U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (2 Viewers)

[Thunderlips]

This is a pretty big deal.

It wasn't the action of a government, or by anyone sponsored by a government, so far as we know. It was apparently the action of some very religious fanatics who take insults to Islam far too seriously. Obviously we've always known these people are out there and prevalent in Islamic countries. Not sure what if anything we can do about it.

But the Libyan government has the obligation to protect the US Embassy. They failed in this and it resulted in the death of the US Ambassador.Its a big deal.

What would you have us do about it? Shall we invade Libya? Replace the government there? Cut off all aid and allow a rabid Islamist regime to take over?

No. There's nothing the US can do.

Outside of beefing up security a little, which still won't be a guarantee of future safety, this seems about right to me.What do some of you want us to do?

Chuck Norris?

 

[badmojo1006]

Here's the problem...

For normal people, Islam can be practiced very moderately. It says in the Koran than people can interpret it how they wish so many choose to ignore parts they don't agree with - just as Christians do. In fact, people don't have to pray, go to mosque, can eat pork and still be Muslim.

However, the huge failing with Islam is two-fold:

- At Islam's core (and what differentiates itself from Christianity) is that it expects submission to God and it taught to not just be a religion, but a way of life.

- many people are too ignorant to interpret themselves so they rely on imams ('experts') to tell them what to do.

So you take a religion that expects submission, combine it with stupid people whose identify is wrapped up in a religion and leaders who want to have power over people and what you have is a cluster####.

Sorry but this is how a good Christian is supposed to act Job 21"Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you

 

[timschochet]

Talk about pathetic. Romney slams Obama over handling of incident

The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.

You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.

Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.

As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.

 

[E Street Brat]

This is a pretty big deal.

It wasn't the action of a government, or by anyone sponsored by a government, so far as we know. It was apparently the action of some very religious fanatics who take insults to Islam far too seriously. Obviously we've always known these people are out there and prevalent in Islamic countries. Not sure what if anything we can do about it.

But the Libyan government has the obligation to protect the US Embassy. They failed in this and it resulted in the death of the US Ambassador.Its a big deal.

What would you have us do about it? Shall we invade Libya? Replace the government there? Cut off all aid and allow a rabid Islamist regime to take over?

No. There's nothing the US can do.

Outside of beefing up security a little, which still won't be a guarantee of future safety, this seems about right to me.What do some of you want us to do?

Ever see the movie "Rules of Engagement"Waste the mother####ers

 

[roadkill1292]

I was, however, amused by this observation.

Mohamed al-Zawahiri -- the brother of al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri -- added, "We called for the peaceful protest joined by different Islamic factions including the Islamicc Jihad (and the) Hazem Abu Ismael movement."

"We were surprised to see the big numbers show up, including the soccer Ultra fans," he said. "I just want to say, how would the Americans feel if films insulting leading Christian figures like the pope or historical figures like Abraham Lincoln were produced?"

There would be ten thousand jokes made about it on the internet. Don't they get that?

 

[roadkill1292]

This is a pretty big deal.

It wasn't the action of a government, or by anyone sponsored by a government, so far as we know. It was apparently the action of some very religious fanatics who take insults to Islam far too seriously. Obviously we've always known these people are out there and prevalent in Islamic countries. Not sure what if anything we can do about it.

But the Libyan government has the obligation to protect the US Embassy. They failed in this and it resulted in the death of the US Ambassador.Its a big deal.

What would you have us do about it? Shall we invade Libya? Replace the government there? Cut off all aid and allow a rabid Islamist regime to take over?

No. There's nothing the US can do.

Outside of beefing up security a little, which still won't be a guarantee of future safety, this seems about right to me.What do some of you want us to do?

Ever see the movie "Rules of Engagement"Waste the mother####ers

Which mother####ers?

 

[cstu]

Here's the problem...

For normal people, Islam can be practiced very moderately. It says in the Koran than people can interpret it how they wish so many choose to ignore parts they don't agree with - just as Christians do. In fact, people don't have to pray, go to mosque, can eat pork and still be Muslim.

However, the huge failing with Islam is two-fold:

- At Islam's core (and what differentiates itself from Christianity) is that it expects submission to God and it taught to not just be a religion, but a way of life.

- many people are too ignorant to interpret themselves so they rely on imams ('experts') to tell them what to do.

So you take a religion that expects submission, combine it with stupid people whose identify is wrapped up in a religion and leaders who want to have power over people and what you have is a cluster####.

Sorry but this is how a good Christian is supposed to act Job 21"Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you

How many Christians even know that passage? I was raised Christian and I don't remember it. Submission is deeply ingrained into the minds of Muslims.

 

[timschochet]

I was, however, amused by this observation.

Mohamed al-Zawahiri -- the brother of al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri -- added, "We called for the peaceful protest joined by different Islamic factions including the Islamicc Jihad (and the) Hazem Abu Ismael movement."

"We were surprised to see the big numbers show up, including the soccer Ultra fans," he said. "I just want to say, how would the Americans feel if films insulting leading Christian figures like the pope or historical figures like Abraham Lincoln were produced?"

There would be ten thousand jokes made about it on the internet. Don't they get that?

No they don't. And most of them never will. The best analogy to this film, based on the description of it I read, is Scorcese's "The Last Temptation of Christ", which portrayed Jesus having sex with His disciples. In this country, the typical Christian response to that movie was to boycott it, and there were some peaceful protests in big cities at the time. But we live in a free, civilized society.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Talk about pathetic. Romney slams Obama over handling of incident

The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.

You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.

Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.

As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

 

[badmojo1006]

Here's the problem...

For normal people, Islam can be practiced very moderately. It says in the Koran than people can interpret it how they wish so many choose to ignore parts they don't agree with - just as Christians do. In fact, people don't have to pray, go to mosque, can eat pork and still be Muslim.

However, the huge failing with Islam is two-fold:

- At Islam's core (and what differentiates itself from Christianity) is that it expects submission to God and it taught to not just be a religion, but a way of life.

- many people are too ignorant to interpret themselves so they rely on imams ('experts') to tell them what to do.

So you take a religion that expects submission, combine it with stupid people whose identify is wrapped up in a religion and leaders who want to have power over people and what you have is a cluster####.

Sorry but this is how a good Christian is supposed to act Job 21"Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you

How many Christians even know that passage? I was raised Christian and I don't remember it. Submission is deeply ingrained into the minds of Muslims.

Ask Cross-Eyed or any of the other Christians on this board, giving your life over to Jesus/God is deeply ingrained

 

[Apple Jack]

Talk about pathetic. Romney slams Obama over handling of incident

The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.

You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.

Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.

As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

 

[cstu]

Talk about pathetic. Romney slams Obama over handling of incident

The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.

You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.

Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.

As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

What would have been your brilliant response - "It's just a movie, folks, move along."?

 

[cstu]

Here's the problem...

For normal people, Islam can be practiced very moderately. It says in the Koran than people can interpret it how they wish so many choose to ignore parts they don't agree with - just as Christians do. In fact, people don't have to pray, go to mosque, can eat pork and still be Muslim.

However, the huge failing with Islam is two-fold:

- At Islam's core (and what differentiates itself from Christianity) is that it expects submission to God and it taught to not just be a religion, but a way of life.

- many people are too ignorant to interpret themselves so they rely on imams ('experts') to tell them what to do.

So you take a religion that expects submission, combine it with stupid people whose identify is wrapped up in a religion and leaders who want to have power over people and what you have is a cluster####.

Sorry but this is how a good Christian is supposed to act Job 21"Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you

How many Christians even know that passage? I was raised Christian and I don't remember it. Submission is deeply ingrained into the minds of Muslims.

Ask Cross-Eyed or any of the other Christians on this board, giving your life over to Jesus/God is deeply ingrained

And that's part of the new Christian fundamentalism that scares the bejeesus about of me too.

 

[rascal]

Boy, what a disaster our "kinetic military action" has turned out to be.

The foreign policy decisions of the Obama adminstration along with the massive accumulation of debt are going to go down in history as some of the most deleterious of all time.

Iraq down?

 

[Trey]

Talk about pathetic. Romney slams Obama over handling of incident

The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.

You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.

Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.

As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

Well then fortunately for all of us that the statement was released prior to the death of the Libyan ambassador..

 

[Jim11]

Won't meet with Netanyahu. Won't condemn Muslim attacks on our Embassies. What a surprise.

 

[The Ref]

I'm not sure that when Arab nations talk about the USA that the word weak comes up very often. The statement is fine for now. What are we suposed to do this very day? Nuke em? This isn't a Video Game.

 

[beer 302]

Wonder what happened? Typically the embassy's are protected with a contingent of marines, no?

I'm curious about this too. You would think that an embassy in Libya, of all places, would be hardened somehow.

Exactly. I went to the embassy in Tanzania and it was like Fort Knox in there.

Wasn't that one of the embassy's that got blowed up in the 90's? I would expect it to be if so.

He didn't die in Libya. He died on US soil.

So it's like he was driving through Harlem and just took a random stray to the noggin. Got it. Which city gets credit for the kill? Washington?

Which mother####ers?

Start with ALL and pair it down from there. I know there is a very small contingent of marines and they have very strict rules of engagement in situations like this and most embassy's are vulnerable to this type of attack regardless of how many times it happens (remember Iran?). Hat's off to them because normal folk like ourselves would have probably emptied the armory.

 

[H8tank]

Netanyahu had a msg that Libyans were intent on killing the ambassador, hussein was to busy preparing for a letterman appearance to attend the daily briefing.

 

[badmojo1006]

Netanyahu had a msg that Libyans were intent on killing the ambassador, hussein was to busy preparing for a letterman appearance to attend the daily briefing.

Thanks for your insight Princess Paul

 

[pittstownkiller]

Talk about pathetic. Romney slams Obama over handling of incident

The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.

You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.

Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.

As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

What would have been your brilliant response - "It's just a movie, folks, move along."?

How about: "Our embassies are the sovereign territory of the United States, its personnel diplomats; no attacks upon either will tolerated and will be answered in force".

 

[The Ref]

Netanyahu had a msg that Libyans were intent on killing the ambassador, hussein was to busy preparing for a letterman appearance to attend the daily briefing.

Link?

 

[pittstownkiller]

I'm not sure that when Arab nations talk about the USA that the word weak comes up very often. The statement is fine for now. What are we suposed to do this very day? Nuke em? This isn't a Video Game.

Thanks for the input, I hope you didn't strain yourself here.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Rocket Propelled Grenades. Syrians take their protesting seriously.

 

[roadkill1292]

Which mother####ers?

Start with ALL and pair it down from there. I know there is a very small contingent of marines and they have very strict rules of engagement in situations like this and most embassy's are vulnerable to this type of attack regardless of how many times it happens (remember Iran?). Hat's off to them because normal folk like ourselves would have probably emptied the armory.

This isn't very specific.

 

[cstu]

Wonder what happened? Typically the embassy's are protected with a contingent of marines, no?

I'm curious about this too. You would think that an embassy in Libya, of all places, would be hardened somehow.

Exactly. I went to the embassy in Tanzania and it was like Fort Knox in there.

Wasn't that one of the embassy's that got blowed up in the 90's? I would expect it to be if so.

Well, yes, but it's a stable country not one that just had a revolution. You would have thought they would have beefed up security considering recent events.

 

[timschochet]

Talk about pathetic. Romney slams Obama over handling of incident

The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.

You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.

Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.

As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

What would have been your brilliant response - "It's just a movie, folks, move along."?

How about: "Our embassies are the sovereign territory of the United States, its personnel diplomats; no attacks upon either will tolerated and will be answered in force".

Dio you believe this would help diffuse the situation?

 

[Uwe Blab]

Aaaand, as is typical they paraded the dead bodies around. Animals.

 

[smotherhook]

Well I hope this can be worked through without sending in military forces from the U.S.

Why dont you get a flight over there and try to talk to them.

 

[cstu]

Rocket Propelled Grenades. Syrians take their protesting seriously.

Exactly! This is what I tried to tell my fellow Occupiers.

 

[CrossEyed]

Here's the problem...

For normal people, Islam can be practiced very moderately. It says in the Koran than people can interpret it how they wish so many choose to ignore parts they don't agree with - just as Christians do. In fact, people don't have to pray, go to mosque, can eat pork and still be Muslim.

However, the huge failing with Islam is two-fold:

- At Islam's core (and what differentiates itself from Christianity) is that it expects submission to God and it taught to not just be a religion, but a way of life.

- many people are too ignorant to interpret themselves so they rely on imams ('experts') to tell them what to do.

So you take a religion that expects submission, combine it with stupid people whose identify is wrapped up in a religion and leaders who want to have power over people and what you have is a cluster####.

Sorry but this is how a good Christian is supposed to act Job 21"Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you

How many Christians even know that passage? I was raised Christian and I don't remember it. Submission is deeply ingrained into the minds of Muslims.

Ask Cross-Eyed or any of the other Christians on this board, giving your life over to Jesus/God is deeply ingrained

And that's part of the new Christian fundamentalism that scares the bejeesus about of me too.

It's not the people who submit to God that should scare you. It's the people who want to do what they want to do and blame it on submission to God that should scare you.

 

[cstu]

Won't meet with Netanyahu. Won't condemn Muslim attacks on our Embassies. What a surprise.

Maybe that D'Souza guy has a point, right?

 

[Apple Jack]

Talk about pathetic. Romney slams Obama over handling of incident

The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.

You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.

Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.

As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

What would have been your brilliant response - "It's just a movie, folks, move along."?

How about: "Our embassies are the sovereign territory of the United States, its personnel diplomats; no attacks upon either will tolerated and will be answered in force".

Hell, that'll put such a scare into them that they'll never want to mess with another American again! How do you suppose we demonstrate this in this case, btw?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

If the statement set the right tone why is the Administration doing its best to try to distance itself from it?

 

[glock]

From what I heard over the radio, this movie was financed by that same fun-loving dude who burned the Qu'run on television, Pastor Terry Jones. The film features Muhammad having lewd sex and behaving rather badly.

How is that relevant?

I thought it was interesting that the movie was made by this same guy. Doesn't excuse anything.

Although purposely looking to inflame anti-American sentiments among the fun loving and ever looking for a reason terrorist community should come back to bite this guy in the ### somehow. Just sayin'...

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Well I feel better now - Sarah Palin's statement

Apparently President Obama can’t see Egypt and Libya from his house. On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks ever perpetrated on America, our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi were attacked by violent Islamic mobs. In Cairo, they scaled the walls of our embassy, destroyed our flag, and replaced it with a black Islamic banner. In Benghazi, the armed gunmen set fire to our consulate and killed an American staff member. The Islamic radicals claim that these attacks are in protest to some film criticizing Islam. In response to this, the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued a statement that was so outrageous many of us thought it must be a satire. The embassy actually apologized to the violent mob attacking us, and it even went so far as to chastise those who use free speech to “hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.” (Funny, the current administration has no problem hurting the “religious feelings” of Catholics.)

But where is the president’s statement about this? These countries represent his much touted “Arab Spring.” How’s that Arab Spring working out for us now? Have we received an apology yet from our “friends” in the Muslim Brotherhood for the assault on our embassy?

It’s about time our president stood up for America and condemned these Islamic extremists. I realize there must be a lot on his mind these days – what with our economy’s abysmal jobless numbers and Moody’s new warning about yet another downgrade to our nation’s credit rating due to the current administration’s failure to come up with a credible deficit reduction plan. And, of course, he has a busy schedule – with all those rounds of golf, softball interviews with the “Pimp with the Limp,” and fundraising dinners with his corporate cronies. But our nation’s security should be of utmost importance to our Commander-in-chief. America can’t afford any more “leading from behind” in such a dangerous world. We already know that President Obama likes to “speak softly” to our enemies. If he doesn’t have a “big stick” to carry, maybe it’s time for him to grow one.

- Sarah Palin

 

[timschochet]

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

If the statement set the right tone why is the Administration doing its best to try to distance itself from it?

For domestic political reasons. So that independent voters in swing states don't question him on this.

 

[dickey moe]

Fruits of an Arab Spring.

 

[pittstownkiller]

How about: "Our embassies are the sovereign territory of the United States, its personnel diplomats; no attacks upon either will tolerated and will be answered in force".

Dio you believe this would help diffuse the situation?

Absolutely in comparison to what was released. It would be very easy to interpret the press release as an understanding for the outrage. Funny it sounds like Hillary is espousing some of my very points.

 

[timschochet]

Well I feel better now - Sarah Palin's statementApparently President Obama can't see Egypt and Libya from his house. On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks ever perpetrated on America, our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi were attacked by violent Islamic mobs. In Cairo, they scaled the walls of our embassy, destroyed our flag, and replaced it with a black Islamic banner. In Benghazi, the armed gunmen set fire to our consulate and killed an American staff member. The Islamic radicals claim that these attacks are in protest to some film criticizing Islam. In response to this, the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued a statement that was so outrageous many of us thought it must be a satire. The embassy actually apologized to the violent mob attacking us, and it even went so far as to chastise those who use free speech to "hurt the religious feelings of Muslims." (Funny, the current administration has no problem hurting the "religious feelings" of Catholics.)But where is the president's statement about this? These countries represent his much touted "Arab Spring." How's that Arab Spring working out for us now? Have we received an apology yet from our "friends" in the Muslim Brotherhood for the assault on our embassy? It's about time our president stood up for America and condemned these Islamic extremists. I realize there must be a lot on his mind these days – what with our economy's abysmal jobless numbers and Moody's new warning about yet another downgrade to our nation's credit rating due to the current administration's failure to come up with a credible deficit reduction plan. And, of course, he has a busy schedule – with all those rounds of golf, softball interviews with the "Pimp with the Limp," and fundraising dinners with his corporate cronies. But our nation's security should be of utmost importance to our Commander-in-chief. America can't afford any more "leading from behind" in such a dangerous world. We already know that President Obama likes to "speak softly" to our enemies. If he doesn't have a "big stick" to carry, maybe it's time for him to grow one.- Sarah Palin

Not surprising, but extremely distasteful.

 

[The Ref]

I'm not sure that when Arab nations talk about the USA that the word weak comes up very often. The statement is fine for now. What are we suposed to do this very day? Nuke em? This isn't a Video Game.

Thanks for the input, I hope you didn't strain yourself here.

Wut?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

If the statement set the right tone why is the Administration doing its best to try to distance itself from it?

For domestic political reasons. So that independent voters in swing states don't question him on this.

I agree heartily; it is another reason the wording of this is so poor.

 

[Apple Jack]

Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.

If the statement set the right tone why is the Administration doing its best to try to distance itself from it?

Because of people like you who think it matters that we not look "weak" to the crazy extremist types who both know we have the might to blow them off the face of the Earth a billion times over AND don't care. You've seen too many John Wayne movies.

 

[timschochet]

How about: "Our embassies are the sovereign territory of the United States, its personnel diplomats; no attacks upon either will tolerated and will be answered in force".

Dio you believe this would help diffuse the situation?

Absolutely in comparison to what was released. It would be very easy to interpret the press release as an understanding for the outrage. Funny it sounds like Hillary is espousing some of my very points.

Obviously we disagree. And Hillary's comments, after the fact, were meant for domestic consumption.

 

[dickey moe]

Aaaand, as is typical they paraded the dead bodies around. Animals.

Has this been confirmed? I haven't seen this reported yet.

 

[cstu]

Well I feel better now - Sarah Palin's statement

Apparently President Obama can’t see Egypt and Libya from his house. On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks ever perpetrated on America, our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi were attacked by violent Islamic mobs. In Cairo, they scaled the walls of our embassy, destroyed our flag, and replaced it with a black Islamic banner. In Benghazi, the armed gunmen set fire to our consulate and killed an American staff member. The Islamic radicals claim that these attacks are in protest to some film criticizing Islam. In response to this, the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued a statement that was so outrageous many of us thought it must be a satire. The embassy actually apologized to the violent mob attacking us, and it even went so far as to chastise those who use free speech to “hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.” (Funny, the current administration has no problem hurting the “religious feelings” of Catholics.)

But where is the president’s statement about this? These countries represent his much touted “Arab Spring.” How’s that Arab Spring working out for us now? Have we received an apology yet from our “friends” in the Muslim Brotherhood for the assault on our embassy?

It’s about time our president stood up for America and condemned these Islamic extremists. I realize there must be a lot on his mind these days – what with our economy’s abysmal jobless numbers and Moody’s new warning about yet another downgrade to our nation’s credit rating due to the current administration’s failure to come up with a credible deficit reduction plan. And, of course, he has a busy schedule – with all those rounds of golf, softball interviews with the “Pimp with the Limp,” and fundraising dinners with his corporate cronies. But our nation’s security should be of utmost importance to our Commander-in-chief. America can’t afford any more “leading from behind” in such a dangerous world. We already know that President Obama likes to “speak softly” to our enemies. If he doesn’t have a “big stick” to carry, maybe it’s time for him to grow one.

- Sarah Palin

He does, it's called a Gray Eagle.

 

[Apple Jack]

Well I feel better now - Sarah Palin's statementApparently President Obama can't see Egypt and Libya from his house. On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks ever perpetrated on America, our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi were attacked by violent Islamic mobs. In Cairo, they scaled the walls of our embassy, destroyed our flag, and replaced it with a black Islamic banner. In Benghazi, the armed gunmen set fire to our consulate and killed an American staff member. The Islamic radicals claim that these attacks are in protest to some film criticizing Islam. In response to this, the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued a statement that was so outrageous many of us thought it must be a satire. The embassy actually apologized to the violent mob attacking us, and it even went so far as to chastise those who use free speech to "hurt the religious feelings of Muslims." (Funny, the current administration has no problem hurting the "religious feelings" of Catholics.)But where is the president's statement about this? These countries represent his much touted "Arab Spring." How's that Arab Spring working out for us now? Have we received an apology yet from our "friends" in the Muslim Brotherhood for the assault on our embassy? It's about time our president stood up for America and condemned these Islamic extremists. I realize there must be a lot on his mind these days – what with our economy's abysmal jobless numbers and Moody's new warning about yet another downgrade to our nation's credit rating due to the current administration's failure to come up with a credible deficit reduction plan. And, of course, he has a busy schedule – with all those rounds of golf, softball interviews with the "Pimp with the Limp," and fundraising dinners with his corporate cronies. But our nation's security should be of utmost importance to our Commander-in-chief. America can't afford any more "leading from behind" in such a dangerous world. We already know that President Obama likes to "speak softly" to our enemies. If he doesn't have a "big stick" to carry, maybe it's time for him to grow one.- Sarah Palin

Not surprising, but extremely distasteful.

Is that for real? Did she really open that statement with a punchline?

 

[Paul Bremer]

Won't meet with Netanyahu. Won't condemn Muslim attacks on our Embassies. What a surprise.

This guy gets it.:muslim:

 

[pittstownkiller]

From what I heard over the radio, this movie was financed by that same fun-loving dude who burned the Qu'run on television, Pastor Terry Jones. The film features Muhammad having lewd sex and behaving rather badly.

How is that relevant?

I thought it was interesting that the movie was made by this same guy. Doesn't excuse anything.

Although purposely looking to inflame anti-American sentiments among the fun loving and ever looking for a reason terrorist community should come back to bite this guy in the ### somehow. Just sayin'...

Yeah, nothing says America better than hoping for someone to get hurt by exercising their free speech; USA, USA, USA!

 

[Apple Jack]

Won't meet with Netanyahu. Won't condemn Muslim attacks on our Embassies. What a surprise.

This guy struggles to dress himself.:spitbubbles:

Fixed for accuracy.