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Twins now will be without Garza and Silva. Does this mean they are trying to manuever to keep Santana? Twins needed a big stick and Tampa needed another starter so this deal makes sense to me even though I think the Twins are coming out slightly ahead player-wise.
I think it helps the Rays more in the standings while the Twins got a little more talent. But I agree, good trade for both as the Twins dealt from their deepest pool, and the Rays did the same while both addressed their biggest weaknesses.
Potential ace for a potential all star OF. And sadly, Harris is their best hitting middle infielder by far.
Garza and Morlan will be good pitchers and Bartlett is only a slight downgrade from Harris. Meanwhile, Delmon gets a change of scenery and perhaps he'll blossom in Minnesota. 
Good deal for both teams, IMO. Slight advantage might have to go to the Rays.
I'm going to guess this cools off the Crawford rumors, but potentially starts up the Kazmir rumors. With the Santana/Haren deals floating around the Rays could end up looking good. I'm still not exactly sold on this deal from TBs perspective unless they make further moves.
Not necessarily, there are some who don't ever think he'll be become a patient enough hitter to really be a stud, plus is IsoP was fairly low this year and he's known to be a headcase.
Read my post above. I agree here. I may not think the Rays got "taken" per se, but what the #### are they thinking trading a 21 year old stud who is not even arbitration eligible for a while. Plus, they traded for a potential stud pitcher, when they have been collecting potential stud pitchers for years now via the draft. They had a perfectly tradeable Carl Crawford who could have fetched a top of the line, major league proven pitcher and kept Young for years. I like this trade a whole lot more for the Twins than I do for the Rays. Twins have a bunch of decent young arms in the wings, and traded one for a guy that can be plugged right into the middle of their lineup. Maybe Delmon Young makes Elijah Dukes seem like a saint, who knows
He just turned 21 and hit 288 with 93 rbi's over the course of one full major league season.During his time in AA, his OBP hovered around .400 and his OPS was nearly 1.000
Have to disagree here. If the Twins don't resign Santana, they have to trade him before the season starts. Right now only about 5 major league teams can afford him. If they wait until the trade deadline, who knows if 2 of teh 5 teams are out of contention. Plus Santana has a no trade clause. He gave the Twins permission to shop him now. Unless the Twins buyout his no trade clause, he will have leverage to nix any deal at the trade deadline. Factor in that Santana needs to keep up numbers and health to get a king's ransom. If Santana does pitch lights out, what will he command if he decides to become a rent-a-player and test the FA market?Way too much to gamble on. Sign him or trade him.
Bartlett is not a good defensive SS. He has range, but never makes any highlight grabs. Range is about alll he has. He'll boot routine grounders and some of his throws are all over the place. He had something like 26 errors, and would have had a lot more if Morneau didn't bail him out on a bunch of throws.However he has speed on the bases, and should develope into a decent hitter.
If you are a Twins fan, you'll really appreciate what Barlett did after about a week of watching Harris. We had Lugo here before Harris and he had the same scouting report as Bartlett so we're use to it
Didn't a majority of those errors occur when Bartlett was playing with an injury? IIRC, he really firmed up his D after that healed, and most advanced scouting metrics (+/-, UZR, etc.) have him as a pretty good defender.If you are a Twins fan, you'll really appreciate what Barlett did after about a week of watching Harris. We had Lugo here before Harris and he had the same scouting report as Bartlett so we're use to it
Horrible. Why didn't they do crap like this? And Phil Nevin..I make this trade 10 times out of 10 if I'm the Twins. Kudos to them for shaking things up. Young looks to be an uberstud in the making. I don't think anyone got "taken" per se, but I think there's a fair bit more certainty from the Twins' perspective. Garza will be good, but damn.. it's always a crap shoot with pitching. I'll be curious to see how Garza fairs in that microdome in Tampa.I'm about 50-50 on Santana staying. I think this might be the time to cash out for max value, but I'd also be inclined to keep him. The fans aren't high on dealing top shelf guys even if you do get value (or releasing them ala David Ortiz.. god that still stings), and it's probably not likely you're going to get a sure-fire starter in exchange. (Letting Hunter go was fine in my book.. the guy is older and is fairly inconsistent. Not worth paying him off.) The Yanks are probably the only team that will part with enough pieces to make it interesting. The problem is that I'm not a Melky fan even though they could certainly use someone like him. Still a lot of holes to fill.
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I don't think the Twins really "gave up" on Garza. It's not like they waived him or traded him for future considerations. Delmon Young, a former #1 overall pick and projected superstar, came to Minnesota in this deal. You gotta give something up to get a player like that. Garza is a nice pitcher, but Young had the higher ceiling (and still does).
Twins were loaded with pitching prospects and needed bats. Garza had a few issues with coaching (mainly they wanted him to learn a third pitch and he was good with the two) so it probably didn't break their hearts to part with him for Delmon, who at one point was ranked the #1 position player prospect in the league if I remember correctly. Too bad he sucks now and Garza is winning playoff MVPs.argggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
Yea, he had some personality clashes with Gardenhire
Garza may need a Billy Mays ladder to get to that ceiling while Garza only needs a footstool.Young is his own worst enemy. He is uncoachable and only took two seasons in major league baseball to piss off two clubhouses. I have a buddy with access to the Minnesota locker room and he's already sent me the "now I see what you were talking about" message.I don't think the Twins really "gave up" on Garza. It's not like they waived him or traded him for future considerations. Delmon Young, a former #1 overall pick and projected superstar, came to Minnesota in this deal. You gotta give something up to get a player like that. Garza is a nice pitcher, but Young had the higher ceiling (and still does).
I agree. I live in MN and am a big Twins fan. The Twins didn't give up on Garza. Every offseason there is big pressure by fans and sports radio to get a big bat. When this trade went down everyone here was excited to get Delmon and not that upset to lose Garza. I knew Garza was good, but at that time the Twins had Santana, Baker, Liriano, Blackburn, and Boof was still relevant...so Garza was a could be traded and had a lot of value. I knew Torii was going to leave so adding Delmon seemed like a good move. Also, Delmon is only 23 so it's not like he's a total bust.
