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'Balco said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Balco said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Sebowski said:
Fighters all piling on Jones<snip>Bet there's tons more where that came from. These are just the ones posted on a couple sites.
Fighters aren't very smart. Did Jones cancel the event or did Dana?
I am ticked at UFC as well. But the show would have gone on if Jones had accepted the challenge of a guy he would pummel. I don't care if they brought Ken Shamrock out of retirement to fight him.
Why couldn't the show have gone on anyway? Maybe cut the PPV price in half? Or just a crappy PPV? Get it on Fuel? I doubt they have anything that important running on a Saturday night. Dana did much more harm by cancelling the card than he would have by just having a ####ty card.
I would be interested to hear his take on it. The card was horrible even with Jones-Henderson, but I (and I would assume others who are flying a long distance) would rather see a card then none at all. So Dana definitely shoulders a lot of blame. With that said, it is still dissapointing that a champion wouldn't take on a fight of a guy with similar style to Henderson (but a far worse fighter) regardless of notice. He has been training for a fight next Saturday, it's not like he has to get into shape. He lost the respect of fellow fighters and lost a ton of fans, myself included.
Yeah, it was a ##### move by Jones but a completely understandable move IMO. How Sonnen is even considered for a LHW title shot is beyond me. All he is is a mouth. He is a mediocre, boring fighter who barely beat (according to some terrible judges) Bisping. It just doesn't make any sense. He is 5-3 in the UFC, been finished all 3 times and has only finished one guy. Sonnen makes Fitch and Okami look exciting.Jones accepted a much tougher fight on the next PPV vs a legitimate contender and a guy who has actually fought at LHW. Jones is a fake, dumb, piece of #### but made the right decision. Dana made the wrong one.
 
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Sebowski said:
Fighters all piling on Jones<snip>Bet there's tons more where that came from. These are just the ones posted on a couple sites.
Fighters aren't very smart. Did Jones cancel the event or did Dana?
Dana did, after injuries wiped out the top 3 fights on the card. Jones could have saved the day. He didn't. Bytch move on his part.
Injuries wiped 9 fighters of UFC149. The show went on.
 
They still had Urijah Fabers star power to sell 149. The next biggest fight remaining from 151, after Jones declined, was Ellenberger / Heiron.
Tickets were already sold out by the time Faber came to the card and the PPV only sold about 235K. I think Faber having any short of star power is long gone. I know I sure wasn't happy. Hell, Dana even pulled Shogun from the already decimated card. Shogun >>>> Faber.
 
They still had Urijah Fabers star power to sell 149. The next biggest fight remaining from 151, after Jones declined, was Ellenberger / Heiron.
Tickets were already sold out by the time Faber came to the card and the PPV only sold about 235K. I think Faber having any short of star power is long gone. I know I sure wasn't happy. Hell, Dana even pulled Shogun from the already decimated card. Shogun >>>> Faber.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, but Shogun and/or Faber is AT LEAST 5x the PPV draw that Jake Ellenberger is. Jay Heiron hasn't fought in the UFC in almost 7 years and nobody but MMA nerds even know who he is.
 
They still had Urijah Fabers star power to sell 149. The next biggest fight remaining from 151, after Jones declined, was Ellenberger / Heiron.
Tickets were already sold out by the time Faber came to the card and the PPV only sold about 235K. I think Faber having any short of star power is long gone. I know I sure wasn't happy. Hell, Dana even pulled Shogun from the already decimated card. Shogun >>>> Faber.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, but Shogun and/or Faber is AT LEAST 5x the PPV draw that Jake Ellenberger is. Jay Heiron hasn't fought in the UFC in almost 7 years and nobody but MMA nerds even know who he is.
I think you're severely overstating Faber's drawing power.I just don't get the reasoning to cancel it other than not wanting a 3rd ####ty PPV in a row. I'm sure they've dumped a ton of money into this already and they could at least recoup some of that.
 
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They still had Urijah Fabers star power to sell 149. The next biggest fight remaining from 151, after Jones declined, was Ellenberger / Heiron.
Tickets were already sold out by the time Faber came to the card and the PPV only sold about 235K. I think Faber having any short of star power is long gone. I know I sure wasn't happy. Hell, Dana even pulled Shogun from the already decimated card. Shogun >>>> Faber.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, but Shogun and/or Faber is AT LEAST 5x the PPV draw that Jake Ellenberger is. Jay Heiron hasn't fought in the UFC in almost 7 years and nobody but MMA nerds even know who he is.
Hofstra represent!
 
It doesn't matter what a lot of people think, this will go down as Jones's fault, and I think rightfully so. The UFC has put a lot of money, indirectly in Jones pocket. I suspect his next DWI where he wrecks his car will not be welcomed by the UFC's support. He is trying to stand his ground and say he is bigger than the UFC and the sport. That camp and Jones had to have the idea that they were literally taking money from all the other fighters on the card and all the fans.

I don't know how much this will hurt Jones, but i am guessing Nike isn't excited they signed the sponsorship with him. Not sure if other sponsors will consider this either. And good luck to Jones getting support from other training camps. Wouldn't be surprised to hear half of the LHWs out there calling Machida and offering to assist in any way to help him train against Jones.

I for one think the beating Jones is taking from the rest of the fighters out there is legitimate. I can't imagine training for months to find out a card is cancelled because of this. And yeah the UFC could have kept the card up, but the reality is this will, and should fall, on Jones

ETA: the whole twitter thing is a bad idea for a lot of these guys. From Jon Jones in 2010: "Just to clear the record i've never turn down a mma fight against anyone and never will.." Tsk Tsk Mr. Jones

ETA2: UFC tonight is running a special episode tonight at 1 a.m. EST. I have to think Jones will take a beating during this, and could be kind of funny to hear Chael line up some softballs

 
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Henderson injuries himself.

White cancels card.

Jones accepts fight vs top contender instead of middleweight wash out.

I really don't get how this can be on Jones. The other fighters have a legitimate grip... against the UFC! They are the ones who cancelled the card. They are the ones telling their employees there is no work that day. They are the ones who replaced Koscheck with Heiron a month away from the fight.

 
Jones's last 4 fights were against 4 of the last 5 LHW champs but he's a ##### for not taking a match against an overrated loudmouth? If the best replacement fighter they had was Sonnen, that's not Jones's fault, it's the UFC's. More cards like 146 and this won't be a problem.

 
Henderson injuries himself.White cancels card.Jones accepts fight vs top contender instead of middleweight wash out.I really don't get how this can be on Jones. The other fighters have a legitimate grip... against the UFC! They are the ones who cancelled the card. They are the ones telling their employees there is no work that day. They are the ones who replaced Koscheck with Heiron a month away from the fight.
There was nothing noteworthy on this card after the main event that would get buys. Again, the UFC's fault for spreading the cards thin. All the other fights on this card should've been replaced with the Shogun vs Vera card from 3 weeks ago. If someone in the main event gets injured, you can sub in Machida or Rua and move Phil Davis into their fight.
 
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Henderson injuries himself.White cancels card.Jones accepts fight vs top contender instead of middleweight wash out.I really don't get how this can be on Jones. The other fighters have a legitimate grip... against the UFC! They are the ones who cancelled the card. They are the ones telling their employees there is no work that day. They are the ones who replaced Koscheck with Heiron a month away from the fight.
There was nothing noteworthy on this card after the main event that would get buys. Again, the UFC's fault for spreading the cards thin. All the other fights on this card should've been replaced with the Shogun vs Vera card from 3 weeks ago. If someone in the main event gets injured, you can sub in Machida or Rua and move Phil Davis into their fight.
it's hard blaming the UFC for a lot of these things though. They are tied into the deal they have with Fox, so they have to put on cards. I don't know if the UFC could have predicted all the fights lost to injury, but i guess this scraps the idea of bringing the UFC to a "Tuesday Night Fights" level, which i think blows. Tuesday night fights was the sole reason why i became a big boxing fan as a kid, and i think that was the case for a lot of people. and here are some good reactions from other fighters on the card:http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/23/3263882/ufc-151-undercard-fighters-fire-back-jon-jones-financial-difficulty#storyjump
 
http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-152-fight-card-updates?vitor

"Jon Jones will now face former champion Vitor Belfort for the UFC light heavyweight championship on September 22 in Toronto, as today's bizarre series of events has taken yet another twist."
So Machida turned down a title shot on 3 weeks notice...I assume he'll get the same amount of criticism that Jones did for turning down a fight with an undeserved middleweight on 8 days notice
 
http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-152-fight-card-updates?vitor

"Jon Jones will now face former champion Vitor Belfort for the UFC light heavyweight championship on September 22 in Toronto, as today's bizarre series of events has taken yet another twist."
So Machida turned down a title shot on 3 weeks notice...I assume he'll get the same amount of criticism that Jones did for turning down a fight with an undeserved middleweight on 8 days notice
You see the difference, right?Jones was already in camp, training to fight a wrestler/striker. When Henderson got injured, UFC offered up a similar fighter ( with no striking ability) who would have to move up in weight and had no camp to prepare. Jon Jones is a joke. I wonder if he will pay for the non refundable flight I booked a month ago. maybe he can split it with Dana.
 
Chael Sonnen:

I am no longer permitted to speak ill of the former champion Jon Jones as we have come to an agreement. I will stop tearing him down verbally and in exchange he has relinquished his belt to me. I would like to read a prepared statement from the former Champion.

Mr Sonnen,

In every mans life a choice must eventually be made. Run or fight. I said I wouldn't duck any man as champion. But you are no ordinary man. You've spoken nothing but truth in your attempt to gain a title fight with me. My last act of cowardness is to hand over what you would have beaten out of me 8 days from today. The UFC LHW Title. Now I must refocus my life. Good luck Champ.

Signed,

Jon Bones Jones

P.S. I just ordered your best selling book, A Voice of Reason from amazon, I've been told by Greg Jackson that it will help me get through this tough time. Thanks
 
Good stuff...Sonnen on ESPN...

"I just don't know why he won't fight me next Saturday," Sonnen said. "What else does he have to do Saturday, is there a wine tasting at a local racetrack or something that I haven't heard about? I don't know. I don't know what his deal is, maybe Dana didn't make it clear enough that he was willing to fly Jon Jones out, maybe Jones thought he had to drive. ..."Jon Jones has his own way of going about things," said Sonnen. "This guy is an entitled brat, and when you get that way, you're surrounded with people who tell you these things. You don't think of anyone else but yourself. He's now with Nike, Nike with Jon Jones will have to change their slogan to ‘Just Do Nothing.'"Asked if it was fair for Jones to face a new opponent on just over a week's notice, Sonnen contrasted Henderson's attempts to stick with the fight to Jones' response."We're a volunteer army, nobody has to fight, nobody has to go with this company and go into this line of work," said Sonnen. "But, when you choose to, and when you sign your name to a contract, with an industry that's counting on you to honor your word, you've got to honor your word. Dan Henderson was on one leg, and did everything he could in order to still make that date. Dana White flew him out, had his own doctor look at his knee and said look, he can't go. So Dan Henderson on one leg was willing to do what Jon Jones who's healthy wasn't willing to do."Sonnen couldn't resist going into straight-up pro wrestling bluster mode, saying Jones passed up an opportunity to beat Sonnen while Sonnen wasn't prepared."I can beat Jon Jones, but he can beat me too," Sonnen said. "This was his opportunity to get me on eight days' notice. Eight days notice is going to turn to zero days notice. All you do the final week is make weight and do a media tour. I'd never step foot in the gym. I wouldn't have gotten one round, one mile, one jump rope, nothing under my belt until I walk into that ring. This was his opportunity to sway the scales in his favor. Now, when I come to beat him, next tim I'm going to get a contract, I'm going to get 90 days, I'm going to get normal training preparation, this was going to be his opportunity to slip one past the greatest icon this sport has ever seen, and and he missed this, he missed it like a chump.
 
As disappointing as yesterday’s situation surrounding the cancellation of UFC 151 was, it seems the UFC had an extremely good nugget of news fall into its lap during the fallout from things albeit a bit too late. Apparently, middleweight champ Anderson Silva called UFC President Dana White after the irate executive announced the organization had axed the September 1 show and stated he would step up to fight at the event as a light heavyweight (though not against Jon Jones).
This is all on White. Silva, Weidman and Sonnen all offered to save the card.
 
Jones stuff is a non issue. Some people just need something to talk about. He's fighting Sept 22.

Others have offered to step up and fight on the cancelled card. Dana cancelled the card. If he thought that highly of his poor starving fighters, the show woulda went on.

 
Who is to blame

1) Dana White (and Lorenzo Fertitta and anyone else who makes the decisions that we don't know about). If you added up the total blame of numbers 2, 3, 4 and 5 on this list and then compared it with #1, the proportions would be absurd. It'd probably look something like this, thanks random day-trading ad that happened to be the first image on Google's search:

I like the little sparkle that guy put on the bottom. It really makes it stand out.

There are a lot of reasons why this is the fault of the UFC brass, but the main one is really simple: they're the ones who cancelled the event. Now perhaps in part of the attempted negotiations with Jones and his camp, they made it clear to him that they were going to cancel the event if he didn't fight. Again, though, that little bit of blackmail isn't Jones' problem or fault. Jones is not paid to look after the well-being of other fighters. The head honchos were the ones who made this decision and the blame lies squarely on them.

It is their fault that they've been rolling the dice with paper-thin cards held together with spit and bubblegum. It caught up to them in UFC 147 with a PPV buyrate reported to be only 140,000. It caught up to them in declining ratings on Fox, as the much maligned "#1 contender's bout" between Shogun and Vera drew the same 2.4 million as UFC on Fox 3 did (the Diaz vs. Miller card) - half of the numbers that tuned in for Fox 2 (Evans vs. Davis), which in turn was a drop-off from the 5.7 million that JDS/Cain did on the premiere. I've been harping on this for months, as a matter of fact.

UFC 151 was being maligned as one of the worst cards of the year with the exception of the Jones/Hendo tilt, and the reason for that is because the UFC has spread itself too damn thin. There is a small segment of the population that cares about this and will watch everything. There's another slightly larger segment that will watch big names, stars and big cards. That second portion doesn't give the slightest damn about seeing Jay Hieron, Eddie Yagin, Thiago Tavares, John Lineker and Yasuhiro Uru####ani on something they're spending 60 bucks on. They don't care that the FX prelims have Jeff Hougland, Tim Means, Abel Trujillo and Henry Martinez. When you overreach, sometimes you get burned, and the UFC got burned badly by putting on a card they couldn't sell because there was no one of interest on it save one fight.

This has been a criticism that Dana himself has leveled against boxing before: the one-fight card. But the UFC has gone and done it and all of a sudden, they're coming to terms with the risk/reward ratio of such things. Imagine if you would, the following scenario: current middleweight champion Sergio Martinez is scheduled to face Julio Cesar Chavez Jr three weeks from now. In two weeks, JCC breaks his hand and pulls out of the fight. Why would Martinez be obligated to take a fight against Jr. (light) middleweight #2 Miguel Cotto, who's fresh off his loss to Mayweather? It's an absurd notion. When you make a one-fight card, as this PPV was, and the fight gets monkey-wrenched by injury, that's your fault for setting yourself up this way.

The behavior of Dana was especially saddening, and in some ways appalling. Again, Jones owes them nothing beyond what he is required to give. The power that the UFC wields with its monopoly right now is enormous, and they're used to people doing what they're told. However, Jones stood his ground as he is within his rights to do, and Dana flew off the handle at Jones and his team. His continued bashing of Jackson as a "f*cking sport killer" is sad and also misplaced, as Dana continues to hand out Fight, Sub and KO of the night bonuses to Jackson fighters with regularity.

I'll close with this solid quote by Rainer Lee:

White is doing a hell of a thing, deflecting blame onto Jones and his camp like this, obscuring the fact that this is an unprecedented move for the UFC because UFC cards right now are shallow to an unprecedented degree.

As for the undercard fighters, there are two people they should be looking to before they look to Jones for responsibility: 1. themselves and the extent to which they are a draw in the sport, and 2. Dana White, who has shown very little faith in their ability to hold the show together. Jones doesn't owe money to the undercard fighters. The UFC does.

To sum up what became a massive post exceeding two-thousand words. There are many people you can blame for UFC 151 being cancelled. The only correct answer is Dana White and the rest of the UFC brass, as they're the ones that set this up and they're the ones that pulled the trigger. You can rightfully be made at Jon Jones that he isn't fighting next weekend, but there's no call for him to take the blame for the fall of the entire card.

He's responsible for himself, not the organization as a whole.
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
:no: I'm enjoying blaming this all on Jones. In all honesty, there are quite a few who can take blame for it, but the UFC has done a good job in the past making up for things that have gone bad. I'm sure they will reach out when they can. it does seem like the UFC is overbooked (has 6-7 cards coming up soon, multiple TUF shows, etc.), and maybe they could do less of this, but they are giving fans what they want with more shows and and going all over the world to get to fans, and are catching crap for it. As for Jones, he has gotten away with a lot of little things (off the top of my head his talk of not wanting to fight Machida because of low PPV numbers, etc.) and 70% of the money he is making is because the UFC pushed him. Jones is in a position now with the title where he has some control now, and i think that is what bothers people too.

I just like all the guys who say they would have stepped up. :thumbup: to a guy like Jamie Varner, who says he would have jumped up to fight Jones in a heartbeat if he was asked to.

 
'Cliff Clavin said:
:no: I'm enjoying blaming this all on Jones. In all honesty, there are quite a few who can take blame for it, but the UFC has done a good job in the past making up for things that have gone bad. I'm sure they will reach out when they can. it does seem like the UFC is overbooked (has 6-7 cards coming up soon, multiple TUF shows, etc.), and maybe they could do less of this, but they are giving fans what they want with more shows and and going all over the world to get to fans, and are catching crap for it. As for Jones, he has gotten away with a lot of little things (off the top of my head his talk of not wanting to fight Machida because of low PPV numbers, etc.) and 70% of the money he is making is because the UFC pushed him. Jones is in a position now with the title where he has some control now, and i think that is what bothers people too.

I just like all the guys who say they would have stepped up. :thumbup: to a guy like Jamie Varner, who says he would have jumped up to fight Jones in a heartbeat if he was asked to.
Quality >>> Quantity.I'm starting to skip quite a few cards because they are just so thin and not worth the $$$. I wasn't even sure if I was going to order this one or not because it was that terrible after the main event.

People are not asking to shell out $55 for poor cards. The UFC is asking for it. People have been complaining for a long time about the PPV frequency and the deteriorating quality of the cards. It has finally come back to bite them in the ###.

 
A lot of UFC Internet tough guys coming out of the woodwork on Twitter saying they'd step up.

Most the guys chirping now wouldn't last 30 seconds with Jones.

 
And for those that think the UFC is more to blame then Jon Jones, I hope you feel much more supportive toward Clay Guida, since he fought a smart fight in his own interest instead of going to war against Maynard. Same with Condit. For me, i think Guida and Condit did the right things, but I can't get behind Jon Jones here. Just too many things adding up, and yes it may not be right, but i put most of the blame on him for this.

and maybe that is what this is, the UFC getting back for Jones and finally drawing a line in the sand with the Jackson camp/Jones. I am not sure how far Jones was willing to take his declaration from before that he didn't want to fight Machida because the PPV numbers would be low, but maybe the UFC is playing the situation a bit and cancelled the card knowing this could hurt the Jone Jones brand a bit

 
He fights 3 weeks later.

People crying (and rambling in circles) over nothing. Whatever makes them feel important.

It is Dana's oompany. If you want Jon Jones to make every life decision based on the best interest of the UFC, make him the UFC president.

 
And for those that think the UFC is more to blame then Jon Jones, I hope you feel much more supportive toward Clay Guida, since he fought a smart fight in his own interest instead of going to war against Maynard. Same with Condit. For me, i think Guida and Condit did the right things, but I can't get behind Jon Jones here. Just too many things adding up, and yes it may not be right, but i put most of the blame on him for this.

and maybe that is what this is, the UFC getting back for Jones and finally drawing a line in the sand with the Jackson camp/Jones. I am not sure how far Jones was willing to take his declaration from before that he didn't want to fight Machida because the PPV numbers would be low, but maybe the UFC is playing the situation a bit and cancelled the card knowing this could hurt the Jone Jones brand a bit
1) There is smart fighting and then there is running and losing. I'm plenty fine with conservative gameplan guys like Fitch, Okami or even Sonnen (although I hate him very much). Yeah, it is pretty boring to watch sometimes but what can you do? Guida running laps is completely different story especially since it is the polar opposite of the style that got him to where he is.2) Please don't take my tirade as getting behind Jones. I dislike him very much. He's an awesome fighter but a fake, dumb, <insert adjective>, person. Call him a ##### or a chicken for not pummeling Sonnen but don't blame the cancellation on him.

 
He fights 3 weeks later.People crying (and rambling in circles) over nothing. Whatever makes them feel important.It is Dana's oompany. If you want Jon Jones to make every life decision based on the best interest of the UFC, make him the UFC president.
:goodposting: Jones is an undefeated champion (his dq "loss" doesn't count, no one has beaten him) who's perfect record is important to his draw. He trained months for Henderson, not a southpaw like sonnen.Of course a bunch of fighters are going to want a shot at the champ on 8 days notice, they have nothing to lose while jones has everything to lose.It's not jones failt his opponent got hurt so close to figh time and he'll be fighting 3 weeks later.This is a total PR move by the UFC to drum up interest after a bunch of ####ty cards.
 
Nice find by the guys at middleeasy.com here. Gem of Jon Jones saying he would "take a fight with Chael Sonnen in a heartbeat" just 6 days ago:

http://www.middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8873:in-this-clip-jon-jones-said-he-would-take-a-fight-with-chael-sonnen-just-six-days-before-turning-it-down&catid=34:organizations

Nice job Champ!

I do love the piling on Jon Jones from almost everybody. I read a nice clip earlier about Rhonda Rousey saying the champ should step uop and fight when ever asked too.

ETA: Is this you Balco?: http://www.middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8868:say-hello-to-the-angriest-ufc-fan-in-the-history-of-the-world&catid=34:organizations :lmao: Have to love this guy's enthusiasm

 
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Pretty cool to see that Galvao kid win after promising his dying mother he would become the champ.

Sold almost no sponder space on his flag or anything, just a picture of his mom. Glad he won

 
Nice find by the guys at middleeasy.com here. Gem of Jon Jones saying he would "take a fight with Chael Sonnen in a heartbeat" just 6 days ago:

http://www.middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8873:in-this-clip-jon-jones-said-he-would-take-a-fight-with-chael-sonnen-just-six-days-before-turning-it-down&catid=34:organizations

Nice job Champ!

I do love the piling on Jon Jones from almost everybody. I read a nice clip earlier about Rhonda Rousey saying the champ should step uop and fight when ever asked too.

ETA: Is this you Balco?: http://www.middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8868:say-hello-to-the-angriest-ufc-fan-in-the-history-of-the-world&catid=34:organizations :lmao: Have to love this guy's enthusiasm
:lmao: Not quite to his level, but pretty steamed. I was looking forward to watching the fights. I have been to plenty of live UFC events when the original main event was scrapped, but to cancel the whole card??? Stupid. I still stand by my position that Jon Jones is a joke. And Dana should be ashamed for canceling the card. I am still going to Vegas, but I usually center my 1-2 trips a year around UFC events. If I knew this card was going to be canceled, I would have made plans to go the the UFC New Years card again. Or if no UFC I would have gone two weeks from now for the start of NFL. The one positive is there will be plenty of College Football games Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. With MLB thrown in.

 
Nice find by the guys at middleeasy.com here. Gem of Jon Jones saying he would "take a fight with Chael Sonnen in a heartbeat" just 6 days ago:

http://www.middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8873:in-this-clip-jon-jones-said-he-would-take-a-fight-with-chael-sonnen-just-six-days-before-turning-it-down&catid=34:organizations

Nice job Champ!

I do love the piling on Jon Jones from almost everybody. I read a nice clip earlier about Rhonda Rousey saying the champ should step uop and fight when ever asked too.

ETA: Is this you Balco?: http://www.middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8868:say-hello-to-the-angriest-ufc-fan-in-the-history-of-the-world&catid=34:organizations :lmao: Have to love this guy's enthusiasm
:lmao: Not quite to his level, but pretty steamed. I was looking forward to watching the fights. I have been to plenty of live UFC events when the original main event was scrapped, but to cancel the whole card??? Stupid. I still stand by my position that Jon Jones is a joke. And Dana should be ashamed for canceling the card. I am still going to Vegas, but I usually center my 1-2 trips a year around UFC events. If I knew this card was going to be canceled, I would have made plans to go the the UFC New Years card again. Or if no UFC I would have gone two weeks from now for the start of NFL. The one positive is there will be plenty of College Football games Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. With MLB thrown in.
I have to think that you will run into a lot of people there in the same situation with having tickets to go to Vegas. Could be a good time, you may get to hear some good "F Jon Jones" chants
 
It just keeps going.

Jon Jones has come under furious fire today for turning down a fight with Chael Sonnen and UFC 151.

Jones tweeted a relevant message back in May, 2010 after reportedly turning down a fight with Antonio Rogerio Nogueira.

Jon Bones Jones ‏@JonnyBones

Just to clear the record i've never turn down a mma fight against anyone and never will..
 
It's not the fighter he's turning down, it's the 8 days notice :shrug:
Yup, UFC is trying to use WWF marketing and make Jones a bad guy. The recent lame cards has lost fans and making a huge drama with the most exciting fighter in the sport will catch a lot of interest.UFC 152 is going to bring in huge money, a lot more then UFC 151 would have brought in coming off a string of ripoff cards.I was losing interest and this got my attention. I'll be buying the next PPV whereas I had no plans to order the sept 1 event.Dana White is a great promoter.
 
Jesus, Travis Wiuff is one mean looking dude
And may be the biggest 205 lb man I have ever seen
I'm glad he is still with Bellator, and am interested to see what they can do with him when they get to Spike. I know there was talk about bellator having some TV show on Spike too, not sure what it would be but they have some good stories on that roster
:shock: Well, I guess we move on to the net LHW in Bellator
 

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