U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (4 Viewers)

[BigSteelThrill]

The Apache Helis couldnt even make that flight and return home.

Just getting there would have been at its very max range... after 4 hours of flight.

And its max endurance is set around 3 hours and 10 minutes.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You are pinning your entire stance from that editorial article with zero references? Good luck with that.

Are you pinning yours on what you're being told by the same government that has lied about the matter already?

You are the accuser here, not me.

No, I'm the one who wants the truth not you..

The "truth" from that article you espouse is that the jets and helis were not within a timely distance.

How fast do you think a jet flies? This attack went on for 6 hours... Do some math..

wtf do you think a jet is going to do?

Good Lord dude at least show an inkling of common sense on they threads you go all in on.

Our military jets are just for looks.. They don't carry rockets, bombs, guns, etc... wtf are you talking about?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You are pinning your entire stance from that editorial article with zero references? Good luck with that.

Are you pinning yours on what you're being told by the same government that has lied about the matter already?

You are the accuser here, not me.

No, I'm the one who wants the truth not you..

The "truth" from that article you espouse is that the jets and helis were not within a timely distance.

How fast do you think a jet flies? This attack went on for 6 hours... Do some math..

wtf do you think a jet is going to do?

Good Lord dude at least show an inkling of common sense on they threads you go all in on.

Our military jets are just for looks.. They don't carry rockets, bombs, guns, etc... wtf are you talking about?

LOL. You take the cake.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You are pinning your entire stance from that editorial article with zero references? Good luck with that.

Are you pinning yours on what you're being told by the same government that has lied about the matter already?

You are the accuser here, not me.

No, I'm the one who wants the truth not you..

The "truth" from that article you espouse is that the jets and helis were not within a timely distance.

How fast do you think a jet flies? This attack went on for 6 hours... Do some math..

You needed HELIS. How long to get helis there? What about logistics?

You were not going to fire rockets on the embassy from a flying Jet.

But obviously you are going to say damn near anything.

Why would they shoot rockets at the embassy rather than the attacking party?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You are pinning your entire stance from that editorial article with zero references? Good luck with that.

Are you pinning yours on what you're being told by the same government that has lied about the matter already?

You are the accuser here, not me.

No, I'm the one who wants the truth not you..

The "truth" from that article you espouse is that the jets and helis were not within a timely distance.

How fast do you think a jet flies? This attack went on for 6 hours... Do some math..

You needed HELIS. How long to get helis there? What about logistics?

You were not going to fire rockets on the embassy from a flying Jet.

But obviously you are going to say damn near anything.

Why would they shoot rockets at the embassy rather than the attacking party?

I can predict your stance on any given political subject based on the thread title... You're predictably going to take arms with any liberal politician..

 

[pantherclub]

So many are willing to just look the other way because of their party affiliation..

I'd say it is much more the other way of so many willing to make this political b/c of their party affiliation. I've said if evidence came out that they sat on their hands, I'd condemn them but at this point, the Republicans are just grasping for straws.

I'm not affiliated with either political party and I want answers.. The current administration has tried to hide the truth.. So if I have to ride the backs of politicians bent on self promotion to get the answers I'm looking for then so be it...

The fact that republicans have something to gain by uncovering a mishandled situation where Americans died is besides the point. If they are promoted in some way by the process, maybe that's just deserts.. Don't lie to the American public..

of course you do, of course you do

I am beginning to think that Hustler is pulling off an inception type troll here. Nobody (except jonmx) can be this ignorant.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So many are willing to just look the other way because of their party affiliation..

I'd say it is much more the other way of so many willing to make this political b/c of their party affiliation. I've said if evidence came out that they sat on their hands, I'd condemn them but at this point, the Republicans are just grasping for straws.

I'm not affiliated with either political party and I want answers.. The current administration has tried to hide the truth.. So if I have to ride the backs of politicians bent on self promotion to get the answers I'm looking for then so be it...

The fact that republicans have something to gain by uncovering a mishandled situation where Americans died is besides the point. If they are promoted in some way by the process, maybe that's just deserts.. Don't lie to the American public..

of course you do, of course you do

I am beginning to think that Hustler is pulling off an inception type troll here. Nobody (except jonmx) can be this ignorant.

You.. Talking about someone else's ignorance is amusing to me..

 

[pantherclub]

your posts speak for themselves dude

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I am completely baffled by any claims that there weren't American, and or American allied jets and helicopters within striking distance in one of the most hostile and militarized areas in the world..

We're talking about the middle east here... Seriously? The attack lasted 6 hours.. You really think everything we had was more than 6 hours away in the middle east?

I think you should look at a map. Libya is in Northern Africa, not in the Middle East. I'm not really sure what the jet crowd thinks jets could have done, they needed a QRF response with helicopter gunships and boots. Aviano has F-16, wtf do you or anyone else talking about "jets" think F-16s would do? As soon as they passed a few times without doing anything the attack would have continued. With no one on the ground spotting the enemy there is no way in hell an F-16 is dropping ordnance.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

your posts speak for themselves dude

Whatever you say "dude"

 

[pantherclub]

your posts speak for themselves dude

Whatever you say "dude"

hey why not just drop a nuke on the crowd, basically the same thing.

Keep showing your military knowledge there home boy.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

your posts speak for themselves dude

Whatever you say "dude"

hey why not just drop a nuke on the crowd, basically the same thing.

Keep showing your military knowledge there home boy.

ok "home boy"

How old are you? 12?

 

[pantherclub]

14 and I am still way more knowledgable then you

So tell us, what is a jet supposed to do with all of those rockets and bombs and stuff?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

And Carolina Hustler didn't come up with the jets idea, that was some congressmen or Senator. I mean these ####### politicians are so ####### ignorant it just makes me sick. Helos were too far away, and we don't have a lot of assets in that area for this kind of operation. We have really drawn down Europe and some of the things we used to have (I can't say specifically but in Sigonella we used to have a capability that could have taken care of this) are long gone. I mean I'm sure these politicians have this information available, I'm interested to see what these hearings hold on Thursday and specifically, how many dumb questions can be asked.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I am still way more knowledgable then you

Well you never show it in this forum bud... An insightful post from the pantherclub is like a lunar eclipse..

 

[pantherclub]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns.

This should be pretty classic.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Irony...

Keep showing your military knowledge there home boy.

hey why not just drop a nuke on the crowd, basically the same thing.

 

[pantherclub]

still waiting for your answer

 

[Carolina Hustler]

still waiting for your answer

I'm not in the military, and never have been.. I can't answer for how they would handle a situation like this, but neither can you..

But my assumption would be that firing a 50 cal, or a rocket at a crowd of combatants or a near by structure, or vehicle, would help to disperse them.. And fyi, like has been explained by another poster above, the idea of sending jets wasn't my own.. It was an argument by one our our countries great and honest politicians.. I assume they know more than you or I on the matter, getting the truth is another story all together..

Now, I know you are incapable of having a rational conversation about this, so in advance I'll tell you I'm ignoring any of your following attempts to continue trolling here..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Typical partisan sheep behavior here.. Someone doesn't agree with your side, attack...

 

[dickey moe]

Typical bipartisan sheep behavior here.. Someone doesn't agree with your side, attack...

I think you mean "partisan" but carry on...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Typical bipartisan sheep behavior here.. Someone doesn't agree with your side, attack...

I think you mean "partisan" but carry on...

lol.. yes..

 

[pantherclub]

still waiting for your answer

I'm not in the military, and never have been.. I can't answer for how they would handle a situation like this, but neither can you..

But my assumption would be that firing a 50 cal, or a rocket at a crowd of combatants or a near by structure, or vehicle, would help to disperse them.. And fyi, like has been explained by another poster above, the idea of sending jets wasn't my own.. It was an argument by one our our countries great and honest politicians.. I assume they know more than you or I on the matter, getting the truth is another story all together..

Now, I know you are incapable of having a rational conversation about this, so in advance I'll tell you I'm ignoring any of your following attempts to continue trolling here..

armchair generals are the best

 

[pantherclub]

Typical partisan sheep behavior here.. Someone doesn't agree with your side, attack...

Typical bipartisan sheep behavior here.. Someone doesn't agree with your side, attack...

I think you mean "partisan" but carry on...

lol

I rest my case your honor

 

[Fennis]

One of the militaries responses to to what happen in Benghazi was for AFRICOM to get its own special operation forces, so they will no longer be dependant on a response from Europe.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121204/DEFREG04/312040009/U-S-Africa-Command-Finally-Receives-Spec-Ops-Unit?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

 

[pittstownkiller]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns. This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Wow is this thing really still going on. I thought this was like the birther thing.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns. This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

How fast does an AC-130 fly and where was the closest one, Eisenhower?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

One of the militaries responses to to what happen in Benghazi was for AFRICOM to get its own special operation forces, so they will no longer be dependant on a response from Europe.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121204/DEFREG04/312040009/U-S-Africa-Command-Finally-Receives-Spec-Ops-Unit?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

Response would still be from Europe, they aren't going to be based in Africa. AFRICOM HQ is in Europe, so are almost all its assets.

 

[sporthenry]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns.

This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

However, no AC-130 Spectre gunships were coming from that Sicilian base that night. According to Kristen D. Duncan, a captain at the Air Force Special Operations Command, there were no AC-130s in Sigonella at the time of the Benghazi hostilities.

The Air Force keeps its supply of AC-130s at bases in Florida and New Mexico. According to a Defense Department official — and this is critical to a vetting of the Fox story — AC-130s are most commonly dispatched in conjunction with “preplanned operations,” such as the war in Afghanistan. Even so, the plane can also take aim at “targets of opportunity,” in accordance with the Air Force Special Operations’ motto of “Any Place, Any Time, Any Where.” Deployments to sudden international hotspots? Not so common, says the official. “It’s not a 911 kind of force,” says the official.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns.

This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

>However, no AC-130 Spectre gunships were coming from that Sicilian base that night. According to Kristen D. Duncan, a captain at the Air Force Special Operations Command, there were no AC-130s in Sigonella at the time of the Benghazi hostilities.

The Air Force keeps its supply of AC-130s at bases in Florida and New Mexico. According to a Defense Department official — and this is critical to a vetting of the Fox story — AC-130s are most commonly dispatched in conjunction with “preplanned operations,” such as the war in Afghanistan. Even so, the plane can also take aim at “targets of opportunity,” in accordance with the Air Force Special Operations’ motto of “Any Place, Any Time, Any Where.” Deployments to sudden international hotspots? Not so common, says the official. “It’s not a 911 kind of force,” says the official.

'Stand Down': U.S. Had Two Drones, AC-130 Gunship, and Targets Painted in BenghaziThere were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.' And so they missed the flight ... They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it."

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns.

This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

>However, no AC-130 Spectre gunships were coming from that Sicilian base that night. According to Kristen D. Duncan, a captain at the Air Force Special Operations Command, there were no AC-130s in Sigonella at the time of the Benghazi hostilities.

The Air Force keeps its supply of AC-130s at bases in Florida and New Mexico. According to a Defense Department official — and this is critical to a vetting of the Fox story — AC-130s are most commonly dispatched in conjunction with “preplanned operations,” such as the war in Afghanistan. Even so, the plane can also take aim at “targets of opportunity,” in accordance with the Air Force Special Operations’ motto of “Any Place, Any Time, Any Where.” Deployments to sudden international hotspots? Not so common, says the official. “It’s not a 911 kind of force,” says the off

icial.

'Stand Down': U.S. Had Two Drones, AC-130 Gunship, and Targets Painted in BenghaziThere were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.' And so they missed the flight ... They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it."

Any deployed Spooky would not be on the ground in Libya, unpossible. Any gunship support to Unified Protector would have been out of a secure location in another country or in southern Europe. Not sure about the drones, that would be right. Not sure what that last link is all about, but C-130 and AC 130 are different animals. They were boarding the C-130 to get airdropped? Combat landing? Not sure, maybe we'll find out.

 

[sporthenry]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns.

This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

>However, no AC-130 Spectre gunships were coming from that Sicilian base that night. According to Kristen D. Duncan, a captain at the Air Force Special Operations Command, there were no AC-130s in Sigonella at the time of the Benghazi hostilities.

The Air Force keeps its supply of AC-130s at bases in Florida and New Mexico. According to a Defense Department official — and this is critical to a vetting of the Fox story — AC-130s are most commonly dispatched in conjunction with “preplanned operations,” such as the war in Afghanistan. Even so, the plane can also take aim at “targets of opportunity,” in accordance with the Air Force Special Operations’ motto of “Any Place, Any Time, Any Where.” Deployments to sudden international hotspots? Not so common, says the official. “It’s not a 911 kind of force,” says the off

icial.

'Stand Down': U.S. Had Two Drones, AC-130 Gunship, and Targets Painted in BenghaziThere were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.' And so they missed the flight ... They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it."

First, the "team" which were ordered to stand down were 4 Special Operations guys. They had already sent 7 guys (2 Sp. Ops and 5 CIA guys) who actually paid $30K to charter a plane there and they got there in between battles. So they did send reinforcements. Secondly, those reinforcements wouldn't have gotten there till the fighting was over. I guess we can blame them b/c they didn't send them and had no way of knowing the fighting was over (granted at the time of sending them, they thought the fighting had been over for hours) but if we are going to engage in these hypotheticals, then we can question every decision ever made.

On to the AC 130, for one you are using Breitbart as a source. The drones were unarmed. And those reports about the AC 130 are from October so presumably they were wrong or else you'd be sure we'd hear a lot more about it. And that is why people have lost credibility over the issue because Republicans have pretty much thrown everything against the wall just to see what sticks and when their accusations are refuted, they just jump to the next one.

“Some have asked why other types of armed aircraft were not dispatched to Benghazi. The reason simply is because armed UAVs, AC-130 gunships or fixed-wing fighters, with the associated tanking, you’ve got to provide air refueling abilities; armaments – you’ve got to arm all the weapons before you put them on the planes. Targeting and support facilities were not in the vicinity of Libya,” Panetta testified. “Because of the distance, it would have taken at least nine to 12 hours, if not more, to deploy these forces to Benghazi.”

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns.

This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

>However, no AC-130 Spectre gunships were coming from that Sicilian base that night. According to Kristen D. Duncan, a captain at the Air Force Special Operations Command, there were no AC-130s in Sigonella at the time of the Benghazi hostilities.

The Air Force keeps its supply of AC-130s at bases in Florida and New Mexico. According to a Defense Department official — and this is critical to a vetting of the Fox story — AC-130s are most commonly dispatched in conjunction with “preplanned operations,” such as the war in Afghanistan. Even so, the plane can also take aim at “targets of opportunity,” in accordance with the Air Force Special Operations’ motto of “Any Place, Any Time, Any Where.” Deployments to sudden international hotspots? Not so common, says the official. “It’s not a 911 kind of force,” says the off

icial.

'Stand Down': U.S. Had Two Drones, AC-130 Gunship, and Targets Painted in BenghaziThere were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.' And so they missed the flight ... They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it."

First, the "team" which were ordered to stand down were 4 Special Operations guys. They had already sent 7 guys (2 Sp. Ops and 5 CIA guys) who actually paid $30K to charter a plane there and they got there in between battles. So they did send reinforcements. Secondly, those reinforcements wouldn't have gotten there till the fighting was over. I guess we can blame them b/c they didn't send them and had no way of knowing the fighting was over (granted at the time of sending them, they thought the fighting had been over for hours) but if we are going to engage in these hypotheticals, then we can question every decision ever made.

On to the AC 130, for one you are using Breitbart as a source. The drones were unarmed. And those reports about the AC 130 are from October so presumably they were wrong or else you'd be sure we'd hear a lot more about it. And that is why people have lost credibility over the issue because Republicans have pretty much thrown everything against the wall just to see what sticks and when their accusations are refuted, they just jump to the next one.

>>“Some have asked why other types of armed aircraft were not dispatched to Benghazi. The reason simply is because armed UAVs, AC-130 gunships or fixed-wing fighters, with the associated tanking, you’ve got to provide air refueling abilities; armaments – you’ve got to arm all the weapons before you put them on the planes. Targeting and support facilities were not in the vicinity of Libya,” Panetta testified. “Because of the distance, it would have taken at least nine to 12 hours, if not more, to deploy these forces to Benghazi.”

I think we aren't going to "hear more about it" unless the truth comes out and the allegations were true... For you to assume that since the claim has been quelled in the media it means the allegations were untrue is wishful thinking on your part. Obfuscation and deception are the tools of our politicians and media.

I'm content with the situation the way it is. There seems to be an effort to get the truth, though liberals wine and complain, it is happening none the less...

And as far as I'm concerned, Panetta is going to do and say what's best for the Obama administration. I'm not sure, considering the Obama administration is the one under fire here, that you can trust anything coming from that crowd... We've already been lied to, why do you assume everything else is true?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I can just say this for sure:

-AC-130 location and missions are among the most highly classified in the military.

-An AC 130 would not be left on the ground in Libya or any other location were they might be subject to mortar fire or any kind of ground attack. For missions in Afghanistan, they weren't flying out of Afghanistan even when we had a secure foothold. They are too valuable and their missions are too classified for that. Wings score!!!!

 

[sporthenry]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns.

This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

>However, no AC-130 Spectre gunships were coming from that Sicilian base that night. According to Kristen D. Duncan, a captain at the Air Force Special Operations Command, there were no AC-130s in Sigonella at the time of the Benghazi hostilities.

The Air Force keeps its supply of AC-130s at bases in Florida and New Mexico. According to a Defense Department official — and this is critical to a vetting of the Fox story — AC-130s are most commonly dispatched in conjunction with “preplanned operations,” such as the war in Afghanistan. Even so, the plane can also take aim at “targets of opportunity,” in accordance with the Air Force Special Operations’ motto of “Any Place, Any Time, Any Where.” Deployments to sudden international hotspots? Not so common, says the official. “It’s not a 911 kind of force,” says the off

icial.

'Stand Down': U.S. Had Two Drones, AC-130 Gunship, and Targets Painted in BenghaziThere were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.' And so they missed the flight ... They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it."

First, the "team" which were ordered to stand down were 4 Special Operations guys. They had already sent 7 guys (2 Sp. Ops and 5 CIA guys) who actually paid $30K to charter a plane there and they got there in between battles. So they did send reinforcements. Secondly, those reinforcements wouldn't have gotten there till the fighting was over. I guess we can blame them b/c they didn't send them and had no way of knowing the fighting was over (granted at the time of sending them, they thought the fighting had been over for hours) but if we are going to engage in these hypotheticals, then we can question every decision ever made.

On to the AC 130, for one you are using Breitbart as a source. The drones were unarmed. And those reports about the AC 130 are from October so presumably they were wrong or else you'd be sure we'd hear a lot more about it. And that is why people have lost credibility over the issue because Republicans have pretty much thrown everything against the wall just to see what sticks and when their accusations are refuted, they just jump to the next one.

>>“Some have asked why other types of armed aircraft were not dispatched to Benghazi. The reason simply is because armed UAVs, AC-130 gunships or fixed-wing fighters, with the associated tanking, you’ve got to provide air refueling abilities; armaments – you’ve got to arm all the weapons before you put them on the planes. Targeting and support facilities were not in the vicinity of Libya,” Panetta testified. “Because of the distance, it would have taken at least nine to 12 hours, if not more, to deploy these forces to Benghazi.&

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I think we aren't going to "hear more about it" unless the truth comes out and the allegations were true... For you to assume that since the claim has been quelled in the media it means the allegations were untrue is wishful thinking on your part. Obfuscation and deception are the tools of our politicians and media.

I'm content with the situation the way it is. There seems to be an effort to get the truth, though liberals wine and complain, it is happening none the less...

And as far as I'm concerned, Panetta is going to do and say what's best for the Obama administration. I'm not sure, considering the Obama administration is the one under fire here, that you can trust anything coming from that crowd... We've already been lied to, why do you assume everything else is true?

The media didn't quell it. Panetta quelled it. The media never ran with it, unless you consider Breitbart media in which case, there is nothing stopping him from running with it, other than it is just false.

You keep saying, how can we trust anything coming from that crowd. How can we trust anything coming from your crowd? As I've said multiple times, they have thrown out dozens of accusations many of which have proven false. So why in the hell would I believe anything they are spewing when they are clearly grasping at straws. Sure, you can think Panetta is trying to save Obama's ### but this is sworn testimony to Congress. If this wasn't the case, then we'd get the whistle blowers who could say the AC 130 was in Libya. Not the whistle blower who says, "well if we flew something over, they might have stopped in my professional opinion" or "if those 4 guys didn't stand down and got here hours after the fighting ended, something might have been different."

Call me naive or gullible but I'm going to take their statements at face value until proven otherwise. The kind of cover up that you people think is happening would be near impossible to get from top to bottom. But I guess there are two types of people. People who want to see the conspiracy in everything and people who like to take everything at face value. Maybe I look like an idiot but life is sure as hell a lot more enjoyable than thinking someone is lying to me my whole life.

 

[timschochet]

Can't imagine there is a bigger, more glaring example of the ridiculous media bias in this country than with this story.Sad that people on this board and in this administration would rather mock the tragedy than figure out what happened.

We're you outraged about Abu Ghraib? How about Valerie Plame?

So similar to Benghazi right?

The similarity is pretty obvious. It's a political story that partisans jump on because they're positive that the President did something evil and wrong. So there's hearings and a search for a smoking gun, and there is no result- because there is no smoking gun, and nobody really cares anyhow.

Here are some others in the past 30 years:

Started by Democrats against a Republican President:

October Surprise

Iran-Contra

Support for El Salvador's death squads

Downing Street Memo

George W. Bush's military record

Abu Ghraib

Valerie Plame

Started by Republicans against a Democrat President:

Whitewater

Travel Office firings

Death of Vince Foster

FBI files

Monica Lewinsky

Fast and Furious

Benghazi

After a while, these investigations all start to run together. They're all so similar, and so boring. And partisans are always positive that they're going to bring the President down. And nothing ever happens.

 

[Fennis]

One of the militaries responses to to what happen in Benghazi was for AFRICOM to get its own special operation forces, so they will no longer be dependant on a response from Europe.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121204/DEFREG04/312040009/U-S-Africa-Command-Finally-Receives-Spec-Ops-Unit?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

Response would still be from Europe, they aren't going to be based in Africa. AFRICOM HQ is in Europe, so are almost all its assets.

For now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

One of the militaries responses to to what happen in Benghazi was for AFRICOM to get its own special operation forces, so they will no longer be dependant on a response from Europe.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121204/DEFREG04/312040009/U-S-Africa-Command-Finally-Receives-Spec-Ops-Unit?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

Response would still be from Europe, they aren't going to be based in Africa. AFRICOM HQ is in Europe, so are almost all its assets.

For now.

There are geopolitical implications, China in particular does not want our troops stationed anywhere in Africa and have threatened to do the same if we put boots on the ground. I can see caretaker locations and a small footprint, we've been doing that in places like Mail, Cameroon, Morocco and Mozambique for years. Our last real base in Africa was Wheeler AFB in Libya, that was quite a long time ago. We can maintain reach from Italy and Southern Spain so if we have established forward operating bases and established contacts, we can jump in and jump right back out.

I don't see us having any type of long-term basing there although Togo was wooing us a few years ago to build an air base on an island off their coast. Just too much instability in Africa and too much backdoor politics.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Mark I. Thompson, a former Marine and now the deputy coordinator for operations in the State Department’s counterterrorism bureau, is expected to level the allegation that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a key aide effectively tried to cut his department out of the chain of reporting and decision-making. His testimony is set to begin on Wednesday before Chairman Darrell Issa’s House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Thompson considers himself a whistle-blower whose account was suppressed by the official investigative panel that Clinton convened to review the episode, the Accountability Review Board (ARB). Thompson’s lawyer, Joseph diGenova, a former U.S. attorney, has further alleged that his client has been subjected to threats and intimidation by as-yet-unnamed superiors at State, in advance of his cooperation with Congress.

 

[matuski]

Mark I. Thompson, a former Marine and now the deputy coordinator for operations in the State Department’s counterterrorism bureau, is expected to level the allegation that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a key aide effectively tried to cut his department out of the chain of reporting and decision-making. His testimony is set to begin on Wednesday before Chairman Darrell Issa’s House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Thompson considers himself a whistle-blower whose account was suppressed by the official investigative panel that Clinton convened to review the episode, the Accountability Review Board (ARB). Thompson’s lawyer, Joseph diGenova, a former U.S. attorney, has further alleged that his client has been subjected to threats and intimidation by as-yet-unnamed superiors at State, in advance of his cooperation with Congress.

"Keep trying ####, and tryin ####, and tryin ####, and tryin.... #### didn't work the first time, ain't gonna work the 5th time either."

 

[pittstownkiller]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns. This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

How fast does an AC-130 fly and where was the closest one, Eisenhower?

The post I replied to had to do with a jet providing cover; I never said in this particular case it would be feasible. Since you have top secret access why don't you tell us where the "closest" AC-130 was located.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Mark I. Thompson, a former Marine and now the deputy coordinator for operations in the State Department’s counterterrorism bureau, is expected to level the allegation that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a key aide effectively tried to cut his department out of the chain of reporting and decision-making. His testimony is set to begin on Wednesday before Chairman Darrell Issa’s House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Thompson considers himself a whistle-blower whose account was suppressed by the official investigative panel that Clinton convened to review the episode, the Accountability Review Board (ARB). Thompson’s lawyer, Joseph diGenova, a former U.S. attorney, has further alleged that his client has been subjected to threats and intimidation by as-yet-unnamed superiors at State, in advance of his cooperation with Congress.

"Keep trying ####, and tryin ####, and tryin ####, and tryin.... #### didn't work the first time, ain't gonna work the 5th time either."

Trying to what? I'm just posting information..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

State Department and White House spokespeople initially blamed the attack, which occurred less than two months before presidential elections, on a mob that formed spontaneously in response to an anti-Muslim video that appeared on the Internet.

But several members of Congress say the initial assessment of the CIA that the attack was an operation by al-Qaeda linked terrorists was edited out of talking points disseminated by the Obama administration to the American public.

"It was scrubbed, it was totally inaccurate, there's no excuse for that," Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns. This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

How fast does an AC-130 fly and where was the closest one, Eisenhower?

The post I replied to had to do with a jet providing cover; I never said in this particular case it would be feasible. Since you have top secret access why don't you tell us where the "closest" AC-130 was located.

You're a lot like Tim only you never know what the hell you are talking about.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns. This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

How fast does an AC-130 fly and where was the closest one, Eisenhower?

The post I replied to had to do with a jet providing cover; I never said in this particular case it would be feasible. Since you have top secret access why don't you tell us where the "closest" AC-130 was located.

You're a lot like Tim only you never know what the hell you are talking about.

 

[FootballDummy]

I am really interested in hearing Hustlers answer about the jets with rockets, bombs and guns. This should be pretty classic.

An AC-130 would have been more than capable of dispersing the crowd; it has been reported that the (ex)seal(s) at the CIA Annex had laser illuminators. An AC-130 has a range of over 2,500 miles.

How fast does an AC-130 fly and where was the closest one, Eisenhower?

The post I replied to had to do with a jet providing cover; I never said in this particular case it would be feasible. Since you have top secret access why don't you tell us where the "closest" AC-130 was located.

You're a lot like Tim only you never know what the hell you are talking about.

Sick burn.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Holy crap. People are still talking about this?

Better come up with some stronger juice before 2016 GOPers. If this is all you got Hillary's a shoe in.

 

[sporthenry]

State Department and White House spokespeople initially blamed the attack, which occurred less than two months before presidential elections, on a mob that formed spontaneously in response to an anti-Muslim video that appeared on the Internet.

But several members of Congress say the initial assessment of the CIA that the attack was an operation by al-Qaeda linked terrorists was edited out of talking points disseminated by the Obama administration to the American public.

"It was scrubbed, it was totally inaccurate, there's no excuse for that," Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass

See this is what I'm talking about. I thought a couple pages back, we said we wanted to know why security wasn't beefed up or why no military responded. After getting some of your theories debunked, you jump back to the talking points crap. This is why Republicans lose credibility b/c after one allegation is refuted, they just jump to another one. So did we establish that the military response was adequate?

Here is a hint. Most people don't give a #### what it was labeled in the immediate hours after the attack. Most people realized the investigation would eventually bring to light who did it, but I guess you conspiracy theorists really think the government was just going to lie to us forever about it but that doesn't seem plausible in today's society.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This is a problem for Obama because why else would they have spent so much effort shoehorning this into the bogus video claim?

These things do have an effect, even if presidents are not deposed.

Nixon was deposed but they had LIVE tape on the guy, no way that happens here.

They may have emails on Obama & Co. though.

These things do have an electoral effect:

- Iraq War - Bush Jr. & GOP ended up losing Congress and the WH 2006-08 and the effects are still being felt. Part of it was the handling of the war itself post-victory, but much of it had to do with mistrust over WMD. Issue: Lies.

- Bush's 'no new taxes pledge' broken - well he went down in a party schism. Issue: Lies.

- Clinton's subborning of perjury (aka Lewinskygate) - Clinton was impeached and lost control of Congress, with a few variations a Southern quasi-Republican whose presidency people of both parties still seem pretty happy with to this day, maybe because the Congress for once took the reins back from the imperial presidency. Issue: Lies.

- Carter & 'who lost Iran' - in came Reagan. Issue: incompetence.

- Truman & 'who lost China' - Truman hung on for reelection but the Congress went heavily Republican. Issue: incompetence.

- Nixon & Watergate - delayed the GOP surge and brought in Carter. Issue: Lies.

Obama won with fewer votes and fewer electoral votes in his 2nd term, the only time that has happened in modern history, and he got a very big boost by the media being hyperfocused on Sandy in the closing week, with a slight assist from Candy Crowley. He has a health care bill that is a fiscal albatross in 2014 and which he had to pass with the promise of an executive order for Congreesmen on the fence because of the abortion issue, and he has an immigration law that was done by executive order with no Congressional approval. He has no other agenda victories.

Possible lies and incompetence arise here. Most likely Obama and his political team felt they had to shield themselves from events in Libya in order to secure victory in Novemer 2012. It's sad but that's what happened, now whether he really needed to do that I don't know but they clearly felt that way. He's gotten through this one time before with the selling of the Senate seat by Blagojevich, I am not sure he can just keep tripping around like this. Of course he won't be forced out of office but there will be damage and there already has been, just look how his team is acting.