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I'm not so sure. And I also don't think Lesnar was as hurt as he seemed when watching it live. No more than a dozen punches actually hit him in the face as most were blocked by his forearms. Plus, when he did get off the mat, he popped up like a middleweight. He had clearly recovered fully from the initial barrage from Carwin. Regardless, the big concerns for Lesnar were Carwin's power, Lesnar returning from a 50-pound weight loss due to illness, and Lesnar's ring rust. While that power is still there, the illness and the rust are no longer factors, and Lesnar's game is evolving rapidly. He's simply better than Carwin now and will continue to be better.No. 16 said:
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
A shot at what?chet said:
chet
Footballguy
A shot at the "Undisputed Heavyweight Champion" of the world, Brock Lesnar. That's what they called him after his victory on Sat night.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
That fight will never happen.
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No. 16
Footballguy
Yah let's see how Brock looks in his next fight or two before a re-match. Unless Fedor or Overeem comes to UFC Brock should face Lesnar in two fights.
No. 16
Footballguy
What has Fedor done lately to deserve a shot?
modogg
Footballguy
I'm not so sure, the chance of Fedor in the UFC is looking better than it did a month ago. I feel like Charlie Brown kicking a football with Lucy holding it even thinking it is possible, but recent news about M-1 has not been so good for them. I read an article today that M-1 would not insist on co-promoting if they were to negotiate again:http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com...4Cliff Clavin said:
rganizations, but honestly I don't think you can trust those guys for much of anything. One catch i could see is if Fedor beats Overeem I think Strikeforce has a champion clause that binds them to the organization for a bit. Seeing how Fedor is not cheap for Strikeforce, and he has shown to not be a ratings magnet, I do not think Strikeforce will try to hard to re-sign him. They could have him fight Werdum again, but then what? Strikeforce would be smart to not waste any more money with Fedor and try to continue building up their MW or light Heavyweight divisions that already have a good amount of talent. Take an approach like WEC and focus on only 2-3 weightclasses. It would depend if Fedor has intentions to retire or not, but I could see M-1 wanting Fedor in the UFC to gain some momentum that may have been loss by the Werdum loss. Who knows what those "Crazy Russians" are thinking, but Fedor's options are not as great as they were when he was a free agent before. A good chance is signing with Dream, but the rumors about how they pay their fighters can not be something that M-1 would be craving to get into. And I think Dana is just putting up a smoke screen at this point saying he isn't interested in Fedor anymore. of course they would love to bring him in, they brought in James Toney and Kimbo already.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
tend to agree with modogg. Fedors loss left the ruskie mafioso with much, much less bargaining power. Not saying it will happen, but I think it's more likely now than it has ever been.
modogg
Footballguy
I just put some money on Brock with I guess the line for Brock and Cain releasing today:
Brock -130
Cain - (even)
Here is hoping they do make this fight soon, like UFC 119 or somewhere around there. My acct. balance wasn't too happy with taking some funds and putting in for a long wait, but I have to think this line will not stay here for too long.
Brock -130
Cain - (even)
Here is hoping they do make this fight soon, like UFC 119 or somewhere around there. My acct. balance wasn't too happy with taking some funds and putting in for a long wait, but I have to think this line will not stay here for too long.
hooter311
Footballguy
That's a great line for Brock.Tailing you Mo, I'm in large at -135 on Brock. Let's hope this fight happens before November!
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No. 16
Footballguy
Wow really? -130 only?Are they seeing something I'm missing?
hooter311
Footballguy
Yeah, I dunno, Cain had plenty of doubters before knocking out Nog. I was on Nog that night, but I think his brain may have been scrambled by years of abuse and finally Mir's knockout.Really think the line should and will be closer to -180 or more by fight night.
I love me some Big Nog, but the dude is incredibly slow and simply can't hang with the big boys anymore. Cain's win over him doesn't really impress me at all. Dude looked as quick as Jose Aldo in comparison to Nog - not a surprise. The only worry was whether Cain would let himself get subbed when he took it to the ground. Turns out it didn't last long enough for that to be a concern.I would like to see Big Nog / Cro Cop though. That would be the sweetness.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
He could very well join the UFC after his next fight. So at a minimum, we'd see his first UFC fight about February-ish. I doubt Dana would give him a title shot right away so he'd have to get through Carwin/Cain/dos Santos/Mir first. If he wins that fight (I don't think he would), at best we'd be looking at the middle of next summer. To many things would have to go right for him to fight Lesnar... of course is Lesnar loses to Cain, and Fedor joins, it could happen in early 2011 I guess.I'm not so sure, the chance of Fedor in the UFC is looking better than it did a month ago. I feel like Charlie Brown kicking a football with Lucy holding it even thinking it is possible, but recent news about M-1 has not been so good for them. I read an article today that M-1 would not insist on co-promoting if they were to negotiate again:http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com...4Cliff Clavin said:
, but honestly I don't think you can trust those guys for much of anything. One catch i could see is if Fedor beats Overeem I think Strikeforce has a champion clause that binds them to the organization for a bit. Seeing how Fedor is not cheap for Strikeforce, and he has shown to not be a ratings magnet, I do not think Strikeforce will try to hard to re-sign him. They could have him fight Werdum again, but then what? Strikeforce would be smart to not waste any more money with Fedor and try to continue building up their MW or light Heavyweight divisions that already have a good amount of talent. Take an approach like WEC and focus on only 2-3 weightclasses. It would depend if Fedor has intentions to retire or not, but I could see M-1 wanting Fedor in the UFC to gain some momentum that may have been loss by the Werdum loss. Who knows what those "Crazy Russians" are thinking, but Fedor's options are not as great as they were when he was a free agent before. A good chance is signing with Dream, but the rumors about how they pay their fighters can not be something that M-1 would be craving to get into. And I think Dana is just putting up a smoke screen at this point saying he isn't interested in Fedor anymore. of course they would love to bring him in, they brought in James Toney and Kimbo already.
hooter311
Footballguy
Never going to happen.
Fedor would be taking a pay cut, not have control of who he fights, and be up against superior competition.
There just isn't much to gain for him by joining. I have no doubt that Dana would sign him in a heartbeat if he was interested though, I just don't see that interest ever happening, not at his age and when he already has his legacy in place.
Fedor would be taking a pay cut, not have control of who he fights, and be up against superior competition.
There just isn't much to gain for him by joining. I have no doubt that Dana would sign him in a heartbeat if he was interested though, I just don't see that interest ever happening, not at his age and when he already has his legacy in place.
modogg
Footballguy
rumor has it that UFC 119 will be Big Nog vs Mir II and the co-main event is Lil Nog-Bader.
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I don't think Fedor wants to go to the UFC. He simply doesn't care enough about his career or legacy to do so. Very sure that he views MMA as a job and that is all.
Vadim and the M-1 guys may try to get him to go to the UFC, but given what Dana White has said and done in the past, I fully understand Fedor not wanting to work for him.
Vadim and the M-1 guys may try to get him to go to the UFC, but given what Dana White has said and done in the past, I fully understand Fedor not wanting to work for him.
hooter311
Footballguy
That would be a sweet tag team match, but I have a feeling that night is going to be a bad night to be a Nog.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
In non-UFC news, am I crazy is Kawajiri at -120 a great deal for Dream 15 on Saturday?
hooter311
Footballguy
I was analyzing this card last night, he's at -115 on sportsbook, I definitely like his chances.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Curious to hear thoghts on the JZ-Kikuno fight as well.
Yeah, I like him too. He hasn't lost via submission since 2005, and that's obviously the only path for Aoki to win. Of course, Aoki is better at submissions than anyone else Kawajiri has faced, but I think he'll have no problem following the Melendez blueprint and win this fight.
hooter311
Footballguy
Here are my official Dream 15 bets:
(* are units bet for + or to win for -)
***** Amoussou -130
** Hata +160
* O'Brien +375
Is there anything I'm missing on this Amoussou/Nakamura fight? So many of these smaller Japanese fighters don't seem to be developing their game at all and have been fighting the same way the last 4 or 5 years. Amoussou is an animal and is going to take this fight right to Naka. He throws everything and the kitchen sink at his opponents and has every way in the book to beat Naka.
(* are units bet for + or to win for -)
***** Amoussou -130
** Hata +160
* O'Brien +375
Is there anything I'm missing on this Amoussou/Nakamura fight? So many of these smaller Japanese fighters don't seem to be developing their game at all and have been fighting the same way the last 4 or 5 years. Amoussou is an animal and is going to take this fight right to Naka. He throws everything and the kitchen sink at his opponents and has every way in the book to beat Naka.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
What is the line on Manhoef this weekend?
modogg
Footballguy
-550, a bit out of my range. I have plays on Kawajiri -115 - 1 unitKikuno +160 - .5 unityoung Sam Jung +1100 - .15 unit (i took this on pure principal. I think Jung has a chance to win this 5% of the time over Omigawa which is better than the odds)Ishida -200 - .65 unit
sheerterror
Footballguy
Yes, the fact that it's in Japan and you can never, ever truly be sure whether or not the fight will or won't be a work. But, I agree with your assessment of the fight, and will likely be on Amoussou as well.I played Kikuno at +190 for a unit also.hooter311 said:
modogg
Footballguy
Well, fight is later than i hoped it would be, but they just confirmed it for UFC 121, October 23rd. It is before November, but I was hoping for one of the September cards. Pretty crazy to think the UFC has 5 shows over the next 2 months (UFC on Vs., 117, 118, 119, 120). Actually i am sure there is a fight night for the new TUF. At least the line is moving, Brock is -150, Cain is +120. i do think it will get around -200, so arbing out if needed will be an option, which is always nice to have
modogg
Footballguy
hmm, with both of you guys on Amoussou, i may have to tail along. I like Nakamura and I think he can win a decision if he can avoid getting KO'd with-in the first few minutes of the fight, but you both sound like you like it so i may give it a shot
zander_s
Footballguy
Seriously? Man, i haven't been paying enough attention. damn this working!!!
zander_s
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
Well, I was a little off, but here is what we have coming up:UFC on Versus 2: Jones vs. Matyushenko - Aug 01, 2010Seriously? Man, i haven't been paying enough attention. damn this working!!!
UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen - Aug 07, 2010
Bellator Fighting Championships 24 - Aug 12, 2010
WEC 50: Cruz vs. Benavidez - Aug 18, 2010
Bellator Fighting Championships 25 - Aug 19, 2010
Strikeforce: Houston - Aug 21, 2010
UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn II - Aug 28, 2010
"The Ultimate Fighter 12" debut - Sep 15, 2010
UFC Fight Night 22 - Sep 15, 2010
UFC 119 in Indianapolis - Sep 25, 2010
WEC 51 - Sep 30, 2010
WEC 52 - Oct 13, 2010
UFC 120 in London - Oct 16, 2010
UFC 121 in Anaheim - Oct 23, 2010
there are others like Strikeforce and Dream, but the list was getting long
modogg
Footballguy
How the heck is that. i saw somehere that Jake showed up at 226 to the weigh-ins. Nothing like coming 21 pounds overweight. what a strange deal, but i may put $20 on O'Brien now that he is +450
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Unless the rest of the fights on that card absolutely rock, its not that interesting a card for me.
No. 16
Footballguy
zander_s
Footballguy
Damn i want a couple tickets to this!! Right down the freeway and it's Brock vs Cain?? I'm searching and can't find them avail yet!!Well, I was a little off, but here is what we have coming up:UFC on Versus 2: Jones vs. Matyushenko - Aug 01, 2010Seriously? Man, i haven't been paying enough attention. damn this working!!!
UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen - Aug 07, 2010
Bellator Fighting Championships 24 - Aug 12, 2010
WEC 50: Cruz vs. Benavidez - Aug 18, 2010
Bellator Fighting Championships 25 - Aug 19, 2010
Strikeforce: Houston - Aug 21, 2010
UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn II - Aug 28, 2010
"The Ultimate Fighter 12" debut - Sep 15, 2010
UFC Fight Night 22 - Sep 15, 2010
UFC 119 in Indianapolis - Sep 25, 2010
WEC 51 - Sep 30, 2010
WEC 52 - Oct 13, 2010
UFC 120 in London - Oct 16, 2010
UFC 121 in Anaheim - Oct 23, 2010
there are others like Strikeforce and Dream, but the list was getting long
modogg
Footballguy
I recommend if you are thinking about it to join the ufc fightclub. It is like $70 or something, but you get priority sale of tickets, and tickets these days sell out fast because the scalpers are all over them. The cool thing about it though is you also get to go to a Q&A session and get good seat for the weigh-ins. I saw a Q&A with BJ Penn which was good, and one with Dana where the guy will answer whatever question you want. I asked him about the idea of having a weekly show like Tuesday Fight Nights used to be and he said they don't have enough fighters for that right now. That was when the UFC-WEC merger rumors began heating up too, but i guess that all died out. Anyway, good luck with those tickets, i think the only other rumored fight right now is Sam Stout-Paul Taylor, but that main event will be a great fight by itself.
modogg
Footballguy
I just can't believe the cards are still free on Vs. I still can't believe how more attn. does not come to these cards, but this one is starting to look good:•Champ Joe Aldo vs. Manny Gamburyan (for featherweight title)*•Miguel Torres vs. Charlie Valencia*•Leonard Garcia vs. Mark Hominick*•Chan Sung Jung vs. George Roop*WEC is solid organization... love watching Aldo and Ben Henderson.
modogg
Footballguy
Jake looked like he wanted to be anywhere else but in that ring, Japanese MMA at it's best
Just caught up on Dream 15. Why does anyone follow Aoki to the ground when he's fresh?
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Kawajiri didn't follow Aoki to the ground, Aoki pulled half guard.
I was sleepy, but it seemed Kawajiri had a chance to back off and get the stand-up. Instead, he tried to get a few punches in.