U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (2 Viewers)

[pantherclub]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

It's your explanations that are hard to grasp. On one hand, you say that Obama administration wanted to get it's facts straight before they jumped the gun and came to a conclusion but on the other, they ran with obviously bad intel. You want to have it both ways.

 

[pantherclub]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

It's your explanations that are hard to grasp. On one hand, you say that Obama administration wanted to get it's facts straight before they jumped the gun and came to a conclusion but on the other, they ran with obviously bad intel. You want to have it both ways.

Where did I say this?I invite you to read post #1212

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

Let's state the obvious here. Rice isn't going to throw her buddies in the State Department under the bus.

 

[pantherclub]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

Let's state the obvious here. Rice isn't going to throw her buddies in the State Department under the bus.

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

It's your explanations that are hard to grasp. On one hand, you say that Obama administration wanted to get it's facts straight before they jumped the gun and came to a conclusion but on the other, they ran with obviously bad intel. You want to have it both ways.

Where did I say this?I invite you to read post #1212

Sorry, maybe you specifically haven't said that but it seems to be the general defense for people in this thread.

 

[RBM]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day.

Why? And why stick with it for as long as they did?

 

[pantherclub]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

It's your explanations that are hard to grasp. On one hand, you say that Obama administration wanted to get it's facts straight before they jumped the gun and came to a conclusion but on the other, they ran with obviously bad intel. You want to have it both ways.

Where did I say this?I invite you to read post #1212

Sorry, maybe you specifically haven't said that but it seems to be the general defense for people in this thread.

No I am pretty sure most of us are saying Obama had bad info, bad communication and rushed to judgement. Which in itself is pretty bad and telling, but there is no lie or cover up.

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

Let's state the obvious here. Rice isn't going to throw her buddies in the State Department under the bus.

Yeah, really hard to believe, right?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

It's your explanations that are hard to grasp. On one hand, you say that Obama administration wanted to get it's facts straight before they jumped the gun and came to a conclusion but on the other, they ran with obviously bad intel. You want to have it both ways.

The video was on You Tube since June, kind of hard to have a spontaneous reaction to something that was 3 months old: I also like that the compound was being strafed by 25mm anti-aircraft cannons and mortars then the Admistration tries to sell this as a protest. If the analysts did not know definitively that this was a coordinated attack when the safe house was under attack it is because they chose to not look at facts.

 

[pantherclub]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day.

Why? And why stick with it for as long as they did?

Why, because there were protests and riots happening at the same time because of it. They stuck with it I am guessing due to bad intel. Why is it so ####### hard for you to understand there is no great conspiracy here?

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

It's your explanations that are hard to grasp. On one hand, you say that Obama administration wanted to get it's facts straight before they jumped the gun and came to a conclusion but on the other, they ran with obviously bad intel. You want to have it both ways.

Where did I say this?I invite you to read post #1212

Sorry, maybe you specifically haven't said that but it seems to be the general defense for people in this thread.

No I am pretty sure most of us are saying Obama had bad info, bad communication and rushed to judgement. Which in itself is pretty bad and telling, but there is no lie or cover up.

Didn't the Obama campaign bash Mitt for rushing to judgement after Bengahzi?

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day.

Why? And why stick with it for as long as they did?

Why, because there were protests and riots happening at the same time because of it. They stuck with it I am guessing due to bad intel. Why is it so ####### hard for you to understand there is no great conspiracy here?

Because it's not believable.

 

[timschochet]

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.

What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

First off, I'm glad you feel this way. The problem is that so many conservatives disagree with you. They are actively blaming Obama for these deaths, in a manner VERY similar to the way many progressives blamed Bush for 9/11. In both cases it's the duty of rational people to rise above this sort of thing. Glad you're on board. Now to your question: perhaps Pantherclub is correct that it's what they believed. I don't know- it's what I originally thought, but there is conflicting evidence that may contradict that idea. But I also think something else was at play at well: I have noticed in the past that both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have a history of downplaying terrorism at first, and only acknowledging events much after they occur. This may have to do with the notion that admitting the success of terrorism energizes our enemies; I'm not sure. But it's definitely been a pattern.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day.

Why? And why stick with it for as long as they did?

Why, because there were protests and riots happening at the same time because of it. They stuck with it I am guessing due to bad intel. Why is it so ####### hard for you to understand there is no great conspiracy here?

Thanks for clearing this up. You should get in touch with Congress so they can have your guess inserted as testimony.

 

[17seconds]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

It's your explanations that are hard to grasp. On one hand, you say that Obama administration wanted to get it's facts straight before they jumped the gun and came to a conclusion but on the other, they ran with obviously bad intel. You want to have it both ways.

Why can't you grasp that things were under investigation for 2 weeks and during that time they believed the video was a possible cause? Show me where their investigation concluded the event was cause by a demonstration against the video.

 

[timschochet]

Let's state the obvious here. Rice isn't going to throw her buddies in the State Department under the bus.

And that's the whole point. Why are they "her buddies" in the State Department? Because they are the same people who were there when she was in charge! These are civil servants, and they remain in place no matter the Administration. Which is why blaming Obama for all of this is so absurd.

 

[RBM]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day.

Why? And why stick with it for as long as they did?

Why, because there were protests and riots happening at the same time because of it. They stuck with it I am guessing due to bad intel. Why is it so ####### hard for you to understand there is no great conspiracy here?

You need to have your head pretty far up your own ### to not realize this was a pathetic attempt at a coverup. Every time new evidence comes up, you tools go into a stronger spin mode and it sounds more idiotic every time.

 

[pantherclub]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day.

Why? And why stick with it for as long as they did?

Why, because there were protests and riots happening at the same time because of it. They stuck with it I am guessing due to bad intel. Why is it so ####### hard for you to understand there is no great conspiracy here?

You need to have your head pretty far up your own ### to not realize this was a pathetic attempt at a coverup. Every time new evidence comes up, you tools go into a stronger spin mode and it sounds more idiotic every time.

a cover up of what exactly?

 

[Hang 10]

Let's state the obvious here. Rice isn't going to throw her buddies in the State Department under the bus.

And that's the whole point. Why are they "her buddies" in the State Department? Because they are the same people who were there when she was in charge! These are civil servants, and they remain in place no matter the Administration. Which is why blaming Obama for all of this is so absurd.

Those career bureaucrats follow orders and they are under new management. Does the state department just run by itself? Does it even matter who the secretary of state is?

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry, you conspiracy theorists: more evidence from someone who would know that this is a complete non-story:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/25/condi-rice-downplays-benghazi-criticism

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans was not due to any breaches in protocol, pointing instead to the fog created by chaotic situations like the attack on the Benghazi consulate.

Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, told Fox News that it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this, made more complicated by the necessity of diplomats to often step from behind security walls to do their work effectively.

Her comments come days after the release of emails from the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya asking Washington for increased security. Republicans and other political opponents of President Barack Obama have framed these documents as an example of the administration's failure to anticipate and handle the situation. Rice, a Republican, served in the administration of President George W. Bush and was briefly mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

It is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding," she told Fox's Greta Van Susteren. "There are protocols in place, I have no reason to believe they weren't followed, but it is not very easy in circumstances like this to know precisely what's going on as it's unfolding."

Rice also noted the inherent dangers of diplomacy in insecure countries like Libya.

"You can't keep your diplomats in a bunker, you want them out doing their work," she says. "You want to make certain you're making the right safety precautions for them, as well."

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

At the time they probably thought it was due to the video given everything that was happening that day. I dont understand how this is so hard to grasp for you guys.

It's your explanations that are hard to grasp. On one hand, you say that Obama administration wanted to get it's facts straight before they jumped the gun and came to a conclusion but on the other, they ran with obviously bad intel. You want to have it both ways.

Why can't you grasp that things were under investigation for 2 weeks and during that time they believed the video was a possible cause? Show me where their investigation concluded the event was cause by a demonstration against the video.

Show me why it would take over a week to conclude the event had nothing to do with a demonstration against the video? You telling me it took weeks to figure out there was no riot? You telling me it took over a week findout the terrorist were using mortars?

 

[squistion]

You need to have your head pretty far up your own ### to not realize this was a pathetic attempt at a coverup. Every time new evidence comes up, you tools go into a stronger spin mode and it sounds more idiotic every time.

You obviously haven't been keeping up with this. As posted in detail in #1245 here is the link that this is a non-story: http://www.nationalj...-story-20121024

 

[timschochet]

Let's state the obvious here. Rice isn't going to throw her buddies in the State Department under the bus.

And that's the whole point. Why are they "her buddies" in the State Department? Because they are the same people who were there when she was in charge! These are civil servants, and they remain in place no matter the Administration. Which is why blaming Obama for all of this is so absurd.

Those career bureaucrats follow orders and they are under new management. Does the state department just run by itself? Does it even matter who the secretary of state is?

In the case of determining security for embassies? My guess is:1. Yes, the State Department does run by itself.

2. No, it doesn't matter who the Secretary of State is.

 

[Hang 10]

Let's state the obvious here. Rice isn't going to throw her buddies in the State Department under the bus.

And that's the whole point. Why are they "her buddies" in the State Department? Because they are the same people who were there when she was in charge! These are civil servants, and they remain in place no matter the Administration. Which is why blaming Obama for all of this is so absurd.

Those career bureaucrats follow orders and they are under new management. Does the state department just run by itself? Does it even matter who the secretary of state is?

In the case of determining security for embassies? My guess is:1. Yes, the State Department does run by itself.

2. No, it doesn't matter who the Secretary of State is.

Glad we got your best guess on record here.

 

[moleculo]

I'd like to see a link to where anyone in the administration says the Benghazi attack was a direct result of the video. I've looked and haven't been able to find it.

The administration talked about the riots caused by the video, and they talked about the attack. But, I haven't been able to see where they explicitly connected the two.

 

[Hang 10]

I'd like to see a link to where anyone in the administration says the Benghazi attack was a direct result of the video. I've looked and haven't been able to find it.The administration talked about the riots caused by the video, and they talked about the attack. But, I haven't been able to see where they explicitly connected the two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oOxAyU8QwM

 

[Sam Quentin]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/25/father_of_seal_slain_in_libya_obama_and_clinton_apologies_not_sincere_didnt_feel_right.html

Woods says that shaking President Obama’s hands at his son’s memorial service was “like shaking hands with a dead fish.”

"This is what Hillary did," Woods said. "She came over and, you know, did the same thing—separately came over and talked with me. I gave her a hug, shook her hand. And she did not appear to be one bit sincere—at all. And you know, she mentioned that the thing about, we’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video. That was the first time I had even heard about anything like that."

kind of chilling that the plan was to arrest the video maker before they even knew if there would be a cause to.

 

[Hang 10]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/25/father_of_seal_slain_in_libya_obama_and_clinton_apologies_not_sincere_didnt_feel_right.html

Woods says that shaking President Obama’s hands at his son’s memorial service was “like shaking hands with a dead fish.”

"This is what Hillary did," Woods said. "She came over and, you know, did the same thing—separately came over and talked with me. I gave her a hug, shook her hand. And she did not appear to be one bit sincere—at all. And you know, she mentioned that the thing about, we’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video. That was the first time I had even heard about anything like that."

kind of chilling that the plan was to arrest the video maker before they even knew if there would be a cause to.

Unbelievable. So that's supposed to comfort one of the victims parents? Arresting a man that made a video? My goodness.

 

[Politician Spock]

I don't think the administration did anything that led to the deaths.

What I want to know is why the administration had no uncertainty that it was a response to the YouTube video, when as Rice points out "it's difficult to know exactly what is going on in situations like this".

Instead of blaming it on the YouTube video, and using that explanation to make a religous statement, they could have said that they were still investigating it and had not determined exactly what happened. But that's not what they chose to do. Why?

First off, I'm glad you feel this way. The problem is that so many conservatives disagree with you. They are actively blaming Obama for these deaths, in a manner VERY similar to the way many progressives blamed Bush for 9/11. In both cases it's the duty of rational people to rise above this sort of thing. Glad you're on board. Now to your question: perhaps Pantherclub is correct that it's what they believed. I don't know- it's what I originally thought, but there is conflicting evidence that may contradict that idea. But I also think something else was at play at well: I have noticed in the past that both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have a history of downplaying terrorism at first, and only acknowledging events much after they occur. This may have to do with the notion that admitting the success of terrorism energizes our enemies; I'm not sure. But it's definitely been a pattern.

There are a lot of perhaps explanations. I'd like to get rid of all the perhaps explanations and know why they jumped to a conclusion so quickly in a situation that is difficult to come to a quick conclusion on. Your explanation that presidents downplay terrorism is a perhaps as well... but it doesn't hold water with me... because he used the quick conclusion to make a religious statement and a call to action to respect Muhammad. A person who is making a statement and a call to action isn't downplaying anything. They are magnifying it for their own argument.

 

[Class Dismissed]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

 

[moleculo]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

 

[snowmonkey501]

I'd like to see a link to where anyone in the administration says the Benghazi attack was a direct result of the video. I've looked and haven't been able to find it.

The administration talked about the riots caused by the video, and they talked about the attack. But, I haven't been able to see where they explicitly connected the two.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/25/father_of_seal_slain_in_libya_obama_and_clinton_apologies_not_sincere_didnt_feel_right.html

Woods says that shaking President Obama’s hands at his son’s memorial service was “like shaking hands with a dead fish.”

"This is what Hillary did," Woods said. "She came over and, you know, did the same thing—separately came over and talked with me. I gave her a hug, shook her hand. And she did not appear to be one bit sincere—at all. And you know, she mentioned that the thing about, we’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video. That was the first time I had even heard about anything like that."

kind of chilling that the plan was to arrest the video maker before they even knew if there would be a cause to.

 

[timschochet]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

 

[jonessed]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

How can anyone possibly explain something so deliberate? We hung these people out to dry and we knew we were doing it. If I was a family member I would be livid.

 

[moleculo]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

I'm expecting something more along the lines of this: assuming it's a video-caused riot, you don't really want to call in the big guns to put it down. That's pretty much the opposite of what we are telling Syria they cannot do, and we absolutely could not risk the blow-back in the Arab world.

 

[Class Dismissed]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

I thought I read somewhere that you were supposed to be better than this......

 

[jonessed]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

I thought I read somewhere that you were supposed to be better than this......

It's not like you need second-hand tim sources around here. He's pretty much made a career out of FFA posting.

What you see is what you get. This is pretty standard stuff.

 

[pantherclub]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

This sounds totally believable, totally. Not odd about this at all. Nope not one bit.

 

[Jutz]

I'd like to see a link to where anyone in the administration says the Benghazi attack was a direct result of the video. I've looked and haven't been able to find it.

The administration talked about the riots caused by the video, and they talked about the attack. But, I haven't been able to see where they explicitly connected the two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oOxAyU8QwM

This clip is a bit long, but it has a few examples of what you are asking for (I think):
5:15 - Hillary "There is no justification, none at all, for responding to this video with violence"

5:58 - Repeat of the clip Hang 10 posted in which US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice sites the video, and points out that she does so on 5 Sunday talk shows calling the attack spontaneous (this is a short clip, but Hang 10's has the full statement)

6:33 - Obama on Letterman

Letterman: Is this an act of war, are we at war now?

O: No, uhh uhh, well

Letterman: What happenes here?

O: Here's what happened, y y y ya had a video that was released by uhh... somebody who lives here uh sort of a shadowy character wh who uhh is uhh extremely offensive video directed at th Mohamed and Islam

Letterman: making fun of the prophet Mohamed

O: making making fun of the prophet Mohamed... a and... so eh this caused great offense uh in much of the muslim world uh but what also happened was extremists and terrorists uh used this as an excuse uhh to uhh attack uh uh a variety of our embassys including the one uh the consolate in Libya.

To me, Obama on Letterman is the best example in regards to answering your question.

 

[Widbil83]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

This is a lesson why you should never throw your intelligence services under the bus. They will start telling people what you really did.

 

[jamny]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

This sounds totally believable, totally. Not odd about this at all. Nope not one bit.

I hope it is false.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

It was 4 hours between the first request and the last request. There were at least some people in the Situation Room during the attack on the safe house. If our President wasn't in the Situation room during that 4 hour period, or at least brought in the loop at some point during those 4 hours, then we have a MAJOR problem and there are a WHOLE lot of people that need to be fired.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

It was 4 hours between the first request and the last request. There were at least some people in the Situation Room during the attack on the safe house. If our President wasn't in the Situation room during that 4 hour period, or at least brought in the loop at some point during those 4 hours, then we have a MAJOR problem and there are a WHOLE lot of people that need to be fired.

He was resting, he had a big day campaigning in Las Vegas coming up.

 

[timschochet]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

I thought I read somewhere that you were supposed to be better than this......

It's not like you need second-hand tim sources around here. He's pretty much made a career out of FFA posting.

What you see is what you get. This is pretty standard stuff.

Absurdity is the only proper response here.

 

[timschochet]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

It was 4 hours between the first request and the last request. There were at least some people in the Situation Room during the attack on the safe house. If our President wasn't in the Situation room during that 4 hour period, or at least brought in the loop at some point during those 4 hours, then we have a MAJOR problem and there are a WHOLE lot of people that need to be fired.

I respect you as a poster, Grove. You're not a dumb guy. Do you truly believe that the decision for security when to the Situation Room, and that President Obama (or whomever was there at the time) deliberately decided to allow these people to die? Honestly, is that what you think?

 

[jamny]

So for the people that think this is no big deal, are you ok with no response. There has already been claims that one of the suspects has been moved to Tunisia and they are denying the US any access to him. If this is the end of the story and Obama does nothing, is that ok with you? Do you think that maybe he's holding off on doing his job because of the election? I asked 2 or 3 weeks after what was happening, now it's a month and a half later and still no response. Do you really think he's doing his all to find out who was behind this?

 

[Short Corner]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

It was 4 hours between the first request and the last request. There were at least some people in the Situation Room during the attack on the safe house. If our President wasn't in the Situation room during that 4 hour period, or at least brought in the loop at some point during those 4 hours, then we have a MAJOR problem and there are a WHOLE lot of people that need to be fired.

I respect you as a poster, Grove. You're not a dumb guy. Do you truly believe that the decision for security when to the Situation Room, and that President Obama (or whomever was there at the time) deliberately decided to allow these people to die? Honestly, is that what you think?

Sounds like somebody made that decision. I wouldn't put it on BHO though. He can always claim he was busy prepping for his appearance on The View, or Ellen and wasn't available that day.

 

[pantherclub]

So for the people that think this is no big deal, are you ok with no response. There has already been claims that one of the suspects has been moved to Tunisia and they are denying the US any access to him. If this is the end of the story and Obama does nothing, is that ok with you? Do you think that maybe he's holding off on doing his job because of the election? I asked 2 or 3 weeks after what was happening, now it's a month and a half later and still no response. Do you really think he's doing his all to find out who was behind this?

link?

 

[jamny]

So for the people that think this is no big deal, are you ok with no response. There has already been claims that one of the suspects has been moved to Tunisia and they are denying the US any access to him. If this is the end of the story and Obama does nothing, is that ok with you? Do you think that maybe he's holding off on doing his job because of the election? I asked 2 or 3 weeks after what was happening, now it's a month and a half later and still no response. Do you really think he's doing his all to find out who was behind this?

link?

for what?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Another bombshell on this breaking non story

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

By Jennifer Griffin Published October 26, 2012FoxNews.com

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2AQOdPMbN

oof. Looking forward to how this is explained. Fox News and all...can't possibly be accurate.

The only possible answer I can think of is that Obama ordered them to stand down himself, because he hates the United States and wanted the ambassador to die.

It was 4 hours between the first request and the last request. There were at least some people in the Situation Room during the attack on the safe house. If our President wasn't in the Situation room during that 4 hour period, or at least brought in the loop at some point during those 4 hours, then we have a MAJOR problem and there are a WHOLE lot of people that need to be fired.

I respect you as a poster, Grove. You're not a dumb guy. Do you truly believe that the decision for security when to the Situation Room, and that President Obama (or whomever was there at the time) deliberately decided to allow these people to die? Honestly, is that what you think?

Tim, do you think that these questions should not be asked of the Administration; do you trust government implicitly, that it is incapable of scandal? I think there are real questions to be asked of the action, and purported inactions, of officials surrounding this story; saying over and over that there is nothing to see here really doesn't do more but beg more suspicion. I feel the same about F&F and I also felt the same way about Iran-Contra. I do not trust Government and oversight, even heavy handed oversight, is something I welcome. I also believe that the American public can recognize scapegoating, grandstanding, witch-hunts, stonewalling, incompetence, or even good intentions turned bad; it doesn't need to be patted on the head and be told everything is okay.