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U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (3 Viewers)

"The serious consequences of unjustified offence and provocations against the sensibilities of Muslim believers are once again evident,” Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said in a statement released on Wednesday."The reactions they arouse, sometimes with tragic results, which in their turn nourish tension and hatred, unleashing unacceptable violence," he said.
 
Well I feel better now - Sarah Palin's statementApparently President Obama can't see Egypt and Libya from his house. On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks ever perpetrated on America, our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi were attacked by violent Islamic mobs. In Cairo, they scaled the walls of our embassy, destroyed our flag, and replaced it with a black Islamic banner. In Benghazi, the armed gunmen set fire to our consulate and killed an American staff member. The Islamic radicals claim that these attacks are in protest to some film criticizing Islam. In response to this, the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued a statement that was so outrageous many of us thought it must be a satire. The embassy actually apologized to the violent mob attacking us, and it even went so far as to chastise those who use free speech to "hurt the religious feelings of Muslims." (Funny, the current administration has no problem hurting the "religious feelings" of Catholics.)But where is the president's statement about this? These countries represent his much touted "Arab Spring." How's that Arab Spring working out for us now? Have we received an apology yet from our "friends" in the Muslim Brotherhood for the assault on our embassy? It's about time our president stood up for America and condemned these Islamic extremists. I realize there must be a lot on his mind these days – what with our economy's abysmal jobless numbers and Moody's new warning about yet another downgrade to our nation's credit rating due to the current administration's failure to come up with a credible deficit reduction plan. And, of course, he has a busy schedule – with all those rounds of golf, softball interviews with the "Pimp with the Limp," and fundraising dinners with his corporate cronies. But our nation's security should be of utmost importance to our Commander-in-chief. America can't afford any more "leading from behind" in such a dangerous world. We already know that President Obama likes to "speak softly" to our enemies. If he doesn't have a "big stick" to carry, maybe it's time for him to grow one.- Sarah Palin
Not surprising, but extremely distasteful.
Yeah, how dare her to expect Obama to react negatively towards the attacks on our embassies. After all, not that many Americans have been killed so far.
 
The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.
You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.
Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.
As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.
Tim, are you kidding me? The reality is that this statement makes us look weak; it is not the kind of statement that you release after you have been attacked. I don't think that finding "the silver lining" should be official U.S. Policy.
Well then fortunately for all of us that the statement was released prior to the death of the Libyan ambassador..
:goodposting:
 
How about: "Our embassies are the sovereign territory of the United States, its personnel diplomats; no attacks upon either will tolerated and will be answered in force".
Dio you believe this would help diffuse the situation?
Absolutely in comparison to what was released. It would be very easy to interpret the press release as an understanding for the outrage. Funny it sounds like Hillary is espousing some of my very points.
Obviously we disagree. And Hillary's comments, after the fact, were meant for domestic consumption.
Of course her comments were after the fact :confused: . A statement is a statement; if it is worded correctly it works for everyone involved. The course of action you imply is laughable; to issue diametrically opposed statements is the ultimate sign of weakness. I can take the Administration's stance, that they were unaware of the Cairo's press release, at face value but it does scream of incompetence in the State Department.
 
At some point we do need to discuss Pastor Jones. Of course he didn't kill anyone. Of course he has a right to freedom of speech. But there's no escaping the fact that this idiot, by burning the Qu'run on television and then making an insulting film about Muhammad, is creating real problems for us. He is costing us millions, creating havoc in the Middle East, putting the lives of our people over there at greater risk.

What, if anything, should we do about this guy?

 
At some point we do need to discuss Pastor Jones. Of course he didn't kill anyone. Of course he has a right to freedom of speech. But there's no escaping the fact that this idiot, by burning the Qu'run on television and then making an insulting film about Muhammad, is creating real problems for us. He is costing us millions, creating havoc in the Middle East, putting the lives of our people over there at greater risk. What, if anything, should we do about this guy?
Under the U.S. Constitution? Absolutely nothing.
 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.

 
At some point we do need to discuss Pastor Jones. Of course he didn't kill anyone. Of course he has a right to freedom of speech. But there's no escaping the fact that this idiot, by burning the Qu'run on television and then making an insulting film about Muhammad, is creating real problems for us. He is costing us millions, creating havoc in the Middle East, putting the lives of our people over there at greater risk. What, if anything, should we do about this guy?
I say we let you handle it the way you would handle the killing of americans yesterday in response to a f'in movie. apologize to him.
 
Well I feel better now - Sarah Palin's statementApparently President Obama can't see Egypt and Libya from his house. On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks ever perpetrated on America, our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi were attacked by violent Islamic mobs. In Cairo, they scaled the walls of our embassy, destroyed our flag, and replaced it with a black Islamic banner. In Benghazi, the armed gunmen set fire to our consulate and killed an American staff member. The Islamic radicals claim that these attacks are in protest to some film criticizing Islam. In response to this, the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued a statement that was so outrageous many of us thought it must be a satire. The embassy actually apologized to the violent mob attacking us, and it even went so far as to chastise those who use free speech to "hurt the religious feelings of Muslims." (Funny, the current administration has no problem hurting the "religious feelings" of Catholics.)But where is the president's statement about this? These countries represent his much touted "Arab Spring." How's that Arab Spring working out for us now? Have we received an apology yet from our "friends" in the Muslim Brotherhood for the assault on our embassy? It's about time our president stood up for America and condemned these Islamic extremists. I realize there must be a lot on his mind these days – what with our economy's abysmal jobless numbers and Moody's new warning about yet another downgrade to our nation's credit rating due to the current administration's failure to come up with a credible deficit reduction plan. And, of course, he has a busy schedule – with all those rounds of golf, softball interviews with the "Pimp with the Limp," and fundraising dinners with his corporate cronies. But our nation's security should be of utmost importance to our Commander-in-chief. America can't afford any more "leading from behind" in such a dangerous world. We already know that President Obama likes to "speak softly" to our enemies. If he doesn't have a "big stick" to carry, maybe it's time for him to grow one.- Sarah Palin
Not surprising, but extremely distasteful.
Is that for real? Did she really open that statement with a punchline?
The funny part of all this is that you two have more of a problem with Sarah Palin's, a commentator, remarks than you do with our Government; you should work for the Obama Administration whose real outrage seemed to be centered on Romney's statement. :lmao: :lmao:
 
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But what does it look like? That's what's important here. Not what it is. Looking t-u-f-f tough to people who find it comical that we would think they care is more important than keeping the American body count as low as possible.

 
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So it sounds like they attacked our embassy in an initial attack. The attack stopped, or we repulsed it, unknown at this time, and then the ambassador left in a motorcade. The second attack hit the motorcade with RPGs and resulted in the death of the ambassador then.

 
At some point we do need to discuss Pastor Jones. Of course he didn't kill anyone. Of course he has a right to freedom of speech. But there's no escaping the fact that this idiot, by burning the Qu'run on television and then making an insulting film about Muhammad, is creating real problems for us. He is costing us millions, creating havoc in the Middle East, putting the lives of our people over there at greater risk. What, if anything, should we do about this guy?
Really? Sometimes I think you have your head up your ###.
 
But what does it look like? That's what's important here. Not what it is. Looking t-u-f-f tough to people who find it comical that we would think they care is more important than keeping the American body count as low as possible.
The White House has sent in fast Marine forces to beef up embassy security; how would a strong statement fly in the face of that?
 
Can you homos knock it off with the obama romney slapfights please?

AN American Embassy is burning and an Ambassador's body is being dragged through the streets and you jackasses still are bickering like #####es. Shut the #### up.

 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
 
I am not sure what religion bothers me the most on this. The phony Christian Pastor Jones who created this embarassing video that looks like something morning DJ did when high and thinking this will actually make people question Islam. Or the fanantical that actually took this high school level video seriously with such violence. Is it offensive but it is done in such an awful pathetic way that you should just look at laugh it off as blind stupidity

 
Can you homos knock it off with the obama romney slapfights please? AN American Embassy is burning and an Ambassador's body is being dragged through the streets and you jackasses still are bickering like #####es. Shut the #### up.
Both Obama and Hillary said they were carrying him to the hospital; for their sake I hope they are correct.
 
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Can you homos knock it off with the obama romney slapfights please? AN American Embassy is burning and an Ambassador's body is being dragged through the streets and you jackasses still are bickering like #####es. Shut the #### up.
:goodposting:
 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
 
Barry just confirmed that they carried his body to the hospital... sounds suspect but this isn't downtown Boston we are talking about.

 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
 
Sometimes I miss Joe. He would have cracked down on all the political pissing in a thread about a tragedy like this

You people are repulsive.

 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
No patting them on the back and telling them we understand is a better course of action. How about we tell them to protest all they want but don't touch the embassy or kill our people; or is that insulting. :lmao: @ you guys, constantly apologizing.
 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
No patting them on the back and telling them we understand is a better course of action. How about we tell them to protest all they want but don't touch the embassy or kill our people; or is that insulting. :lmao: @ you guys, constantly apologizing.
My God you are dense.
 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
No patting them on the back and telling them we understand is a better course of action. How about we tell them to protest all they want but don't touch the embassy or kill our people; or is that insulting. :lmao: @ you guys, constantly apologizing.
We understand that for PittstownKILLER to get behind the President we should of just dropped a Bomb on them and killed more people. That would of made the situation better. So in response to a film some nuts killed Americans, in response we should just drop a bomb on them. gotcha!!
 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
No patting them on the back and telling them we understand is a better course of action. How about we tell them to protest all they want but don't touch the embassy or kill our people; or is that insulting. :lmao: @ you guys, constantly apologizing.
I remember when you used to be an interesting guy to debate about the issues around here. Kind of sad to see you turn into this.
 
The administration has made the right call.....try to diffuse the situation now and when enough info is collected about the situation; the leaders of mobs, the actual murderers, the role that Libyan Security Forces played in it, they will retaliate. Any Republicans making political hay about this are dopes.

 
Well I hope this can be worked through without sending in military forces from the U.S.
Why dont you get a flight over there and try to talk to them.
Yea that's not cool dude.
At some point we do need to discuss Pastor Jones. Of course he didn't kill anyone. Of course he has a right to freedom of speech. But there's no escaping the fact that this idiot, by burning the Qu'run on television and then making an insulting film about Muhammad, is creating real problems for us. He is costing us millions, creating havoc in the Middle East, putting the lives of our people over there at greater risk. What, if anything, should we do about this guy?
Under the U.S. Constitution? Absolutely nothing.
:goodposting:
 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
No patting them on the back and telling them we understand is a better course of action. How about we tell them to protest all they want but don't touch the embassy or kill our people; or is that insulting. :lmao: @ you guys, constantly apologizing.
I remember when you used to be an interesting guy to debate about the issues around here. Kind of sad to see you turn into this.
No fair jumping on at the end; a little hippling in effect here. My beef was with Tim and was in reference to the original press statement. I don't see where a statement saying that attacking our embassies will not be tolerated, since it is international law anyway, should seem so radical.
 
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So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
No patting them on the back and telling them we understand is a better course of action. How about we tell them to protest all they want but don't touch the embassy or kill our people; or is that insulting. :lmao: @ you guys, constantly apologizing.
I remember when you used to be an interesting guy to debate about the issues around here. Kind of sad to see you turn into this.
No fair jumping on at the end; a little hippling in effect here. My beef was with Tim and was in reference to the original press statement. I don't see where a statement saying that attacking our embassies will not be tolerated, since it is international law anyway, should seem so radical.
nice attempt at a spin of what you were saying.
 
This is a pretty big deal.
It wasn't the action of a government, or by anyone sponsored by a government, so far as we know. It was apparently the action of some very religious fanatics who take insults to Islam far too seriously. Obviously we've always known these people are out there and prevalent in Islamic countries. Not sure what if anything we can do about it.
But the Libyan government has the obligation to protect the US Embassy. They failed in this and it resulted in the death of the US Ambassador.Its a big deal.
What would you have us do about it? Shall we invade Libya? Replace the government there? Cut off all aid and allow a rabid Islamist regime to take over?
:confused:The current government in Libya is the one that just took over in a revolution that we supported, right?
Yes. That's my point. It seems to me some posters are implying that, by "allowing" this to happen, the Libyans have declared war on us.And Romney has already stated openly that the Obama response is weak. So I'm asking: what should our response be?
A strong condemnation, with no hint of apology. A reaffirmation that in America we value the freedom to speak our minds and that words should never result in murder.
 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
No patting them on the back and telling them we understand is a better course of action. How about we tell them to protest all they want but don't touch the embassy or kill our people; or is that insulting. :lmao: @ you guys, constantly apologizing.
I remember when you used to be an interesting guy to debate about the issues around here. Kind of sad to see you turn into this.
No fair jumping on at the end; a little hippling in effect here. My beef was with Tim and was in reference to the original press statement. I don't see where a statement saying that attacking our embassies will not be tolerated, since it is international law anyway, should seem so radical.
nice attempt at a spin of what you were saying.
Spin how? I have been saying the same thing since my first post. :confused:
 
The only thing that was pathetic was the actual statement that was released:[q]The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others[/q]

Now the White House and the Stare Department is walking this back saying they had nothing to do with this; just curious, who in charge in this administration.
You might not like that statement, and the State Department can deny issuing it or try to walk it back, but it was absolutely necessary. The first priority in these situations is to calm people down. These fanatics are associating this idiotic film with the United States as a whole, and it's imperative, for the sake of saving further American lives in the Middle East, to create a distance between the two.
Tim, I can't believe that you actually typed this but I'll play along; do you think that this statement really calmed anyone down? Try to remember these people were crazed enough that they stormed an armed embassy; do you think they cared about a press release? They do not understand that the government of the U.S. has no association with the film makers; with all that in hand you do not release a statement basically justifying the anger of the people attacking our embassies.
As to your question: we'll never know. Perhaps if the statement hadn't been issued, there would have been 250 people outside the embassy instead of 200. Perhaps, if it hadn't been issued, there will be more people outside of the embassy tomorrow. I know you hate stuff like this- I don't like it much either. But we've got to try everything we can to diffuse the situation. This isn't a movie where we can shove our finger a these people and say, "Screw all of you fanatics. We're not apologizing for anything, and don't you dare #### with us." That would be much more emotionally satisfying. Unfortunately, this is real live, and people's lives are at stake.
We actually can do that.
 
At some point we do need to discuss Pastor Jones. Of course he didn't kill anyone. Of course he has a right to freedom of speech. But there's no escaping the fact that this idiot, by burning the Qu'run on television and then making an insulting film about Muhammad, is creating real problems for us. He is costing us millions, creating havoc in the Middle East, putting the lives of our people over there at greater risk. What, if anything, should we do about this guy?
What should we do about Bill Maher, who made a movie mocking all of Christianity?What should we do about the artist who created the 'Piss-Christ' art project?What should we do about the Chick Fil A president who inflamed and insulted all homosexuals across the country with his hateful rhetoric?
 
So we have Obama sympathizing with the attackers and we have Romney trying to turn this into a political gain. Meanwhile both of them will keep sending money overseas while we go broke at home. I can't believe anyone would vote for either of these idiots.
He's not "sympathizing with the attackers." He's trying to temper the extremists to keep more Americans from getting killed.
Trying to temper the extremists....that's a good one.
Yeah, I guess telling them how tough we are is a better course of action. Certainly better than advising people to stop poking rabid dogs with sticks.
No patting them on the back and telling them we understand is a better course of action. How about we tell them to protest all they want but don't touch the embassy or kill our people; or is that insulting. :lmao: @ you guys, constantly apologizing.
I remember when you used to be an interesting guy to debate about the issues around here. Kind of sad to see you turn into this.
No fair jumping on at the end; a little hippling in effect here. My beef was with Tim and was in reference to the original press statement. I don't see where a statement saying that attacking our embassies will not be tolerated, since it is international law anyway, should seem so radical.
I don't see any patting anyone on the back and telling them we understand either. If you're talking about a statement that came prior to the attacks, I don't see how that's relevant, and it's ridiculous to pretend that it is.Sorry, you don't get a pass on being full of #### just because you're in an iFight.

 
At some point we do need to discuss Pastor Jones. Of course he didn't kill anyone. Of course he has a right to freedom of speech. But there's no escaping the fact that this idiot, by burning the Qu'run on television and then making an insulting film about Muhammad, is creating real problems for us. He is costing us millions, creating havoc in the Middle East, putting the lives of our people over there at greater risk. What, if anything, should we do about this guy?
(1)What should we do about Bill Maher, who made a movie mocking all of Christianity?(2)What should we do about the artist who created the 'Piss-Christ' art project?(3)What should we do about the Chick Fil A president who inflamed and insulted all homosexuals across the country with his hateful rhetoric?
1. Boycott him.2. Denounce him.3. Have a Chik-Fil-A appreciation day.Well, that is about what happened.
 
Can you homos knock it off with the obama romney slapfights please? AN American Embassy is burning and an Ambassador's body is being dragged through the streets and you jackasses still are bickering like #####es. Shut the #### up.
:goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting:
 
Rightfully so...Obama responded by apologizing to the fanatics yesterday. That is what is pathetic.
as a good Christian should! turn the other cheek Obama. its what Jesus would do, and who doesn't love Jesus?
Apparently the DNC.
Oh, everybody loves Jesus. Even Moooslims. Christians are another story sometimes, though.
 

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