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Uconn Mac-and-Cheese kid and taking "no" for an answer (1 Viewer)

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So this is my thread for the day.

I read this article about the UConn idiot, and it really resonated with me: http://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-insight-wonneberger-uconn-mac-cheese-student-drinking-1011-20151007-story.html

From the article:

Imagine this outburst wasn't just about mac and cheese.

Imagine all of the circumstances in this scenario, but instead, someone is demanding a phone number, sex or repeated non-consensual contact. (For the record, I experienced these demands during my time at UConn). Imagine an unrelenting, entitled and privileged perpetrator. Imagine if, even when if others are present, no one intervenes.

Sometimes, there is violence. Always, there are inactive bystanders.

Now imagine that people find this funny.

UConn isn't the only university that needs work on making sure its students don't behave this way. The need to act with civility applies to classrooms, sidewalks, and — yes — student unions. It applies to violence, sexual violence and the reciprocal respect shown among students, staff and faculty. It applies everywhere on every campus and it needs to be addressed.

This guy's behavior is not hilarious. It's horrifying.
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I posted to my FB a response to the article, that I might as well put here:

There is a lot of talk about "rape culture" on college campuses, and I hear people--mostly men--scoff at the notion. I suspect it is because they can't really fathom a situation where their objections were completely ignored by a person who refuses to take no for an answer. Here, in one 9 minute video, is perfect representation what many women have had to deal with in their day-to-day life. My daughter is 12 year old. In six short years she will be heading out to college, and she will have to know how to navigate a world sprinkled with people who insist on getting what they want regardless of who stands in the way. And it scares and angers me.

So anyway, this is my thread. I think this UConn jackass is a good way for men to see what women have to go through. Because men -- particularly big guys -- never get put on the spot like this by another man. But women do. And this video is a good example of a rare occasion where a man has to deal with it (he has the patience of Job, by the way).

 
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Gotta be a subscriber, man.

But this vid is all over the place. And it seems this genius was arrested twice before this incident for alcohol/jerkoff related shinanigans.

 
The article in full:

Did you see the YouTube video titled "Drunk Kid Wants Mac and Cheese"? It went viral on Tuesday. It's been watched all over the world. Did you laugh at the UConn student demanding his favorite jalapeno-flavored drunk food?

Did you think the belligerent, slurring and entitled kid was funny? If you did, let me tell you why you're wrong.

The video stars an enraged underage student who was refused service by UConn's student Union for allegedly carrying an open container of alcohol around the food court. In the nine-minute video, the 19-year-old white male calls the manager of the food court a string of expletives. He makes insulting attacks on the manager's employment position. He makes other repeated personal insults. (Might I add, all while the manager exhibits incredible self-control, poise and professionalism).

Finally, the student escalates to multiple short spurts of physical violence until he is finally subdued by the manager and another employee and arrested.

Sure, the abstract idea of a public tantrum over macaroni and cheese is hilarious. Think of John Belushi in the "Animal House" food fight scene. And in all fairness, as a UConn graduate, I can attest to the fact that the mac and cheese is delicious.

But this video is terrifying, not amusing. The issues at play here are the ones that lead in every kind of wrong direction.

Let's start with this: Dozens of people are standing around laughing while another human being is being verbally and physically assaulted. A room full of able-bodied young adults are audience members; none of them steps up to help. They're elbowing each other, taking pictures and smirking. I'm sure the incident didn't make that great of a Snapchat.

Second, a 19-year-old felt entitled to be venomous in public, simply because he was on a college campus. Even more disturbing is the fact that a young person felt entitled to be violent, simply because he didn't get what he wanted. The student's first argument to the manager is "Isn't this America?" and he repeatedly offers to pay. Yes, this is America, where rich, educated, white men of any age can often get what they want, regardless of their behavior, if they have enough money.

If he was this upset about being refused macaroni because of this conduct, I can't imagine how he will react when it costs him a job thanks to the Internet.

Finally, a young person felt superior to an authority figure, presumably because that authority figure works in food service. Rather than exhibiting University of Connecticut President Susan Herbst's "civility," students treat the staff who serve them, in sickness and sobriety, with astounding disrespect. The manager, who in the video makes every effort to not involve the police and to end the incident quietly, afforded the student much more leniency than would ever be found outside the shelter of Storrs. In return, he receives shoves to the stomach.

I must mention that I love my alma mater. UConn is a fabulous school that afforded me a world of opportunities. However, this type of belligerent entitlement is something I, and most (if not all) of my friends, dealt with regularly while being there.

Some people may think this is funny because it's a drunken kid demanding snack food.

Imagine this outburst wasn't just about mac and cheese.

Imagine all of the circumstances in this scenario, but instead, someone is demanding a phone number, sex or repeated non-consensual contact. (For the record, I experienced these demands during my time at UConn). Imagine an unrelenting, entitled and privileged perpetrator. Imagine if, even when if others are present, no one intervenes.

Sometimes, there is violence. Always, there are inactive bystanders.

Now imagine that people find this funny.

UConn isn't the only university that needs work on making sure its students don't behave this way. The need to act with civility applies to classrooms, sidewalks, and — yes — student unions. It applies to violence, sexual violence and the reciprocal respect shown among students, staff and faculty. It applies everywhere on every campus and it needs to be addressed.

This guy's behavior is not hilarious. It's horrifying.

Holly Wonneberger of Cheshire is second-year law student at Georgetown University. She graduated magna cum laude from UConn in 2014.
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don't we value people who "don't take no for an answer" in the business world? Isn't that kind of trait valued in sales, for example?

Obviously, this kid is a jerk and should be kicked out of school for assaulting a school employee. Personally, I would have called campus security when he was brazen to walk around with an open container, for making a scene, and most definitely the instant he laid hands on the manager. If anything, this situation should not have been allowed to escalate like this.

Manager should have recognized much earlier what he was dealing with: there would be no reasoning with this kid, and the whole situation only had one possible ending - the kid going to jail.

 
Why did no one intervene? Probably because no one wants to get a lawsuit slapped on them by manhandling another student, or potentially get in a fight themselves over mac and cheese.

You let the manager handle it, and he did.

 
Let's start with this: Dozens of people are standing around laughing while another human being is being verbally and physically assaulted. A room full of able-bodied young adults are audience members; none of them steps up to help. They're elbowing each other, taking pictures and smirking. I'm sure the incident didn't make that great of a Snapchat.
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Meh...I'm not going to judge those people for not getting involved. You're putting yourself at risk of injury or lawsuit or both. That's not to say that I wouldn't have stepped in...I might have. But I don't blame people for keeping their distance.

 
Foosball God said:
Why did no one intervene? Probably because no one wants to get a lawsuit slapped on them by manhandling another student, or potentially get in a fight themselves over mac and cheese.

You let the manager handle it, and he did.
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Two kids tried to no avail.

 
Kids these days. They don't realize how good they have it.

In my Ramen noodle college days, I couldn't imagine a world with Bacon Jalapeno Mac and Cheese.

 
Kid has obviously never had his entitled ### kicked but I'm sure he's got plenty of participation trophys on the mantle in his bedroom. No worries daddy's law firm will handle the case and will slap assault charges on the employees that restrained his precious child and denied him a meal.

 
Dumb, drunk entitled little doooshnozzle...welcome to Connecticut.

To link this to "rape culture" is quite a stretch though.

 
we've had a generation grow up on reality tv where that kind of behavior is celebrated with fame and money. the kid is probably stoked that the video went viral, regardless of the legal ramifications.

 
I didnt see the video, but reading the text, it seems Holly Wonneberger has an issue with white men. His race had nothing to do with it, yet is mentioned twice.

She also invites us to imagine a lot of things that didnt come close to happening.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
I didnt see the video, but reading the text, it seems Holly Wonneberger has an issue with white men. His race had nothing to do with it, yet is mentioned twice.

She also invites us to imagine a lot of things that didnt come close to happening.
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It's an interesting video. You should watch if you can.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
I didnt see the video, but reading the text, it seems Holly Wonneberger has an issue with white men. His race had nothing to do with it, yet is mentioned twice.

She also invites us to imagine a lot of things that didnt come close to happening.
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This guy was an underage drinker whose drinking helped turn him into an ###### over mac and cheese. Holly is of the mind that there are plenty of other displays of ######ed entitled-ness ocurring on campuses all over, and it shouldn't be okay.

Watch the video.

 
El Floppo said:
we've had a generation grow up on reality tv where that kind of behavior is celebrated with fame and money. the kid is probably stoked that the video went viral, regardless of the legal ramifications.
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You could see how he upped the aggression once he realized someone was recording it.

 
JaxBill said:
Why wasn't he charged with assault?

He shoved a manager and was taken to the ground by food court employees, before being arrested and charged with second-degree breach of peace and first-degree criminal trespass, according to the Hartford Courant.
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And spat in the manager's face on the way out the door, while in handcuffs, right in front of the arresting police officer.

Hope they tuned this kid up behind closed doors once at intake.

 
mquinnjr said:
JaxBill said:
Why wasn't he charged with assault?

He shoved a manager and was taken to the ground by food court employees, before being arrested and charged with second-degree breach of peace and first-degree criminal trespass, according to the Hartford Courant.
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And spat in the manager's face on the way out the door, while in handcuffs, right in front of the arresting police officer.

Hope they tuned this kid up behind closed doors once at intake.
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:goodposting:

I strongly oppose police brutality of any kind, but I would only be able to marvel at the workings of universal karma if this kid accidentally slipped and fell in his holding cell multiple times.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
I didnt see the video, but reading the text, it seems Holly Wonneberger has an issue with white men. His race had nothing to do with it, yet is mentioned twice.
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I've seen that in a few other commentaries on this incident, as well. Totally out of bounds. Two wrongs don't make a right (IOW, the "That happens to people of other races all the time!" is not a legitimate counter).

 
moleculo said:
don't we value people who "don't take no for an answer" in the business world? Isn't that kind of trait valued in sales, for example?

Obviously, this kid is a jerk and should be kicked out of school for assaulting a school employee. Personally, I would have called campus security when he was brazen to walk around with an open container, for making a scene, and most definitely the instant he laid hands on the manager. If anything, this situation should not have been allowed to escalate like this.

Manager should have recognized much earlier what he was dealing with: there would be no reasoning with this kid, and the whole situation only had one possible ending - the kid going to jail.
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Kid could be President someday like Trump. This is America!

 
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