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modogg
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looking forward to dana's press conference. he might be real pissy tonight after those last 3 fights. Worst part is Faber-Barao wasn't that bad, it is just the 2 before it killed it
modogg
Footballguy
worst part is there was no reason for either of those fights to be so boring. just strange. never would have guessed Lombard-Boetsch would have been boring, neveri just turned on the UFC post show on Fuel TV, and i'll be turning it right off in a few seconds. Brian Stann selling the fans on how it was a great night of fights, no it wasn't dummy and no one will fall for that.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Didn't help that the crowd was (understandably) livid after Lombard/Boetsch and Kongo/Jordan. The booing made the main event seem worse than it was.
Possum
Footballguy
pressed the action? the way I saw it, Boetsch went backwards nearly the entire fight - his leg kicks were just trying to distract Lombard's forward movement, I felt like there wasn't much of anything behind them at all. I would have scored it R1/2 for Lombard and R3 for Boetsch. I was rooting for the Barbarian pretty hard, but as little as Lombard was able to do offensively, Boetsch did even less.Barao is an animal. I'd like to see him against KZ or McDonald to defend while Cruz recovers - I'd have to think he'll be a solid favorite over either of those two guys. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Faber from here on out now that he's starting to lose some athleticism - how long can he stay a top 5 BW and can he make it back to a title shot?
modogg
Footballguy
wow
, Dana is pissed:http://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/2012/7/22/3168352/ufc-149-post-fight-press-conference-videoETA: Boetsch broke his foot early in the 2nd, so that makes a little more sense
ETA2: Pretty funny story from Riddle during the post fight conference about possibly fighting Dan Hardy. He got into an unintentional tirade about his first fight oversees in Manchester when some guy spit in his face after his fight
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"Butter teeth"wow
ETA: Boetsch broke his foot early in the 2nd, so that makes a little more sense
ETA2: Pretty funny story from Riddle during the post fight conference about possibly fighting Dan Hardy. He got into an unintentional tirade about his first fight oversees in Manchester when some guy spit in his face after his fight
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Got back from Calgary late last night after a rough weekend.
First event for me. Checked out the weighins on Friday which, as expected, were nothing special.
Got to the fights on Saturday about halfway through the first prelim fight (missed the facebook fights). Had some pretty good seats; 2nd deck, halfway up, right in the middle. And best of all, not surrounded by a bunch of douches.
Undercard was fantastic. Great action and the crowd was loving it. Place was full halfway through the 2nd or 3rd fight and pretty damn loud.
Then the main card... good lord that was terrible. After Riddle/Clement, there was pretty much zero nothing entertaining. No sustained action, no aggression. Nothing. The crowd wanted to get into it but just didn't have a chance. By the time the main event hit, everyone had had enough.
First off, everyone there was pissed about what happened to the card. They ended up with some decent matchups that on paper looked like great fights. The UFC did their best (other than pulling Shogun to feed him Vera on Fox. Bull####).
Second, the bathroom lineups were ungodly long. I've been to the Saddledome for 25+ events and never witnessed lines like this. 30+ minutes for the bathrooms. Unreal. Not sure why it was so different for the UFC. Maybe all the meatheads guzzle too much water. People were pissed about this... little did they know that if they hiked up to the 3rd deck the bathrooms were wide open.
Everyone is expecting that Faber and Baroa is going to save the card. Nope. On its own, a mediocre but forgettable fight. After two of the most boring fights in UFC history, it seemed far, far worse. Any little flurry would get the crowd going... but those were few and far between. A couple guys pretending to fight on the floor and an actual fight in the stands (only one of the night afaik) were more entertaining.
Still a good time and much better than I was expecting even with the terrible fights.
ETA: The chants for 'refund' and 'bull####' were pretty much spot on. The 'bull####' chant is used at least once or twice at every hockey game there; usually directed at the refs.
First event for me. Checked out the weighins on Friday which, as expected, were nothing special.
Got to the fights on Saturday about halfway through the first prelim fight (missed the facebook fights). Had some pretty good seats; 2nd deck, halfway up, right in the middle. And best of all, not surrounded by a bunch of douches.
Undercard was fantastic. Great action and the crowd was loving it. Place was full halfway through the 2nd or 3rd fight and pretty damn loud.
Then the main card... good lord that was terrible. After Riddle/Clement, there was pretty much zero nothing entertaining. No sustained action, no aggression. Nothing. The crowd wanted to get into it but just didn't have a chance. By the time the main event hit, everyone had had enough.
First off, everyone there was pissed about what happened to the card. They ended up with some decent matchups that on paper looked like great fights. The UFC did their best (other than pulling Shogun to feed him Vera on Fox. Bull####).
Second, the bathroom lineups were ungodly long. I've been to the Saddledome for 25+ events and never witnessed lines like this. 30+ minutes for the bathrooms. Unreal. Not sure why it was so different for the UFC. Maybe all the meatheads guzzle too much water. People were pissed about this... little did they know that if they hiked up to the 3rd deck the bathrooms were wide open.
Everyone is expecting that Faber and Baroa is going to save the card. Nope. On its own, a mediocre but forgettable fight. After two of the most boring fights in UFC history, it seemed far, far worse. Any little flurry would get the crowd going... but those were few and far between. A couple guys pretending to fight on the floor and an actual fight in the stands (only one of the night afaik) were more entertaining.
Still a good time and much better than I was expecting even with the terrible fights.
ETA: The chants for 'refund' and 'bull####' were pretty much spot on. The 'bull####' chant is used at least once or twice at every hockey game there; usually directed at the refs.
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'Embarrassed' Dana White vows to return with better show after UFC 149
Main card didn't deliver
By Dave Deibert, Postmedia News
Main card didn't deliver
By Dave Deibert, Postmedia News
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modogg
Footballguy
Well, here is an intriguing fight. Apparently Frank Mir is going to go to Strikeforce and fight Daniel Cormier. That is a pretty good fight. I think Cormier will be the favorite, and i don't know what Mir has left in the tank considering how horrible he looked in his last one, but Mir is usually game and this could be an interesting fight
ETA: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/7/25/3187746/strikeforce-frank-mir-vs-daniel-cormier-mma-news
ETA: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/7/25/3187746/strikeforce-frank-mir-vs-daniel-cormier-mma-news
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hooter311
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Haven't seen a line yet. I'm guessing between -180 and -220 for Danny. I'd be on him on that price. Terrible match up for Mir as his JJ is going to be worthless against a wrestler of Cormier's caliber.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Uh, why to the bolded? Especially Rua (assuming that is Shogun).
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Yeah... I block bleacherreport. So much terrible stuff on that site. Couldn't stand it filling up google searches.
Pick
Footballguy
I look at it all the time. What do you mean?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
90% of the stuff I've seen on there is a slideshow which is a none-starter for me. Maybe it has changed, but I remember that anyone could write for them and it was typically mindless drivel and/or a ridiculous homer-filled rant.I look at it all the time. What do you mean?
Pick
Footballguy
Oh I thought you meant NSFW stuff. No from what I've seen it's mostly just blurbs and conversation-starters to me. That's all I was presenting it as anyway.Here is Rua:90% of the stuff I've seen on there is a slideshow which is a none-starter for me. Maybe it has changed, but I remember that anyone could write for them and it was typically mindless drivel and/or a ridiculous homer-filled rant.I look at it all the time. What do you mean?
Heading into a No. 1 contenders bout for the UFC lightweight championship, Roger Huerta was considered to be one of the best fighters on the planet. After all, he had gone 6-0 in the Octagon and hadn't lost any of his last 17 fights.
Notoriously hard to finish, Huerta had only been stopped once in his career, and that was when his jaw was broken by a punch back in 2004. In his last three bouts, however, El Matador has been finished with strikes.
The most recent knockout came in gruesome fashion at a ONE FC event in Malaysia, when a mixed rules contest allowed opponent Zorobabel Moreira to punt Huerta's head like a football.
Now having lost six of his last seven contests, Huerta's day in the sun has arrived. Even though the 29-year-old could feasibly fight for another decade, he takes too much damage every time he steps into the cage, and riding a four-fight losing streak means that he won't smell the reception hall of a major promotion anytime soon.
Rampage:
Rampage Jackson is one of few fighters on this list who hasn't been knocked out in a long time. In fact, the last time that Jackson was finished with strikes came in a 2005 contest against Shogun Rua.
However, the former PRIDE star needs to enter the retirement home for a completely different reason: apathy.
When properly motivated, Jackson can be one of the best in the world. However, finding motivation has been troublesome. Aside from his title shot against Jon Jones and his rematch with Wanderlei Silva, there hasn't been much fire behind the ex-champion.
The most telling example of this came in a contest with heated rival Rashad Evans. Jackson came into the contest out of shape, despite fighting someone who he legitimately wanted to put in the dirt.
After the two-time Ultimate Figher coach begged Dana White to release him, the president appealed to Jackson's sense of right and wrong. "We've honored your contract so far. Honor yours and finish it."
Jackson will fight Glover Teixeira in his final UFC fight at UFC 153 in Brazil.
Warren:
Joe Warren has tremendous wrestling skills, and he utilized them to earn the Bellator bantamweight championship only seven fights into his professional career.
At 35 years old, Warren would have a few more fights left in him if he could avoid damage. However, in most fights that the Team Quest grappler partakes, he seems to absorb quite a bit of punishment before all is said and done.
What's most telling is that Warren's last two fights saw him eat back-to-back knockouts that can best be described as disgusting.
Forrest:
All of a sudden, Forrest Griffin's body is no longer producing enough testosterone to function, and he needs testosterone replacement therapy in order to compete. Is that what we are supposed to believe?
The former champion battled Tito Ortiz earlier this month and was unimpressive to say the least. With terrible cardio and striking that wasn't getting off like he wanted, it was one of the worst performances in Griffin's career.
If the TUF winner used TRT in his last fight, I wonder how pathetic his performance at UFC 148 would have been without it. After all, Michael Bisping has already done a great job of summing up my feelings on the matter.
"If you need TRT, you're in the wrong sport."
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
That is what I mean about the writing! It says 'Rua' then talks about Roger Huerta.
Pick
Footballguy
That was actually me.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
That was actually me.
The only guys I think should retire are the punch drunk guys like Shamrock, Pulver, Arlovski and maybe Silva and Jardine.The rest may no longer be good fighters, but I don't see a real reason to hang it up.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Rampage doesn't seem like he really cares anymore.That was actually me.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Definitely not but he can still physically perform.Rampage doesn't seem like he really cares anymore.That was actually me.
modogg
Footballguy
I think Glover is going to eat Rampage alive. But, maybe that is the kind of fight Rampage needs. One where he knows if he goes in lazy it won't just be a guy laying on hi like Bader, but he'll be getting F'd up. So maybe he comes out motivated. I only hope the line is close to even or not too heavy for Glover, and i know i'll be on him. Just seems like it can be a tricky fight though. Rampage seems like he hasn't cared for a long time, but his motivations are always strange and maybe he feels like he rally has something to prove this time. Pretty sure Glover will be a heavy favorite though, and i will still take himand the card this weekend could be fun. Really can't complain about free cards on Fox. And I imagine Dana will have a hell of a talk with the guys after the last event. I don't see how this one can be that boring though. As far as betting, i am getting some mixed feelings now about who to take now that i am looking a little more into it. I loved Lauzon against Varner at -115, but i think i am talking myself out of it. Got some looking into to see where the value it, unfortunately i don't think it will be a big dog night
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
You'd also think he'd have been motivated in his return to Japan, but he wasn't.
hooter311
Footballguy
Rampage has been using his entire camps just getting into shape, I don't even know what aspect of fighting he actually trains. Phenomenal core strength and a good right hook, that's Rampage and that doesn't cut it anymore in the UFC. I think he is strong enough to hang in there but he has been outmatched in every fight for a couple years now.
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modogg
Footballguy
Man, do i not like the UFC card from a gambling perspective for tomorrow. Really not a ton of value that i can find, only 3 bets so far. i'm sure i will add more, but i have to make sure i take it easy on this card because the value is just not there:
Shogun -370 - 1 unit: hate taking lines this high with guys who are getting up there and have a ton of wear and tear on their body. But, I have no faith in Vera and this will likely be a fight that when i win it will be more of a sigh of relief rather than excitement. The reason i feel i can take it is because i don't see how Vera wins without it being a decision, which should favor Shogun if his conditioning is good (which is always a bit of a concern). Fingers will be crossed here, but i still like it
Cole Miller -135 - 1 unit: I think this will be a fun fight, but Cole Miller is too long for Nam. He cost me pretty good against Wiman and Siler, and i anticipate he bounces back from that Siler fight. I like Phan as a fighter, but Cole should dictate the pace of this fight and beat up Nam pretty good.
Oli Thompson +175 - .5 unit: I feel bad for him and De Fries, everybody is laughing at these 2 as the joke of the card. I think the fight is a pick 'em. De Fries has good submissions, but nothing else. C'mon Oli!
Also like Machida, but really don't like the idea of taking 2 guys over -350, especially with Machida talking about moving to MW. I am not impressed at all with Bader, and really wanted to take whoever he fought after that Rampage fight because I thought he would be valued much higher from that, but apparently not.
Shogun -370 - 1 unit: hate taking lines this high with guys who are getting up there and have a ton of wear and tear on their body. But, I have no faith in Vera and this will likely be a fight that when i win it will be more of a sigh of relief rather than excitement. The reason i feel i can take it is because i don't see how Vera wins without it being a decision, which should favor Shogun if his conditioning is good (which is always a bit of a concern). Fingers will be crossed here, but i still like it
Cole Miller -135 - 1 unit: I think this will be a fun fight, but Cole Miller is too long for Nam. He cost me pretty good against Wiman and Siler, and i anticipate he bounces back from that Siler fight. I like Phan as a fighter, but Cole should dictate the pace of this fight and beat up Nam pretty good.
Oli Thompson +175 - .5 unit: I feel bad for him and De Fries, everybody is laughing at these 2 as the joke of the card. I think the fight is a pick 'em. De Fries has good submissions, but nothing else. C'mon Oli!
Also like Machida, but really don't like the idea of taking 2 guys over -350, especially with Machida talking about moving to MW. I am not impressed at all with Bader, and really wanted to take whoever he fought after that Rampage fight because I thought he would be valued much higher from that, but apparently not.
modogg
Footballguy
So out of all the fighters who do commentary on Fuel and are on set, i think my favorites are Rashad, Chael, Cruz and Bisping. Not sure of my exact order, but all 4 guys seem more natural doing it.
Actually, now that i think about it i like them all better when they're paired with Karen Oliver. I think i like her over anybody else on that Fuel team.
ETA: i don't know what she has to do to move up the pecking order there, but i hope they do it sooner rather than later. I think an advantage she has to is seeing her do 1:1 interviews with Dana and others. She is real good with those too, give me her over Glazer any day of the week
Actually, now that i think about it i like them all better when they're paired with Karen Oliver. I think i like her over anybody else on that Fuel team.
ETA: i don't know what she has to do to move up the pecking order there, but i hope they do it sooner rather than later. I think an advantage she has to is seeing her do 1:1 interviews with Dana and others. She is real good with those too, give me her over Glazer any day of the week
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modogg
Footballguy
also grabbed useless Gomez for .75 unit
modogg
Footballguy
I always liked Josh Grispi, but man has he fallen far. I don't know why he wanted to fight with YahYa on the mat, because he could eat him alive on his feet. i'm sure it is easier said than done getting up with Rani on you, but Grispi is supposed to be capable on the fight too.
Hope the guy gets another chance and bounces back, or i hope that he can take care of whatever he needs to take care of outside. i heard he had family issues for a bit, and he is young enough to bounce back.
and Oli cost me money, so i'll try another dog. Demarcus Johnson +180. Swick hasn't fought in 2.5 years, Demarcus has good conditioning. If it goes the distance, i have to think advantage goes to Johnson.
and i'm real tempted to take Prado at +500. Davis should win, but Prado isn't nothing. the guy is a good up and comer. if i take it, it is based purely on the line, but Davis should certainly win this
Hope the guy gets another chance and bounces back, or i hope that he can take care of whatever he needs to take care of outside. i heard he had family issues for a bit, and he is young enough to bounce back.
and Oli cost me money, so i'll try another dog. Demarcus Johnson +180. Swick hasn't fought in 2.5 years, Demarcus has good conditioning. If it goes the distance, i have to think advantage goes to Johnson.
and i'm real tempted to take Prado at +500. Davis should win, but Prado isn't nothing. the guy is a good up and comer. if i take it, it is based purely on the line, but Davis should certainly win this
modogg
Footballguy
yeah, if he could get more comfortable on the feet he would certainly be a contender. if Maia can develop his stand-up like he did, you would think someone like Yahya could tooand i got to do it, Prado +525 .33 unit. Line is way too generous for Phil, though Phil should certainly win this fight. -300 makes sense, -800 is just dumb
sheerterror
Footballguy
How's it goin guys - been a long time since I posted.
Tonight, I'm going with:
DaMarques Johnson +200 1.5u to win 3u: Purely a fade of Swick, who I've never been impressed with. I think he always received a lot of hype because he trains at AKA with Fitch, Koschek etc. but as Mo said, 2.5 years out of the octagon, no reason for this stiff of odds.
Lyoto Machida -305 6.1u to win 2u: Bader isn't on close to the same level as Machida. I think Machida picks him apart en route to a 2nd round tko.
Davis/Prado o1.5 -155 3.1u to win 2u: I trust Davis' fight IQ here, and expect him to use his wrestling pedigree to control Prado on the mat. I believe Prado will have enough durability to survive 2 rounds.
Leans on Shogun, u3.5 Shogun/Vera, Cole Miller, Joe Lauzon - but will likely stay off.
Tonight, I'm going with:
DaMarques Johnson +200 1.5u to win 3u: Purely a fade of Swick, who I've never been impressed with. I think he always received a lot of hype because he trains at AKA with Fitch, Koschek etc. but as Mo said, 2.5 years out of the octagon, no reason for this stiff of odds.
Lyoto Machida -305 6.1u to win 2u: Bader isn't on close to the same level as Machida. I think Machida picks him apart en route to a 2nd round tko.
Davis/Prado o1.5 -155 3.1u to win 2u: I trust Davis' fight IQ here, and expect him to use his wrestling pedigree to control Prado on the mat. I believe Prado will have enough durability to survive 2 rounds.
Leans on Shogun, u3.5 Shogun/Vera, Cole Miller, Joe Lauzon - but will likely stay off.
modogg
Footballguy
nice to see ya bud. i think i will up my D-johnson a bet then. and i've been real tempted taking Machida too, the weight difference is all that worries me. i think if Cole win, i'll try MachidaHow's it goin guys - been a long time since I posted.Tonight, I'm going withaMarques Johnson +200 1.5u to win 3u: Purely a fade of Swick, who I've never been impressed with. I think he always received a lot of hype because he trains at AKA with Fitch, Koschek etc. but as Mo said, 2.5 years out of the octagon, no reason for this stiff of odds.Lyoto Machida -305 6.1u to win 2u: Bader isn't on close to the same level as Machida. I think Machida picks him apart en route to a 2nd round tko.Davis/Prado o1.5 -155 3.1u to win 2u: I trust Davis' fight IQ here, and expect him to use his wrestling pedigree to control Prado on the mat. I believe Prado will have enough durability to survive 2 rounds.Leans on Shogun, u3.5 Shogun/Vera, Cole Miller, Joe Lauzon - but will likely stay off.
modogg
Footballguy
ugh, Jesus H. Phil. What were you trying to do, slap Prado in the face like a chick? I like Phil, but that was just a ridiculous attempt at a strike
ETA: hope it's nothing big for Prado and they can throw him on another card soon. same with Phil too
ETA: hope it's nothing big for Prado and they can throw him on another card soon. same with Phil too
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modogg
Footballguy
ugh, i do not like Cole at 145. I thought he struggled with Siler because the weight cut was a little tough, but he is looking pretty horrible here in the 1st against Phan, who is not a slick striker. Cole need to recollect, i don't know how you get hit by the same left hook combo 4 times in a row 
Balco
Footballguy
Thank god I am not betting. I would have loaded up on Cole. He is about to get KTFO.ugh, i do not like Cole at 145. I thought he struggled with Siler because the weight cut was a little tough, but he is looking pretty horrible here in the 1st against Phan, who is not a slick striker. Cole need to recollect, i don't know how you get hit by the same left hook combo 4 times in a row
modogg
Footballguy
Glad to see he looks like a different fighter here in the 2nd. 1st was scary as a guy who has quite a bit on Cole, but looking a lot better now. As long as he doesn't get tagged too bad, should go into the 3rd 19-19Thank god I am not betting. I would have loaded up on Cole. He is about to get KTFO.ugh, i do not like Cole at 145. I thought he struggled with Siler because the weight cut was a little tough, but he is looking pretty horrible here in the 1st against Phan, who is not a slick striker. Cole need to recollect, i don't know how you get hit by the same left hook combo 4 times in a row
Balco
Footballguy
He looks gassed in the 3rd.Glad to see he looks like a different fighter here in the 2nd. 1st was scary as a guy who has quite a bit on Cole, but looking a lot better now. As long as he doesn't get tagged too bad, should go into the 3rd 19-19Thank god I am not betting. I would have loaded up on Cole. He is about to get KTFO.ugh, i do not like Cole at 145. I thought he struggled with Siler because the weight cut was a little tough, but he is looking pretty horrible here in the 1st against Phan, who is not a slick striker. Cole need to recollect, i don't know how you get hit by the same left hook combo 4 times in a row
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Cole may have stolen this. 2nd round was really close.
Balco
Footballguy
I think he rebounded in the 3rd and took the round. Going to be close. I have it 30-29 Miller.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
They definitely each won a round.