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Chaos Commish, do you work in the football industry???  You sure know a lot about rookies!!!

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Just consider me a sick sick puppy. I watch way more college football than NFL football. I was a diehard draftnik before I ever heard of fantasy football some 20 years ago. I'm a single dad with virtually nothing to do from about 9pm to 1am every night. So, I record every televised college game during the season and use them for background music as I stare at this computer screen all week. Sick? Yeah, probably. And yes, I do get an occassional very small check in the mail for the addiction (writing articles here and there).

 
Reports that Kai Parham was picked up by Dallas were apparently false. Kai is still available as far as I can tell. He's a declared underclassmen who should have stayed in school, but at least he has his degree early too. This is a case of measureables killing a guy-- probably unfairly.

 
Rams UDFA signings

OC Donovan Raiola, Wisconsin

OC Mike Degory, Florida

PK Josh Cummings, Pittsburgh

RB J.D. Washington, Morehouse

TE Jonathan Williams, New Hampshire

DE Kory Lothe, Eastern Illinois

DL Tim Sandidge, Virginia Tech

WR Clinton Solomon, Iowa

RB Antoine Bagwell, California (Pa.)

TE Ed Nelson, UConn
Isn't he Dominic Raiola's brother (lineman for the Lions)
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signed Denzell's son too
 
Can't recall if he's already been mentioned, but Dwayne Slay is a Chicago Bear. He's a very raw 6-3 strong safety who gets my vote for the hardest hitter in the draft. I bet he makes the team, for special teams primarily, but watch out if he ever earns a starting job.

 
Rams UDFA signings

OC Donovan Raiola, Wisconsin

OC Mike Degory, Florida

PK Josh Cummings, Pittsburgh

RB J.D. Washington, Morehouse

TE Jonathan Williams, New Hampshire

DE Kory Lothe, Eastern Illinois

DL Tim Sandidge, Virginia Tech

WR Clinton Solomon, Iowa

RB Antoine Bagwell, California (Pa.)

TE Ed Nelson, UConn
Isn't he Dominic Raiola's brother (lineman for the Lions)
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signed Denzell's son too
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King Kong ain't got #### on him. :thumbup:
 
Can't recall if he's already been mentioned, but Dwayne Slay is a Chicago Bear.  He's a very raw 6-3 strong safety who gets my vote for the hardest hitter in the draft.  I bet he makes the team, for special teams primarily, but watch out if he ever earns a starting job.

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He's definitely a hard hitter. doesnt know how to wrap up and is SLOW. but hits. when he can catch you. and doesnt need to actually make a form tackle.
 
best UDFA class ever. Ill be talking a lot more about all of them as the week goes on. its like theres a whole nuther draft going on right now.

 
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Redskins haved added a couple RBs. Cornell Brockington (Packer fans know the name, same family), pretty decent prospect, and Joe Rubin. I was talking up Rubin at another site during the season. He's a straight ahead bulldozer about 230 pounds. A weightroom warrior, very hard to tackle, was leading DII in rushing for a long time.

The Bears have added a good sized 3rd down receiving back, PJ Pope. He was Omar Jacobs outlet receiver, pretty talented. And they've added Vanderbilts impressive MLB Moses Osemwegie. Moses is very good. All SEC and very deserving of being drafted this past weekend. I think he should have held out for a team with lesser LBs though. In the Day 2 draft day thread, I suggested him as a possibility for Dallas in the 7th. He blew me away more than once while watching Cutler. He was to the D what Jay was to the O, and the D was better than the O to be honest. Moses or Manimal would have given Bradie James a run for his money, probably run him out of town.

eta: Someone asked about Nebraska's dangerous little RB, Cory Ross - Ravens.

 
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Reports that Kai Parham was picked up by Dallas were apparently false.  Kai is still available as far as I can tell.  He's a declared underclassmen who should have stayed in school, but at least he has his degree early too.  This is a case of measureables killing a guy-- probably unfairly.

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KFFL showed that he signed....Cowboys | Team agrees with UDFA K. Parham

Mon, 1 May 2006 22:42:33 -0700

The Virginian-Pilot reports the Dallas Cowboys have agreed to a contract with undrafted rookie free agent LB Kai Parham (Virginia).

 
Still waiting to hear about the following:

D Ross

T Whitehead

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Nothin' yet. I never felt good about Whitehead. He ran over and through college kids, but it never looked fast enough or strong enough to translate. He's a nice receiver too. I have been checking his name regularly. Derrick Ross is the opposite to me. I think his size speed and power work nicely on any football field.

Article about what he went through waiting to be drafted.

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Agree completely about Whitehead. Not very impressive. Surprised about Ross, Howard and Summers.
 
Here's the Panthers full list of 13:

College Free Agents

Pos Name Ht Wt DOB College Hometown

QB Brett Basanez 6-2 210 05/11/83 Northwestern Arlington Heights, IL

WR Taye Biddle 6-1 175 02/27/83 Mississippi Decatur, AL

WR Jovon Bouknight 6-1 191 07/15/83 Wyoming Denver, CO

CB Jarrett Bush 6-1 192 05/21/84 Utah State Vacaville, CA

CB Marcus Cassel 6-0 189 01/06/83 UCLA Carson, CA

G Seppo Evwaraye 6-5 320 06/01/82 Nebraska Laurel, NE

WR Lynzell Jackson 6-2 193 01/31/82 Weber State Tempe, AZ

DE Devan Long 6-4 258 08/31/83 Oregon Anacortes, WA

WR Justin McCullum 6-4 220 10/05/82 Stanford Mercer Island, WA

G Adam O'Connor 6-8 270 01/27/83 William & Mary Greensboro, NC

WR Daniel Smith 6-1 210 05/05/83 Idaho Houston, TX

T Adam Stenavich 6-5 317 03/11/83 Michigan Marshfield, WI

T Albert Toeaina 6-6 355 06/26/84 Tennessee Antioch, CA

 
Lawrence Vickers, my pick for the best fullback in the draft is going to Cleveland.  I really like Cleveland's draft, btw. 

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:thumbup: Good to here, CC.

Here's who the Browns have signed so far:

Charlton Keith - Kansas DE (1st team all big 12, local product from Akron)

Steve Sanders - Bowling Green WR (local product from Cleve East High)

Chris Barclay - Wake Forest RB

Rob Smith - Tennessee OL

Carlton Brewster - Ferris State WR

Kyle Basler - Washington State P

I'm thinking Green and Suggs are gone by training camp, for sure at least one of them. What do you think about Barclay? He was hyped a few years ago, but I think he lost favor last season to a younger back. I would think he's got a good shot to stick over Sultan McCullough and Jason Wright (if they are even still under contract).

 
D Howard with KC per DraftDaddy. Look out LJ.  :P

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OOOOOH!I REALLY love that destination for him. no true backup to LJ right now.

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And here I was ready to really drop him far in the 100... not as far as I thought if this is true.
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Certainly a sleeper pick, but will he perform in camp and get the backup job?He may be a better fit than Q, but he doesn't exactly impress me. (not that he has to, but if he doesn't work his butt off, he won't impress Herm either)

 
D Howard with KC per DraftDaddy. Look out LJ.  :P

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OOOOOH!I REALLY love that destination for him. no true backup to LJ right now.

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And here I was ready to really drop him far in the 100... not as far as I thought if this is true.
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Certainly a sleeper pick, but will he perform in camp and get the backup job?He may be a better fit than Q, but he doesn't exactly impress me. (not that he has to, but if he doesn't work his butt off, he won't impress Herm either)

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Remember who he was behind at Arkansas:Cedric Cobbs

Matt Jones (really one of the main men of the running game when Cobbs was gone)

Darren McFadden (stud freshman)

If Howard is anything like he was in the shrine practices and game in training camp, he will make the team, I guarantee it. he was easily the most impressive between the tackles RB there.

 
D Howard with KC per DraftDaddy. Look out LJ.  :P

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OOOOOH!I REALLY love that destination for him. no true backup to LJ right now.

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And here I was ready to really drop him far in the 100... not as far as I thought if this is true.
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Certainly a sleeper pick, but will he perform in camp and get the backup job?He may be a better fit than Q, but he doesn't exactly impress me. (not that he has to, but if he doesn't work his butt off, he won't impress Herm either)

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Remember who he was behind at Arkansas:Cedric Cobbs

Matt Jones (really one of the main men of the running game when Cobbs was gone)

Darren McFadden (stud freshman)

If Howard is anything like he was in the shrine practices and game in training camp, he will make the team, I guarantee it. he was easily the most impressive between the tackles RB there.

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:shrug: If a RB who is a lesser runner than his QB (insert Dunn/Duckett joke here), Cobbs, and can't beat out a freshman (I know, he's good, but still) impresses you that much, you've seen him more than I have, but there's a reason he went undrafted.

 
D Howard with KC per DraftDaddy. Look out LJ.  :P

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OOOOOH!I REALLY love that destination for him. no true backup to LJ right now.

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And here I was ready to really drop him far in the 100... not as far as I thought if this is true.
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Certainly a sleeper pick, but will he perform in camp and get the backup job?He may be a better fit than Q, but he doesn't exactly impress me. (not that he has to, but if he doesn't work his butt off, he won't impress Herm either)

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Remember who he was behind at Arkansas:Cedric Cobbs

Matt Jones (really one of the main men of the running game when Cobbs was gone)

Darren McFadden (stud freshman)

If Howard is anything like he was in the shrine practices and game in training camp, he will make the team, I guarantee it. he was easily the most impressive between the tackles RB there.

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:shrug: If a RB who is a lesser runner than his QB (insert Dunn/Duckett joke here), Cobbs, and can't beat out a freshman (I know, he's good, but still) impresses you that much, you've seen him more than I have, but there's a reason he went undrafted.

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I certainly won't speak for Bloom, but I think his point is that this is a better opportunity than most of the other UDFAs and even some of the drafted RBs in terms of talent and situation. But I'm not sure anyone thinks he's going to be a superstar or anything.
 
Any word on Demetris Summers who was formerly from South Carolina?

I took a chance on him in our initial dynasty draft a couple of weeks ago and was hoping he would catch on somewhere without 5 RBs on the roster.

B. Nugget

 
D Howard with KC per DraftDaddy. Look out LJ.  :P

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OOOOOH!I REALLY love that destination for him. no true backup to LJ right now.

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And here I was ready to really drop him far in the 100... not as far as I thought if this is true.
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I just saw this and came here to report. Very very nice spot for a runner like him. Move him up. Quentin Griffin is the backup last I heard. I don't know anything about Wake Forest's RB, Barclay. Bloom?

Bryson Sumlin, Fresno States RB2 is going to try out in San Diego. He's a lot different than Mathis, but many many fans thought he was better. I thought FSU West had to NFL caliber backs. There isn't a lot of room in that backfied, but Sumlin's going to the beach.

Houston is going to give Quinton Porter a shot at QB. I love his skillset. He's just raw, but big, fast, great arm, a natural leader. Eh, prolly little chance, but he has a shot.

Darrell Hackney, Browns. He is very Garrard-like.

An RB from Lindenwood (???) named DeDe Dorsey has some Bengal fan draftniks excited. I know nothing.

Texans have picked up hometown big bruiser RB Ryan Gilbert. He's 240 and has nice soft hands. Could be Wells insurance for the next round of FA.

Justin Holland, a pretty complete QB, is going to try out in Miami. I'm going to call it now. He sticks. They also picked up the oft injured LB Trent Bray, who may be a steal... special teamer type steal, but he's a gamer.

Panthers have invited Javon Bouknight to camp. Man, I cannot understand how he clocked so slow. He was always getting deep. A WR who's been all over everyone's boards. Prolly no threat to the existing WRs, but he's impressively productive, and I ain't buying the 40 times.

Hey Construx, Anwar Phillips gets to guard Reggie Bush in camp! The Saints also grabbed McKinley Boykin, the last of the DTs I would have liked Dallas to give a shot. So much for that. Montavious Stanley or die.

 
D Howard with KC per DraftDaddy. Look out LJ.  :P

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OOOOOH!I REALLY love that destination for him. no true backup to LJ right now.

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And here I was ready to really drop him far in the 100... not as far as I thought if this is true.
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Certainly a sleeper pick, but will he perform in camp and get the backup job?He may be a better fit than Q, but he doesn't exactly impress me. (not that he has to, but if he doesn't work his butt off, he won't impress Herm either)

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Remember who he was behind at Arkansas:Cedric Cobbs

Matt Jones (really one of the main men of the running game when Cobbs was gone)

Darren McFadden (stud freshman)

If Howard is anything like he was in the shrine practices and game in training camp, he will make the team, I guarantee it. he was easily the most impressive between the tackles RB there.

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:shrug: If a RB who is a lesser runner than his QB (insert Dunn/Duckett joke here), Cobbs, and can't beat out a freshman (I know, he's good, but still) impresses you that much, you've seen him more than I have, but there's a reason he went undrafted.

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sure - but if you get your hands on tape of the shrine game, i guarantee youll be impressed with him. He was patient, had a good burst, finished his runs, ran through arm tackles, and got to the corner despite being a big back.
 
I also read Brandon Guillory and Derrick Ross are being snubbed for character issues. Issues I might add that go back to high school, should be irrelevant if they did their stinking homework, and pale in comparison to Marcus Vick.

 
Any word on Demetris Summers who was formerly from South Carolina? 

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I remember reading about his odd situation. Haven't heard a thing.
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He was rated very high, so you know he has talent. Surely, somebody would give him a 2nd chance if he has cleaned up his act.http://missouri.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=7274

B. Nugget

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I mentioned several times during the run up that character seems to (finally) be getting serious attention. Some were cynical and didn't believe me. I think this draft has proved the point. Look at all the first round and first day grades that fell further. There is a theme to those lists. A very very high percentage have character issues. What bugs me about cases like Winston Justice and Derrick Ross, is the issues just need research, but nope. Screw up as a very young kid with a ton of talent and pay dearly whether it's indicative of a problem or not.
 
D Howard with KC per DraftDaddy. Look out LJ.  :P

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OOOOOH!I REALLY love that destination for him. no true backup to LJ right now.

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And here I was ready to really drop him far in the 100... not as far as I thought if this is true.
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I just saw this and came here to report. Very very nice spot for a runner like him. Move him up. Quentin Griffin is the backup last I heard. I don't know anything about Wake Forest's RB, Barclay. Bloom?

Bryson Sumlin, Fresno States RB2 is going to try out in San Diego. He's a lot different than Mathis, but many many fans thought he was better. I thought FSU West had to NFL caliber backs. There isn't a lot of room in that backfied, but Sumlin's going to the beach.

Houston is going to give Quinton Porter a shot at QB. I love his skillset. He's just raw, but big, fast, great arm, a natural leader. Eh, prolly little chance, but he has a shot.

Darrell Hackney, Browns. He is very Garrard-like.

An RB from Lindenwood (???) named DeDe Dorsey has some Bengal fan draftniks excited. I know nothing.

Texans have picked up hometown big bruiser RB Ryan Gilbert. He's 240 and has nice soft hands. Could be Wells insurance for the next round of FA.

Justin Holland, a pretty complete QB, is going to try out in Miami. I'm going to call it now. He sticks. They also picked up the oft injured LB Trent Bray, who may be a steal... special teamer type steal, but he's a gamer.

Panthers have invited Javon Bouknight to camp. Man, I cannot understand how he clocked so slow. He was always getting deep. A WR who's been all over everyone's boards. Prolly no threat to the existing WRs, but he's impressively productive, and I ain't buying the 40 times.

Hey Construx, Anwar Phillips gets to guard Reggie Bush in camp! The Saints also grabbed McKinley Boykin, the last of the DTs I would have liked Dallas to give a shot. So much for that. Montavious Stanley or die.

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I saw that! Surprised that he went undrafted, but he always had a bit of an attitude at PSU and got in some trouble there. He's a great athlete though, with decent CB skills. If he can improve his CB skills and keep his nose clean, he'll be a steal.
 
Any word on Demetris Summers who was formerly from South Carolina? 

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I remember reading about his odd situation. Haven't heard a thing.
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He was rated very high, so you know he has talent. Surely, somebody would give him a 2nd chance if he has cleaned up his act.http://missouri.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=7274

B. Nugget

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I mentioned several times during the run up that character seems to (finally) be getting serious attention. Some were cynical and didn't believe me. I think this draft has proved the point. Look at all the first round and first day grades that fell further. There is a theme to those lists. A very very high percentage have character issues. What bugs me about cases like Winston Justice and Derrick Ross, is the issues just need research, but nope. Screw up as a very young kid with a ton of talent and pay dearly whether it's indicative of a problem or not.
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As I just mentioned, Phillips had issues as well with character and went from a 3-4 grade to being undrafted. Definately a point of emphasis this year. IMHO, teams went overboard with it.
 
Reports that Kai Parham was picked up by Dallas were apparently false.  Kai is still available as far as I can tell.  He's a declared underclassmen who should have stayed in school, but at least he has his degree early too.  This is a case of measureables killing a guy-- probably unfairly.

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KFFL showed that he signed....Cowboys | Team agrees with UDFA K. Parham

Mon, 1 May 2006 22:42:33 -0700

The Virginian-Pilot reports the Dallas Cowboys have agreed to a contract with undrafted rookie free agent LB Kai Parham (Virginia).

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I can't find it now, but I heard his agent signed quickly and Kai wanted to wait and Dallas was understanding if he wanted to stay close to home. It does look like he's going to be a Cowboy. I'm happy about that.
 
Any word on Demetris Summers who was formerly from South Carolina? 

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I remember reading about his odd situation. Haven't heard a thing.
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He was rated very high, so you know he has talent. Surely, somebody would give him a 2nd chance if he has cleaned up his act.http://missouri.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=7274

B. Nugget

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I mentioned several times during the run up that character seems to (finally) be getting serious attention. Some were cynical and didn't believe me. I think this draft has proved the point. Look at all the first round and first day grades that fell further. There is a theme to those lists. A very very high percentage have character issues. What bugs me about cases like Winston Justice and Derrick Ross, is the issues just need research, but nope. Screw up as a very young kid with a ton of talent and pay dearly whether it's indicative of a problem or not.
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A little off-topic, but ...Well you also have to consider that these teams aren't just drafting for talent, but also for salary cap considerations. Having a first rounder be useless in this day is almost crippling for an organization (and a lot of teams have trouble if their 2nd or 3rd rounders are busts). A lot of these teams would rather take a guy who is 2-4% worse if they think there is a 90-5% chance he'll be around for 4 years. Meaning there is also underlying economics at work here besides purely drafting the best player available.

One other point, (I know the Panthers did this), but a lot of these teams seem to target certain guys in certain rounds (the Panthers did this with King in the 5th...the rumor is they had him 4th on their TE board). They have a need, (for the Panthers that was a fast LB who can tackle or a mobile OT) which has a very limited supply, so they tend to reach for those players in the middle rounds knowing they can get guys they like better than a lot of other teams later in the draft.

Also a lot of teams value certain types of players over others. I know a lot of people thought the Panthers would take a TE early, but they just don't value that position as much as other teams. Same with safeties.

The most striking example of this is the way different teams value different lineman.

 
Any word on Demetris Summers who was formerly from South Carolina? 

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I remember reading about his odd situation. Haven't heard a thing.
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He was rated very high, so you know he has talent. Surely, somebody would give him a 2nd chance if he has cleaned up his act.http://missouri.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=7274

B. Nugget

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Well, Dallas is going to give him room and board and nice per diem to attend mini-camp. Now I hope he's great! :yes:
 
AZ, DE, Copeland Bryan is one of the guys I'm pulling for. Underachiever, very athletic, was responsible for one of Winston Justice's two difficult games last year. He's going to Tennessee who's calling him an LB. He has the athleticism.

Steelers are going to look at Center Grayling Love. Seems like he's been in the Pac 10 for 6 years. I think he's a four year starter and worth the look.

Bengals have three TEs signed. Hamby from Ohio State probably has the best chance. I read good things about David Jones from LSU, but I know nothing else. Greg Estandia! A sleeper I thought might translate with good coaching. He's an excellent receiver, big boy, nice game speed too. Led UNLV in receiving as a TE. All conference. Didn't think he'd be drafted, but won't be surprised if the Bengals keep him around for a year or two.

The Giants are going to check out James Sims, RB, Washington. He's an INCREDIBLE athlete, who was out of position at safety, then once he moved to RB scouts came calling. He could be a big surprise. There's a post around here (I think it was here) where I talked about this guys nutty measureables-- way back in the middle of the season.

Tommy Jackson, DT, Auburn, Bloom discussed a bit during the Shriner, is with the Falcons. That's the final nail in the coffin for decent DT prospects... I think?

New Orleans signed OG, Will Allen, Texas. Man, that UT OL got dissed hard in this draft. Was Young THAT good? I think Jon Scott is an SOD, and Allen will probably stick.

Denny Green signed Jay McCariens. Yes, he's Justin's bro. He's very small and a very accomplished track star whose great measureables generated a buzz. :dunno:

ETA: McCareins is a corner.

 
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Chiefs picked up one of the most unexpected MIAs. LA Monroe's, DE/OLB, Brandon Guillory. I heard there were character issues. Herm likes helping the lost. Guillory, some say, is an absolute beast. Never saw La Monroe, so can't say anything else.

 
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Chaos, Bloom, whomever,

Got any dominant Div 3 or Div1a type players to keep an eye on?

 
Chaos, Bloom, whomever,

Got any dominant Div 3 or Div1a type players to keep an eye on?

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I've been waiting on Derrick Ross, but I think he may end up in Canada. There's a bunch of them mentioned in this thread. I'll go through it and highlight the ones I think have the best chance or were most productive. Miles Austin was the WR gem, imo. (Dallas)

Joe Rubin impressed me last season, but further reading brought me to my senses. Forget who signed him but it's in this thread somewhere.

Antoine Bagwell was incredibly productive, little guy, RB, kick returner, Barry impersonator. (Rams)

There's more.

 
I mentioned Bengals draftnik type fans being excited about RB DeDe Dorsey from Lindenwood. That was a new name to me.

Brett Elliot, QB, out of Linfield has big fans. He's going to San Diego. Rivers, Feeley, Whitehurst, not good.

Joe Rubin is with the Redskins. He is a powerful runner.

Not much from the small schools and skill guys, and the long list of defenders and OLs is just a bunch of names I never heard of (mostly). A handful of the OLs have been hyped.

 
Anyone hear anything on RB Travis Glasford from Western Illinois. He was a very good 1AA player and was rated as high as 19th on some RB prospect lists. I saw him play and thought he might do as well as Aaron Stecker, another WIU alum and a decent third down back.

 
Quick Q as a Boston College fan...

Where's QB Quinton Porter? He's 6'5" or so and has good size. Played in a pro style offense. Injured? Returned to BC for a 5th season or something? Going to the CFL/Not pursuing NFL instead?

Just wondering :)

 
Quick Q as a Boston College fan...

Where's QB Quinton Porter? He's 6'5" or so and has good size. Played in a pro style offense. Injured? Returned to BC for a 5th season or something? Going to the CFL/Not pursuing NFL instead?

Just wondering :)

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Houston. Nice skillset I agree. Probably get on the practice squad for $64k if he wants...
 
A little off-topic, but ...

Well you also have to consider that these teams aren't just drafting for talent, but also for salary cap considerations.  Having a first rounder be useless in this day is almost crippling for an organization (and a lot of teams have trouble if their 2nd or 3rd rounders are busts).

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I completely disagree. First round picks after 15 do not command big salaries or signing bonuses. Just go look. They can be cut any time after year two or three for a cap savings, not a cap hit. The third round picks being a bust isn't a problem because of their salary, because they make very little. It is a problem because you need cheap effective players (2nd and 3rd rounders) to compensate for your big ticket players.
 
anyone know what team DT ernest hunter from wvu ended up with? 1st team all big east

 
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anyone know what team DT ernest hunter from wvu ended up with?  1st team all big east

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Nothing so far.BUT.

Derrick Ross gets a tryout with the Chiefs. That's a very interesting place for him. He didn't sign a deal, and DeArriuss Howard will be there, but this 230 pounder kid can really run the football.

Still waiting on Whitehead and Hartigan...

 

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