U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (3 Viewers)

[pittstownkiller]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

I believe Romney's statement, which while it was a casaulity of unfortunate timing, is being validated by every new report. The statement from the Cairo Embassy was weak and did not convey anything but an apologetic tone. The White House needed to demand that there was some protection for the embassies when they felt there was a threat. While Romney is prominent, and can be criticized, he is not the President and at the same time the White House is looking very amateurish in their handling of the situation - prior, during, and after. What a shame that these people were killed and that their safe house was known to the enemy.

I'm no Obama fan but Romney really tripped over the starting blocks on this thing. I don't disagree with the premise behind it but he did it in a clumsy manner and hurt any credibility he might have had. I doubt the government of Libya, such that it is, is really capable of defending itself, much less our consulate. I'm as conservative as it comes when we are talking economics and tend to vote that way, but the Bush administration didn't do us any favors in that part of the world either. I'm not so sure I see the White House as "amateurish" so much as thinking the United States' policy is very misguided. Also, does anyone really believe this thing started over the movie? It was September 11. The radicals have always been very focused on anniversaries and the meaning of them. If anything, the movie was merely used as cover for it. It just didn't happen to get all this coverage on that particular day.

I'm waiting to see how Al Qaeda fits in all of this.

The information in Libya initially pointed to them, or at least a group closely related to them.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

4protesters shot dead and many wounded when a crowd stormed the US Embassy in Yemen. Could get uglier tomorrow...

 

[drummer]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

I believe Romney's statement, which while it was a casaulity of unfortunate timing, is being validated by every new report. The statement from the Cairo Embassy was weak and did not convey anything but an apologetic tone. The White House needed to demand that there was some protection for the embassies when they felt there was a threat. While Romney is prominent, and can be criticized, he is not the President and at the same time the White House is looking very amateurish in their handling of the situation - prior, during, and after. What a shame that these people were killed and that their safe house was known to the enemy.

Romney's advisers are Neo-Cons. Romney is fuzzy on Foreign Policy enough as it is. It was totally ###hat of him to put a cheap shot out there with zero intelligence from the ground.

I know the effort that is being put in to try to make this Romney's problem but he isn't president. The actual President's State Department issued the ridiculous statement where they fell on their sword; Romney was correct to call them out on it - it was a major blunde by the Obama Administration. Romney has not been issued the daily threat analysis reports, from the White House, but you act like he had the same information that Obama held and acted out of indifference to the situation.

Romney put himself in a bad situation by bad advice with a stupid statement. But those statements are pretty much meaningless when it comes to the Middle East at this point in a crisis. He made himself look petty and opportunistic. But he isn't responsible for American lives, as well as non combatants. Obama is. So you have to be delicate with those statements that pertain to them.

 

[DocHolliday]

Obama has washed his hands of this and put this story on ignore. He has a campaign to run. That has been his priority for 3.5 years now. If he can figure out a way to garner votes from this story, he will use it in his campaign speeches. If he cannot, it will not be mentioned by Obama or the mainstream media by the weekend.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Romney should watch Obama showcase his foreign policy skillz.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Obama has washed his hands of this and put this story on ignore. He has a campaign to run. That has been his priority for 3.5 years now. If he can figure out a way to garner votes from this story, he will use it in his campaign speeches. If he cannot, it will not be mentioned by Obama or the mainstream media by the weekend.

Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize. He should be able to calm the Muslim protesters like Moses parting the Red Sea.

 

[tommyboy]

I'm waiting to see how Al Qaeda fits in all of this.

The information in Libya initially pointed to them, or at least a group closely related to them.

here:

“He was on security detail and he was protecting the ambassador and also helping the wounded’’ when he was killed, said his sister, Katie Quigley of Marblehead[...]

Quigley said her family was officially notified around 5 p.m. Wednesday that he had been killed. She believes that the incident at the consulate was not a a random act of a few people upset about an inflammatory movie about the Muslim prophet Mohammed.

“I never thought he’d be another victim of September 11,’’ Quigley said.

“You have to understand. Glen was highly trained. He was the best of the best. He wouldn’t have gone down for some protest over a movie,’’ Quigley said. “This was serious, well-planned, well-executed. He was very good at what he did.’’

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/213567.php

ibyan Officials: #Benghazi Consulate Attack Planned As 2-Part Jihadi Assault

No #### Sherlock

A Libyan official said Thursday that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a planned, two-part operation that included a raid on a supposedly secret safe house -- an account that comports with what a top U.S. lawmaker told Fox News a day earlier[...] Wanis al-Sharef, eastern Libya's deputy interior minister, then said on Thursday the attacks were suspected to have been timed to mark the 9/11 anniversary and that the militants used civilians protesting an anti-Islam film as cover for their action.

He said U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and another official were killed in the consulate, but that the attackers timed a second wave on the safe house just as Libyan and U.S. security forces were arriving to rescue evacuated consulate staff.

He said that second wave killed two more Americans and wounded nearly 30 Libyans and Americans.

[READ IT ALL]

The SOB's of the Libyan "security ****s" certainly aided in giving the terrorists a heads up of where the "safe house" was. Update: al-Reuters is apparently reporting Libya has arrested 4 men who may have aided in the attack. Hmmm, makes sense as what I referred to above

and

Update IV: Apparently, the Libyan jihadi group, Ansar al-Sharia, has claimed responsibility for the attack

There have been indications in recent months that radical, armed Islamic groups have gained a foothold in Libya since the fall of the Qaddafi regime. One of the groups to emerge in post-revolution Libya, Ansar al-Sharia, claimed responsibility Wednesday for the attack in Benghazi, which has been condemned by the country's new government.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

 

[drummer]

I'm waiting to see how Al Qaeda fits in all of this.

The information in Libya initially pointed to them, or at least a group closely related to them.

here:

“He was on security detail and he was protecting the ambassador and also helping the wounded’’ when he was killed, said his sister, Katie Quigley of Marblehead[...]

Quigley said her family was officially notified around 5 p.m. Wednesday that he had been killed. She believes that the incident at the consulate was not a a random act of a few people upset about an inflammatory movie about the Muslim prophet Mohammed.

“I never thought he’d be another victim of September 11,’’ Quigley said.

“You have to understand. Glen was highly trained. He was the best of the best. He wouldn’t have gone down for some protest over a movie,’’ Quigley said. “This was serious, well-planned, well-executed. He was very good at what he did.’’

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/213567.php

ibyan Officials: #Benghazi Consulate Attack Planned As 2-Part Jihadi Assault

No #### Sherlock

A Libyan official said Thursday that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a planned, two-part operation that included a raid on a supposedly secret safe house -- an account that comports with what a top U.S. lawmaker told Fox News a day earlier[...] Wanis al-Sharef, eastern Libya's deputy interior minister, then said on Thursday the attacks were suspected to have been timed to mark the 9/11 anniversary and that the militants used civilians protesting an anti-Islam film as cover for their action.

He said U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and another official were killed in the consulate, but that the attackers timed a second wave on the safe house just as Libyan and U.S. security forces were arriving to rescue evacuated consulate staff.

He said that second wave killed two more Americans and wounded nearly 30 Libyans and Americans.

[READ IT ALL]

The SOB's of the Libyan "security ****s" certainly aided in giving the terrorists a heads up of where the "safe house" was. Update: al-Reuters is apparently reporting Libya has arrested 4 men who may have aided in the attack. Hmmm, makes sense as what I referred to above

and

Update IV: Apparently, the Libyan jihadi group, Ansar al-Sharia, has claimed responsibility for the attack

There have been indications in recent months that radical, armed Islamic groups have gained a foothold in Libya since the fall of the Qaddafi regime. One of the groups to emerge in post-revolution Libya, Ansar al-Sharia, claimed responsibility Wednesday for the attack in Benghazi, which has been condemned by the country's new government.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Right, and part of this may stem from retaliation due the the killing of one of Al Qaeda's second in command by a drone attack.

 

[Radio Free Homer]

Obama has washed his hands of this and put this story on ignore. He has a campaign to run. That has been his priority for 3.5 years now. If he can figure out a way to garner votes from this story, he will use it in his campaign speeches. If he cannot, it will not be mentioned by Obama or the mainstream media by the weekend.

Your logical prowess is astounding.

 

[tommyboy]

As the owners of the damaged building and the accommodation block a mile down the road took the Guardian on a tour of the sites on Thursday, reports that the attack was the work of an isolated group seemed to be at odds with the physical evidence and what their staff had told them."Better security would not have stopped this," said Adel Ibrahim, the owner of the accommodation building where blood is now spattered beneath a hole smashed in a wall by a heavy projectile. "A security unit is fine if you are facing 10 persons, but there were 400 attackers. [The Americans] would have needed an army to stop them."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/13/libya-us-consulate-benghazi-damage

 

[MaxThreshold]

Obama has washed his hands of this and put this story on ignore. He has a campaign to run. That has been his priority for 3.5 years now. If he can figure out a way to garner votes from this story, he will use it in his campaign speeches. If he cannot, it will not be mentioned by Obama or the mainstream media by the weekend.

Well, to be fair, Jay-Z and Beyonce were holding a fundraiser.

 

[the moops]

"Better security would not have stopped this," said Adel Ibrahim, the owner of the accommodation building where blood is now spattered beneath a hole smashed in a wall by a heavy projectile. "A security unit is fine if you are facing 10 persons, but there were 400 attackers. [The Americans] would have needed an army to stop them."

An entire army? Those are some bad ### 400

 

[Mark Davis]

I'm waiting to see how Al Qaeda fits in all of this.

The information in Libya initially pointed to them, or at least a group closely related to them.

here:

“He was on security detail and he was protecting the ambassador and also helping the wounded’’ when he was killed, said his sister, Katie Quigley of Marblehead[...]

Quigley said her family was officially notified around 5 p.m. Wednesday that he had been killed. She believes that the incident at the consulate was not a a random act of a few people upset about an inflammatory movie about the Muslim prophet Mohammed.

“I never thought he’d be another victim of September 11,’’ Quigley said.

“You have to understand. Glen was highly trained. He was the best of the best. He wouldn’t have gone down for some protest over a movie,’’ Quigley said. “This was serious, well-planned, well-executed. He was very good at what he did.’’

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/213567.php

ibyan Officials: #Benghazi Consulate Attack Planned As 2-Part Jihadi Assault

No #### Sherlock

A Libyan official said Thursday that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a planned, two-part operation that included a raid on a supposedly secret safe house -- an account that comports with what a top U.S. lawmaker told Fox News a day earlier[...] Wanis al-Sharef, eastern Libya's deputy interior minister, then said on Thursday the attacks were suspected to have been timed to mark the 9/11 anniversary and that the militants used civilians protesting an anti-Islam film as cover for their action.

He said U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and another official were killed in the consulate, but that the attackers timed a second wave on the safe house just as Libyan and U.S. security forces were arriving to rescue evacuated consulate staff.

He said that second wave killed two more Americans and wounded nearly 30 Libyans and Americans.

[READ IT ALL]

The SOB's of the Libyan "security ****s" certainly aided in giving the terrorists a heads up of where the "safe house" was. Update: al-Reuters is apparently reporting Libya has arrested 4 men who may have aided in the attack. Hmmm, makes sense as what I referred to above

and

Update IV: Apparently, the Libyan jihadi group, Ansar al-Sharia, has claimed responsibility for the attack

There have been indications in recent months that radical, armed Islamic groups have gained a foothold in Libya since the fall of the Qaddafi regime. One of the groups to emerge in post-revolution Libya, Ansar al-Sharia, claimed responsibility Wednesday for the attack in Benghazi, which has been condemned by the country's new government.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Right, and part of this may stem from retaliation due the the killing of one of Al Qaeda's second in command by a drone attack.

I doubt that had anything to do with them carrying out this attack. I'm sure this had been planned to occur on 9/11 for quite awhile.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

As the owners of the damaged building and the accommodation block a mile down the road took the Guardian on a tour of the sites on Thursday, reports that the attack was the work of an isolated group seemed to be at odds with the physical evidence and what their staff had told them."Better security would not have stopped this," said Adel Ibrahim, the owner of the accommodation building where blood is now spattered beneath a hole smashed in a wall by a heavy projectile. "A security unit is fine if you are facing 10 persons, but there were 400 attackers. [The Americans] would have needed an army to stop them."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/13/libya-us-consulate-benghazi-damage

And to be quite honest there just aren't a lot of Embassies, yet consulates, that could withstand such an attack. Maybe in places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and a few others because of the enormous effort to secure the properties, but not many other places. I was in Albania at the Embassy during the brief civil uprising and there were about 40 Marines and that "reinforced" the compound. Well the damn compound is only a few city blocks, a bunch of mortars, a few hundred men willing to die and a decent plan is going to inflict some heavy damage. If you can't count on the locals, you're pretty much screwed.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

 

[Ursa M]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

 

[mad sweeney]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Now that's just an absurd thing to say.

 

[[icon]]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Classy.

 

[Ursa M]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Now that's just an absurd thing to say.

Seems to me that there are quite a high number of people happy to see Obama have this kind of issue dumped on his plate right now, having glanced through a bunch of the other threads on the Mid East problems.

 

[[icon]]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Now that's just an absurd thing to say.

Seems to me that there are quite a high number of people happy to see Obama have this kind of issue dumped on his plate right now, having glanced through a bunch of the other threads on the Mid East problems.

Or maybe tools like yourself can grow up and stop trying to turn it into a Obama/Romney slapfight every time someone overseas passes gas.

 

[Ursa M]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Now that's just an absurd thing to say.

Seems to me that there are quite a high number of people happy to see Obama have this kind of issue dumped on his plate right now, having glanced through a bunch of the other threads on the Mid East problems.

Or maybe tools like yourself can grow up and stop trying to turn it into a Obama/Romney slapfight every time someone overseas passes gas.

I don't want it to turn political at all. Try finding a post from me commenting on Romney's first day comments - you won't find one. IMO, this whole thing should transcend the campaign completely. It is an American issue, not a party political issue.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Happy is incorrect and I find your accusation disgusting. I do find that it is a result of poor leadership and planning; you would be correct that I do feel that this falls at the feet of the Administration. Someone thinking I would be "happy" that Americans are getting attacked and killed, is something I never thought I would be accused of here but maybe I should have known better.

 

[[icon]]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Now that's just an absurd thing to say.

Seems to me that there are quite a high number of people happy to see Obama have this kind of issue dumped on his plate right now, having glanced through a bunch of the other threads on the Mid East problems.

Or maybe tools like yourself can grow up and stop trying to turn it into a Obama/Romney slapfight every time someone overseas passes gas.

I don't want it to turn political at all. Try finding a post from me commenting on Romney's first day comments - you won't find one. IMO, this whole thing should transcend the campaign completely. It is an American issue, not a party political issue.

Oh cmon jackass... you went straight to political with the bolded. Grow up and keep that crap out of this thread. Go spank it to your DVR'd convention in the privacy of your own home.

 

[Ursa M]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Happy is incorrect and I find your accusation disgusting. I do find that it is a result of poor leadership and planning; you would be correct that I do feel that this falls at the feewould've Administration. Someone thinking I would be "happy" that Americans are getting attacked and killed, is something I never thought I would be accused of here but maybe I should have known better.

I wasn't referring to the deaths, just your comment of the regional situation falling apart, which I took to mean further falling apart. I completely withdraw any inference that you or anyone else would be happy specifically about American deaths. That was not my intention, nor would it ever be. I do not withdraw my inference that you and others are happy about Obama having unexpected problems to deal with and you and others have been very quick to lay blame at the administration's door.

 

[moleculo]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

congratulations - you have been added to my ignore list!

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

"This is a time when we all should reflect on those who continue to give, even the last measure, of service and sacrifice, to promoting and defending America's interests abroad," Huntsman added. "This is above all a reminder that politics should end at the water’s edge."Huntsman's last sentence appears to be directed at Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, the only top Republican who has condemned President Barack Obama's administration for what Romney said was apologizing for America in the government's initial response."

- Jon HuntsmanWho?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

4protesters shot dead and many wounded when a crowd stormed the US Embassy in Yemen. Could get uglier tomorrow...

Where is Obama now?

 

[Parrothead]

4protesters shot dead and many wounded when a crowd stormed the US Embassy in Yemen. Could get uglier tomorrow...

Where is Obama now?

Either in or on his way to the Situation Room in the White House (I would hope).. this is getting hotter over there

 

[timschochet]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador?

2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Now that's just an absurd thing to say.

Seems to me that there are quite a high number of people happy to see Obama have this kind of issue dumped on his plate right now, having glanced through a bunch of the other threads on the Mid East problems.

Or maybe tools like yourself can grow up and stop trying to turn it into a Obama/Romney slapfight every time someone overseas passes gas.

I don't want it to turn political at all. Try finding a post from me commenting on Romney's first day comments - you won't find one. IMO, this whole thing should transcend the campaign completely. It is an American issue, not a party political issue.

Oh cmon jackass... you went straight to political with the bolded. Grow up and keep that crap out of this thread. Go spank it to your DVR'd convention in the privacy of your own home.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

It is not only US embassies under attack. They burned down a Germany embassy in Sudan and a KFC in Lebanon.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Boy, the situation is falling apart over there.

That must make you happy, rekindling a glimmer of hope for your boy.

Happy is incorrect and I find your accusation disgusting. I do find that it is a result of poor leadership and planning; you would be correct that I do feel that this falls at the feewould've Administration. Someone thinking I would be "happy" that Americans are getting attacked and killed, is something I never thought I would be accused of here but maybe I should have known better.

His accusation is horrible; your need to politicize your post instead of just calling him out and leaving it at that is pretty sad too.You could have stopped at the first sentence. Everyone would agree with you. Why continue with your nonsensical partisan finger-pointing about mostly unavoidable tragedies or circumstances? You make his preposterous accusation seem less so when you do that.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

The quickest way to stop the violence is a public caning of this film maker in Time Square.

 

[Sam Quentin]

The death of the ambassador is a big deal.

The rest is some of the hard-liners blowing off steam.

I think this situation will work itself out with or without all of the hand-wringing. The local govts will do all of the heavy lifting while the pols on both side mug for the cameras.

 

[roadkill1292]

The quickest way to stop the violence is a public caning of this film maker in Time Square.

This is a fairly unhelpful comment.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

The quickest way to stop the violence is a public caning of this film maker in Time Square.

This is a fairly unhelpful comment.

C'mon. I bet the same thought went through Obama's head.

 

[timschochet]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

It is not only US embassies under attack. They burned down a Germany embassy in Sudan and a KFC in Lebanon.

I'm quite sure there's going to be several days of random violence. The response to the Dutch cartoons of Muhammad lasted for months. These people get extremely angry over insults to their religion, and they indulge in conspiracy theories; they believe the entire west (and especially our government) is responsible. But there is no reason to assume that these attacks indicate any sort of political change in the region. Some idiots are letting off a little steam. Eventually, they'll quiet down. In the meantime, we beef up our security and wait it out. What else is there?

 

[Stinger Ray]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador?

2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

It is not only US embassies under attack. They burned down a Germany embassy in Sudan and a KFC in Lebanon.

I'm quite sure there's going to be several days of random violence. The response to the Dutch cartoons of Muhammad lasted for months. These people get extremely angry over insults to their religion, and they indulge in conspiracy theories; they believe the entire west (and especially our government) is responsible. But there is no reason to assume that these attacks indicate any sort of political change in the region. Some idiots are letting off a little steam. Eventually, they'll quiet down. In the meantime, we beef up our security and wait it out. What else is there?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

It is not only US embassies under attack. They burned down a Germany embassy in Sudan and a KFC in Lebanon.

I'm quite sure there's going to be several days of random violence. The response to the Dutch cartoons of Muhammad lasted for months. These people get extremely angry over insults to their religion, and they indulge in conspiracy theories; they believe the entire west (and especially our government) is responsible. But there is no reason to assume that these attacks indicate any sort of political change in the region. Some idiots are letting off a little steam. Eventually, they'll quiet down. In the meantime, we beef up our security and wait it out. What else is there?

You do not get it. It shows Obama foreign policy is not working.

 

[roadkill1292]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

It is not only US embassies under attack. They burned down a Germany embassy in Sudan and a KFC in Lebanon.

I'm quite sure there's going to be several days of random violence. The response to the Dutch cartoons of Muhammad lasted for months. These people get extremely angry over insults to their religion, and they indulge in conspiracy theories; they believe the entire west (and especially our government) is responsible. But there is no reason to assume that these attacks indicate any sort of political change in the region. Some idiots are letting off a little steam. Eventually, they'll quiet down. In the meantime, we beef up our security and wait it out. What else is there?

You do not get it. It shows Obama foreign policy is not working.

This is shtick, right? There's no way possible to draw that simplistic a conclusion.

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

It is not only US embassies under attack. They burned down a Germany embassy in Sudan and a KFC in Lebanon.

I'm quite sure there's going to be several days of random violence. The response to the Dutch cartoons of Muhammad lasted for months. These people get extremely angry over insults to their religion, and they indulge in conspiracy theories; they believe the entire west (and especially our government) is responsible. But there is no reason to assume that these attacks indicate any sort of political change in the region. Some idiots are letting off a little steam. Eventually, they'll quiet down. In the meantime, we beef up our security and wait it out. What else is there?

You do not get it. It shows Obama foreign policy is not working.

This is shtick, right? There's no way possible to draw that simplistic a conclusion.

Let me help.YES ITS SCHTICK!!!!

 

[Ursa M]

Oh cmon jackass... you went straight to political with the bolded. Grow up and keep that crap out of this thread. Go spank it to your DVR'd convention in the privacy of your own home.

Just out of interest in your opinion, is the quote below political or not? There are at least three more.

Pure amateur hour by the Administration on the handling of this. I haven't seen so many mixed messages since Alexander Haig said he was in charge after Reagan got shot.

 

[jamny]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

It is not only US embassies under attack. They burned down a Germany embassy in Sudan and a KFC in Lebanon.

I'm quite sure there's going to be several days of random violence. The response to the Dutch cartoons of Muhammad lasted for months. These people get extremely angry over insults to their religion, and they indulge in conspiracy theories; they believe the entire west (and especially our government) is responsible. But there is no reason to assume that these attacks indicate any sort of political change in the region. Some idiots are letting off a little steam. Eventually, they'll quiet down. In the meantime, we beef up our security and wait it out. What else is there?

I hope you're right Tim but this whole thing seems more coordinated than other recent events. I think they're only using this movie as a cover to a different goal. We'll see in the coming days if this just blows over but I wouldn't be confident in either outcome.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Status update on the flash mobs...

LEBANON - Security forces opened fire in the northeastern Lebanese city of Tripoli, killing one person after a crowd angry over the film set fire to a KFC and a Hardee's restaurant. About 25 people were wounded in the melee, including 18 policemen who were hit with stones and glass.

SUDAN - Several hundred protesters stormed the German Embassy in the capital, Khartoum, burning a car parked behind its gates and trash cans. Police fired tear gas, pushing the protesters outside the embassy's gates. There appeared to be no injuries to embassy staff and no apparent damage to the building. Most protesters dispersed, but a group marched to protest at the nearby British Embassy.

YEMEN - Security forces shot live rounds in the air and fired tear gas at a crowd of around 2,000 protesters trying to march to the U.S. Embassy in the capital, Sanaa. Police kept the crowd about a block away from the embassy. Friday's demonstration came a day after hundreds stormed the embassy compound and burned the American flag.

EGYPT - Riot police clashed with hundreds of protesters blocks away from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, as the president broadcast an appeal to Muslims to protect embassies and tried to patch up strained relations with Washington. After weekly prayers, a crowd in Cairo's Tahrir Square tore up an American flag, and waved a black, Islamist flag. When protesters tried to move toward the embassy, ranks of police confronted them, firing tear gas.

IRAN - Thousands shouted 'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel' in Tehran in a demonstration after Friday prayers. Some burned the American and Israeli flags. State TV says similar protests were held in other Iranian cities.

BAHRAIN - More than 2,000 protesters chanted against the film and burned American and Israeli flags after Friday prayers in a Shiite mosque in Diraz, outside the capital, Manama. Security forces were absent, even though the area is a hotbed of opposition in Bahrain's 19-month Shiite-led uprising against the Sunni ruling system. Separately, Bahrain's Interior Ministry ordered media regulators to attempt to block access to the film clip in the Gulf kingdom.

IRAQ - Hundreds demonstrated in Baghdad's northern Sunni neighborhood of Azamaiyah, some shouting: 'No, no America! No, no to Israel,' and, 'We are ready to sacrifice ourselves for our Prophet.' Dozens also marched in Baghdad's Sadr City, a poor Shiite area in the capital's northeast. In the southern city of Basra, about 1,000 took to the streets and burned the American and Israeli flags. One banner said: 'Freedom doesn't mean offending two billion Muslims.'

TUNISIA - A crowd of several thousand demonstrators protested outside the US embassy in Tunis. Police respond to stone-throwing with tear gas. An AP reporter on the scene witnessed several people overcome by intense clouds of gas. An army helicopter flew overhead while armored vehicles protected the embassy.

ISRAEL - The Israeli police say about 400 people marched toward the U.S. consulate in east Jerusalem in protest over the prophet film. Demonstrators threw bottles and stones at police, who responded by firing stun grenades. Four protesters were arrested and the crowd was prevented from reaching the U.S. consulate.

WEST BANK - In the city of Nablus, about 200 people demonstrated against the film as Muslim clerics throughout the territory preached against it in Friday sermons.

SYRIA - About 200 protesters waved the Syrian flag and shouted anti-American slogans outside the long-closed U.S. Embassy in Damascus. The crowd held banners saying: 'He who curses the Prophet doesn't seek democracy' and 'a nation whose Prophet is Mohammad, would never kneel down.' The U.S. embassy has been closed since February because of the country's bloody conflict that has killed about 23,000 people.

AFGHANISTAN - About 1,500 protested in the eastern city of Jalalabad, shouting 'Death to America' and urged President Hamid Karzai to cut relations with the U.S.

PAKISTAN - Hundreds of hardline Muslims held peaceful protests against the film throughout Pakistan, shouting slogans and carrying banners criticizing the U.S. and those involved in the film. Police in Islamabad set up barricades and razor wire to prevent protesters from getting to the diplomatic enclave, where the U.S. Embassy and many other foreign missions are located. Protests were also held in Karachi, Peshawar and Lahore, where protesters shouted 'Down with America' and some burned the U.S. flag. About 200 policemen and barbed wire ringed the U.S. Consulate in Lahore.

GREAT BRITAIN - In London, around 250 protesters marched noisily but peacefully through Britain's capital to the U.S. embassy. The group, which called itself the 'Defenders of The Prophet,' held placards denouncing the U.S. and perceived Western imperialism.

TURKEY - Hundreds of people gathered in Istanbul's Beyazit Square to protest the prophet film. The protest was organized by Turkey's main Islamist political party, Saadet.

MALAYSIA - About 20 protesters held a peaceful demonstration outside the U.S. Embassy in the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur. They briefly shouted 'Allahu akbar!' or God is great, and handed reporters a letter addressed to the American ambassador expressing anger over the movie and calling for greater respect for religions.

 

[roadkill1292]

his is shtick, right? There's no way possible to draw that simplistic a conclusion.

Let me help.YES ITS SCHTICK!!!!

There are a lot of people participating in these threads and lots of them use sarcasm, assuming that everyone else will know that they're being sarcastic. Without a scorecard, I can't always keep track of the players. I can't be the only one with this problem.

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

Status update....LEBANON - Security forces opened fire in the northeastern Lebanese city of Tripoli, killing one person after a crowd angry over the film set fire to a KFC and a Hardee's restaurant. About 25 people were wounded in the melee, including 18 policemen who were hit with stones and glass.SUDAN - Several hundred protesters stormed the German Embassy in the capital, Khartoum, burning a car parked behind its gates and trash cans. Police fired tear gas, pushing the protesters outside the embassy's gates. There appeared to be no injuries to embassy staff and no apparent damage to the building. Most protesters dispersed, but a group marched to protest at the nearby British Embassy.YEMEN - Security forces shot live rounds in the air and fired tear gas at a crowd of around 2,000 protesters trying to march to the U.S. Embassy in the capital, Sanaa. Police kept the crowd about a block away from the embassy. Friday's demonstration came a day after hundreds stormed the embassy compound and burned the American flag.EGYPT - Riot police clashed with hundreds of protesters blocks away from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, as the president broadcast an appeal to Muslims to protect embassies and tried to patch up strained relations with Washington. After weekly prayers, a crowd in Cairo's Tahrir Square tore up an American flag, and waved a black, Islamist flag. When protesters tried to move toward the embassy, ranks of police confronted them, firing tear gas.IRAN - Thousands shouted 'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel' in Tehran in a demonstration after Friday prayers. Some burned the American and Israeli flags. State TV says similar protests were held in other Iranian cities.BAHRAIN - More than 2,000 protesters chanted against the film and burned American and Israeli flags after Friday prayers in a Shiite mosque in Diraz, outside the capital, Manama. Security forces were absent, even though the area is a hotbed of opposition in Bahrain's 19-month Shiite-led uprising against the Sunni ruling system. Separately, Bahrain's Interior Ministry ordered media regulators to attempt to block access to the film clip in the Gulf kingdom.IRAQ - Hundreds demonstrated in Baghdad's northern Sunni neighborhood of Azamaiyah, some shouting: 'No, no America! No, no to Israel,' and, 'We are ready to sacrifice ourselves for our Prophet.' Dozens also marched in Baghdad's Sadr City, a poor Shiite area in the capital's northeast. In the southern city of Basra, about 1,000 took to the streets and burned the American and Israeli flags. One banner said: 'Freedom doesn't mean offending two billion Muslims.'TUNISIA - A crowd of several thousand demonstrators protested outside the US embassy in Tunis. Police respond to stone-throwing with tear gas. An AP reporter on the scene witnessed several people overcome by intense clouds of gas. An army helicopter flew overhead while armored vehicles protected the embassy.ISRAEL - The Israeli police say about 400 people marched toward the U.S. consulate in east Jerusalem in protest over the prophet film. Demonstrators threw bottles and stones at police, who responded by firing stun grenades. Four protesters were arrested and the crowd was prevented from reaching the U.S. consulate.WEST BANK - In the city of Nablus, about 200 people demonstrated against the film as Muslim clerics throughout the territory preached against it in Friday sermons.SYRIA - About 200 protesters waved the Syrian flag and shouted anti-American slogans outside the long-closed U.S. Embassy in Damascus. The crowd held banners saying: 'He who curses the Prophet doesn't seek democracy' and 'a nation whose Prophet is Mohammad, would never kneel down.' The U.S. embassy has been closed since February because of the country's bloody conflict that has killed about 23,000 people.AFGHANISTAN - About 1,500 protested in the eastern city of Jalalabad, shouting 'Death to America' and urged President Hamid Karzai to cut relations with the U.S.PAKISTAN - Hundreds of hardline Muslims held peaceful protests against the film throughout Pakistan, shouting slogans and carrying banners criticizing the U.S. and those involved in the film. Police in Islamabad set up barricades and razor wire to prevent protesters from getting to the diplomatic enclave, where the U.S. Embassy and many other foreign missions are located. Protests were also held in Karachi, Peshawar and Lahore, where protesters shouted 'Down with America' and some burned the U.S. flag. About 200 policemen and barbed wire ringed the U.S. Consulate in Lahore.GREAT BRITAIN - In London, around 250 protesters marched noisily but peacefully through Britain's capital to the U.S. embassy. The group, which called itself the 'Defenders of The Prophet,' held placards denouncing the U.S. and perceived Western imperialism.TURKEY - Hundreds of people gathered in Istanbul's Beyazit Square to protest the prophet film. The protest was organized by Turkey's main Islamist political party, Saadet.MALAYSIA - About 20 protesters held a peaceful demonstration outside the U.S. Embassy in the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur. They briefly shouted 'Allahu akbar!' or God is great, and handed reporters a letter addressed to the American ambassador expressing anger over the movie and calling for greater respect for religions.

Yup, pretty much the same as Christianity. All religions are the same.

 

[pittstownkiller]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

Tim, first even the State Department ill not confirm anyone, let alone who, was arrested; secondly the embassy in Sudan is burning and other embassies are repelling attacks - does that sound likes it is getting better?

 

[timschochet]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

Tim, first even the State Department ill not confirm anyone, let alone who, was arrested; secondly the the embassy in Sudan is burning and other embassies are repelling attacks - does that sound likes it is getting better?

I didn't say it was getting better. I said it was a small minority. Are you aware of how many millions of people live in Cairo, for example? It's one of the most densely populated cities in the entire world. 17 million people live there, more than twice the entire population of Israel. And you think a few hundred protestors are representative of anything?

 

[Ursa M]

1. Not a single mention in this thread that the Libyans have arrested the people responsible for the murder of the ambassador? 2. It's not "out of control over there." In Cairo, there are a few hundred protestors. The vast majority of the population want nothing to do with this. Heck, we had more people in the Occupy movement than they have over there protesting this. Yemen is bound to be a little worse, because the population is much poorer. But again, it's still only a small minority of folks. We all need to calm down a little.

Tim, first even the State Department ill not confirm anyone, let alone who, was arrested; secondly the embassy in Sudan is burning and other embassies are repelling attacks - does that sound likes it is getting better?

It's the German Embassy and it's mostly undamaged.

-- In Sudan's capital, Khartoum, some of the 10,000 protesters that rallied at the Germany Embassy managed to get inside and pull down a German flag before police with tear gas forced the crowds to retreat. The German mission is next to the British Embassy, which is also facing protests, staff there said.

Does anyone know if the US has an embassy in Sudan?

 

[timschochet]

I believe we have an embassy in Khartoum.