Twitter Executives Detail Plans For Widespread Political Censorship (1/24 19:48 PST) (1 Viewer)

[GordonGekko]

“.....'Every record was destroyed or falsified...every (single) book rewritten... every picture repainted...every statue and street building renamed and every date altered.... And this process is continuing day by day and minute by minute.... History has now stopped.... Nothing exists except an endless present.... where the Party is always right.”  -  George Orwell, “1984”

TOPIC NARRATIVE:

Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Twitter Head Of Legal Policy (Trust & Safety) Vijaya Gadde openly discuss on video about planning to roll out widespread political censorship ( including retroactives to the past to meet the shifting internal policy) based on "coded rhetoric".  It's clear that a small handful of unelected civilians with no actual oversight are in charge of the national political narrative on social media, where over 70 percent of all Americans are primarily receiving their news information. Gadde openly admits that Twitter wants to evaluate and enforce against how they (this small handful of people) will define how the public at large will "interpret" these controversial tweets instead of letting people actually interpret those messages for themselves. Gadde says Trump's tweets during the Capitol riots were inciting violence but cannot pinpoint which one specifically do so. She also says Twitter actually escalated past their established policy and then banned and then unbanned and then permanently banned because the optics of Trump asking for protesters to stop the violence and go home would create distrust of Twitter HQ by the general public. Jack Dorsey says he will enforce based on "conduct" but the larger question is who gets to define what is acceptable conduct? That same small group of people? Dorsey also talks about safety being the priority but all indications that violent riots are being planned and advertised on his platform. As well as child pornography.

QUESTIONS TO RAISE OPEN DISCUSSION:

Do you believe Twitter should continue to receive Section 230 protection under the law?

Do you agree with Dorsey, Gadde and Twitter's overall decision making and policy here?

How would you change the format to better balance the need for free speech with the need for public safety?

Do you believe Twitter's policies have been consistent?

How would you define "coded rhetoric"?

Should Twitter and it's enforcement actively "evaluate" how people will actually "interpret" social media messages? What should be the litmus to this?

***VIDEO***: Twitter Senior Executive Vijaya Gadde Details Plans for Political Censorship on a Global Scale •Jan 18, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkQgTY5_cF0

***VIDEO***: Twitter Insider Secretly Records CEO Jack Dorsey Detailing Agenda For Further Political Censorship •Jan 14, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhHg8QXTE8

Direct Headline: 'Burn down DC': Violence that erupted at Capitol was incited by pro-Trump mob on social media

Violent rhetoric including threats against elected officials and police officers flooded all social media platforms including Facebook, Twitter and Google's YouTube, not just online forums popular with extremists. 

Jessica Guynn USA TODAY 1/06/2021 4:57 PM

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/01/06/trump-riot-twitter-parler-proud-boys-boogaloos-antifa-qanon/6570794002/

Direct Headline: Andy Ngo: Twitter Did Nothing to Stop Antifa Planning, Promoting Riots in Portland, Seattle

By Katabella Roberts and Jan Jekielek January 23, 2021

https://www.theepochtimes.com/andy-ngo-twitter-did-nothing-to-stop-antifa-planning-promoting-riots-in-portland-seattle_3666885.html

Direct Headline: Twitter Faces Lawsuit for Allegedly Refusing to Remove Child Porn Weeks After Purging Right-Wing Accounts

By Michael Austin January 21, 2021 at 5:44pm

https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-faces-lawsuit-allegedly-refusing-remove-child-porn-weeks-purging-right-wing-accounts/

 

[GordonGekko]

"....'Those who vote decide (absolutely) nothing..... Those who count the vote decide (absolutely) everything." - Joseph Stalin

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"...( Vijaya Gadde, Twitter Head Of Legal Policy for Trust & Safety)...... (we are)....continuing our evaluation.... of how these tweets are received and (being) interpreted'........"

“.......(Gadde).....we've seen violence...as a clear result ... of coded rhetoric'......”

".....(Gadde)... 'this is our clear global approach....we need to enforce these policies... at scale'......"

".... (Gadde on Twitter employees mass letter demanding Trump be permanently suspended)...'Trump's tweets are inciting violence... the question becomes which ones are (doing so)?'...."

"...(Gadde on why she leapfrogged previous policy precedent to permanently suspend Trump instead of holding the standard 12 hour banning)...'we wanted to build trust (with Twitter's public audience to justify the banning)....considering there were messages (Trump made)...asking protesters to leave peacefully...."

".....(Gadde on 'retros' i.e. going back and global permanent banning for older tweets that now violate the moving goalposts on the inconsistent policy)....we are going to fold retros... into our Civic Integrity Policy..."

"....(Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey)....'We are doing everything (we possible can).... to ensure that Twitter.... is (always) being used in a positive way'......."

".....(Dorsey).... we are focused on this one Trump account right now.... but this all going to be much bigger... than just this one single account...our priority is safety'...."

".... (Dorsey)....'What is hate speech (to us)?... We (will) look at the conduct'......"

“.....(Andy Ngo, Journalist and author of Unmasked: Inside Antifa’s Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy).....'In Seattle and Portland.... there were clearly simultaneous riots that were pre-planned and organized...Twitter did nothing to take( those messages) down .... these accounts that were clearly promoting these riots'.....(Antifa) destroyed it (Portland), they smashed out every single window...Some of them actually came with firebombs... (and)intended to torch down the place'...."

"......Only mere weeks after banning then-President Donald Trump..... along with tens of thousands of right-wing and conservative accounts.... Twitter  faces a lawsuit for allegedly refusing to remove child pornography from its platform.... Twitter replied to ( the complaint), saying it didn’t find a violation of the company’s stated policies....It wasn’t until the Department of Homeland Security intervened.... that the posts were taken down...."

".....Trump's Twitter account and his campaign account....has been censored, suppressed, and limited 583 times since May 31, 2018...... Since Dec. 21, both accounts have received 40 more (fact checking) labels.... Former Vice President Joe Biden and his campaign.... have not been censored at all....."

".....(Kate Ruane, Legal Counsel, ACLU).....' it should concern everyone when companies like Facebook and Twitter wield the unchecked power to remove people from (social media) platforms.... that have become indispensable for the speech of billions (of people) ...President Trump can turn his press team or Fox News to communicate with the (general) public, but others ( rank and file Americans)… who have been censored by these social media companies...will not have that luxury.'......."

".....On Twitter, between Jan. 1 and Jan. 6, ..... 1,480 posts from QAnon-related accounts referenced Jan. 6 and contained violent terms or threats....On Facebook, (private and public groups) urged open civil war if Democrats were not arrested for election interference...(one such) video encouraged (all) protesters to bring pepper spray, tear gas, batons, tasers and knives...."

 

[GordonGekko]

“....'On some positions, Cowardice then asks the question, 'Is it safe?' ....Expediency then asks the question, 'Is it political?' .... And Vanity comes along too and asks the next question, 'Is it popular?'.... But then Conscience asks the (important) question, 'Is it right?'..... “  - Martin Luther King Jr

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL:

Direct Headline: Twitter Censors Trump and Campaign 583 Times, Still Never Biden

Heather Moon December 28th, 2020 11:05 AM

https://newsbusters.org/blogs/techwatch/heather-moon/2020/12/28/twitter-censors-trump-and-campaign-583-times-still-never

Direct Headline: Here are six videos of Democrats calling for violence or physical confrontations that are still active on Twitter

by Emma Colton  January 11, 2021 05:44 PM

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democrats-physically-confont-twitter

Direct Headline: ACLU Warns of ‘Unchecked Power’ After Facebook, Twitter Suspend Trump

By Jack Phillips January 10, 2021

https://www.theepochtimes.com/aclu-warns-of-unchecked-power-after-facebook-twitter-suspend-trump_3650715.html

VIDEO: Twitter's Vijaya Gadde gives insight on meeting with President Trump •Jun 11, 2019

Twitter's legal, policy and trust & safety lead spoke about the company's meeting with President Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIvz1gPQaGA

Direct Headline: Twitter, Facebook: $51 Billion Combined Market Value Erased Since Trump Ban

By Isabel van Brugen  January 14, 2021

https://www.theepochtimes.com/twitter-facebook-51-billion-combined-market-value-erased-since-trump-ban_3656442.html

 

[GordonGekko]

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL (TWITTER POLICY):

VIDEO: Tim Pool Tells Twitter Exec They Have a Liberal Bias | JRE Twitter Special •Mar 5, 2019

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbTXqrS9l5E

VIDEO: Twitter's Tweet Removal Process | JRE Twitter Special •Mar 5, 2019

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ny_aZaxI4

VIDEO: How Twitter Determines Hate Speech | Joe Rogan •Feb 1, 2019

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1236 w/Jack Dorsey:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F9PVb3K8-4

VIDEO: Sunlight is the Best Disinfectant | JRE Twitter Special •Mar 5, 2019

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfB8_zqvmnQ

 

[GordonGekko]

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL (TWITTER TEST CASES):

VIDEO: Why is Antifa Allowed On Twitter When Proud Boys Aren't? | JRE Twitter Special •Mar 5, 2019

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3iN8NVJewo

VIDEO: Tim Pool Asks Twitter Execs About Election Meddling & US Law | JRE Twitter Special •Mar 5, 2019

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2ouS_JF7U

VIDEO: Was Twitter Biased During the Covington Kids Outrage? | Twitter Podcast Special •Mar 5, 2019

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lp5DVEOYN4

VIDEO: How Jack Dorsey Feels About Government Regulation of Twitter | JRE Twitter Special •Mar 5, 2019

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4UyKv5lReE

VIDEO (ENTIRE PODCAST): Joe Rogan Experience #1258 - Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde & Tim Pool • Mar 5, 2019

Jack Dorsey is a computer programmer and Internet entrepreneur who is co-founder and CEO of Twitter, and founder and CEO of Square, a mobile payments company. Vijaya Gadde serves as the global lead for legal, policy, and trust and safety at Twitter. Tim Pool is an independent journalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCBRHOg3PQ

 

[GordonGekko]

ANALYSIS:

"....'In a time of (overwhelming) deceit.... telling the absolute truth.... is a revolutionary act"......."  - George Orwell

When Gadde says “disabled engagements”, she just means plain outright censorship for anything against her own political ideology and the collective Twitter employee group-think at work.

When Gadde says Trump’s deescalation tweets during the Capitol riots are “a risk”, she no longer gets to claim herself as a neutral actor in this entire mess.

When Gadde says "coded rhetoric", she is referring to things she can make an arbitrary call over with zero oversight. I.E. now the public can't question any elections on Twitter after four full years of allowing "Trump stole the 2016 election"

When Gadde says "importance" and "significance", she is stating she should decide what is important and what shall be significant to millions of Americans without question.

When Gadde says “unreliable information”, she's not asking if the information true, she's only stating how it impacts the narrative that Twitter HQ wants and whether it lines up with that measuring stick of acceptability.

When Gadde says "retro" in terms of permanent banning, she's justifying the goal posts moving for Twitter HQ's vision of a utopian paradise.

When Gadde says "our enforcement actions" and "our punitive action against the president", she means that she and Dorsey have declared themselves the new non elected oversight unto what should be allowed in the nation's daily media cycle.

When Dorsey talks about violations of "conduct" to determine hate speech, he's referring to political ideology he finds repugnant.

What's the real playbook here?

1) Drive this clearly Marxist agenda with tactics used in re-education camps throughout the worst parts of human history

2) Censor and silence any dissent because the truth is now just repackaged and openly declared misinformation

3) Accuse your opposition of what you are doing yourself and feign outrage over it all.

4) Use inciting buzzwords and Twitter bite sized taglines to deflect the Average American from realizing the real atrocities happening to all those plebs that are deemed to be beneath the wealthy social elite.

Remember this and never forget it - Radical woke cancel culture lefties believe the conservative minded are completely irredeemable, toxic, and should not be part of this society. As such toward this insane political tribalistic narrative, they will never make any real effort to truly reason with you. They will never make any genuine effort to understand what you're saying, show empathy nor look at your worldview through your perspective. Any talk of unity refers to the kind of utopian paradise they've concocted in their heads after the conservative minded have been fully purged. Any talk of unity and peace from them refers to what's left behind after you've been baptized in fire from their purity tests.

For all the liberals here, and I don't count you among the woke cancel culture radical lefties, you are next in line. No ideology that is built upon silencing and eliminating dissent ever really stops the purging. You are next. So are your children.

 

[AAABatteries]

Why does the forum time on the post never match the title time?  That’s the real conspiracy - I think Gekko is from the future - but only by 13 minutes.

 

[squistion]

 Dorsey also talks about safety being the priority but all indications that violent riots are being planned and advertised on his platform. As well as child pornography. 

So...all indications are that child pornography is being planned and advertised on Twitter?

Yeah, right...

 

[knowledge dropper]

Great stuff as always. 

 

[BladeRunner]

Liberals don't care because it massively benefits them.  Don't look down the road, right now is what is important.

 

[Captain Cranks]

@gordon gekko It didn't go unnoticed that you ignored my question on whether you believe Trump is involved in child sex trafficking.  I mean, he's part of the rich and powerful elite that you're suggesting run these operations, so it stands to reason he'd be involved.  Still waiting to hear back on this.  

 

[beer 30]

How long does it take you to put these posts together? With the bolding, and spacing and linking, I'm just overwhelmed at the grandeur. 

 

[AAABatteries]

How long does it take you to put these posts together? With the bolding, and spacing and linking, I'm just overwhelmed at the grandeur. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this is a copy and past job from some right-wing website.  There was some alias a while back that was doing it pretty consistently.  If not, that's some serious dedication.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Looking at the number of responses in each thread, I am guessing that most everyone is overwhelmed, but not at the grandeur.

You have 2 already.  You must be engaged with the content, right?

 

[beer 30]

You have 2 already.  You must be engaged with the content, right?

It's the  effect for me. Never could look away.

You'll note, I rarely, if ever, contribute any meaningful content to the site 

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Great stuff as always. 

Liberals don't care because it massively benefits them.  Don't look down the road, right now is what is important.

You have 2 already.  You must be engaged with the content, right?

Looks like we have a choice of trying to discuss content with these guys or Gekko? 

Gekko is sort of like John Nash (Russell Crowe) in A beautiful mind. There is a sharp mind at work, but impossible to engage with. I mean who is reading that world salad over 6 lengthy posts, let alone digesting it and considering a response. 

Yet soon enough, there will be another new thread going over something else in the exact same manner. I mean most of the replies are about the poster and not the content. Thats a failure in being able to deliver a message.

Left wing posters want to have their ideas challenged and debated, but we either get the above or overload. 

 

[HellToupee]

Great stuff as always. 

I always enjoy reading GGs  posts

 

[BladeRunner]

Looks like we have a choice of trying to discuss content with these guys or Gekko? 

Gekko is sort of like John Nash (Russell Crowe) in A beautiful mind. There is a sharp mind at work, but impossible to engage with. I mean who is reading that world salad over 6 lengthy posts, let alone digesting it and considering a response. 

Yet soon enough, there will be another new thread going over something else in the exact same manner. I mean most of the replies are about the poster and not the content. Thats a failure in being able to deliver a message.

Left wing posters want to have their ideas challenged and debated, but we either get the above or overload. 

Look at this guy, complaining about posters talking about posters (instead of content) as he's talking about posters (instead of content).

Go bake a cake.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Looks like we have a choice of trying to discuss content with these guys or Gekko? 

Gekko is sort of like John Nash (Russell Crowe) in A beautiful mind. There is a sharp mind at work, but impossible to engage with. I mean who is reading that world salad over 6 lengthy posts, let alone digesting it and considering a response. 

Yet soon enough, there will be another new thread going over something else in the exact same manner. I mean most of the replies are about the poster and not the content. Thats a failure in being able to deliver a message.

Left wing posters want to have their ideas challenged and debated, but we either get the above or overload. 

I agree is can be hard to condense, but it should be concerning for all of us not matter what side you are on.   The side in power has ro realize it will only be a matter of time before they are censured as well and then none of us will have any type of voice.

 

[AAABatteries]

You'll note, I rarely, if ever, contribute any meaningful content to the site 

 

 

[tymarsas]

I agree is can be hard to condense, but it should be concerning for all of us not matter what side you are on.   The side in power has ro realize it will only be a matter of time before they are censured as well and then none of us will have any type of voice.

I look forward to the day that Twitter censors everyone and they cease to exist. We survived for many years before Twitter and I am sure we will survive after them.

 

[jon_mx]

Big Brother is here and it is as bad as what Orwell dreamed up.  Every body is good with being watched, listened to and tracked 24/7.  Just because it is not the government doing it, does not make it any less dangerous.  The people who stormed the Capitol posed no real danger to our Democracy.   The real danger has been the response and the big power grab by a few powerful corporate monopolies who used it as an excuse to deny the right of people to be heard.   It disgusts me to the core that people don't care because it is targeted at them people.  

 

[tymarsas]

Big Brother is here and it is as bad as what Orwell dreamed up.  Every body is good with being watched, listened to and tracked 24/7.  Just because it is not the government doing it, does not make it any less dangerous.  The people who stormed the Capitol posed no real danger to our Democracy.   The real danger has been the response and the big power grab by a few powerful corporate monopolies who used it as an excuse to deny the right of people to be heard.   It disgusts me to the core that people don't care because it is targeted at them people.  

What do you think is the recourse for Twitter banning people? What do you think should happen to Twitter?

 

[GoBirds]

Liberals don't care because it massively benefits them.  Don't look down the road, right now is what is important.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Liberals don't care because it massively benefits them.  Don't look down the road, right now is what is important.

Are they talking about just censoring Republicans?  I thought this was for all politics. 

Most politicians don't need Twitter anyways.  They are able to communicate and answer questions the old fashioned way.

 

[Mile High]

Are they talking about just censoring Republicans?  I thought this was for all politics. 

Most politicians don't need Twitter anyways.  They are able to communicate and answer questions the old fashioned way.

Exactly. Politicians need to not use Twitter as their voice. I can see why a lying cheating con man wants to use Twitter. 

 

[rct]

Big Brother is here and it is as bad as what Orwell dreamed up.  Every body is good with being watched, listened to and tracked 24/7.  Just because it is not the government doing it, does not make it any less dangerous.  The people who stormed the Capitol posed no real danger to our Democracy.   The real danger has been the response and the big power grab by a few powerful corporate monopolies who used it as an excuse to deny the right of people to be heard.   It disgusts me to the core that people don't care because it is targeted at them people.  

Yes, the insurrectionists who stormed and occupied the Capitol in an attempted coup with the plan to assassinate Pelosi and hang Pence posed no real danger to our democracy - it was those Orwellian Twitter folks we really have to worry about.  

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

These posts remind me of this local special needs lady that used to call into radio talk shows.  Thankfully nobody made fun of her.  It would go like this:

"We have Debbie on the line, go ahead Debbie"

"I think the Jets 1,23

will be just fine 4,8

and that Sam Darnold who is so cute 23,7

is going to be 15,13

a great player. 32, 6. "

"I agree! Thanks Debbie! Next Caller!"

 

[GordonGekko]

So...all indications are that child pornography is being planned and advertised on Twitter?

Yeah, right...

Direct Headline: Twitter lets pedophiles publicly discuss their sexual ‘attraction to minors,’ scholar argues By Cara Curtis  January 2020

https://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2020/01/09/twitter-lets-pedophiles-publicly-discuss-their-sexual-attraction-to-minors-scholar-argues/

https://twitter.com/mike_salter/status/1212888057252171776

https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-09-at-11.51.46-AM.png

Direct Headline: EXCLUSIVE: Pedophiles are using Twitter to share child porn

A new investigation by The Post Millennial reveals that the distribution of child pornography is happening in plain sight on Twitter.

Anna Slatz and Ian Miles Cheong  July 1, 2020 10:00 AM

https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-pedophiles-are-using-twitter-to-share-child-porn

Direct Headline: Anonymous lists Twitter handles of suspected pedophiles

By Matt Liebowitz June 2012

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47690302

Direct Headline: ICE, international partners arrest 113 child predators - November 12, 2020

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-international-partners-arrest-113-child-predators

Direct Headline: Pedophiles want photos shared on social media. Here's what to know before you post a picture of kids

"To you, it might be innocent," said a police detective. "To this pedophile, it's like a prize. It's like, 'This is amazing. Someone just gave me this for free.'"

Melissa Correa  2:26 PM CST November 21, 2019

https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/pedophiles-are-looking-for-photos-of-your-kids-on-social-media/285-c69166b1-7387-48ac-ae6d-cb53d907562a

**TWITTER'S ACTUAL TERMS OF SERVICE:  "Discussions related to child sexual exploitation...as a phenomenon...or attraction towards minors...is permitted...."**

"......'Twitter ... changed its guidelines last March.... to allow (open) public discussion about "attraction towards minors'......."

"...... speculated that ‘minor-attracted people’ may be (openly) permitted to (use Twitter and stay within the bounds of the TOS) discuss ‘attraction to minors’ ..... because of encouragement from (some) forensic psychiatrists..... who want their patients to have an outlet to discuss their issues.'........"

".......' child protection and abuse prevention experts weren’t consulted'.......(Activists for this new guideline change said) .... 'we are concerned that Twitter’s recent suspension of the accounts .....may have been a knee-jerk response to uninformed public pressure...... rather than a reasoned decision made in the very best interests of (all) children'......”

"......'In the last year, pedophile networks on Twitter have increased/exploded..... including (many) users who endorse contact offending....(openly) justify child sexual abuse material.... and (will now) demand access to child sexual abuse dolls.'....."

"......'Twitter’s head of product has endorsed/making massive changes to encrypting Twitter’s DM (direct messaging) function..... (tell me) what else could Twitter do to make its platform.... more (openly) user friendly for pedophiles?

".....'For(more than) twenty plus years... these tech (and social media) companies have buried their heads in the sand when it comes to online pedophilia...... Pedophiles need early intervention, treatment and support for real (lasting) behavior change...... They do not need a public forum to discuss their (open) sexual attraction to children.'...."

(U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) ..... arrested 113 alleged child predators across the U.S. and in South America....during phase seven of Operation Protected Childhood (OPC VII) ..... 781 arrests and 1,383 executed search warrants since 2017)

".....'provided (clear) information indicating that the target of investigation..... had (frequently) used the Facebook Messenger .... to distribute files of child pornography.'...."

".......'indicating that a (suspected) target at the residence..... had used Twitter direct messaging..... to (privately) distribute (mass) files of child pornography.'...."

".....(HPD Sexual Crimes Investigator Menendez-Sierra).... 'confirmed that pedophiles are on social media all the time..... using the (same) mainstream pages adults and children use.... to share (illegal) photos....They live on (social media)... and (habit any medium).... to do with photos'...."

*****

It's not just this current "John Doe" case that I listed in the original thread context.

Anyone here, especially those of you whom are parents, enjoy Twitter officially labeling these online predators as "minor-attracted people"?  Anyone happy that Twitter allowed pro pedophile lobbyists to actually have the balls to say allowing these online predators, who are demanding the creation of sex dolls that look like your kids, to be near YOUR CHILDREN on their platform and that is "in the best interests of all children" and is merely an "outlet for their issues"?

Conservatives? Silenced.

Pedophiles? Child molesters? Those kiddie rapists who want sexual dolls made to look like YOUR children? Let's change the rules of Twitter to make it easier for those mother f******ers to hide in the shadows and hunt down ALL YOUR KIDS. 

 

[jon_mx]

Yes, the insurrectionists who stormed and occupied the Capitol in an attempted coup with the plan to assassinate Pelosi and hang Pence posed no real danger to our democracy - it was those Orwellian Twitter folks we really have to worry about.  

Your arguments are speculative as here is no real evidence that this was an attempted coup nor evidence of an assassination plot.   The biggest problem on January 6th was the lack of security to control a group that size.   If there was a plot to pull of what you assume, it would have been successful and there would have been more than just one kook with zip ties.  But as is, nobody was roaming around brandishing weapons looking for targets.  

 

[GordonGekko]

Looks like we have a choice of trying to discuss content with these guys or Gekko? 

Gekko is sort of like John Nash (Russell Crowe) in A beautiful mind. There is a sharp mind at work, but impossible to engage with. I mean who is reading that world salad over 6 lengthy posts, let alone digesting it and considering a response. 

Yet soon enough, there will be another new thread going over something else in the exact same manner. I mean most of the replies are about the poster and not the content. Thats a failure in being able to deliver a message.

Left wing posters want to have their ideas challenged and debated, but we either get the above or overload. 

On 1/20/2021 at 1:03 AM, John Maddens Lunchbox said:

Several of us would be interested in debate and discussion,.....

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/792330-hypocrisy-democratsmsm-called-2016-trump-election-win-illegitimate-119-2324-pst/?tab=comments#comment-23206362

OK, let's have a discussion. (Point to note, you criticized my last thread (link above), said you wanted discussion, I offered it to you directly and you did not respond)  Is there any aspect of this current topic you'd like to discuss first?

I listed topic questions in the original post to push some direction for a discussion but I'll post them again below.

Let me know if you have different questions on this current topic you'd like to discuss.

(  I also welcome @2Squirrels1Nut @beer 30 @Captain Cranks @AAABatteries@squistion as well as the others posting here to explore these questions I just asked @John Maddens Lunchboxas well )

QUESTIONS TO RAISE OPEN DISCUSSION:

Do you believe Twitter should continue to receive Section 230 protection under the law?

Do you agree with Dorsey, Gadde and Twitter's overall decision making and policy here?

How would you change the format to better balance the need for free speech with the need for public safety?

Do you believe Twitter's policies have been consistent?

How would you define "coded rhetoric"?

Should Twitter and it's enforcement actively "evaluate" how people will actually "interpret" social media messages? What should be the litmus to this?

 

[jon_mx]

What do you think is the recourse for Twitter banning people? What do you think should happen to Twitter?

There needs to be hearings and I would start with fines.  Probably needs to establish guidelines on when and how these companies can censor speech especially during an election.  There hss been potential anti-trust and  election campaign violations.  I think some kind of threat of break-up of Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, and Google should at least be on the table to get some leverage on these companies to change. 

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/792330-hypocrisy-democratsmsm-called-2016-trump-election-win-illegitimate-119-2324-pst/?tab=comments#comment-23206362

OK, let's have a discussion. (Point to note, you criticized my last thread (link above), said you wanted discussion, I offered it to you directly and you did not respond)  Is there any aspect of this current topic you'd like to discuss first?

I listed topic questions in the original post to push some direction for a discussion but I'll post them again below.

Let me know if you have different questions on this current topic you'd like to discuss.

(  I also welcome @2Squirrels1Nut @beer 30 @Captain Cranks @AAABatteries@squistion as well as the others posting here to explore these questions I just asked @John Maddens Lunchboxas well )

QUESTIONS TO RAISE OPEN DISCUSSION:

Do you believe Twitter should continue to receive Section 230 protection under the law?

Do you agree with Dorsey, Gadde and Twitter's overall decision making and policy here?

How would you change the format to better balance the need for free speech with the need for public safety?

Do you believe Twitter's policies have been consistent?

How would you define "coded rhetoric"?

Should Twitter and it's enforcement actively "evaluate" how people will actually "interpret" social media messages? What should be the litmus to this?

I responded to you in another thread with a detailed response and didnt get a reply, so I thought it fruitless to engage further. I will take this request here in good faith and respond here.

A simple request first though. Can you please not post so much when you start a thread? Maybe you are comfortable with that style, but its almost impossible to read, digest and understand it all. 

I would recommend you state your topic, introduce the topic in one or 2 posts with the most vital points you want to make and leave the rest for further discussion once readers are engaged and interested. You seem to want to unload the hard drive with everything you have. Most of us want good discussion. I want to learn. I want to understand your point of view, you to understand mine, reach common ground on some area or delve into the disagreements with honest intentions. 

Do you believe Twitter should continue to receive Section 230 protection under the law?

As a non user of twitter and ex user of facebook, i dont believe they should be afforded special protection. They have rights and responsibilities to act, but as private businesses they also have the right to operate as they see fit, within the laws set for them. If they drive people off their platform, it is up to the market to correct and provide alternatives. Myspace was the place at one stage, until it didnt suit its audience. If twitter and facebook and other platforms are not moderated correctly, they should be held responsible for the damage they cause. Ie standing by and watching Rome burn instead of trying to put out the fire. 

Do you agree with Dorsey, Gadde and Twitter's overall decision making and policy here?

They make the rules and live with the consequences. Just like any business. If people think they can use their platform to spread hate, division and lead directly to death and destruction, then they should have another thing coming. People are responsible for their actions, as is the company for allowing these actions to occur on their service. I dont care if its white supremecists, the leader of  China, Batman or Charles Barkley

How would you change the format to better balance the need for free speech with the need for public safety?

People have a right to free speech as long as it doesnt infringe on the rights and safety of other people. People have a right to be wrong, but people should not have the right to threaten or cause harm to others for their own amusement or perceived slights. Id be hard line across the board. To me public safety is more important than free speech and its not close. Irresponsibility of words, deeds and actions must have consequences. 

Do you believe Twitter's policies have been consistent?

Of course not. They are being reactive, rather than proactive. If they were serious, this should have been dealt with a long time ago. By pretending to be a place where people could say whatever they want with no comeback on them was foolish. They are frightened of the potential of lawsuits or worse and are running around like headless chickens into attempting to stop the dam breaking. Too late. 

How would you define "coded rhetoric"?

This is where the smart lawyer people can define it better, but if your words can be interpreted in multiple ways depending on your audience or an attempt to absolve you of responsibility, then reading between the lines is left to the courts should it be required. It is up to the author to define what they meant, it is up to the prosecutor to argue what their words caused and up to a judge or jury to decide what the consequences if any will be. Words matter. 

Should Twitter and it's enforcement actively "evaluate" how people will actually "interpret" social media messages? What should be the litmus to this?

Poor education, a really good education, cultural differences and many other factors mean that words can mean different things to different people. Twitter can decide to evaluate or interpret messages if they want or be held responsible for the consequences of those words causing actions. They want to run a business where people can talk freely, they need to be responsible for ensuring that it doesnt impinge on the freedom and liberty of others. If they cant do that, then they shouldnt be running a business. If McDonalds served burgers that killed 1 in a 1000 people, they wouldnt be in business long. If UPS lost 10% of their packages, they wouldnt be in business long. 

 

[FairWarning]

Until there is a viable alternative to Twitter, they can do anything they want.  You cannot sign up there without agreeing to their terms.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Until there is a viable alternative to Twitter, they can do anything they want.  You cannot sign up there without agreeing to their terms.

If someone starts a new alternative and is blocked or not carried by Google or Apple can they have any chance to succeed? They seem to control what we have access to now.

 

[RCon]

GOP: "Government can't tell stores they have to require masks!  It's an infringement on liberty!"

Also GOP: "Government should ban TikTok because...  something something...  China?"

Also also GOP: "Somebody needs to tell Twitter it can't enforce its own Terms of Service!"

I'm getting mixed messages here.

 

[tymarsas]

There needs to be hearings and I would start with fines.  Probably needs to establish guidelines on when and how these companies can censor speech especially during an election.  There hss been potential anti-trust and  election campaign violations.  I think some kind of threat of break-up of Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, and Google should at least be on the table to get some leverage on these companies to change. 

This sounds like a lot of government regulation. In my opinion that should be a last resort. Why can't we just let the free market deal with them? If they get too heavy handed with the moderation then let them lose all their customers. Donald Trump had 75 million followers on Twitter right? There is 75 million people ready to follow Donald Trump to whatever platform he goes to... Maybe he starts his own Twitter called Trumpet?

 

[tymarsas]

If someone starts a new alternative and is blocked or not carried by Google or Apple can they have any chance to succeed? They seem to control what we have access to now.

This is actually the one area I think there is an argument for regulation. Apple and Google have a duopoly on phone operating systems and effectively control access to it via the app stores. It is possible to start alternative Android stores but it is pretty much impossible to start an alternative iOS store. This allows Apple to control access to their operating system. I think they should be forced to allow alternative app stores. 

 

[sho nuff]

This is actually the one area I think there is an argument for regulation. Apple and Google have a duopoly on phone operating systems and effectively control access to it via the app stores. It is possible to start alternative Android stores but it is pretty much impossible to start an alternative iOS store. This allows Apple to control access to their operating system. I think they should be forced to allow alternative app stores. 

I would highly disagree on the bolded.  Why should they be forced to allow apps that are not specifically designed for their ecosystem?  Things they can't regulate to properly work on their devices?

Also, last I checked...you can get to twitter without a mobile device.  You can get to a great number of services without a mobile device.  So the argument of censorship and free speech over all of this continues to be a bit short sighted IMO.  Well, beyond the absurdity of confusing free speech with corporate terms of service.

 

[Summer Wheat]

I would highly disagree on the bolded.  Why should they be forced to allow apps that are not specifically designed for their ecosystem?  Things they can't regulate to properly work on their devices?

Also, last I checked...you can get to twitter without a mobile device.  You can get to a great number of services without a mobile device.  So the argument of censorship and free speech over all of this continues to be a bit short sighted IMO.  Well, beyond the absurdity of confusing free speech with corporate terms of service.

I guess it is more of an access issue.  What do you think Twitter or FB would do if they were blocked out overnight by Apple and Google?  That would drastically limit their audience.

Pretty sure They would have the $$$ to figure something out.

 

[sho nuff]

I guess it is more of an access issue.  What do you think Twitter or FB would do if they were blocked out overnight by Apple and Google?  That would drastically limit their audience.

Pretty sure They would have the $$$ to figure something out.

Id guess they would wonder why...and with the money obviously they would fight it or try to reconcile with them to have a solution.  Mainly because they would know those are their biggest ways to the market.  Did these other platforms do that?  Or did they just throw up their fists and claim they were being unfairly censored and claim 1st amendment issues?  I think the reactions would likely be different

 

[squistion]

There needs to be hearings and I would start with fines.  Probably needs to establish guidelines on when and how these companies can censor speech especially during an election.  There hss been potential anti-trust and  election campaign violations.  I think some kind of threat of break-up of Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, and Google should at least be on the table to get some leverage on these companies to change. 

This is not a suppression of free speech and you know it. There is no First Amendment right to post on the social media website of a private company. 

 

[knowledge dropper]

This is not a suppression of free speech and you know it. There is no First Amendment right to post on the social media website of a private company. 

If I say something is fake news on my cell phone when talking to my friend does Verizon turn off my phone?

 

[squistion]

Your arguments are speculative as here is no real evidence that this was an attempted coup nor evidence of an assassination plot.   The biggest problem on January 6th was the lack of security to control a group that size.   If there was a plot to pull of what you assume, it would have been successful and there would have been more than just one kook with zip ties.  But as is, nobody was roaming around brandishing weapons looking for targets.  

Have you forgotten those screaming "Where's Nancy" and "Hang Pence:" (and I am sure you saw the photo of the scaffold that was erected). They were obviously looking not only for targets but for specific targets. 

And what kind of logic is it that there couldn't have been a coup plot because it wasn't successful? 

 

[squistion]

If I say something is fake news on my cell phone when talking to my friend does Verizon turn off my phone?

I don't know, do they? Not seen any reports Verizon is doing this...

But if so, there is no 1st Amendment right to have a Verizon cell phone account, unless I missed a Constitutional amendment. 

 

[Captain Cranks]

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/792330-hypocrisy-democratsmsm-called-2016-trump-election-win-illegitimate-119-2324-pst/?tab=comments#comment-23206362

OK, let's have a discussion. (Point to note, you criticized my last thread (link above), said you wanted discussion, I offered it to you directly and you did not respond)  Is there any aspect of this current topic you'd like to discuss first?

I listed topic questions in the original post to push some direction for a discussion but I'll post them again below.

Let me know if you have different questions on this current topic you'd like to discuss.

(  I also welcome @2Squirrels1Nut @beer 30 @Captain Cranks @AAABatteries@squistion as well as the others posting here to explore these questions I just asked @John Maddens Lunchboxas well )

QUESTIONS TO RAISE OPEN DISCUSSION:

Do you believe Twitter should continue to receive Section 230 protection under the law?

Do you agree with Dorsey, Gadde and Twitter's overall decision making and policy here?

How would you change the format to better balance the need for free speech with the need for public safety?

Do you believe Twitter's policies have been consistent?

How would you define "coded rhetoric"?

Should Twitter and it's enforcement actively "evaluate" how people will actually "interpret" social media messages? What should be the litmus to this?

I've seen this shtick from conspiracy theory driven right wingers before. Try to dictate the boundaries of the conversation and ignore what is outside those lines. If you control the conversation, there's less likeliness that it deviates from the points you're trying to force upon us.  It's a hard pass for me.  Good luck peddling your propaganda.  

 

[Chaz McNulty]

There needs to be hearings and I would start with fines.  Probably needs to establish guidelines on when and how these companies can censor speech especially during an election.  There hss been potential anti-trust and  election campaign violations.  I think some kind of threat of break-up of Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, and Google should at least be on the table to get some leverage on these companies to change. 

How about all political commentary is banned?  That way you can be sure it is equal to both Dems and Republicans.

Wait.  Is that what they are trying to do.

 

[tonydead]

“.....'Every record was destroyed or falsified...every (single) book rewritten... every picture repainted...every statue and street building renamed and every date altered.... And this process is continuing day by day and minute by minute.... History has now stopped.... Nothing exists except an endless present.... where the Party is always right.”  -  George Orwell, “1984”

TOPIC NARRATIVE:

Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Twitter Head Of Legal Policy (Trust & Safety) Vijaya Gadde openly discuss on video about planning to roll out widespread political censorship ( including retroactives to the past to meet the shifting internal policy) based on "coded rhetoric".  It's clear that a small handful of unelected civilians with no actual oversight are in charge of the national political narrative on social media, where over 70 percent of all Americans are primarily receiving their news information. Gadde openly admits that Twitter wants to evaluate and enforce against how they (this small handful of people) will define how the public at large will "interpret" these controversial tweets instead of letting people actually interpret those messages for themselves. Gadde says Trump's tweets during the Capitol riots were inciting violence but cannot pinpoint which one specifically do so. She also says Twitter actually escalated past their established policy and then banned and then unbanned and then permanently banned because the optics of Trump asking for protesters to stop the violence and go home would create distrust of Twitter HQ by the general public. Jack Dorsey says he will enforce based on "conduct" but the larger question is who gets to define what is acceptable conduct? That same small group of people? Dorsey also talks about safety being the priority but all indications that violent riots are being planned and advertised on his platform. As well as child pornography.

QUESTIONS TO RAISE OPEN DISCUSSION:

Do you believe Twitter should continue to receive Section 230 protection under the law?

Do you agree with Dorsey, Gadde and Twitter's overall decision making and policy here?

How would you change the format to better balance the need for free speech with the need for public safety?

Do you believe Twitter's policies have been consistent?

How would you define "coded rhetoric"?

Should Twitter and it's enforcement actively "evaluate" how people will actually "interpret" social media messages? What should be the litmus to this?

***VIDEO***: Twitter Senior Executive Vijaya Gadde Details Plans for Political Censorship on a Global Scale •Jan 18, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkQgTY5_cF0

***VIDEO***: Twitter Insider Secretly Records CEO Jack Dorsey Detailing Agenda For Further Political Censorship •Jan 14, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhHg8QXTE8

Direct Headline: 'Burn down DC': Violence that erupted at Capitol was incited by pro-Trump mob on social media

Violent rhetoric including threats against elected officials and police officers flooded all social media platforms including Facebook, Twitter and Google's YouTube, not just online forums popular with extremists. 

Jessica Guynn USA TODAY 1/06/2021 4:57 PM

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/01/06/trump-riot-twitter-parler-proud-boys-boogaloos-antifa-qanon/6570794002/

Direct Headline: Andy Ngo: Twitter Did Nothing to Stop Antifa Planning, Promoting Riots in Portland, Seattle

By Katabella Roberts and Jan Jekielek January 23, 2021

https://www.theepochtimes.com/andy-ngo-twitter-did-nothing-to-stop-antifa-planning-promoting-riots-in-portland-seattle_3666885.html

Direct Headline: Twitter Faces Lawsuit for Allegedly Refusing to Remove Child Porn Weeks After Purging Right-Wing Accounts

By Michael Austin January 21, 2021 at 5:44pm

https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-faces-lawsuit-allegedly-refusing-remove-child-porn-weeks-purging-right-wing-accounts/

  The vast majority of the INSURRECTION planning and communication happened on Facebook and Twitter despite their best censoring efforts.  There is a good argument to be had that Facebook and Twitter are responsible for people believing in all these conspiracies in the first place all in the name of garnering clicks - Social Dilemma.  Conveniently they turn and point the finger at and take out their biggest competitor that never did promote by number of clicks. 

Get rid of Section 230 protection.  

 

[Chaz McNulty]

If I say something is fake news on my cell phone when talking to my friend does Verizon turn off my phone?

If I say something that someone views as inflamatory on this website, does someone suspend my account?  Do I get a chance to plead my case?

 

[squistion]

If I say something that someone views as inflamatory on this website, does someone suspend my account?  Do I get a chance to plead my case?

Yes and no. Unfortunately, there is no appeal process even if it appears to you that the suspension is completely erroneous.