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U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (2 Viewers)

I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
Can you link the bolded? Because I have not read either of these anywhere. If Obama claims to have given a specific order to protect the embassy prior to the attack, then whether or not it is true, the claim itself would change my entire perception of this affair. The main reason I regarded this as a nonstory (in terms of presidential politics) is because I never believed that protection of the embassy in Libya was an issue that rose to the executive level of decision-making. That has been my point all along. If I am wrong about that, I will be glad to admit it, which is why I am asking you for the link from a credible source.

 
'CrossEyed said:
Obama dodges questions on Libya during an interview with local Denver reporter-

In an interview with a Denver TV reporter Friday, President Obama twice refused to answer questions as to whether the Americans under siege in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012, were denied requests for help, saying he's waiting for the results of investigations before making any conclusions about what went wrong.After being asked about possible denials of requests for aid, and whether it's fair to tell Americans that what happened is under investigation and won't be released until after the election, the president said, "the election has nothing to do with four brave Americans getting killed and us wanting to find out exactly what happened. These are folks who served under me who I had sent to some very dangerous places. Nobody wants to find out more what happened than I do."President Obama told KUSA-TV's Kyle Clarke large that "we want to make sure we get it right, particularly because I have made a commitment to the families impacted as well as to the American people, we're going to bring those folks to justice. So, we're going to gather all the facts, find out exactly what happened, and make sure that it doesn't happen again but we're also going to make sure that we bring to justice those who carried out these attacks."Clark pressed again."Were they denied requests for help during the attack?" he asked."Well, we are finding out exactly what happened," the president again said. "I can tell you, as I've said over the last couple of months since this happened, the minute I found out what was happening, I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. Number two, we're going to investigate exactly what happened so that it doesn't happen again. Number three, find out who did this so we can bring them to justice. And I guarantee you that everyone in the state department, our military, the CIA, you name it, had number one priority making sure that people were safe. These were our folks and we're going to find out exactly what happened, but what we're also going to do it make sure that we are identifying those who carried out these terrible attacks."Earlier today, Fox News' Jennifer Griffin reported that CIA agents in the second U.S. compound in Benghazi were denied requests for help.
//abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/president-obama-begs-off-answering-whether-americans-in-benghazi-were-denied-requests-for-help/
Thats what he should have done from the beginning.
The Obama administration told the world it was a youtube video for almost 2 weeks. Have fun trying to polish that turd.
and he was wrong. What do you want or expect him to do?
I expect him to deal with it, not to get a free pass.
do you think he is getting one now?
I did not think he is getting a free pass, you asked what expect of him and I gave my answer. I believe that his administration is stonewalling on answering some basic questions and it is disconcerting; the press isn't really pushing him on these either.
The second biggest part of this story is how the media has basically provided protection for the administration up to this point. No hard questions, no demand for answers. :thumbdown:
At the very least you'd think they'd want to know why communication from, and within, the CIA is so f'd up. Too many people and organizations are being :whistle: on this.
Remember when the press would make the deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq front page and center every day while Bush was in office? Can't even find the Libya stuff on the back page.
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
When did he deny that?
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
When did he deny that?
It was discussed on several of the Sunday morning news shows.
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
When did he deny that?
It was discussed on several of the Sunday morning news shows.
I guess I will wait for that news to filter out because the google is showing nothing as of now
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
Can you link the bolded? Because I have not read either of these anywhere. If Obama claims to have given a specific order to protect the embassy prior to the attack, then whether or not it is true, the claim itself would change my entire perception of this affair. The main reason I regarded this as a nonstory (in terms of presidential politics) is because I never believed that protection of the embassy in Libya was an issue that rose to the executive level of decision-making. That has been my point all along. If I am wrong about that, I will be glad to admit it, which is why I am asking you for the link from a credible source.
It wasn't before the attack, it was during it. It's right in the article wildbill posted:
"The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives -- Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing everything we need to."
And I misread Panetta. He hasn't said he didn't receive any order, he said the information was incomplete at the time. What is clear is that Obama says he issued a directive to secure the personnel and Panetta never did a thing.
 
Does playing the media card ever get old with the right?
So, in your opinion, why is the media doing its best to ignore rather than get to the bottom of this story?
You think the media is ignoring the story? I cannot tell if you are trolling or serious.
Didn't see any news this weekend, but up until now, yeah, pretty much. Other than Fox and some smaller organizations, nobody has been asking the hard questions. They're letting the administration stonewall without much push back
 
Does playing the media card ever get old with the right?
So, in your opinion, why is the media doing its best to ignore rather than get to the bottom of this story?
You think the media is ignoring the story? I cannot tell if you are trolling or serious.
Didn't see any news this weekend, but up until now, yeah, pretty much. Other than Fox and some smaller organizations, nobody has been asking the hard questions. They're letting the administration stonewall without much push back
Well God bless you man if you think that. Seems like your mind is already made up. The story was on the talk show circuits and in major publications. There has been nothing new for a few days now and Obama said 48 hours ago he was going to let the investigation finish. What more do you really want?
 
Why hasn't a single media person yet directly asked President Obama EXACTLY when he found out what was going on and EXACTLY who he gave orders to?

Explicit answers to those two questions would immediately clear everything up. It would either vindicate Obama's critics or shut them up. That our President has not volunteered this information himself should concern everyone. That the media has not pressured him to answer those questions is disgusting.

 
Does playing the media card ever get old with the right?
So, in your opinion, why is the media doing its best to ignore rather than get to the bottom of this story?
You think the media is ignoring the story? I cannot tell if you are trolling or serious.
Didn't see any news this weekend, but up until now, yeah, pretty much. Other than Fox and some smaller organizations, nobody has been asking the hard questions. They're letting the administration stonewall without much push back
Well God bless you man if you think that. Seems like your mind is already made up. The story was on the talk show circuits and in major publications. There has been nothing new for a few days now and Obama said 48 hours ago he was going to let the investigation finish. What more do you really want?
Really? So you think Brian Williams did a good job of pressing Obama for answers?
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
Can you link the bolded? Because I have not read either of these anywhere. If Obama claims to have given a specific order to protect the embassy prior to the attack, then whether or not it is true, the claim itself would change my entire perception of this affair. The main reason I regarded this as a nonstory (in terms of presidential politics) is because I never believed that protection of the embassy in Libya was an issue that rose to the executive level of decision-making. That has been my point all along. If I am wrong about that, I will be glad to admit it, which is why I am asking you for the link from a credible source.
It wasn't before the attack, it was during it. It's right in the article wildbill posted:
"The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives -- Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing everything we need to."
And I misread Panetta. He hasn't said he didn't receive any order, he said the information was incomplete at the time. What is clear is that Obama says he issued a directive to secure the personnel and Panetta never did a thing.
Then my original point still stands. And you misrepresented yourself (perhaps not intentionally) by implying that Obama claimed to have responded to calls from the embassy for security (which still has never been confirmed.) I also don't believe, from what Panetta is describing, that he is referring to the time period AFTER the attack or as it was going on, but rather the time period before the attack, which is the main subject of all the accusations against the Obama administration.My conclusion is that this is still a non-story.

 
Why hasn't a single media person yet directly asked President Obama EXACTLY when he found out what was going on and EXACTLY who he gave orders to?Explicit answers to those two questions would immediately clear everything up. It would either vindicate Obama's critics or shut them up. That our President has not volunteered this information himself should concern everyone. That the media has not pressured him to answer those questions is disgusting.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/27/obama-benghazi-denver-tv-station-libya/1662141/You mean like this and in the 2 debates?
 
Why hasn't a single media person yet directly asked President Obama EXACTLY when he found out what was going on and EXACTLY who he gave orders to?Explicit answers to those two questions would immediately clear everything up. It would either vindicate Obama's critics or shut them up. That our President has not volunteered this information himself should concern everyone. That the media has not pressured him to answer those questions is disgusting.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/27/obama-benghazi-denver-tv-station-libya/1662141/You mean like this and in the 2 debates?
PC, you're kidding yourself if you think the media has been hard hitting on Obama and his Administration, when they consistently take the answer of "were investigating it" when it has been 6 weeks. The new question that was asked today to complete silence was "were the drones armed".
 
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Why hasn't a single media person yet directly asked President Obama EXACTLY when he found out what was going on and EXACTLY who he gave orders to?Explicit answers to those two questions would immediately clear everything up. It would either vindicate Obama's critics or shut them up. That our President has not volunteered this information himself should concern everyone. That the media has not pressured him to answer those questions is disgusting.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/27/obama-benghazi-denver-tv-station-libya/1662141/You mean like this and in the 2 debates?
Please quote exactly where those two questions were asked and where Obama actually answered them.It's a joke that Obama claims that they're still investigating. Why does he have to investigate to tell us what his role was? What could possibly be so hard about finding out what happened that it has been a month now?
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
Can you link the bolded? Because I have not read either of these anywhere. If Obama claims to have given a specific order to protect the embassy prior to the attack, then whether or not it is true, the claim itself would change my entire perception of this affair. The main reason I regarded this as a nonstory (in terms of presidential politics) is because I never believed that protection of the embassy in Libya was an issue that rose to the executive level of decision-making. That has been my point all along. If I am wrong about that, I will be glad to admit it, which is why I am asking you for the link from a credible source.
It wasn't before the attack, it was during it. It's right in the article wildbill posted:
"The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives -- Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing everything we need to."
And I misread Panetta. He hasn't said he didn't receive any order, he said the information was incomplete at the time. What is clear is that Obama says he issued a directive to secure the personnel and Panetta never did a thing.
Then my original point still stands. And you misrepresented yourself (perhaps not intentionally) by implying that Obama claimed to have responded to calls from the embassy for security (which still has never been confirmed.) I also don't believe, from what Panetta is describing, that he is referring to the time period AFTER the attack or as it was going on, but rather the time period before the attack, which is the main subject of all the accusations against the Obama administration.My conclusion is that this is still a non-story.
Funny how you seem to only think that it's a non-story because the only person that can deliver the damming information in your eyes is the one guy who won't give us any information. So all Obama has to do to keep it from being a story in your eyes is to keep avoiding any hard answers.
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
Can you link the bolded? Because I have not read either of these anywhere. If Obama claims to have given a specific order to protect the embassy prior to the attack, then whether or not it is true, the claim itself would change my entire perception of this affair. The main reason I regarded this as a nonstory (in terms of presidential politics) is because I never believed that protection of the embassy in Libya was an issue that rose to the executive level of decision-making. That has been my point all along. If I am wrong about that, I will be glad to admit it, which is why I am asking you for the link from a credible source.
It wasn't before the attack, it was during it. It's right in the article wildbill posted:
"The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives -- Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing everything we need to."
And I misread Panetta. He hasn't said he didn't receive any order, he said the information was incomplete at the time. What is clear is that Obama says he issued a directive to secure the personnel and Panetta never did a thing.
Then my original point still stands. And you misrepresented yourself (perhaps not intentionally) by implying that Obama claimed to have responded to calls from the embassy for security (which still has never been confirmed.) I also don't believe, from what Panetta is describing, that he is referring to the time period AFTER the attack or as it was going on, but rather the time period before the attack, which is the main subject of all the accusations against the Obama administration.My conclusion is that this is still a non-story.
Why does Obama have to be potentially guilty of something for this to be a story?Even if Obama's hands are clean, there are dirty hands somewhere in this mess. It's either incompetence or a motive. Either way it needs to be brought to light.

 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
When did he deny that?
It was discussed on several of the Sunday morning news shows.
I guess I will wait for that news to filter out because the google is showing nothing as of now
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/republicans-tee-libya_658031.html
 
Top miltary men sacked, a dead ambassador, a convoluted lie to the public and to the UN and the world, the backdrop of a Presidential election, and an administration that refuses to clear up the mud.

this thing has more intrique than ABC's Last Resort.

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So are posters done dancing on the dead's graves yet?
Is our President done sweeping them under the rug?
I'm loving how Drummer is pretending that he cares about the Ambassador.
And here comes Ginger Rogers..
What's your role; Obama's court jester?
Oh, so this is about Obama? Nice sidestep there pitts. You learn fast.
 
So are posters done dancing on the dead's graves yet?
Is our President done sweeping them under the rug?
I'm loving how Drummer is pretending that he cares about the Ambassador.
And here comes Ginger Rogers..
What's your role; Obama's court jester?
Oh, so this is about Obama? Nice sidestep there pitts. You learn fast.
I figured that was who you were trying to protect with your nonsensical posts but maybe your just trolling.
 
So are posters done dancing on the dead's graves yet?
Is our President done sweeping them under the rug?
I'm loving how Drummer is pretending that he cares about the Ambassador.
And here comes Ginger Rogers..
What's your role; Obama's court jester?
Oh, so this is about Obama? Nice sidestep there pitts. You learn fast.
I figured that was who you were trying to protect with your nonsensical posts but maybe your just trolling.
Well as always, you figure wrong.
 
So are posters done dancing on the dead's graves yet?
Is our President done sweeping them under the rug?
I'm loving how Drummer is pretending that he cares about the Ambassador.
And here comes Ginger Rogers..
What's your role; Obama's court jester?
Oh, so this is about Obama? Nice sidestep there pitts. You learn fast.
I figured that was who you were trying to protect with your nonsensical posts but maybe your just trolling.
Well as always, you figure wrong.
Poignant, I hope your entertaining yourself. You should try masterbation, I hear that it is more satisfying.
 
So are posters done dancing on the dead's graves yet?
Is our President done sweeping them under the rug?
I'm loving how Drummer is pretending that he cares about the Ambassador.
And here comes Ginger Rogers..
What's your role; Obama's court jester?
Oh, so this is about Obama? Nice sidestep there pitts. You learn fast.
I figured that was who you were trying to protect with your nonsensical posts but maybe your just trolling.
Well as always, you figure wrong.
Poignant, I hope your entertaining yourself. You should try masterbation, I hear that it is more satisfying.
Way to disrespect the dead here. That was a Baryshnikov like move there.
 
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So are posters done dancing on the dead's graves yet?
Is our President done sweeping them under the rug?
I'm loving how Drummer is pretending that he cares about the Ambassador.
And here comes Ginger Rogers..
What's your role; Obama's court jester?
Oh, so this is about Obama? Nice sidestep there pitts. You learn fast.
I figured that was who you were trying to protect with your nonsensical posts but maybe your just trolling.
Well as always, you figure wrong.
Poignant, I hope your entertaining yourself. You should try masterbation, I hear that it is more satisfying.
Way to disrespect the dead here. That was a Baryshnikov like move there.
You're acting like a doosh.
 
I guess the question I have is if there was not a stand-down order why wasn't there a response?
Obama claims he gave the order to protect the embassy employees. Panetta denies he received that directive. So one of them is lying. If it's Obama, we have an incredibly dangerous lie that should be an immediate disqualifier for Presidency. If it's Panetta, not only should he be fired, but he should be brought up on charges for directly defying a Presidential order. Even then Obama should be shamed for not already doing that if Panetta did indeed defy a direct order.
When did he deny that?
It was discussed on several of the Sunday morning news shows.
I guess I will wait for that news to filter out because the google is showing nothing as of now
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/republicans-tee-libya_658031.html
That link doesnt say Panetta denys he recieved that directive. try again
 

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