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NutterButter
Footballguy
Tough fight to bet on. Gonzaga is so up and down and Schaub is still an unknown.
NutterButter
Footballguy
The fans at almost all events are awful. All they want to see is a brawl. They appreciate so fews aspects of MMA. I wish there was a way they could block out the crowd noise.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Went with Hammell. Tito always seems to gas so quickly. Hammell will keep coming. All the bull#### about training at high altitude at Big Bear is such a joke.
modogg
Footballguy
Now they are making it a real tough call. Valasquez is +170 now, seems like a real good opportunity...........................
NutterButter
Footballguy
They're just begging people to bet on Velasquez. I'm still see -135 for Lesnar to win before decision. I don't understand why that hasn't moved as well. Doesn't anyone really think this is going to a decision.
NutterButter
Footballguy
YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! Here comes Diego. Him doing that just makes me chuckle.
modogg
Footballguy
man, great fight. My money was on Paulo, but Diego certainly earned the win in this one. Great fight by both guysETA: how someone scored that 30-26 is beyond me. if I am one of the guys coming up I am definitely taking note that I don't want to let the fight go to the judges.
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modogg
Footballguy
Glad i went light with Kampmann. I really think Shields will give GSP a run for his money. I can't see any way i don't bet GSP in that fight (of course Shields has to win this first), but i have to think the line should be pretty evenETA: ignore this. The line for GSP-Shields will not be too inviting for GSP backers.
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NutterButter
Footballguy
I sure hope you're right about that line so that I can unload on GSP. He is a freak of nature. No wrestling background whatsoever and he's dominated the best wrestlers in that division at their own game. I would expect Shields to be added to the list.Glad i went light with Kampmann. I really think Shields will give GSP a run for his money. I can't see any way i don't bet GSP in that fight (of course Shields has to win this first), but i have to think the line should be pretty evenETA: ignore this. The line for GSP-Shields will not be too inviting for GSP backers.
NutterButter
Footballguy
So I put a nice chunk of change on Lesner -135 to win within the distance. War Brock. Enter the f-ing sandman.
Clorox
Footballguy
Man, how badass is that entrance?
NutterButter
Footballguy
I love Rogan. "1000 years ago, the only time you saw a guy like this is if he came on shore in a boat... and then you ran." He really does look like a Viking. Just needs one of those big battle axes.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Wow. Lesner got picked apart.
modogg
Footballguy
NutterButter
Footballguy
LOL I forgot to tell you that I'm not a very good gambler
modogg
Footballguy
Funny that i kicked butt on the rest of the card, but this was my biggest bet. Still a + night, but not by a whole lot. I am pretty sure I will be betting JDS and Carwin over Cain though, I am still not convinced.LOL I forgot to tell you that I'm not a very good gambler
slayer666
Footballguy
Back for my plate of crow. Hella performance by Cain and an ugly gash on Lesnar's left cheek.
modogg
Footballguy
I think a lot of us have to eat a lot of crow. I did not expect that, but i just watched it again, and it looks more like brock lost it then Cain won it. I didn't see any huge shot that hurt Brock. It looked like he absolutely burned himself out not getting those takedowns and holding Cain down. Props to Cain for being able to get up from those because I was not sure he could do that, but wathcing it again it looked more like Brock burned himself out. You start to see it around the 3:00 mark, and that was right around when Cain took Brock down. The strike Brock throws at 2:30 shows he is absolutely done and that is when he kind of just fell over. Really weird how he got absolutely exhausted like that, he looked like he couldn't do a thing. And Cain did a good job of constantly attacking him, but I am not convinced that Cain is this dominant againBack for my plate of crow. Hella performance by Cain and an ugly gash on Lesnar's left cheek.
Sweatpants
Footballguy
not really
slayer666
Footballguy
It looked to me like Cain clipped him with a short left (somewhat of an upper cut) and it took all the gas out of Lesnar. After that, he was never the same.I think a lot of us have to eat a lot of crow. I did not expect that, but i just watched it again, and it looks more like brock lost it then Cain won it. I didn't see any huge shot that hurt Brock. It looked like he absolutely burned himself out not getting those takedowns and holding Cain down. Props to Cain for being able to get up from those because I was not sure he could do that, but wathcing it again it looked more like Brock burned himself out. You start to see it around the 3:00 mark, and that was right around when Cain took Brock down. The strike Brock throws at 2:30 shows he is absolutely done and that is when he kind of just fell over. Really weird how he got absolutely exhausted like that, he looked like he couldn't do a thing. And Cain did a good job of constantly attacking him, but I am not convinced that Cain is this dominant againBack for my plate of crow. Hella performance by Cain and an ugly gash on Lesnar's left cheek.
modogg
Footballguy
First, I have to say Tivo/DVR is absolutely one of the best inventions in the last few decades. I have watched the fight 4 times now, and the only shot I see that could have any effect could be the short left you mention at 2:34. Around 3:11 Cain looks to land maybe a jab in the stand-up, but nothing to really stun Brock. The thing though is you see Cain starting to breathe heavy already before the 3:00 mark. I can't figure out how he went 3 rounds with herring and fought Randy as tough as he did, and then he gasses 2 minutes into this fight. Still, I am not trying to take anything away from Cain here, he obviously won this fight. But the way some are viewing this fight (I am listening to the sherdog after show, and I can't understand for the life of me why i still listen to any of this) is off. I have the advantage of watching it a few times on DVR now, but still I think the view on this fight is much more a reflection of people hating Lesnar rather then Cain impressing.It looked to me like Cain clipped him with a short left (somewhat of an upper cut) and it took all the gas out of Lesnar. After that, he was never the same.I think a lot of us have to eat a lot of crow. I did not expect that, but i just watched it again, and it looks more like brock lost it then Cain won it. I didn't see any huge shot that hurt Brock. It looked like he absolutely burned himself out not getting those takedowns and holding Cain down. Props to Cain for being able to get up from those because I was not sure he could do that, but wathcing it again it looked more like Brock burned himself out. You start to see it around the 3:00 mark, and that was right around when Cain took Brock down. The strike Brock throws at 2:30 shows he is absolutely done and that is when he kind of just fell over. Really weird how he got absolutely exhausted like that, he looked like he couldn't do a thing. And Cain did a good job of constantly attacking him, but I am not convinced that Cain is this dominant againBack for my plate of crow. Hella performance by Cain and an ugly gash on Lesnar's left cheek.
Sweatpants
Footballguy
Don't forget the cartwheel Lesnar attempted. He looked helpless and scared. Of all people, you would think Brock could maintain his balanceFirst, I have to say Tivo/DVR is absolutely one of the best inventions in the last few decades. I have watched the fight 4 times now, and the only shot I see that could have any effect could be the short left you mention at 2:34. Around 3:11 Cain looks to land maybe a jab in the stand-up, but nothing to really stun Brock. The thing though is you see Cain starting to breathe heavy already before the 3:00 mark. I can't figure out how he went 3 rounds with herring and fought Randy as tough as he did, and then he gasses 2 minutes into this fight. Still, I am not trying to take anything away from Cain here, he obviously won this fight. But the way some are viewing this fight (I am listening to the sherdog after show, and I can't understand for the life of me why i still listen to any of this) is off. I have the advantage of watching it a few times on DVR now, but still I think the view on this fight is much more a reflection of people hating Lesnar rather then Cain impressing.It looked to me like Cain clipped him with a short left (somewhat of an upper cut) and it took all the gas out of Lesnar. After that, he was never the same.I think a lot of us have to eat a lot of crow. I did not expect that, but i just watched it again, and it looks more like brock lost it then Cain won it. I didn't see any huge shot that hurt Brock. It looked like he absolutely burned himself out not getting those takedowns and holding Cain down. Props to Cain for being able to get up from those because I was not sure he could do that, but wathcing it again it looked more like Brock burned himself out. You start to see it around the 3:00 mark, and that was right around when Cain took Brock down. The strike Brock throws at 2:30 shows he is absolutely done and that is when he kind of just fell over. Really weird how he got absolutely exhausted like that, he looked like he couldn't do a thing. And Cain did a good job of constantly attacking him, but I am not convinced that Cain is this dominant againBack for my plate of crow. Hella performance by Cain and an ugly gash on Lesnar's left cheek.
modogg
Footballguy
Man I wish that was a cartwheel attempt he threw in there. He was just absolutely exhausted at that point, and I can't figure out how the guy can train as hard as they say he does, and be gassed that fast into the fight. Especially when he didn't show that when he fought some of his other fights like his fight against Herring and Couture.
sheerterror
Footballguy
I rewatched the fight a few times - I'm almost positive that Lesnar slipped when he was stumbling around and unable to regain his balance, and it wasn't a result of an particular shot Velasquez landed. Don't get me wrong, I think Cain would have ended up winning anyway - but to me, it looked like Brock slipped and Cain opportunistically pounced and never gave Brock a chance to recover. Props to Velasquez for applying effective ground and pound (take notes Carwin!) and not just punching as hard as he could into Lesnar's forearms.
Pumped to see what Dos Santos can do against Cain, but I think he'll struggle to keep the fight standing. Carwin-Velasquez should also be an incredible fight somewhere down the line - I think Carwin will be able to beat Cain.
Pumped to see what Dos Santos can do against Cain, but I think he'll struggle to keep the fight standing. Carwin-Velasquez should also be an incredible fight somewhere down the line - I think Carwin will be able to beat Cain.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Small brag here, only because I've never ever hit anything with this long of odds:
Wager Type: Parlay (6 team)
Accepted By: Internet
Wager Status: Win
Risk / To Win Amount: 25.00 / 924.30 (USD) Accepted 10/23/2010 9:20 PM - EST
Won: 924.30
Amount Paid: 924.30
Item #1
Wager Type: Total
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Martin Kampmann/Jake Shields 10/23/2010 10:30:01 PM - (EST)
Over 2½ -200
* Event Notes:
Welterweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #2
Wager Type: Money Line
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Jake Shields 10/23/2010 10:30:01 PM - (EST)
-170
* Event Notes:
Welterweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #3
Wager Type: Money Line
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Matt Hamill 10/23/2010 10:30:01 PM - (EST)
-175
* Event Notes:
Light Heavyweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #4
Wager Type: Money Line
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Diego Sanchez 10/23/2010 11:00:01 PM - (EST)
+110
* Event Notes:
Welterweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #5
Wager Type: Money Line
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Brendan Schaub 10/23/2010 9:30:01 PM - (EST)
+130
* Event Notes:
Heavyweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #6
Wager Type: Total
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Brendan Schaub/Gabriel Gonzaga 10/23/2010 9:30:01 PM - (EST)
Over 1½ +110
* Event Notes:
Heavyweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Only played this because Cote cost me on 3 seperate parlays, and I needed some degen action on the remainder of the fights.
Wager Type: Parlay (6 team)
Accepted By: Internet
Wager Status: Win
Risk / To Win Amount: 25.00 / 924.30 (USD) Accepted 10/23/2010 9:20 PM - EST
Won: 924.30
Amount Paid: 924.30
Item #1
Wager Type: Total
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Martin Kampmann/Jake Shields 10/23/2010 10:30:01 PM - (EST)
Over 2½ -200
* Event Notes:
Welterweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #2
Wager Type: Money Line
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Jake Shields 10/23/2010 10:30:01 PM - (EST)
-170
* Event Notes:
Welterweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #3
Wager Type: Money Line
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Matt Hamill 10/23/2010 10:30:01 PM - (EST)
-175
* Event Notes:
Light Heavyweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #4
Wager Type: Money Line
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Diego Sanchez 10/23/2010 11:00:01 PM - (EST)
+110
* Event Notes:
Welterweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #5
Wager Type: Money Line
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Brendan Schaub 10/23/2010 9:30:01 PM - (EST)
+130
* Event Notes:
Heavyweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Item #6
Wager Type: Total
Outcome: Win
Sport / Period: MMA Martial Arts / Game
Selection:
Brendan Schaub/Gabriel Gonzaga 10/23/2010 9:30:01 PM - (EST)
Over 1½ +110
* Event Notes:
Heavyweight (3 rounds) @ Oracle Arena - Oakland, California
Only played this because Cote cost me on 3 seperate parlays, and I needed some degen action on the remainder of the fights.
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modogg
Footballguy
nice hit buddy. Hitting parlays like that really make life a lot easier.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Thanks...got that right, provides a real nice cushion for the rest of the weekend.
zander_s
Footballguy
Nicely done Sheer!
Sweatpants
Footballguy
Brock
No. 16
Footballguy
He'll be back again. The dude is a competitor and just like after he lost to Mir, I'm sure he'll come back and get his revenge against Cain.
Sweatpants
Footballguy
Probably but he's just another fighter at this point. He was before this fight. I never got how he was supposed to be the best ever or in the world. I said over and over again that he had only five 5 fights. We know basically nothing at that point. He's shown twice now that he can't take a hard punch and doesn't respond well to a good hard shot. Not saying he's not good but he's not the guy everyone made him out to be. I had that argument numerous times and then just gave up. Fedor till the end.He'll be back again. The dude is a competitor and just like after he lost to Mir, I'm sure he'll come back and get his revenge against Cain.Brock
Sebowski
Footballguy
From one of the replay angles we can see Cain land an uppercut that changed the fight right before the Brockwheel.Awesome win, sheer.
Now I'm going to be a chasing a parlay like that for a long time you *******.
No. 16
Footballguy
He's still the most athletic fighter EVER and that's why a lot of people including myself got caught up in the hype. I honestly thought Carwin was the only HW that could beat Brock, but going into the fight I felt that Cain was the 2nd best HW so again it's not like Brock lost to some chump. Aside from Carwin, Cain, and as much as I hate to admit it now Fedor... I don't think there's another HW that can overcome Brock's wrestling and athletic ability. Brock is far from polished, but as is there's only 3 other fighters that can beat him. We now know his athleticism isn't enough anymore and he's not the baddest man on the planet, but Brock is pretty close.Probably but he's just another fighter at this point. He was before this fight. I never got how he was supposed to be the best ever or in the world. I said over and over again that he had only five 5 fights. We know basically nothing at that point. He's shown twice now that he can't take a hard punch and doesn't respond well to a good hard shot. Not saying he's not good but he's not the guy everyone made him out to be. I had that argument numerous times and then just gave up. Fedor till the end.
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Nice hit sheer!
I was pretty big on the Lesnar bandwagon, but Cain simply handled him tonight. Obviously, Lesnar will have big problems with people that get up off the mat. In that respect, Cain is a horrible matchup for him.
I was pretty big on the Lesnar bandwagon, but Cain simply handled him tonight. Obviously, Lesnar will have big problems with people that get up off the mat. In that respect, Cain is a horrible matchup for him.
Smiles&Cries
Footballguy
Just stop, you have no clue.He's still the most athletic fighter EVER and that's why a lot of people including myself got caught up in the hype. I honestly thought Carwin was the only HW that could beat Brock, but going into the fight I felt that Cain was the 2nd best HW so again it's not like Brock lost to some chump. Aside from Carwin, Cain, and as much as I hate to admit it now Fedor... I don't think there's another HW that can overcome Brock's wrestling and athletic ability.Probably but he's just another fighter at this point. He was before this fight. I never got how he was supposed to be the best ever or in the world. I said over and over again that he had only five 5 fights. We know basically nothing at that point. He's shown twice now that he can't take a hard punch and doesn't respond well to a good hard shot. Not saying he's not good but he's not the guy everyone made him out to be. I had that argument numerous times and then just gave up. Fedor till the end.He'll be back again. The dude is a competitor and just like after he lost to Mir, I'm sure he'll come back and get his revenge against Cain.
Brock is far from polished, but as is there's only 3 other fighters that can beat him. We now know his athleticism isn't enough anymore and he's not the baddest man on the planet, but Brock is pretty close.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I doubt Brock has more than 4 more fights in him. I thought Brock quit once Cain started pressuring him and landing a few shots.
I really disagree that Cain didn't show much in this fight. He was really good at adjusting himself during the takedown by Lesnar to put himself in a position to get up immediately. He did that again for a brief moment when Lesnar took him down against the cage in the clinch.
Cain shows a high level of focus and mental toughness to ride out that initial onslaught and attack in a controlled manner. That quality is uncommon in MMA and really separates the elite level guys.
I really disagree that Cain didn't show much in this fight. He was really good at adjusting himself during the takedown by Lesnar to put himself in a position to get up immediately. He did that again for a brief moment when Lesnar took him down against the cage in the clinch.
Cain shows a high level of focus and mental toughness to ride out that initial onslaught and attack in a controlled manner. That quality is uncommon in MMA and really separates the elite level guys.
No. 16
Footballguy
Feel free to list the fighters you think can beat Brock Lesnar then.Just stop, you have no clue.He's still the most athletic fighter EVER and that's why a lot of people including myself got caught up in the hype. I honestly thought Carwin was the only HW that could beat Brock, but going into the fight I felt that Cain was the 2nd best HW so again it's not like Brock lost to some chump. Aside from Carwin, Cain, and as much as I hate to admit it now Fedor... I don't think there's another HW that can overcome Brock's wrestling and athletic ability.Probably but he's just another fighter at this point. He was before this fight. I never got how he was supposed to be the best ever or in the world. I said over and over again that he had only five 5 fights. We know basically nothing at that point. He's shown twice now that he can't take a hard punch and doesn't respond well to a good hard shot. Not saying he's not good but he's not the guy everyone made him out to be. I had that argument numerous times and then just gave up. Fedor till the end.He'll be back again. The dude is a competitor and just like after he lost to Mir, I'm sure he'll come back and get his revenge against Cain.
Brock is far from polished, but as is there's only 3 other fighters that can beat him. We now know his athleticism isn't enough anymore and he's not the baddest man on the planet, but Brock is pretty close.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Overeem wrecks Brock.He's still the most athletic fighter EVER and that's why a lot of people including myself got caught up in the hype. I honestly thought Carwin was the only HW that could beat Brock, but going into the fight I felt that Cain was the 2nd best HW so again it's not like Brock lost to some chump. Aside from Carwin, Cain, and as much as I hate to admit it now Fedor... I don't think there's another HW that can overcome Brock's wrestling and athletic ability.Probably but he's just another fighter at this point. He was before this fight. I never got how he was supposed to be the best ever or in the world. I said over and over again that he had only five 5 fights. We know basically nothing at that point. He's shown twice now that he can't take a hard punch and doesn't respond well to a good hard shot. Not saying he's not good but he's not the guy everyone made him out to be. I had that argument numerous times and then just gave up. Fedor till the end.He'll be back again. The dude is a competitor and just like after he lost to Mir, I'm sure he'll come back and get his revenge against Cain.
Brock is far from polished, but as is there's only 3 other fighters that can beat him. We now know his athleticism isn't enough anymore and he's not the baddest man on the planet, but Brock is pretty close.
No. 16
Footballguy
I don't think Overeem's take down defense is on the level of Carwin or Cain. Overeem is just a puffed up kick boxer.Overeem wrecks Brock.He's still the most athletic fighter EVER and that's why a lot of people including myself got caught up in the hype. I honestly thought Carwin was the only HW that could beat Brock, but going into the fight I felt that Cain was the 2nd best HW so again it's not like Brock lost to some chump. Aside from Carwin, Cain, and as much as I hate to admit it now Fedor... I don't think there's another HW that can overcome Brock's wrestling and athletic ability.Probably but he's just another fighter at this point. He was before this fight. I never got how he was supposed to be the best ever or in the world. I said over and over again that he had only five 5 fights. We know basically nothing at that point. He's shown twice now that he can't take a hard punch and doesn't respond well to a good hard shot. Not saying he's not good but he's not the guy everyone made him out to be. I had that argument numerous times and then just gave up. Fedor till the end.He'll be back again. The dude is a competitor and just like after he lost to Mir, I'm sure he'll come back and get his revenge against Cain.
Brock is far from polished, but as is there's only 3 other fighters that can beat him. We now know his athleticism isn't enough anymore and he's not the baddest man on the planet, but Brock is pretty close.
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
With a ADCC level grappling.
No. 16
Footballguy
Submission knowledge/defense =/= ability to stop a take down.Brock would smother Overeem just the same way he did to Mir. Also, Overeem's ADCC accomplishments are not as accomplished as someone like Werdum. Overeem fought in European trials and tapped out 4 opponents with a guillotine vs Werdum who actually placed. While Overeem is just as big as Brock Lesnar, he doesn't have the natural/farmer/country/old man/whatever you want to call it strength. There's a huge difference in strength between a guy who has been a heavyweight his whole life vs. a fighter who bulked up from middle weight.
NutterButter
Footballguy
I haven't watched the replay of the fight, but I remember Rogan screaming early on that Cain landed a big knee on Lesnar. Did that knee connect? It seemed that things went downhill real quick after that point. A big knee certainly is a fight changer.
Big props out to Cain, his striking was outstanding. Great game plan. He set a relentless pace and never gave Brock a chance to breath or recover.
Big props out to Cain, his striking was outstanding. Great game plan. He set a relentless pace and never gave Brock a chance to breath or recover.