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They owe Taylor $16M this year and gave up a 3rd round pick. Maybe Cleveland really is such a horrible place to play that they had no shot at a cheaper vet, but it really seems like they could have brought one of Keenum, McCarron, Bradford, Fitzpatrick, Moore, Bridgewater or McCown in for a similar deal without giving up a pick. Not all of those guys are going to get signed to multi-year deals that will cost more than Taylor.
Buffalo is basically Cleveland light in terms of geographic place.
Have you watched him play much? 60%+ completion percentage isn't much of an accomplishment when every year ~25 QBs do the same thing, but his numbers are boosted by the fact that he only wants to throw to guys when they're wide open, and they're usually pretty short passes.
I am trying to understand here, what does it matter if the 3rd round pick is the 6th rookie on the roster? To me that is a great way build a team and you get that player for cheap. Giving away your picks that you accumulated for someone who pretty much everybody acknowledges is not the long term answer seems counter productive
The law of diminishing returns kicks in at some point. You can't absorb a dozen rookies to the second youngest NFL roster. Youth has its place but adding rookies to second year players who haven't established themselves means someone will lose valuable reps/coaching.
Interesting point but its still a 3rd, a chance for depth, kicker or whatever rather than a throwaway for Taylor for a year. I would still roll the dice and keep building depth and a roster you have a model for. People get hurt, people bust etc. But those rookie contracts are cheap now.
For a team like Carolina who has drafted less than half of the rookies that Cleveland has over the last three NFL drafts, that would make sense but for Cleveland who needs a Bridge QB and where that 3rd would not be nearly as effective it made sense to trade for the QB who has much more immediate value and a very important role on the team over an unknown.
It's ok if you don't believe it, but as a guy that has been a supporter of Taylor his entire time in Buffalo and badly wanted him to succeed, I can tell you that over and over again there were articles breaking down his missed reads and wide open receivers week after week after week.not if that bridge player costs 16mil and its only for a year. Like I said, I see your point but I still think a 3rd is worth more then that all things considered.
That 3.1 could have also been used in conjunction with their 2nd round picks to trade back into the first round to take another premier player.
Great point and like you said if they get a qb at 1 or 4 you can bet your rear he is starting midway through the season. Landry deal was a positive I will give you that but the TT one is a classic browns move
I won't repeat but refer to them not wanting to sign a long-term deal on a bridge QB because if they waited for FA they would have to outbid other teams, this way they get the bridge QB, the #2 WR and address DB, before FA and still are sitting on more cap space than any other NFL team to make a splash before the draft where they still hold more draft capital than any other NFL team.
But we are saying they could have gotten a "bridge" qb for nothing. And kept the 3rd. If all they are trying to do, which you (or another browns fan alluded to earlier) is get to 6ish wins then I truly dont see the point of just giving away a pretty high pick
Um no. We'll just disagree on that one because the options were very limited to Keenum, Teddy, and AJ and none of them would sign a one-year contract. They would demand at least a three year prove it deal with a lot of up front money. The Browns would have had to beat out other teams for Tyrod who had three other teams in the running and all them were/are more attractive since those teams won't be drafting a QB with the top pick.
Well just on their roster that had Kizer and then I believe Kessler is still there. So I would have started there especially if the "bridge" and a handful of wins were all you are looking for.
They had McCown. He signed a one year deal with the Jets for $6M.
Many of these guys go from losing team to losing team and that makes me wonder why that is
Because they are lower tier starters or very good backups. They're good enough to start in the NFL, but not good enough to win you anything. And teams know that and obviously want a franchise QB. So bad teams sign them as bridge guys as they try to get their franchise QB. Which is exactly what the Browns should have done.
It's a bridge QB. It doesn't matter. The only purpose of a bridge QB is to be the one getting his ### kicked all over the place until the rookie is semi-ready to do out and do it. Giving up an early 3rd for a guy that's not in the long term plans is asanine. Go get Glennon, Stanton, Gabbert, someone like that if you can't get McCarron. Chad Henne, Mark Sanchez, Matt Moore.
That might be true for some, I think some on that list are not that good.
How does that come across to the OL, TE, and WRs? Aren't you supposed to give them a quality person to block for and throwing to them?
Senseless would be giving up the 65th pick for a player you could have signed as a free agent in two weeks
Those guys are perfectly fine one or two year options. No one is thinking Super Bowl at this point. I left names like Kessler, Hogan, and Hackenburg out intentionally. No one is suggesting tank 3.0 at this point, and I don't even have an issue with Tyrod, he is a great option. But giving up 3.01 is absurd.Bri said:
Highly doubt Taylor was going to be cut. They could have kept him to hedge against getting another QB. They may have kept him as their starter until a potential rookie was ready, or at the very least drafted. They'd have had to outbid other teams, whick likely would have lead to a longer and more expensive contract then the one he has now.Skeletore Eh said:
And if they missed out on Taylor they could have signed 1 of the many other mediocre placeholder qbs that will be on the market this season and still have the pick in their back pocket. The browns also have all the cap room in the world, so spending a little extra on a qb would be a much better use of assets that wasting draft picks
That's it in a nutshell. Good option but it's a horrendous decision on a team trying to build for the future to give up a premium draft pick for a likely one year place holder.
This is a good point I've not seen addressed. They got money to throw $16M at a guy who is at his best as a possession slot WR, they got all kinds of money. A good amount of placeholder QB's they could have obtained with their cap money.
I disagree that Taylor is a mediocre placeholder QB. He may end up being a placeholder, but he's a good to very good QB. There were no QBs on the market in Taylor's league other than Cousins and maybe a healthy Bradford, which may not even exist anymore. Pick 65 for a good QB is hardly a waste. Taylor is easily the best QB the Browns have had in over a decade, possibly the best since their return.
To you it is because of whatever context you expect a usual team to have. The Browns are not in the position of a usual team. They have two firsts, three seconds, and two or three fourths. They almost have too many picks. Maybe Taylor is worth a fourth (that seems to be a common sentiment) but if the Bills are insisting on a third and the Browns are sitting there with a wealth of picks, then that's what they have to do. This is also an organization that botches so many picks. In some light, you could argue they ought to trade every pick for a starter so at least it was productive. Weird suggestion aside, Hue got his guy. Hue (and me too) likes an athletic QB.
They got their QB, they didn't give it away. Rolling with the sentiment though, I strongly don't think you can reasonably do this with any team using the draft chart. The value of picks in the first round is too high. It seems like it was made to trade down.
