modogg
Footballguy
yeah, i thought i heard they may put him on the February card. just a real crappy situation for Cruz, hope he is able to come back and look close to what he was before the injury
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Penn vs Edgar for the The Ultimate Fighter 19 coaches. They will fight at feather weight at the end of the season. Season starts in April 2014.
Penn at 145? That is a decent cut at his age.
The original plan was Uriah vs Edgar but they could not agree on weight class.
Penn at 145? That is a decent cut at his age.
The original plan was Uriah vs Edgar but they could not agree on weight class.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Comments on tonights TUF episode
*Rousey is either a great actress or missing something up top. Miesha looks and sounds so normal compared to her
*I find it interesting that in still pics, Rousey looks more attractive than Tate, but when the camera is rolling Tate looks nicer
*Another great fight between the two #1 picks. I feel like 90% of the women's fights I have seen have been really fun. I know long time fans know a lot about Shana, but I can't see how a veteran of 11 years in the sport committed the mistake of not respecting her opponent. So dumb. I still think though she will get on a UFC prelim card some time in the next 6 months and get her shot.
*Rousey is either a great actress or missing something up top. Miesha looks and sounds so normal compared to her
*I find it interesting that in still pics, Rousey looks more attractive than Tate, but when the camera is rolling Tate looks nicer
*Another great fight between the two #1 picks. I feel like 90% of the women's fights I have seen have been really fun. I know long time fans know a lot about Shana, but I can't see how a veteran of 11 years in the sport committed the mistake of not respecting her opponent. So dumb. I still think though she will get on a UFC prelim card some time in the next 6 months and get her shot.
3C's
Footballguy
but but, they edited it to make Rousey look bad!
And even in stills, Tate is way hotter.
So happy Rousey's awesome plan to pit #1's backfired. Even better when her girl was so disrespectful. Even in defeat. And Julianna is nice to look at.
Hodor
Footballguy
Yeah was mostly just the women saying no thanks, which hopefully means that is done with.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I enjoyed it but I have the same problem with this show as I do with all other "reality" shows. I dont like how they edit them to steer your perceptions and/or emotions.
After watching 30 mins about how good and experienced Shana was compared to the new girl I was ready to bet the house on the new girl. It is just annoying that most of these shows go for the holy #### moment by editing.
Having said that it was a really good show. I felt bad for the guy with the torn hamstring.
I will now predict that if they keep talking about that guys hurt hand pre fight next week, he will win with a knockout punch.
Mister Martie
Footballguy
I agree. The ham handed set up ruined the "upset."
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
In general I agree with both of you, but from everything I have read about this fight, they had little choice in the editing. There did not appear to be a single person in the house who thought she was going to win. Even Mesha was apologetic saying she never expected Ronda to go after her with her number 1 pick.
On the bus ride home from the fight she supposedly asked everyone in the car and not a single person said they thought she was going to win.
This was as shocking an upset I think as has ever been on the show so the editing really just reflected that.
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Comments on last nights episode
* Cringe worthy scene with Rousey having to call over her coach at the bar like she was seven years old "can you believe he said my striking needs work?" And then the amazon ### bump thing on Caraway at the end, WTF? Good lord she is coming off uglier than I expected and some say it is going to get worse. And this does not appear to be an act like say Koscheck with GSP.
* Is it wrong that I may be falling in love with Roxanne more than any other girl I am not in any way attracted to?
I know this season has not been kind to the female vets but I hope she can pull off one win in the house.
* With the short fight, I guess we were "treated" to more of the high school flirting crap. Holdsworth came off looking like kind of a jerk imo. The level of immaturity in the house has always been ever present since season 1 but it is interesting how the dynamics of the immaturity change when the sexes are mixed.
* Hard to get a read on the fight with the losing fighters hand swollen like an infected bee sting, but Holdsworth did appear to have some very nice snap to his punches.
* Cringe worthy scene with Rousey having to call over her coach at the bar like she was seven years old "can you believe he said my striking needs work?" And then the amazon ### bump thing on Caraway at the end, WTF? Good lord she is coming off uglier than I expected and some say it is going to get worse. And this does not appear to be an act like say Koscheck with GSP.
* Is it wrong that I may be falling in love with Roxanne more than any other girl I am not in any way attracted to?
I know this season has not been kind to the female vets but I hope she can pull off one win in the house.* With the short fight, I guess we were "treated" to more of the high school flirting crap. Holdsworth came off looking like kind of a jerk imo. The level of immaturity in the house has always been ever present since season 1 but it is interesting how the dynamics of the immaturity change when the sexes are mixed.
* Hard to get a read on the fight with the losing fighters hand swollen like an infected bee sting, but Holdsworth did appear to have some very nice snap to his punches.
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modogg
Footballguy
real nice fight lined up for Hall next, Hall vs. Leben for UFC 168. I like that match-up, if Hall can't beat Leben that should be it for Hall, but if he wins, like he should, it's a nice boost for him. Leben will press him and make him fight
modogg
Footballguy
he fights out of Team Alpha Male, so i'm thinking that did help.NewlyRetired said:Comments on last nights episode
* Cringe worthy scene with Rousey having to call over her coach at the bar like she was seven years old "can you believe he said my striking needs work?" And then the amazon ### bump thing on Caraway at the end, WTF? Good lord she is coming off uglier than I expected and some say it is going to get worse. And this does not appear to be an act like say Koscheck with GSP.
* Is it wrong that I may be falling in love with Roxanne more than any other girl I am not in any way attracted to?
* With the short fight, I guess we were "treated" to more of the high school flirting crap. Holdsworth came off looking like kind of a jerk imo. The level of immaturity in the house has always been ever present since season 1 but it is interesting how the dynamics of the immaturity change when the sexes are mixed.
* Hard to get a read on the fight with the losing fighters hand swollen like an infected bee sting, but Holdsworth did appear to have some very nice snap to his punches.
and Roxxi is an easy one to like. you really have to look up her interviews with ariel and stuff from her from years ago. Her personality is infectious and would make anybody a fan of hers
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Wow, the UFC on Fox 9 card coming in December is absolutely loaded for a free night of fights. These are the confirmed fights as of today:
MAIN EVENT
UFC Lightweight Championship
Anthony Pettis 17-2-0
vs
Josh Thomson 20-5-0
MAIN CARD
Carlos Condit 29-7-0
vs
Matt Brown 18-11-0
Michael McDonald 16-2-0
vs
Urijah Faber 29-6-0
Nik Lentz 24-5-2
vs
Chad Mendes 15-1-0
Scott Jorgensen 14-7-0
vs
Ian McCall 12-4-1
Joe Lauzon 22-9-0
vs
Mac Danzig 21-11-1
Edson Barboza 12-1-0
vs
Danny Castillo 16-5-0
Kelvin Gastelum 7-0-0
Vs
Court McGee 16-3-0
MAIN EVENT
UFC Lightweight Championship
Anthony Pettis 17-2-0
vs
Josh Thomson 20-5-0
MAIN CARD
Carlos Condit 29-7-0
vs
Matt Brown 18-11-0
Michael McDonald 16-2-0
vs
Urijah Faber 29-6-0
Nik Lentz 24-5-2
vs
Chad Mendes 15-1-0
Scott Jorgensen 14-7-0
vs
Ian McCall 12-4-1
Joe Lauzon 22-9-0
vs
Mac Danzig 21-11-1
Edson Barboza 12-1-0
vs
Danny Castillo 16-5-0
Kelvin Gastelum 7-0-0
Vs
Court McGee 16-3-0
modogg
Footballguy
Yeah, the UFC has set themselves up pretty good with some nice young guys coming up. I remember when Chuck and some of the old guard left or retired and people thought the UFC was going to decline in popularity significantly. They have some good guys holding over and there are a lot of young guys who are either just starting in the UFC (Thatch, McGregor, a bunch others i can't think off the top of my head) or have begun to step into their own (Matt Brown, Pettis, Johnny Hendricks, etc. etc.).
i also wonder if they feel the current number they have is the cap of guys they can have in the UFC. Their international expansion keeps growing and growing, and i think the latest i heard was the UFC was around 450 fighters or something. Just have to wonder what their max capacity is with that and if they think they have hit a spot where they can't have anymore.
Actually, we can break it down a bit. Let's say the best the UFC can get is 1 card/week. This goes against their idea of having multiple cards going on in different countries around the same time (and they could still be going with this considering Dana just set-up Cung Le as the "Dana White" for China), so maybe the max is significantly more than that. But for this, let's make it simple and say 52 cards a year. I believe we usually see 13 fights per card, maybe 12, so let's say 25 fighters each card. So roughly there are 1300 fighter slots per year, and if we give each fighter 3 fights per year, we would have 433 fighters on our roster. Have to account for injuries, and some of those long-term, so maybe the ideal number is around 450 or so, with about 30-35 fighters who are right on the fringe they can call up and down when needed (like John Doomsday, etc.). But i guess they have a lot of guys who get to the end of their careers, where you don't see 3 fights a year, maybe 1, like Nick Diaz, Rich Franklin, BJ. So I guess you have a fluid roster, that maybe averages to 450 a year, but can get as high as 480 or so if you have a few of these things factoring in.
Sorry for the rant there, but i like to think about random questions for MMA
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modogg
Footballguy
Also, i watched quite a bit of the Bellator event tonight. Have to say i enjoyed it, it was like the old Bellator with out flaunting Rampage, Tito, or guys definitely on the down side of their career. I don't mind the random one's from time to time, but I think they need to not have them as main events or even at the top of the cards (Alexander-Janitor), and I would even be ok if they are simply fights on the card. I like the tournament format, and i think Bellator has taken the right step with their weekly shows to have a few fights on the card for the tournament, but not load it up to over-saturate. I definitely liked the 8 man tournaments better than the 4, but Bellator may be able to save themselves and not self-destruct if they stop worrying about competing with the UFC and jsut do what has worked for them.
One thing that is funny to think about is how Bellator cards used to have tons of crazy submissions and other highlights. I guess maybe that occurred because of lesser talent on the roster so there was more opportunities to try some crazy stuff. Just strange that i can't think of many highlights that stand out over the last year or 2, and the last great fight they had was Eddie-Chandler. The fights on the card tonight though were pretty good, so maybe they just need to keep with not worrying about making superstars like King Mo, etc. (though from a betting perspective i love it. Hit Burley at +900 over Bubba Jenkins tonight
) and worry about letting guys develop and making sure they are scouting the best fighters who are up and coming. I know they tried getting up and coming Russian guys, but maybe look to work with OneFC and share some fighters through that. After Strikeforce died it seems the idea of organizations working together died too, but i would like to see that come back. Maybe once a year they have WSOF vs. bellator cards
One thing that is funny to think about is how Bellator cards used to have tons of crazy submissions and other highlights. I guess maybe that occurred because of lesser talent on the roster so there was more opportunities to try some crazy stuff. Just strange that i can't think of many highlights that stand out over the last year or 2, and the last great fight they had was Eddie-Chandler. The fights on the card tonight though were pretty good, so maybe they just need to keep with not worrying about making superstars like King Mo, etc. (though from a betting perspective i love it. Hit Burley at +900 over Bubba Jenkins tonight
) and worry about letting guys develop and making sure they are scouting the best fighters who are up and coming. I know they tried getting up and coming Russian guys, but maybe look to work with OneFC and share some fighters through that. After Strikeforce died it seems the idea of organizations working together died too, but i would like to see that come back. Maybe once a year they have WSOF vs. bellator cards
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
2 of my bellator favorites fought this week, but it cut off on my DVR.
Here it is on youtube -- Douglas Lima vs Ben Saunders
Here it is on youtube -- Douglas Lima vs Ben Saunders
bonesman
Footballguy
That was her coach, Rousey, all up in her ear. The lady who said she's going to retire undefeated
Was a pretty big fan of her's before the show... but now I can't wait until someone smashes her face in. Hopefully it's that Vera De Milo lookin Peggy chick that she picked.
modogg
Footballguy
it's going to be interesting to see how it turns out for Rousey. Will she get booed for her next fight? will it effect sponsors or other opportunities like movies?That was her coach, Rousey, all up in her ear. The lady who said she's going to retire undefeated
Was a pretty big fan of her's before the show... but now I can't wait until someone smashes her face in. Hopefully it's that Vera De Milo lookin Peggy chick that she picked.
modogg
Footballguy
it means there have been a lot of cards lately, and NFL, etc. shares the spotlight. i think people will still watch, and they may lose some PPV buys because of this, but probably people who have the resources and would buy it will still do so. for me, there are a lot of good cards this fall. money is tight, so it's a no buy. i don't think the card is particularly watered down or anything, but i do think the Fox deal will spread the cards a little thinner as it goes on.
i also think a big factor is the main card isn't particularly competitive. Can't see jones losing, and i'm a Wineland fan but same thing there. Phillipou-Carmont and Meathead-Schaub are fights i will certainly watch and enjoy, but don't excite me enough to fell i have to see them live and pay for them
Sebowski
Footballguy
It is still arguably the UFC's biggest star in a ppv fight. I guess this ends the argument. Even though Jones is a much more exciting fighter, he isn't on GSP's planet yet for star value. I think Gusty has a shot, but I'm probably clouded by just wanting him to take the upset.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
They want Rousey to be a heel anyway. Dana already called her a female Diaz brother some months back. I doubt it will end badly for her.modogg said:it's going to be interesting to see how it turns out for Rousey. Will she get booed for her next fight? will it effect sponsors or other opportunities like movies?bonesman said:That was her coach, Rousey, all up in her ear. The lady who said she's going to retire undefeated
Was a pretty big fan of her's before the show... but now I can't wait until someone smashes her face in. Hopefully it's that Vera De Milo lookin Peggy chick that she picked.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I'm watching the prelims now. Great 2nd fight.
I paid for Henderson v Pettis because that was a premier fight. Jones v Sonnen or Jones v Gustafsson isn't going to get me to open my wallet. Not really Jon's fault that LHW is empty of talent right now though.
I'll pay for Jones v Cormier, but I'm not sure if the average fan sees that as a great fight.
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Surprised Healy is such an underdog here.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
MikeIke
Footballguy
It's asking me to download an HD player and won't let me close it out like most ads when I try to watch online. Is this a legit download?
EYLive
Footballguy
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
a lot of times they have a 30s timer before you can close them.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Yeah I can never find the X on those new ads either.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Lately, I've been getting a small green box. I just click the box and 9 times out of 10, it goes away no harm no foul. The other times it tries to open a popup, which I quickly close. 
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
MikeIke
Footballguy
He was a complete tool on TUF and nothing I've seen since then has led me to believe otherwise. I've just never liked him. Personal preference, I guess.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Not sure I like that stoppage.
MikeIke
Footballguy
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got_nugs
Footballguy
Thinking back on what Bigfoot Silva laid out last fight and the fight continued.....this was a kiss on the cheek.
Way too early.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Well, that was better than expected.
modogg
Footballguy
i didn't think he had much of one at all, but i think he won that 1st round. i hope Gus can keep it up
