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Turner > Gore (1 Viewer)

Jimboozie

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I've been debating back and forth for the last two weeks myself, since I have the 6th pick and the genius owner in the 5 hole always takes a QB in the first.

While I don't think you can go wrong with either, I've decided Turner is my man.

Now, for my reasoning of Turner > Gore.

-Injury concerns: PUSH

They both have a little bit of concern and question marks. Overall, I'd say Gore is a little bit more of an injury risk (being he had two knee jobs) and that he misses two games a year nearly every year. With Turner, he missed nearly half a season after a heavy workload in 2008. However, both are healthy coming into 2010, so saying one is more injury prone than the other is just pure speculation.

-Schedule: Slight Adv Gore

The 49ers have arguably one of the softest schedules, being in the NFC West---or should i say, NFC Weak---offers favorable matchups, especially the Rams on Week 16 (Fantasy Championship week). On the flip side, the Falcons schedule is also favorable in terms of defenses and during the fantasy playoffs. Looking at the NFC South: The Saints games will be shootouts, Carolina was weak defensively last year and lost Julius Peppers; Tampa Bay is in rebuild mode.

-Competition for touches: Adv Turner

Do not underestimate Brian Westbrook. He's back, and ripped off a nice run in preseason game. Not to mention, he is a Singletary kind of guy, very high character and professional. They also drafted Dixon, who could steal goalline plunges. I think the 49ers want to limit Gore's touches a bit (not a full-blown RBBC, but don't be surprised if his touches to drop a bit). The big selling point of Gore over Turner (in PPR leagues), was that Gore catches a lot of balls while Turner couldn't catch a cold. However, bringing in one of the best pass-catching RBs of all-time has got to cut into Gore's quota.

Switching the focus to Turner, it's true, he has literally no receptions in his career. However, preseason reports are that both the coaching staff and Turner himself want to get him more involved as a receiver. This was evidenced in the preseason game #2 vs the Patriots. I saw him catch a couple of balls in one drive alone. Link: http://www.rtsports.com/football-draft-gui.../michael-turner

Thus, Gore's reception totals are in danger, while Turner's are seemingly going to flourish. No, I don't expect Turner to be a Westbrook type, but even 2-3 catches per game would be a huge value boost.

-Random thoughts

Look at Turner's numbers from last two seasons (when he was healthy). 27 TDs in 1.5 seasons, probably averaging over 100 yards a game (or close to it). Had he not gotten hurt, there would be zero chance that Turner would be available to you at the #6 pick. Going into last year's fantasy drafts, Turner was the consensus #2 pick behind Peterson. Nothing in his team situation or role has changed since then. The Falcons will continue to feed him the rock 20+ times a game. Ryan has another year of experience to help make defenses keep it honest.

In fact, Turner's 2009 injury may have been a blessing in disguise for his 2010 season. That's half a season less of hits and mileage on his body than if he played the full season. As reported, he is fully healthy now and in great shape. Overall, he has much less mileage on him than Gore does. Look at the career carries and receptions, it shouldn't be even close.

While the 49ers offensively do seem to be a team on the rise, I've never had much confidence in Alex Smith. If he were to regress, it could limit Gore's fantasy value. Thus, defenses could pay more attention to Gore, and there could be a lot less scoring opportunities for him, given that drives will stall out more frequently.

-Final thoughts,

While I may seem biased to Turner, let me tell you this has been a grueling, agonizing decision I've been trying to reach over the last couple of weeks. I've flip flopped more times than John Kerry, before finally settling upon the burner. Head over to NFL.com or youtube, search Michael Turner in the Highlights section. Watching the film, I felt a tingle---the guy is a flat out beast. He has amazing power combined with lightning fast speed, unlike many other RBs I've ever seen. While Gore is a very good talent and player himself, he doesn't quite have that awe factor that Turner possesses.

Both players are fine selections for your RB1, but upon close examination, Turner has emerged as the better choice in my eyes.

 
In PPR it is Gore over Turner by a long shot...........
Assuming Gore doesn't come off the field on 3rd down passing situations in favor of Westbrook, and that all of Turner's dedication and work in order to become an effective pass catching back is just a smoke screen to get fantasy owners to overvalue him, I agree.
 
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I'm stuck waffling between Gore and Turner in my draft, too. If I knew Gore would get 12+ rushing TDs and a couple receiving TDs too, it would be an easier decision, but I'm worried he finishes with 9-10 total TDs and Turner has another 16+ TD season.

 
So an well-worn Brian Westbrook (who only signed because the likes of Glenn Coffee retired) is going to really bite into Gore's touches, and a couple of preseason dump-offs means Turner is going to have a lot of PPR value? I don't see it.

I do see Turner having a lot of value in non-PPR leagues. I think the Falcons are ready to contend for the division and Ryan is going to step up. But I think they'll still be a running team and Turner will provide those tough yards. Maybe he catches one pass a game or something, but I don't see it as a priority for them. They have other weapons and a quarterback who can deliver it to them.

Going to the 49ers, it's clear that quarterback is a weak link for them. I see safe passes to Gore and letting him do the heavy lifting. Westbrook is a player you have to coddle a little bit because he's likely to get injured himself. You can't responsibly throw him out there to take punishment other than to give Gore a breather.

I like Gore this year and I play mostly in PPR so I naturally devalue Turner as a result. So maybe I'm wrong. But while I do see the Falcons as emerging in their division, I just don't see Turner catching a lot of passes as a result. And I think the 49ers win their division riding Gore. I see him catching a lot of passes because I don't see their quarterback situation getting a lot better this year.

 
Well, if week 3 of the preseason means anything, Turner had a ton of touches (16 carries) and didn't break 50 yards, while Gore had two and broke the 50 yard mark. Turner got a lot of playing time and didn't have any catches.

With Davis, Crabtree and Morgan, it is hard for opposing D's to key on Gore. He is a proven pass reciever as well. Gore is every bit as explosive as Turner, perhaps more so IMO.

Turner has the GL carries in his favor, but the ATL offense lacks enough weapons to scare defenses away from stacking the box. White is very good, but Gonzo, while still good, doesn't scare anyone anymore. Harry Douglas iis unproven to say the least.

If I were an NFL DC, I'd rather game plan against the Falcons than the 49'ers. I could either put my shut down corner on White (if I had one) or double team him. Then I could put a safety up in the box on Turner. Until he can prove his a pass catching RB, he is a one dimensional threat. When Snelling is in, no reason the change the scheme. Norwood as a CoP would just be integrated into the pass nickle defensive scheme.

SF's offense has more weapons. You can't double Crabtree with Morgan out there, and no LB can cover Davis. Gore can hurt you both running and receiving. So can Westbrook. Dixon looks good enough to keep Gore fresh.

I worry about Turner wearing down when FF playoffs arrive. Gore faces a more favorable schedule. Carolina's D is not bad. They have a stout rush D. They shut the Jets down in PS week 2 very effectively. If NO is going to be a shootout, how many carries does Turner get? Maybe a lot in the 1st half, but the second half?

In two recent drafts I took Gore at 1.05 in a 0.5PPR, and got Turner at 2.02 in a 1PPR, both 12 team leagues. Gore would still be my pick at 1.05. I'm not down on Turner, but I like Gore to have the better year.

 
Glad to see this thread. we hashed it out ith rice included a few weeks ago and i still go back and forth.

Real tough call, I am non ppr and like turner by a hair even over Rice

 
To say Westbrook is no threat to take carries couldn"t be further from the truth. At worst he will be a 3rd down back and cut into some more carries as he learns the offense. The Niners are looking to win the west by default and want to get into Dec-Jan as healthy as possible. Westy missed a handful of games each season carrying the load for Philly, but I think he is good to go with spot duty for SF. I have him for 8-12 touches/game average.

 
Gore is twice the natural talent of Turner. He can make something from nothing. With a revamped oline and improvement at other skill positions, he may have his best season ever.

 
It's amazing to me that people think Westbrook is going to be a threat to Gore. Westbrook was simply brought it to be a savvy veteran backup after Coffee vanished. If Westbrook was so good why did it take so long for a team to pick him up?

Take Gore over Turner in PPR...and don't over think it.

Non -PPR is a different story.

 
It reads like the OP formulated a conclusion first and then worked backwards to try and support it.

 
It's amazing to me that people think Westbrook is going to be a threat to Gore. Westbrook was simply brought it to be a savvy veteran backup after Coffee vanished. If Westbrook was so good why did it take so long for a team to pick him up?

Take Gore over Turner in PPR...and don't over think it.

Non -PPR is a different story.
This is the reason I took Gore at #5 in a PPR league.
 
I rate Gore 3rd in PPR and Turner 4th. (Yes, both ahead of Rice and MJD, but that's another thread.)

As with most of these threads, it has disintegrated into absolute all-or-nothing scenarios. Either Westbrook is there to command each and every RB reception the Niners will have this season, or he is totally worthless and imagining him getting any is pure foolishness. Either Turner's work in the passing game is completely meaningless and he will continue to be a threat to put up a zero reception season, or he's the next Marshall Faulk all of a sudden.

Gore has a favorable schedule. A REALLY favorable schedule. There's no reason he shouldn't continue to be their go to guy in most or all situations, and he's healthy. Despite that, a healthy Westbrook SHOULD be used liberally to spell him, and particularly in 3rd down situations, where no matter how good Gore is, he simply isn't a pass catcher on Westbrook's level. Dixon will certainly get some looks at the goalline. Gore will probably get most of them. On balance, I'd look for quite a few more rushing yards this year, a couple more TD's, and probably 15-20% fewer receptions/receiving yards.

Turner almost HAS to get more involved in the passing game. Ryan's growing as a player, and Atlanta wants to style themselves as a real contender. So they NEED to be more versatile, and apparently, they've been working on it. Now, they still know where their bread is buttered. Throw to Roddy, hand to Burner, dump to Gonzo every now and then. But they need to establish the threat that Turner could swing out and be a threat. Just the switch from "no real chance of that happening," to, "you've got to be aware of that possibility" changes things immensely for opposing defenses, and opens opportunities that the Falcons simply didn't have last year. To establish that, you only need to flare one out a couple times a game. But those...oh...30 odd receptions make a difference, especially when the RB under consideration is a legitimate threat to go1500+/20+ on the ground.

I think both look VERY good in PPR this year. I give Gore a slight nod because it's impossible to overlook the combination of big play ability AND soft schedule. You'd be a fool to project him for multiple 200 yard games. But his situation lends itself to the possibility moreso than most other guys this season, and that possibility gives him a value bump.

 
To say Westbrook is no threat to take carries couldn"t be further from the truth. At worst he will be a 3rd down back and cut into some more carries as he learns the offense. The Niners are looking to win the west by default and want to get into Dec-Jan as healthy as possible. Westy missed a handful of games each season carrying the load for Philly, but I think he is good to go with spot duty for SF. I have him for 8-12 touches/game average.
12 touches a game? no way. You can't look ahead to Dec-Jan when you haven't even played a game yet. You play your best players. Gore gets 20-25 touches and I think Westbrook gets about 5-6 touches.
 
I took Gore at 1.07 in a PPR over Turner who was grabbed with the next pick. As a first time owner I consider Gore to be much more of a injury risk than Turner. Gore hasn't played 16 games since 06'. I hear experts telling you to plan on Gore not playing all 16. Hence you need his handcuff or a player on your roster who has a late game the day you need him. You could have 5 backup RBs and not 1 of them playing that late game. That makes Turner who plays mostly early games even more appealing.

 
I rarely make predictions but if Gore does not get injured and plays every game, he will be #3 rated PPR RB worst case with a real shot at #1. Westbrook will come in when Frank needs a blow or if game is out of hand as Gore is one of the best pass catching backs in the league. The schedule is ridiculously easy, their offensive line is a bunch of run blocking maulers. and I think this will be a career year...I see Frank approaching 20 TD's.

 
I got the 5 pick in 2 drafts...picked Gore in PPR and plan on taking Turner in non-PPR

That way, I only blow one decision :lmao:

 
Excellent post, Happy Ragnorak! ;)

For all those saying "Why was Westbrook a FA until now if he's sooooo good?"

Two reasons: He wanted to go to a winning team, and he wanted to play for a good coach he can respect.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-tota...k-chooses-49ers

Edit - I'm not arguing that this is Westbrook in his prime, and he'll have 70+ catches, but to think that he won't negatively impact Gore's receiving bottom line at all is just absurd.

Moreover, look at Gore's career rushing numbers, you'll notice a concerning trend.

2006 - 312 carries

2007 - 260 carries

2008 - 240 carries

2009 - 229 carries

I think everyone is overrating the schedule differences. Turner has a couple of tough games in the first half of the season, but has pretty clear sledding the rest of the way. On NFL.com strength of schedule rater, the Falcons and 49ers skeds are nearly identical.

 
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To say Westbrook is no threat to take carries couldn"t be further from the truth. At worst he will be a 3rd down back and cut into some more carries as he learns the offense. The Niners are looking to win the west by default and want to get into Dec-Jan as healthy as possible. Westy missed a handful of games each season carrying the load for Philly, but I think he is good to go with spot duty for SF. I have him for 8-12 touches/game average.
12 touches a game? no way. You can't look ahead to Dec-Jan when you haven't even played a game yet. You play your best players. Gore gets 20-25 touches and I think Westbrook gets about 5-6 touches.
lmfao @ Gore getting 400 touches this season.
 
The 4th team is taking a QB, with the 5th pick i have to choose between, rice, turner and gore. Non-ppr, really thinking about going with turner.

 
To say Westbrook is no threat to take carries couldn"t be further from the truth. At worst he will be a 3rd down back and cut into some more carries as he learns the offense. The Niners are looking to win the west by default and want to get into Dec-Jan as healthy as possible. Westy missed a handful of games each season carrying the load for Philly, but I think he is good to go with spot duty for SF. I have him for 8-12 touches/game average.
12 touches a game? no way. You can't look ahead to Dec-Jan when you haven't even played a game yet. You play your best players. Gore gets 20-25 touches and I think Westbrook gets about 5-6 touches.
lmfao @ Gore getting 400 touches this season.
He does have to play 16 games this season to get 400 touches, but he will get 17-20 carries and 3-5 catches easily each game he plays. Track record says he won't stay healthy for 16 games, and Westbrook will fill in nicely if Gore sits a few games, but when Gore is healthy and plays, I don't think Westbrook averages more than 5 touches a game.
 
SF is a running team while Atlanta will have more passing in the mix. PPR makes it a lot easier with Gore.
I pick # 7 in my upcoming draft, and I expect that Rodgers will go in the top 5, and if Andre goes at # 6, I will be choosing between Gore and Turner. I've been going back and forth on this for awhile. My ;eague is a modified PPR (1 point for every 3 receptions). If it was a true PPR, then Gore would be the obvious choice. If it was a non-PPR, then I would go with Turner. But with the modified PPR, I really am torn. Actually, I am hoping Andre falls to me at 7--now that would make my decision easier !
 
I saw a short interview with Westbrook (sorry no link) and he didn't sound like anybody being brought in to take touches away from Gore. I believe he said he was brought in to spell Gore when he gets tired or something like that. I an not worried about Gore getting less touches. I think last year was just about his floor.

 
I like Gore better in both formats, though only slightly in non-ppr.

Westbrook, really? He's already injured again after a few snaps. Besides you seem to be overlooking the fact that Gore is one of the best receiving backs in the NFL as well... and he's younger than Westbrook and actually less injury prone. On both running and passing downs Gore is their best back.

 
Gore is twice the natural talent of Turner. He can make something from nothing. With a revamped oline and improvement at other skill positions, he may have his best season ever.
I would agree with that in general.any word on how those first round picks for the O-Line are performing?
 
To say Westbrook is no threat to take carries couldn"t be further from the truth. At worst he will be a 3rd down back and cut into some more carries as he learns the offense. The Niners are looking to win the west by default and want to get into Dec-Jan as healthy as possible. Westy missed a handful of games each season carrying the load for Philly, but I think he is good to go with spot duty for SF. I have him for 8-12 touches/game average.
NO WAY!!!!!! He is gonna see maybe, MAYBE, 6-8 touches a game, and even then it wont be consistent. Gore is the horse and they are gonna ride him unless blowing someone out in 4th, then I could see Dixon come in for the heavy hauling and sprinkling in Westy here n there. Westbrooks best days are far behind him, and anybody who thinks he is a threat to Gore's touches is fooling themselves.
 
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To say Westbrook is no threat to take carries couldn"t be further from the truth. At worst he will be a 3rd down back and cut into some more carries as he learns the offense. The Niners are looking to win the west by default and want to get into Dec-Jan as healthy as possible. Westy missed a handful of games each season carrying the load for Philly, but I think he is good to go with spot duty for SF. I have him for 8-12 touches/game average.
NO WAY!!!!!! He is gonna see maybe, MAYBE, 6-8 touches a game, and even then it wont be consistent. Gore is the horse and they are gonna ride him unless blowing someone out in 4th, then I could see Dixon come in for the heavy hauling and sprinkling in Westy here n there. Westbrooks best days are far behind him, and anybody who thinks he is a threat to Gore's touches is fooling themselves.
There are only ever (at most) a couple players in the NFL who don't have somebody (or -bodies) threatening to take some touches away. Gore has never been one of those guys, and the talent he's sharing the backfield with looks as good or better than ever. I do think he's a horse. I do think he's a three down back. I just also happen to think you're fooling yourself if you think he's going to be one of those guys who gets in the neighborhood of 300 carries AND a full complement of RB receptions, to boot.SF looks for real this year. They're going to want to play the game in the way that keeps them in the best shape to make a play at the postseason. And their schedule is a relative breeze. They went out and acquired guys who can catch the ball out of the backfield and take some punishing short yardage beatings precisely so they could keep Gore as fresh as possible all year long.Singletary would have to be an idiot to feed the ball to Gore like a vintage Tomlinson. He doesn't need to, and it's not in Gore's or the team's best interests.Gore will be awesome this year. Just not legendarily awesome.
 
had the 1.6 in non-ppr/redraft league yesterday. took turner didn't really even gore a thought. as someone who owned gore in dynasty leagues, no way was i hinging my 1st rounder on a guy who hasn't played 16 games except 1 time in 5 years.

 
Turner went 1.5 in my PPR draft, ahead of Gore. Gore does have some issues and some people will be looking to go another direction. Talent only takes you so far.

 
Turner went 1.5 in my PPR draft, ahead of Gore. Gore does have some issues and some people will be looking to go another direction. Talent only takes you so far.
Given the fact that MJD may or may not be dealing with an injury and Ray Rice gives up most goal line touches. I think that you would be justified taking Turner at #3 in the draft.
 
Turner went 1.5 in my PPR draft, ahead of Gore. Gore does have some issues and some people will be looking to go another direction. Talent only takes you so far.
Given the fact that MJD may or may not be dealing with an injury and Ray Rice gives up most goal line touches. I think that you would be justified taking Turner at #3 in the draft.
I'm following this thread because we pick #4 in the draft - haven't seen any picking from the 4th spot threads yet? I'm thinking the guy picking #3 is taking Rodgers (huge Green Bay fan), and he thinks QB's give him the most points. Well, in a non PPR that leaves the top RB's and AJ to the rest of the top 6 drafting. I realize Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson most likely go #1 and #2. So....here we are again. How do you rate the order of MJD, Gore, Rice, and Turner? Process of elimination leaves out Rice - not enough TD's. MJD - injury most likely not an issue, Jax in general is. Gore or Turner? Now it becomes upside. We had Gore last year...nothing sexy especially his name. Turner just seems to be a TD juggernutt. He admitted hiding in a cave last year and got lazy with too much body fat. Seems like he turned himself around. I see his upside to 16-20 TD's and 100+ yards in at least half his games. In our method of scoring Turner is the choice. But damn, not sure we can pull the trigger and instead take the safer bet with MJD.My gut says the fantasy year with these RB's (non PPR) finishes like this:1) Chris Johnson - primed and ready, great talent2) Michael Turner - turner the burner, a beast, in shape, Atlanta contends3) Adrian Peterson - solid, not spectacular, Favre fading4) Frank Gore - worth his pick, SF primed to be in the playoffs5) Ryan Mathews - enter new blood, just a got a feeling about him6) Maurice Jones Drew - good year nothing great7) Deangelo Williams - plenty of TD's and good yardage8) Shonn Greene - JETS JETS JETS9) Steven Jackson - will get his10) Ray Rice - plenty of catches and yardage, not enough TD'sAnd just like every other projection including FBG's it never goes according to Hoyle - never! Someone always disappoints and someone always surprises. :hey: If my Aunt had balls.
 
I picked 7th last night and had my choice of Gore, Turner or AJ and I took Gore, but I had every intention of drafting Turner if Gore was gone.

I value in that order and I think Gore and Turner are in for monster years!

 
I'll be surprised if Turner doesn't score 12 TD's and rush for 1300 yards this year.

I'll be shocked if Gore surpasses either of those numbers.

Give me Turner every single time.

 
I took Gore over Turner even in the non-ppr.
Yah, Gore > Turner in all formats. Better runner, better receiver, less competition (you guys on the Westbrook taking touches bandwagon are fools), less injury risk, and better situation. Its not even close IMO.
 
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Guy in out league took Turner at 5 instead of his yearly QB pick, so ended up with Gore after all. Let's hope you guys are right, as there seems to be quite a few more Gore lovers than Turner ones.

 

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