U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (1 Viewer)

[BeaverCleaver]

This part...

5. Obama didn't "throw the guy in jail". The maker of the video broke the law and would have gone to jail regardless of Benghazi.

.... is truly terrible.

what about it?

I realize that Basille was under probation, but I think it's just a terrible message - the guy made a movie, that offends people and at the root of it that's why he was arrested, and he got 1 year in jail for it. I realize there is a lot of other stuff in his record, but within 3 weeks he was basically jailed for putting this movie out.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/jailed-innocence-of-muslims-filmmaker-faces-3-years-in-prison.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/innocence-muslims-filmmaker-sentenced.html

Magistrate Judge Suzanne H. Segal ordered Nakoula detained, citing a lengthy pattern of deception by the man, adding that he poses some danger to the community. Nakoula could face up to three years behind bars.

When probation officials questioned him about the video, Nakoula allegedly claimed his role was limited to writing the script, and denied ever using the name Sam Bacile in connection to the film, said Assistant U.S. Atty. Robert Dugdale.

Dugdale said there is evidence Nakoulas role in making Innocence of Muslims was much more expansive than penning the script. Prosecutors said Nakoula could face new criminal charges for lying to federal officials.Dugdale said none of the violations Nakoula is accused of relate to use of the Internet, even though his probation terms specify he was not permitted to possess or use a device with access to the Internet without permission from his supervisor.

If he wasn't convicted of violating his probation terms - ie using the internet - then why did he go to jail? It reads to me like the judge based it on her assertion that he was a "danger to the community."

How crazy is that?

Hillary said they'd arrest him to the father of Tyrone Woods at a memorial service 3 days after the attack. That's classy.http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/02/father-seal-killed-benghazi-attacks-white-house-watched-battle-happenWoods told Hannity he believed he'd been lied to repeatedly. "Hillary Clinton came up to me and I gave her a handshake and a hug, and when I shook her hand she said to me, 'We are going to have the filmmaker arrested.' Even at that time she was trying to place a spin on what happened."

So this guy believes, and you believe, that Hillary knowingly came up and lied to him at a memorial service? That she didn't really think the video was partly to blame? And that she decided to use the memorial service as a vehicle to further spread the lie? JFCIt's like you think Hillary and Obama are evil robots, lacking any human compassion. I have trouble thinking anyone can believe this.

Wow. So you really think 3 days after the attack Hillary still believed that the attack was due to the video?

 

[Johnnymac]

I dont know what happened in benghazi and neither do most of the people in here. I have noticed in the last 25-30 years that when a democrat gets elected to the presidency the republicans seem to focus on doing everything they possibly can to extricate him from office. Clinton was dogged for years cuz he got a bj from an intern. The amount of taxpayer money spent on that farce was ridiculous. Obama has been attacked at every turn. Now I dont belong to either party and people who claim they do show their ignorance imo. Unless you are part of the 1% neither party represents you.

Wait...you didn't notice ANYTHING the left was doing to Bush? Or maybe you purposefully skip over those years because the bolded sentence sounds better when you ignore the hate and venom the left spewed daily about him?

Well sure there is always going to be that kind of stuff. What I'm talking about is at a different level. The #### Clinton went through from the right was just flat out hatred. Read about what Ken Starr did to people during his "investigation" into Clinton. The guy got impeached for christ sake....over a bj???/ Come on, Bush never went through anything close to that. As far as Obama, I'm really surprised nobody has taken a shot at him yet, I mean with a gun. The hatred of the guy is really crazy.

 

[cstu]

This part...

5. Obama didn't "throw the guy in jail". The maker of the video broke the law and would have gone to jail regardless of Benghazi.

.... is truly terrible.

what about it?

I realize that Basille was under probation, but I think it's just a terrible message - the guy made a movie, that offends people and at the root of it that's why he was arrested, and he got 1 year in jail for it. I realize there is a lot of other stuff in his record, but within 3 weeks he was basically jailed for putting this movie out.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/jailed-innocence-of-muslims-filmmaker-faces-3-years-in-prison.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/innocence-muslims-filmmaker-sentenced.html

Magistrate Judge Suzanne H. Segal ordered Nakoula detained, citing a lengthy pattern of deception by the man, adding that he poses some danger to the community. Nakoula could face up to three years behind bars.

When probation officials questioned him about the video, Nakoula allegedly claimed his role was limited to writing the script, and denied ever using the name Sam Bacile in connection to the film, said Assistant U.S. Atty. Robert Dugdale.

Dugdale said there is evidence Nakoulas role in making Innocence of Muslims was much more expansive than penning the script. Prosecutors said Nakoula could face new criminal charges for lying to federal officials.Dugdale said none of the violations Nakoula is accused of relate to use of the Internet, even though his probation terms specify he was not permitted to possess or use a device with access to the Internet without permission from his supervisor.

If he wasn't convicted of violating his probation terms - ie using the internet - then why did he go to jail? It reads to me like the judge based it on her assertion that he was a "danger to the community."

How crazy is that?

Hillary said they'd arrest him to the father of Tyrone Woods at a memorial service 3 days after the attack. That's classy.http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/02/father-seal-killed-benghazi-attacks-white-house-watched-battle-happenWoods told Hannity he believed he'd been lied to repeatedly. "Hillary Clinton came up to me and I gave her a handshake and a hug, and when I shook her hand she said to me, 'We are going to have the filmmaker arrested.' Even at that time she was trying to place a spin on what happened."

So this guy believes, and you believe, that Hillary knowingly came up and lied to him at a memorial service? That she didn't really think the video was partly to blame? And that she decided to use the memorial service as a vehicle to further spread the lie? JFCIt's like you think Hillary and Obama are evil robots, lacking any human compassion. I have trouble thinking anyone can believe this.

Wow. So you really think 3 days after the attack Hillary still believed that the attack was due to the video?

I would say she wasn't 100% sure and she preferred to stick to the original story.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

This part...

5. Obama didn't "throw the guy in jail". The maker of the video broke the law and would have gone to jail regardless of Benghazi.

.... is truly terrible.

what about it?

I realize that Basille was under probation, but I think it's just a terrible message - the guy made a movie, that offends people and at the root of it that's why he was arrested, and he got 1 year in jail for it. I realize there is a lot of other stuff in his record, but within 3 weeks he was basically jailed for putting this movie out.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/jailed-innocence-of-muslims-filmmaker-faces-3-years-in-prison.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/innocence-muslims-filmmaker-sentenced.html

Magistrate Judge Suzanne H. Segal ordered Nakoula detained, citing a lengthy pattern of deception by the man, adding that he poses some danger to the community. Nakoula could face up to three years behind bars.

When probation officials questioned him about the video, Nakoula allegedly claimed his role was limited to writing the script, and denied ever using the name Sam Bacile in connection to the film, said Assistant U.S. Atty. Robert Dugdale.

Dugdale said there is evidence Nakoulas role in making Innocence of Muslims was much more expansive than penning the script. Prosecutors said Nakoula could face new criminal charges for lying to federal officials.Dugdale said none of the violations Nakoula is accused of relate to use of the Internet, even though his probation terms specify he was not permitted to possess or use a device with access to the Internet without permission from his supervisor.

If he wasn't convicted of violating his probation terms - ie using the internet - then why did he go to jail? It reads to me like the judge based it on her assertion that he was a "danger to the community."

How crazy is that?

Hillary said they'd arrest him to the father of Tyrone Woods at a memorial service 3 days after the attack. That's classy.http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/02/father-seal-killed-benghazi-attacks-white-house-watched-battle-happenWoods told Hannity he believed he'd been lied to repeatedly. "Hillary Clinton came up to me and I gave her a handshake and a hug, and when I shook her hand she said to me, 'We are going to have the filmmaker arrested.' Even at that time she was trying to place a spin on what happened."

So this guy believes, and you believe, that Hillary knowingly came up and lied to him at a memorial service? That she didn't really think the video was partly to blame? And that she decided to use the memorial service as a vehicle to further spread the lie? JFCIt's like you think Hillary and Obama are evil robots, lacking any human compassion. I have trouble thinking anyone can believe this.

Wow. So you really think 3 days after the attack Hillary still believed that the attack was due to the video?

I would say she wasn't 100% sure and she preferred to stick to the original story.

she must not be that bright and not be a good leader if she didn't listen to all the intelligence that surfaced that night and in those days that were clear it wasn't due to the video. Those are great qualities on why she should be President.Oh wait....she is just trying to keep up with Obama. He lied for two weeks about the video.

 

[Parrothead]

I dont know what happened in benghazi and neither do most of the people in here. I have noticed in the last 25-30 years that when a democrat gets elected to the presidency the republicans seem to focus on doing everything they possibly can to extricate him from office. Clinton was dogged for years cuz he got a bj from an intern. The amount of taxpayer money spent on that farce was ridiculous. Obama has been attacked at every turn. Now I dont belong to either party and people who claim they do show their ignorance imo. Unless you are part of the 1% neither party represents you.

Wait...you didn't notice ANYTHING the left was doing to Bush? Or maybe you purposefully skip over those years because the bolded sentence sounds better when you ignore the hate and venom the left spewed daily about him?

Well sure there is always going to be that kind of stuff. What I'm talking about is at a different level. The #### Clinton went through from the right was just flat out hatred. Read about what Ken Starr did to people during his "investigation" into Clinton. The guy got impeached for christ sake....over a bj???/ Come on, Bush never went through anything close to that. As far as Obama, I'm really surprised nobody has taken a shot at him yet, I mean with a gun. The hatred of the guy is really crazy.

I thought he was impeached for lying under oath?

 

[timschochet]

This part...

5. Obama didn't "throw the guy in jail". The maker of the video broke the law and would have gone to jail regardless of Benghazi.

.... is truly terrible.

what about it?

I realize that Basille was under probation, but I think it's just a terrible message - the guy made a movie, that offends people and at the root of it that's why he was arrested, and he got 1 year in jail for it. I realize there is a lot of other stuff in his record, but within 3 weeks he was basically jailed for putting this movie out.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/jailed-innocence-of-muslims-filmmaker-faces-3-years-in-prison.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/innocence-muslims-filmmaker-sentenced.html

Magistrate Judge Suzanne H. Segal ordered Nakoula detained, citing a lengthy pattern of deception by the man, adding that he poses some danger to the community. Nakoula could face up to three years behind bars.

When probation officials questioned him about the video, Nakoula allegedly claimed his role was limited to writing the script, and denied ever using the name Sam Bacile in connection to the film, said Assistant U.S. Atty. Robert Dugdale.

Dugdale said there is evidence Nakoulas role in making Innocence of Muslims was much more expansive than penning the script. Prosecutors said Nakoula could face new criminal charges for lying to federal officials.Dugdale said none of the violations Nakoula is accused of relate to use of the Internet, even though his probation terms specify he was not permitted to possess or use a device with access to the Internet without permission from his supervisor.

If he wasn't convicted of violating his probation terms - ie using the internet - then why did he go to jail? It reads to me like the judge based it on her assertion that he was a "danger to the community."

How crazy is that?

Hillary said they'd arrest him to the father of Tyrone Woods at a memorial service 3 days after the attack. That's classy.http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/02/father-seal-killed-benghazi-attacks-white-house-watched-battle-happenWoods told Hannity he believed he'd been lied to repeatedly. "Hillary Clinton came up to me and I gave her a handshake and a hug, and when I shook her hand she said to me, 'We are going to have the filmmaker arrested.' Even at that time she was trying to place a spin on what happened."

So this guy believes, and you believe, that Hillary knowingly came up and lied to him at a memorial service? That she didn't really think the video was partly to blame? And that she decided to use the memorial service as a vehicle to further spread the lie? JFCIt's like you think Hillary and Obama are evil robots, lacking any human compassion. I have trouble thinking anyone can believe this.

Wow. So you really think 3 days after the attack Hillary still believed that the attack was due to the video?

Yes. The alternative is that she deliberately lied to some guy at a memorial service. I suppose that's possible, but you would have to prove it beyond doubt before I would accept it.

 

[tommyboy]

Of course she lied. Duh

 

[BeaverCleaver]

This part...

5. Obama didn't "throw the guy in jail". The maker of the video broke the law and would have gone to jail regardless of Benghazi.

.... is truly terrible.

what about it?

I realize that Basille was under probation, but I think it's just a terrible message - the guy made a movie, that offends people and at the root of it that's why he was arrested, and he got 1 year in jail for it. I realize there is a lot of other stuff in his record, but within 3 weeks he was basically jailed for putting this movie out.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/jailed-innocence-of-muslims-filmmaker-faces-3-years-in-prison.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/innocence-muslims-filmmaker-sentenced.html

Magistrate Judge Suzanne H. Segal ordered Nakoula detained, citing a lengthy pattern of deception by the man, adding that he poses some danger to the community. Nakoula could face up to three years behind bars.

When probation officials questioned him about the video, Nakoula allegedly claimed his role was limited to writing the script, and denied ever using the name Sam Bacile in connection to the film, said Assistant U.S. Atty. Robert Dugdale.

Dugdale said there is evidence Nakoulas role in making Innocence of Muslims was much more expansive than penning the script. Prosecutors said Nakoula could face new criminal charges for lying to federal officials.Dugdale said none of the violations Nakoula is accused of relate to use of the Internet, even though his probation terms specify he was not permitted to possess or use a device with access to the Internet without permission from his supervisor.

If he wasn't convicted of violating his probation terms - ie using the internet - then why did he go to jail? It reads to me like the judge based it on her assertion that he was a "danger to the community."

How crazy is that?

Hillary said they'd arrest him to the father of Tyrone Woods at a memorial service 3 days after the attack. That's classy.http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/02/father-seal-killed-benghazi-attacks-white-house-watched-battle-happenWoods told Hannity he believed he'd been lied to repeatedly. "Hillary Clinton came up to me and I gave her a handshake and a hug, and when I shook her hand she said to me, 'We are going to have the filmmaker arrested.' Even at that time she was trying to place a spin on what happened."

So this guy believes, and you believe, that Hillary knowingly came up and lied to him at a memorial service? That she didn't really think the video was partly to blame? And that she decided to use the memorial service as a vehicle to further spread the lie? JFCIt's like you think Hillary and Obama are evil robots, lacking any human compassion. I have trouble thinking anyone can believe this.

Wow. So you really think 3 days after the attack Hillary still believed that the attack was due to the video?

Yes. The alternative is that she deliberately lied to some guy at a memorial service. I suppose that's possible, but you would have to prove it beyond doubt before I would accept it.

Wow.....you are such a left wing hack.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The ACA starting getting some good #s and they are back back on Benghazi.

Don't act like it isn't true.

 

[FlapJacks]

I dont know what happened in benghazi and neither do most of the people in here. I have noticed in the last 25-30 years that when a democrat gets elected to the presidency the republicans seem to focus on doing everything they possibly can to extricate him from office. Clinton was dogged for years cuz he got a bj from an intern. The amount of taxpayer money spent on that farce was ridiculous. Obama has been attacked at every turn. Now I dont belong to either party and people who claim they do show their ignorance imo. Unless you are part of the 1% neither party represents you.

Wait...you didn't notice ANYTHING the left was doing to Bush? Or maybe you purposefully skip over those years because the bolded sentence sounds better when you ignore the hate and venom the left spewed daily about him?

Well sure there is always going to be that kind of stuff. What I'm talking about is at a different level. The #### Clinton went through from the right was just flat out hatred. Read about what Ken Starr did to people during his "investigation" into Clinton. The guy got impeached for christ sake....over a bj???/ Come on, Bush never went through anything close to that. As far as Obama, I'm really surprised nobody has taken a shot at him yet, I mean with a gun. The hatred of the guy is really crazy.

I thought he was impeached for lying under oath?

and evidence tampering and suborning perjury...

 

[BeaverCleaver]

The ACA starting getting some good #s and they are back back on Benghazi.

Don't act like it isn't true.

Really....too bad those emails didn't come out.

 

[timschochet]

So now I'm a left wing hack because I have trouble believing that Hillary Clinton is so cold a politician that she would deliberately lie at a memorial service talking to a family member in order to pursue a cover up?

You guys have a really skewed view of things. I mean really. I know that some of you are the same ones that think she killed Vince Foster, right?

 

[timschochet]

And by the way, if you had told me that George W. Bush, or Rand Paul, or Ted Cruz, or Sarah Palin, or whatever major American politician you want to name had lied to a victim's family member at a memorial service, I would have told you the same thing: it's crazy. There's such a thing as common decency. You'd better have proof, not supposition, not trying to add 2 + 2 together to make 5, but PROOF. If not, it's a pretty disgusting accusation.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

So now I'm a left wing hack because I have trouble believing that Hillary Clinton is so cold a politician that she would deliberately lie at a memorial service talking to a family member in order to pursue a cover up?

You guys have a really skewed view of things. I mean really. I know that some of you are the same ones that think she killed Vince Foster, right?

No...you have a skewed view of things. If you really think that 3 days after that attack she truly believed the video caused the attack then you are pushing wack job materiel. Wait.....is this where you like to claim you have an open mind? Good God...you're pathetic.

And you don't know crap.....no one here she said anything about Vince Foster. Enough already!

 

[BeaverCleaver]

And by the way, if you had told me that George W. Bush, or Rand Paul, or Ted Cruz, or Sarah Palin, or whatever major American politician you want to name had lied to a victim's family member at a memorial service, I would have told you the same thing: it's crazy. There's such a thing as common decency. You'd better have proof, not supposition, not trying to add 2 + 2 together to make 5, but PROOF. If not, it's a pretty disgusting accusation.

So again....you are calling the father of a man that died in that attack a liar. That's a pretty disgusting accusation.

 

[greenroom]

Are we still trying to pin this on President Obama? is this the new Birther thread? How many investigations do we need to say the same thing?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Are we still trying to pin this on President Obama? is this the new Birther thread? How many investigations do we need to say the same thing?

 

[timschochet]

Are we still trying to pin this on President Obama? is this the new Birther thread? How many investigations do we need to say the same thing?

There's been 9 so far. Apparently at least 2 more.

 

[pizzatyme]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

 

[timschochet]

And by the way, if you had told me that George W. Bush, or Rand Paul, or Ted Cruz, or Sarah Palin, or whatever major American politician you want to name had lied to a victim's family member at a memorial service, I would have told you the same thing: it's crazy. There's such a thing as common decency. You'd better have proof, not supposition, not trying to add 2 + 2 together to make 5, but PROOF. If not, it's a pretty disgusting accusation.

So again....you are calling the father of a man that died in that attack a liar. That's a pretty disgusting accusation.

No. He didn't lie about what Hillary said. He thinks she was untruthful, I feel sorry for him. But I can forgive him. Guy lost a loved one, he wants to see justice done, it's easy for him to look for someone to blame in the government. The real scumbag here is Sean Hannity for using this guy's grief to strengthen the conservative vendetta against Hillary Clinton. And the truly pathetic people are those like yourself who lap this crap up.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

You actually had that being reported at many of the news outlets around the world.

*Not that actual answers is the driving thought behind this exercise.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I loved 2012.

 

[timschochet]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in part responsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in part responsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

You are truly delusional!!!!

 

[BeaverCleaver]

And by the way, if you had told me that George W. Bush, or Rand Paul, or Ted Cruz, or Sarah Palin, or whatever major American politician you want to name had lied to a victim's family member at a memorial service, I would have told you the same thing: it's crazy. There's such a thing as common decency. You'd better have proof, not supposition, not trying to add 2 + 2 together to make 5, but PROOF. If not, it's a pretty disgusting accusation.

So again....you are calling the father of a man that died in that attack a liar. That's a pretty disgusting accusation.

No. He didn't lie about what Hillary said. He thinks she was untruthful, I feel sorry for him. But I can forgive him. Guy lost a loved one, he wants to see justice done, it's easy for him to look for someone to blame in the government. The real scumbag here is Sean Hannity for using this guy's grief to strengthen the conservative vendetta against Hillary Clinton. And the truly pathetic people are those like yourself who lap this crap up.

What? This has been reported all over the place. The only person lapping anything up is you face down in Hillary's.

 

[Slapdash]

Are we still trying to pin this on President Obama? is this the new Birther thread? How many investigations do we need to say the same thing?

Kinda ridiculous

 

[timschochet]

And by the way, if you had told me that George W. Bush, or Rand Paul, or Ted Cruz, or Sarah Palin, or whatever major American politician you want to name had lied to a victim's family member at a memorial service, I would have told you the same thing: it's crazy. There's such a thing as common decency. You'd better have proof, not supposition, not trying to add 2 + 2 together to make 5, but PROOF. If not, it's a pretty disgusting accusation.

So again....you are calling the father of a man that died in that attack a liar. That's a pretty disgusting accusation.

No. He didn't lie about what Hillary said. He thinks she was untruthful, I feel sorry for him. But I can forgive him. Guy lost a loved one, he wants to see justice done, it's easy for him to look for someone to blame in the government. The real scumbag here is Sean Hannity for using this guy's grief to strengthen the conservative vendetta against Hillary Clinton. And the truly pathetic people are those like yourself who lap this crap up.

What? This has been reported all over the place. The only person lapping anything up is you face down in Hillary's.

You mean he has appeared on several Fox shows instead of just Hannity? Doesn't surprise me.

 

[timschochet]

Are we still trying to pin this on President Obama? is this the new Birther thread? How many investigations do we need to say the same thing?

There are some similarities, but unfortunately the GOP leadership seems devoted to this issue, while they ran as fast as they could from that one.

 

[pizzatyme]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in part responsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that! She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

 

[timschochet]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

I'm the last person to defend things on a party line. I don't even like Hillary Clinton especially (though I'll end up voting for her if the GOP puts up Paul or Cruz.) I just don't believe that she would deliberately lie in this situation.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

I'm the last person to defend things on a party line. I don't even like Hillary Clinton especially (though I'll end up voting for her if the GOP puts up Paul or Cruz.) I just don't believe that she would deliberately lie in this situation.

What is the advantage to her to have done what the GOPers are putting forth?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

I'm the last person to defend things on a party line. I don't even like Hillary Clinton especially (though I'll end up voting for her if the GOP puts up Paul or Cruz.) I just don't believe that she would deliberately lie in this situation.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in part responsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

 

[Sand]

Are we still trying to pin this on President Obama? is this the new Birther thread? How many investigations do we need to say the same thing?

There are some similarities, but unfortunately the GOP leadership seems devoted to this issue, while they ran as fast as they could from that one.

Because there is a lot of malfeasance in the current issue. The birther stuff was complete nonsense. Both of these are pretty easy calls.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in part responsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that! She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

LOL at "horrible judgement". Horrible judgement is spending TRILLIONS of dollars to invade a country over false beliefs resulting I hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

But you keep on being outraged about Hillary Clinton consoling a father after the tragic death of his son. Sean Hannity would be proud.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

How does this look to the rest of the world? Our ambassador was @$$-raped, killed, and drug through the streets, and our government is not only telling our people it was because of a video, they put a video maker in jail for it (I know they put him in jail for something else, but we all know why they went after him in the first place)

 

[timschochet]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

I'm the last person to defend things on a party line. I don't even like Hillary Clinton especially (though I'll end up voting for her if the GOP puts up Paul or Cruz.) I just don't believe that she would deliberately lie in this situation.

What is the advantage to her to have done what the GOPers are putting forth?

Honestly, I don't even think that way. I don't believe that, facing grieving parents, Hillary Clinton is looking to say things for her own advantage one way or the other. It's a despicable accusation.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The ACA starting getting some good #s and they are back back on Benghazi.

Don't act like it isn't true.

No you're right, it's true.

Obama & Co. also handed the GOP the cudgel snatching beatings from the jaws of victory.

Screwed up, right?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

LOL at "horrible judgement". Horrible judgement is spending TRILLIONS of dollars to invade a country over false beliefs resulting I hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

But you keep on being outraged about Hillary Clinton consoling a father after the tragic death of his son. Sean Hannity would be proud.

We can't be outraged about both? No that won't work because you are swinging from Hilary's ball sack.. We dare not criticize her..

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

How does this look to the rest of the world? Our ambassador was ###-raped, killed, and drug through the streets, and our government is not only telling our people it was because of a video, they put a video maker in jail for it (I know they put him in jail for something else, but we all know why they went after him in the first place)

And oh yes the USA hasn't done shtdiddly to the actual perpetrators.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

I'm the last person to defend things on a party line. I don't even like Hillary Clinton especially (though I'll end up voting for her if the GOP puts up Paul or Cruz.) I just don't believe that she would deliberately lie in this situation.

It's getting a lil' schticky in here.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

I'm the last person to defend things on a party line. I don't even like Hillary Clinton especially (though I'll end up voting for her if the GOP puts up Paul or Cruz.) I just don't believe that she would deliberately lie in this situation.

What is the advantage to her to have done what the GOPers are putting forth?

Honestly, I don't even think that way. I don't believe that, facing grieving parents, Hillary Clinton is looking to say things for her own advantage one way or the other. It's a despicable accusation.

Politicians don't care about grieving parents.. If they did, they wouldn't send thousands of young men and women off to kill and die on a regular basis..

 

[timschochet]

How does this look to the rest of the world? Our ambassador was ###-raped, killed, and drug through the streets, and our government is not only telling our people it was because of a video, they put a video maker in jail for it (I know they put him in jail for something else, but we all know why they went after him in the first place)

Where are you getting that he was raped and dragged through the streets? That's not something I've read anywhere.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

LOL at "horrible judgement". Horrible judgement is spending TRILLIONS of dollars to invade a country over false beliefs resulting I hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

But you keep on being outraged about Hillary Clinton consoling a father after the tragic death of his son. Sean Hannity would be proud.

We can't be outraged about both? No that won't work because you are swinging from Hilary's ball sack.. We dare not criticize her..

Where is your outrage over Iraq? You, Hannity, and Rush calling for additional investigations over the decision to go to Iraq?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

I'm the last person to defend things on a party line. I don't even like Hillary Clinton especially (though I'll end up voting for her if the GOP puts up Paul or Cruz.) I just don't believe that she would deliberately lie in this situation.

And the opposite?

She actually thought the USA should punish Basile? Isn't that actually worse?

Is there a liberal, progressive or Obama supporter who actually believes that was a good idea even if the 'protest as cause' thing were true?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

LOL at "horrible judgement". Horrible judgement is spending TRILLIONS of dollars to invade a country over false beliefs resulting I hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

But you keep on being outraged about Hillary Clinton consoling a father after the tragic death of his son. Sean Hannity would be proud.

We can't be outraged about both? No that won't work because you are swinging from Hilary's ball sack.. We dare not criticize her..

Where is your outrage over Iraq? You, Hannity, and Rush calling for additional investigations over the decision to go to Iraq?

Do I have to show my outrage over Iraq? Isn't it well established in here that I don't like war?

 

[tommyboy]

The ACA starting getting some good #s and they are back back on Benghazi.

Don't act like it isn't true.

You obviously missed the most recent obamacare poll #'s that show its unpopularity at a high. Google works

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

I'm the last person to defend things on a party line.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

LOL at "horrible judgement". Horrible judgement is spending TRILLIONS of dollars to invade a country over false beliefs resulting I hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

But you keep on being outraged about Hillary Clinton consoling a father after the tragic death of his son. Sean Hannity would be proud.

We can't be outraged about both? No that won't work because you are swinging from Hilary's ball sack.. We dare not criticize her..

Where is your outrage over Iraq? You, Hannity, and Rush calling for additional investigations over the decision to go to Iraq?

Hillary voted for it so no worries.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Why in the #### did she have to reference the

movie maker at a funeral in the first place? (If you believe the father of the deceased)

Because she wanted him to feel better. Because she believed that the movie maker was in partresponsible for this attack along with all the hatred against the USA all over the world that month. It was probably ill-advised of Hillary to say it, but her heart was in the right place IMO.

Tim, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, but it wasn't "probably ill-advised" it was horrible judgement to say that. Police wouldn't say that during an investigation, attorneys wouldn't say it, and the damn Secretary of State should know better than to say that!She is guilty of being emotional here and with her "what difference does it make" comment.

That doesn't make her a bad person or a liar but it does worry me about her ability to make the correct decision in an emotional and stressful situation.

Please try to not get caught up in defending everything on a straight party line.

I believe mistakes were made and had they owned up to them then, this would never have been an issue. To err is human. To spin it is politics. (Yes, both cons and libs!)

LOL at "horrible judgement". Horrible judgement is spending TRILLIONS of dollars to invade a country over false beliefs resulting I hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

But you keep on being outraged about Hillary Clinton consoling a father after the tragic death of his son. Sean Hannity would be proud.

We can't be outraged about both? No that won't work because you are swinging from Hilary's ball sack.. We dare not criticize her..

Where is your outrage over Iraq? You, Hannity, and Rush calling for additional investigations over the decision to go to Iraq?

Hillary voted for it so no worries.