've taken somebody with less injury risk since you already have that in spades with Tulo. Donaldson at #9 would've given you the start of a killer infield.Dickie Dunn said:CarGo.Eephus said:Who did you get at #9?For the record, I took Tulo. Felix and Hanley ended up going the next two picks, and Desmond went at 6. So I feel better about grabbing one of the "big three" SS.
My pitching still should be solid (hopefully) with Scherzer, Harvey, Tanaka, Iwakuma and Samardzija at the top.
Oh, I totally grant that it's easier to patchwork a good staff together than to patchwork good offense. I just meant in either case, you're not replicating the production of the guy you're missing out on. Arguments can be made either way, and I would also tend to err on the side of the hitter versus the pitcher. But no matter how well you piece together your staff, you aren't getting production of a Felix Hernandez out of that one lineup slot, that's all I meant.Sure, pitching is the deepest position in the game though. Shortstop is terrible. There are some interesting young players at the position, but can you comfortably say you think any of them will significantly outperform their current value? I can't. Usually aren't those types that pop up in season either. I'm sure there are others, but the only example that comes to mind is Everth Cabrera, past years and current year. I'd be more surprised if he were on my roster May 1 than off it though.Anyway, if you're debating between Tulo and other bats I won't nudge you towards Tulo because you can argue a full season of games from them are more valuable than Tulo * likelihood he plays a full season + replacement level filler when he is injured. Pitching though? You can piece that together. Every team is going to come out of a draft deficient somewhere and the easiest position to patch together cheaply/later is pitching.Wouldn't the flipside also be true then?If you pass on Felix, you will not be able to manufacture anything at SP remotely close to his production.If you pass on Tulo and he stays healthy you will not be able to manufacture anything at SS remotely close to his production.
If you pass on Felix and he stays healthy you can still build a pitching staff strong enough to score the most pitching points in your league.
If you pass on Tulo, you can still build a lineup strong enough to secure the most hitting points in your league.
Not even saying I disagree with the essence of your comment, but I fail to see a difference in philosophy. In one instance, you're saying Felix's stats are replaceable over the course of an entire staff but with Tulo you're comparing to one singular position. I don't think you're comparing apples and apples here.