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I'm surprised how cute some of the women MMAers are. I don't think it would draw a cute crowd but also just the beating the face could take.
It helps that they are normal sized (ie not the beasts in the WNBA) and that they are in tip top shape. Unless they are complete dogs, a great body and decent make up(note how much different they look during a fight and then later with make up) usually makes for a nice total package.

 
I'm surprised how cute some of the women MMAers are. I don't think it would draw a cute crowd but also just the beating the face could take.

What you guys think of Stann retiring?
makes sense for Stann, he has a lot of love from a lot of people. His whole marine thing has parlayed him into a lot of things, i heard he will be on one of the Fox Sports CFB shows, and i'm sure they'll keep him on the other stuff. he has himself in a nice position that he has good options. And it makes sense for him to retire, he was not going to improve significantly enough to compete for the belt. I figured after his fight with Wandy that he may retire, that is a great fight to leave on, even if it is a loss

 
funniest tidbit of news i have seen lately is that Tito is talking about a comeback, likely through Bellator. I like that Bellator is turning into the old man league. It won't be bad idea if they go that route a bit, unless they let guys go too long like they did with Babalu

 
funniest tidbit of news i have seen lately is that Tito is talking about a comeback, likely through Bellator. I like that Bellator is turning into the old man league. It won't be bad idea if they go that route a bit, unless they let guys go too long like they did with Babalu
Tito vs Rampage :moneybag:

 
funniest tidbit of news i have seen lately is that Tito is talking about a comeback, likely through Bellator. I like that Bellator is turning into the old man league. It won't be bad idea if they go that route a bit, unless they let guys go too long like they did with Babalu
Bellator becoming to Spike to what TNA wrestling is to Spike. Littered with (overpaid) old men well past their primes.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
funniest tidbit of news i have seen lately is that Tito is talking about a comeback, likely through Bellator. I like that Bellator is turning into the old man league. It won't be bad idea if they go that route a bit, unless they let guys go too long like they did with Babalu
Bellator becoming to Spike to what TNA wrestling is to Spike. Littered with (overpaid) old men well past their primes.
Sadly, it works for me. The most interesting qualifying fight for me in Fight Master was the one with Joe Riggs of all people.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
funniest tidbit of news i have seen lately is that Tito is talking about a comeback, likely through Bellator. I like that Bellator is turning into the old man league. It won't be bad idea if they go that route a bit, unless they let guys go too long like they did with Babalu
Bellator becoming to Spike to what TNA wrestling is to Spike. Littered with (overpaid) old men well past their primes.
Sadly, it works for me. The most interesting qualifying fight for me in Fight Master was the one with Joe Riggs of all people.
Agreed, there's nothing wrong with it. They aren't getting the top tier fighters to defect.

Guys like Rampage and Tito (though long long long past their primes) at least have MMA fans talking about Bellator.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
funniest tidbit of news i have seen lately is that Tito is talking about a comeback, likely through Bellator. I like that Bellator is turning into the old man league. It won't be bad idea if they go that route a bit, unless they let guys go too long like they did with Babalu
Bellator becoming to Spike to what TNA wrestling is to Spike. Littered with (overpaid) old men well past their primes.
Sadly, it works for me. The most interesting qualifying fight for me in Fight Master was the one with Joe Riggs of all people.
Agreed, there's nothing wrong with it. They aren't getting the top tier fighters to defect.

Guys like Rampage and Tito (though long long long past their primes) at least have MMA fans talking about Bellator.
Almost a necessary evil. They can't produce their own stars if no one is watching. Rampage and Tito will draw ratings which can only help their younger fighters.

 
Bellator = WCW
That all depends what time frame.

During the early to mid NWO run (mid to late 90's), WCW clearly grew bigger than the WWF, measured via buy rates, attendance and tv ratings during the Monday Night wars.

It is pretty clear that Bellator is no where near UFC right now. It would have to go on a run of epic proportions and sign some of the biggest in their prime names, or see the UFC drop dramatically, to measure up to the WCW comparison of the late 90's

 
Bellator = WCW
That all depends what time frame.

During the early to mid NWO run (mid to late 90's), WCW clearly grew bigger than the WWF, measured via buy rates, attendance and tv ratings during the Monday Night wars.

It is pretty clear that Bellator is no where near UFC right now. It would have to go on a run of epic proportions and sign some of the biggest in their prime names, or see the UFC drop dramatically, to measure up to the WCW comparison of the late 90's
You could say they're WCW right around the time the torch was passed to Eric Bischoff, who started signing WWF guys like Savage and Duggan.

 
Bellator = WCW
That all depends what time frame.

During the early to mid NWO run (mid to late 90's), WCW clearly grew bigger than the WWF, measured via buy rates, attendance and tv ratings during the Monday Night wars.

It is pretty clear that Bellator is no where near UFC right now. It would have to go on a run of epic proportions and sign some of the biggest in their prime names, or see the UFC drop dramatically, to measure up to the WCW comparison of the late 90's
You could say they're WCW right around the time the torch was passed to Eric Bischoff, who started signing WWF guys like Savage and Duggan.
Kind of but the analogy will always struggle for me because of Flair and Sting, who were both in WCW at the time Bisc got the torch in 1993-1994 time frame. You are talking about some of the greatest still in their prime talents, of all time, which Bellator does not have right now imo.

 
Bellator = WCW
That all depends what time frame.

During the early to mid NWO run (mid to late 90's), WCW clearly grew bigger than the WWF, measured via buy rates, attendance and tv ratings during the Monday Night wars.

It is pretty clear that Bellator is no where near UFC right now. It would have to go on a run of epic proportions and sign some of the biggest in their prime names, or see the UFC drop dramatically, to measure up to the WCW comparison of the late 90's
You could say they're WCW right around the time the torch was passed to Eric Bischoff, who started signing WWF guys like Savage and Duggan.
Kind of but the analogy will always struggle for me because of Flair and Sting, who were both in WCW at the time Bisc got the torch in 1993-1994 time frame. You are talking about some of the greatest still in their prime talents, of all time, which Bellator does not have right now imo.
Yeah, this is a real tough analogy to try and pull off. In all honesty, Bellator will never get to the UFC's level. They may be able to close the gap, but will always be a level below the UFC .I can't imagine we will see any instances where a quality fighter will choose Bellator over the UFC. All the guys in Bellator, except probably King Mo, would choose the UFC over Bellator if they had a choice. Well Rampage probably wouldn't, but nobody should really want Rampage. King Mo is probably the only guy that got a better deal at bellator then what the UFC was offerring

 
What is Invicta? All girls?
Yup, they are a well run organization that have kind of set themselves up as a feeder for the UFC. I haven't seen a card from start to finish but thy have some good fights. I think they have a working relationship to help promote women's mma too, but they have better cards then some of the lower end shows

 
Yeah that is pretty crazy, I guess Nate is what 27 or 26. Speaking of Nate, I wonder who he is scheduled to fight next. Haven't heard anything about him ever since he got whacked with that fine for the pat Healy and carroway thing

I was pretty surprised the other night watching that atrocious fight master show that joe Riggs just turned 30. Also crazy that he has 60 fights too, I wonder if those days are over. Really can't think of many fighters in the UFC with over 35 or 40 fights on their record.

 
For those watching Fight Master.

Are only 15 fighters going into the house? The previews for next week mentioned the full 16, but as far as I can tell there are only 15 fighters who picked a coach due to Andy Uhrich's cut and subsequent removal from the competition.

I think Shamrock only has 3 fighters.

I also don't get why they did not have an alternate ready for the Riggs fight. Seemed like a very basic thing to prepare for.

 
For those watching Fight Master.

Are only 15 fighters going into the house? The previews for next week mentioned the full 16, but as far as I can tell there are only 15 fighters who picked a coach due to Andy Uhrich's cut and subsequent removal from the competition.

I think Shamrock only has 3 fighters.

I also don't get why they did not have an alternate ready for the Riggs fight. Seemed like a very basic thing to prepare for.
The question that i need to figure out is why would anybody in their right mind choose Warren or Shamrock over Greg Jackson. The way they edited that just seemed insane to me, it made no sense what so ever. And I am not sure how many fighters are going in. I know before the show they were emphasizing that it was different then TUF because the guys weren't forced to live in the same house, so i am not sure what they do now.

And it appears that TJ Grant got hurt, and Anthony Pettis will step in for him against Bendo. Shame because i wanted to see grant fight Bendo, and i was absolutely drooling at the possible Pettis-Aldo fight. But seeing Pettis-Bendo II will be fun, I hope Pettis wins but something tells me that Bendo may have grown too much since joining the UFC for him.

 
For those watching Fight Master.

Are only 15 fighters going into the house? The previews for next week mentioned the full 16, but as far as I can tell there are only 15 fighters who picked a coach due to Andy Uhrich's cut and subsequent removal from the competition.

I think Shamrock only has 3 fighters.

I also don't get why they did not have an alternate ready for the Riggs fight. Seemed like a very basic thing to prepare for.
The question that i need to figure out is why would anybody in their right mind choose Warren or Shamrock over Greg Jackson. The way they edited that just seemed insane to me, it made no sense what so ever. And I am not sure how many fighters are going in. I know before the show they were emphasizing that it was different then TUF because the guys weren't forced to live in the same house, so i am not sure what they do now.

And it appears that TJ Grant got hurt, and Anthony Pettis will step in for him against Bendo. Shame because i wanted to see grant fight Bendo, and i was absolutely drooling at the possible Pettis-Aldo fight. But seeing Pettis-Bendo II will be fun, I hope Pettis wins but something tells me that Bendo may have grown too much since joining the UFC for him.
Pettis gets a hometown crowd too.

 
So I was browsing the Euro papers looking for soccer news and ran into this:

http://www.thefix.com/content/ufc-veteran-fighter-jailed-drug-trafficking91803

A former UFC cage fighter who earned more than $150,000 per year on the mixed martial arts (MMA) circuit has been sentenced to 13 years in prison for drug trafficking. Paul Kelly, 28, was arrested in Liverpool, England along with his childhood friend Christopher St John McGirr, after police surveillance caught McGirr dealing drugs. Police later found more than $150,000 worth of heroin in their courier's car seat and it was revealed that the two had been running a major heroin ring.
:shock:

 
So I was browsing the Euro papers looking for soccer news and ran into this:

http://www.thefix.com/content/ufc-veteran-fighter-jailed-drug-trafficking91803

A former UFC cage fighter who earned more than $150,000 per year on the mixed martial arts (MMA) circuit has been sentenced to 13 years in prison for drug trafficking. Paul Kelly, 28, was arrested in Liverpool, England along with his childhood friend Christopher St John McGirr, after police surveillance caught McGirr dealing drugs. Police later found more than $150,000 worth of heroin in their courier's car seat and it was revealed that the two had been running a major heroin ring.
:shock:
yeah, there have been a couple of strange stories out there that have luckily not damaged MMA at all. The Josh Rosenthal thing was pretty crazy, Tim Crodeur had a pretty bad one recently too. I still am amazed with how Rampage's "rampage" just went away and didn't hurt him at all. I think his excuse was energy drinks or something

 
For those watching Fight Master.

Are only 15 fighters going into the house? The previews for next week mentioned the full 16, but as far as I can tell there are only 15 fighters who picked a coach due to Andy Uhrich's cut and subsequent removal from the competition.

I think Shamrock only has 3 fighters.

I also don't get why they did not have an alternate ready for the Riggs fight. Seemed like a very basic thing to prepare for.
The question that i need to figure out is why would anybody in their right mind choose Warren or Shamrock over Greg Jackson. The way they edited that just seemed insane to me, it made no sense what so ever. ..
I have read multiple interpretations

1) slickly edited to not make Warren look useless

2) there might have been monetary incentive for fighters to pick Warren or Shamrock

3) they may have played it up with the fighters that Jackson would not be around full time (which if you noticed many fighters asked about).

 
UFC 168, now with more. They did make the Silva-Weidman rematch the main event but rather than bump Rousey-Tate they made it the co-main.

 
For those watching Fight Master.

Are only 15 fighters going into the house? The previews for next week mentioned the full 16, but as far as I can tell there are only 15 fighters who picked a coach due to Andy Uhrich's cut and subsequent removal from the competition.

I think Shamrock only has 3 fighters.

I also don't get why they did not have an alternate ready for the Riggs fight. Seemed like a very basic thing to prepare for.
The question that i need to figure out is why would anybody in their right mind choose Warren or Shamrock over Greg Jackson. The way they edited that just seemed insane to me, it made no sense what so ever. ..
I have read multiple interpretations

1) slickly edited to not make Warren look useless

2) there might have been monetary incentive for fighters to pick Warren or Shamrock

3) they may have played it up with the fighters that Jackson would not be around full time (which if you noticed many fighters asked about).
I think it is ego (with the fighters), Warren and Shamrock has no shame kissing butt to the ones the wanted, Randy and Greg were just more reserved.

 
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I have not been a boxing fan since the hey days of the 80's and even then my news source was limited to a hopeful Sports Illustrated article every couple of issues. As such I really only followed the title fights.

Did boxing ever have as many issues with injuries as MMA does?

I also don't know if I just follow the undercards in the UFC much closer now than I ever did before but it feels like the training injury rate is up significantly over the past 5 years or so.

 
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I have not been a boxing fan since the hey days of the 80's and even then my news source was limited to a hopeful Sports Illustrated article every couple of issues. As such I really only followed the title fights.

Did boxing ever have as many issues with injuries as MMA does?

I also don't know if I just follow the undercards in the UFC much closer now than I ever did before but it feels like the training injury rate is up significantly over the past 5 years or so.
I was pretty much the same as you regarding boxing but I think there was less. They train with bigger gloves and probably do less intense exercises (skipping rope vs flipping tractor tires). Less rolling and diving on the ground probably helps too.

As for the bolded... the injury rate skyrocketed once the UFC got a new insurance policy for all the fighters. Guys no longer had the incentive to fight with a slight injury and began backing out of fights. Here's an article from a year ago that was written a year after the new policy was initiated. Check it :

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1215652-ufc-fighter-insurance-is-it-to-blame-for-the-string-of-injuries

 
One of the probs with UFC training camps is you have all these guys on a card or an upcoming card and they are training against each other. So it can get intense versus going against cannon fodder that isn't going to beat you up. So a guy training for a card is training with other guys training for cards instead of his own personal camp.

That's how I heard it explained once.

 
If you were ever going to bet big on Silva I think this is the time to do it. After this it will either be the same ol Silva or he will take it so seriously the lines will be ridiculous.

 
And it appears that TJ Grant got hurt, and Anthony Pettis will step in for him against Bendo. Shame because i wanted to see grant fight Bendo, and i was absolutely drooling at the possible Pettis-Aldo fight. But seeing Pettis-Bendo II will be fun, I hope Pettis wins but something tells me that Bendo may have grown too much since joining the UFC for him.
What a reversal of fortune there. Really, I'd like to see Pettis fight Aldo or Henderson, Hell I'd like to see him fight Grant too.

 
Thanks Bonesman for the link.

In a semi related question, fighters in the UFC are not in a union are they?
nope. there has been talk about it, but not by many guys. it would help out those near the bottom of the roster, but it would also take away from those guys higher up the food chain. there was a lot of talk before, and that was a big part to why the UFC provided health insurance to it's fighters, and there doesn't seem to be as much of a reason to have a union after that

 
Thanks Bonesman for the link.

In a semi related question, fighters in the UFC are not in a union are they?
nope. there has been talk about it, but not by many guys. it would help out those near the bottom of the roster, but it would also take away from those guys higher up the food chain. there was a lot of talk before, and that was a big part to why the UFC provided health insurance to it's fighters, and there doesn't seem to be as much of a reason to have a union after that
Most team based leagues have unions but it seems many individual based leagues do not (UFC, PGA, ATP, NASCAR, boxing)

That can't be a coincidence but I am unsure why.

 
Thanks Bonesman for the link.

In a semi related question, fighters in the UFC are not in a union are they?
nope. there has been talk about it, but not by many guys. it would help out those near the bottom of the roster, but it would also take away from those guys higher up the food chain. there was a lot of talk before, and that was a big part to why the UFC provided health insurance to it's fighters, and there doesn't seem to be as much of a reason to have a union after that
Most team based leagues have unions but it seems many individual based leagues do not (UFC, PGA, ATP, NASCAR, boxing)

That can't be a coincidence but I am unsure why.
They have associations (PGA, ATP, PBA) but not unions. The associations gives players a united voice and help with issues when dealing with fight commissions (drug testing, rules, etc) but not much more than that. They are independent contractors, not employees, and thus can't unionise.

The UFC pay structure is similar to other individual sports; the top dogs get paid, the bottom tier guys struggle to get by, and the middling guys make a solid living. Of course, those sports make a lot more money than the UFC does so they can pay more on average. Sure, the UFC could loosen the purse strings and pay more, but what business couldn't? Wal-Mart could pay more, McDonalds could pay more, my company could pay me more, yours could have too.

Look at a guy like Andrew Svoboda on the PGA tour. He's play 14 events this year and made $40K. With travel and accommodations (UFC pays their guys for these, PGA does not), this guy is taking a major bath. Should he be complaining that he isn't getting paid like Tiger or a middling golfer? Svoboda also can't get lucky and get a fat bonus check whereas any fighter can land a lucky bomb and get $60k.

Link

It costs a minimum of $110,000 to compete for a year on the PGA Tour—$75,000 on the Nationwide—and there are no guaranteed paydays. Each week the worst-scoring half of the field is eliminated after the second day of the four-day tournament and earns nothing. But players who fail to make the cut are still responsible for their travel expenses and must pay their caddies. (Golfers strike individual deals with caddies, but in general caddies make $1,200 a week, plus a percentage of any winnings: 5% for making the cut, 7% for a top-ten finish and 10% for a victory. Nationwide caddies get the same percentages but are paid $300 less a week.)
The 1st round losers at Wimbeldon only make $3k and of course, they have to pay their own way and accommodations. So if you aren't winning a couple rounds, you're relying solely on sponsorships.

Nascar really doesn't fit with this scenarios as they are 'teams' which are individually owned. The owner of the team pays their driver a salary (not Nascar), then the driver gets a share of race winnings and endorsements. This would be akin to a fighter paying an entrance fee to fight and being supported by backers.

ETA: Good article on the subject

 
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Sensie Steven Segal on what he has been teaching Anderson this fight camp

"About two or three things. I really don't want to tip it. I'm sure this guy's not stupid. It's stuff that, maybe we thought was illegal, that's not illegal, and stuff like that."
This is just getting crazy. If not for all the hype this matchup wouldn't interest me that much. I think Anderson stays on his feet and wins a striking battle like he did Henderson before choking him out. Hendo did great on the ground with Anderson before getting hurt with strikes. Like Chael did, just not as much, and I can't see that happening again. But all the crazy has sure got my attention.
The only thing I can think of regarding the legal/illegal stuff is 12-6 elbows.
Further into the Sensei's interview he says the new things are all from the standing position.Any good articles on Segal's impact on MMA or fighting in general? I don't know much about him besides he trains with Silva, made some movies in the past, and is a black belt at something. Does he work with anyone else in the UFC?
It's a funny question. 95% of people think he is a complete joke in MMA, and yet there are still 5% who think he brings something. He is a multi-black belt in whatever he has studies, but the thought process is that he hasn't done anything for MMA, is riding on the blackhouse guys' coattails, and for some reason the blackhouse guys keep pumping him up
I think the Segal / Blackhouse thing is all shtick.
Confirmed shtick by Damien Maia:

After the loss to Chris Weidman, Anderson Silva's name has been in various public debates. The newest instance of conversation came through Demian Maia. In an interview for the program "Morning Show", of the "Rede TV!" network, the fighter revealed that The Spider never learned even one attack from Seagal.

"This is a lie, its marketing. Like every good actor, these hollywood guys, when he (Seagal) saw Anderson rising, he glued himself to Anderson. He was kind of low, his career was down and this made his career rise again. It worked out because he began to reappear recently. He never taught anything to Anderson" Said Demian

Demian, who already lost to Anderson Silva, said that the subject is treated like a joke in the world of MMA.

"For people in the middle of it, this is a joke. Logically people on the outside believe it, he wants to glue his image to him because for him its a good move" said Demian

During his participation on the program, Demian guaranteed that he did not root against The Spider.

"I was not rooting against him during this fight, sincerely, I have already rooted against him many times, but during this fight I did not, because we already lost one belt which was Cigano's, a good friend of mine in December then Brazil ended up losing another one. This motivated my patriotism a little bit, I was not rooting against him" he finished
 
Look at a guy like Andrew Svoboda on the PGA tour. He's play 14 events this year and made $40K. With travel and accommodations (UFC pays their guys for these, PGA does not), this guy is taking a major bath. Should he be complaining that he isn't getting paid like Tiger or a middling golfer? Svoboda also can't get lucky and get a fat bonus check whereas any fighter can land a lucky bomb and get $60k.
I get some of what you're saying and it's tough to compare across multiple sports, but a guy like Andrew Svoboda can absolutely get "lucky and get a fat bonus" thought it's called winning or placing extremely high in an event. He just likely doesn't do that, hence why he took home just $40K.

I don't have a huge problem with how the UFC pays its fighters. As others have said, if the pay is not enough for someone then they're free to find a new profession where they can earn more. But the lower level fighters are definitely limited in what they can make until they string together enough consecutive wins and/or have the personality that drives the UFC audience to want to see them, which then drives the UFC to want to compensate them for such a rise.

 
Look at a guy like Andrew Svoboda on the PGA tour. He's play 14 events this year and made $40K. With travel and accommodations (UFC pays their guys for these, PGA does not), this guy is taking a major bath. Should he be complaining that he isn't getting paid like Tiger or a middling golfer? Svoboda also can't get lucky and get a fat bonus check whereas any fighter can land a lucky bomb and get $60k.
I get some of what you're saying and it's tough to compare across multiple sports, but a guy like Andrew Svoboda can absolutely get "lucky and get a fat bonus" thought it's called winning or placing extremely high in an event. He just likely doesn't do that, hence why he took home just $40K.
Yeah, pga and ufc are completely different models for salaries (although they match closer for sponsorships). In PGA you are paid exactly what you are worth at the time of the given event. Do well and get paid, do poorly and don't get paid.

UFC is more based on what you did in the past than what you do on the night of the given event.

 
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Look at a guy like Andrew Svoboda on the PGA tour. He's play 14 events this year and made $40K. With travel and accommodations (UFC pays their guys for these, PGA does not), this guy is taking a major bath. Should he be complaining that he isn't getting paid like Tiger or a middling golfer? Svoboda also can't get lucky and get a fat bonus check whereas any fighter can land a lucky bomb and get $60k.
I get some of what you're saying and it's tough to compare across multiple sports, but a guy like Andrew Svoboda can absolutely get "lucky and get a fat bonus" thought it's called winning or placing extremely high in an event. He just likely doesn't do that, hence why he took home just $40K.

I don't have a huge problem with how the UFC pays its fighters. As others have said, if the pay is not enough for someone then they're free to find a new profession where they can earn more. But the lower level fighters are definitely limited in what they can make until they string together enough consecutive wins and/or have the personality that drives the UFC audience to want to see them, which then drives the UFC to want to compensate them for such a rise.
Svoboda has to best 100+ competitors over 4 days whereas a UFC fighter can land a single punch and receive a big payday (see: Serra, Matt). There is little luck involved for Svoboda to get paid.

 

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