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Abrantes
Footballguy
Easily the worst "fight" I've ever seen out of Vera. The dude just mentally turtles up when things don't go his way for a second.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Leban got worked! Rosenthal let that go on too long imo.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
<_<C'mon Frankiiiiieeeeee!
Maynard is a great fighter -- but for you people think GSP is "boring" ...Maynard = 50mg of Ambien. I don't want this guy to hold a belt.
modogg
Footballguy
I had 2 parlays (a 7 fighter one and a 6 fighter one) and one has Frankie, and one has gray. I won most of the fights in both, and realized that I had leben in both. I went to put money on Stann, but didn't realize my DVR was 4 mintues behind so i missed it. 
Sorry, but i had to vent that out of my system. I'm hoping Frankie pulls this out as well, but more importantly, I can't wait for the "Mechanic"!!! I mean really, i get that they put some commercials in with the PPV like these, but the "Mechanic". Maybe I am judging the movie too soon, but something tells me the premise here is real dopey
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Great main event!
I did NOT expect Maynard to stand and trade with Edgar.
I did NOT expect Maynard to stand and trade with Edgar.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Frankie's corner telling him "Keep the hard jersey"
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
good call by those who questioned Maynard's ability to go five. He's looking tired.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
If that first round was a 10-8 (it should be) and Frankie wins this round we could be looking at a draw. Round 3 might have gone to Maynard.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
both rds 3 and 5 were pretty close, but I had GM with 3 and FE with 5... judge ACP has it 47-47. I'd also go with Edgar in the rematch.
modogg
Footballguy
AhrnCityPahnder said:
I think 1st was clearly maynard 10-8, and Frankie clearly won round 2 and 4. Rounds 3 and 5 were a little iffy, and maybe that is where one judge had it 48-46 Edgar, and one had it 48-46 Maynard. I would have probably scored it a draw too without re-watching the fight just yet, and if it was Pride scoring i would have given it to Frankie. I am not sure where they go next, I am anxious to see Pettis in the octagon, and i think he can definitely hang with both of these guys.
modogg
Footballguy
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/2/190837...ras-broken-nosePossum said:good lord Vera's nose looked rough
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I eventually found it on Sportsnet East (Canadian channel) and ended up ordering the fights anyway.Your Mom said:
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Just rewatched that 1st round
No idea how Edgar survived that, and even won round 2
Unreal
Fight of the year on Jan 1st?
No idea how Edgar survived that, and even won round 2
Unreal
Fight of the year on Jan 1st?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Abrantes said:
Was talking about this with the buddies I watched the fight with. Kim did nothing besides hold down him while Diaz was constantly trying to finish the fight. Not once was Diaz closed to being finished or really even in trouble. Based on the UFC judging, it was the right call but alas, UFC judging is horrible.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I had it 47-47. 10-8 in the first with rounds 2, 4 and 5 going to Edgar. I have no idea how that one judge came up with 48-46 Edgar. How in the world was the first round not 10-8? Closed to 10-7 than it was to 10-9.AhrnCityPahnder said:I think 1st was clearly maynard 10-8, and Frankie clearly won round 2 and 4. Rounds 3 and 5 were a little iffy, and maybe that is where one judge had it 48-46 Edgar, and one had it 48-46 Maynard. I would have probably scored it a draw too without re-watching the fight just yet, and if it was Pride scoring i would have given it to Frankie. I am not sure where they go next, I am anxious to see Pettis in the octagon, and i think he can definitely hang with both of these guys.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
the 48-46 Edgar jugde could have had it a 10-8 round for GM in the first, then given FE rounds 2,3,4,5 10-9 to FE (not saying I agree, just trying to figure out how that judge got there)
Abrantes
Footballguy
Pretty much what I figured too. Shame that the scoring system is so inflexible, really.
kutta
Footballguy
That scoring is very strange. There is really no doubt that Maynard won rounds 1 and 3. I think the judges got this right in the end, but took the long way around to get there. A draw is the right call here, and I am very anti-draw usually.What a performance by Edgar. That dude has some heart. Could be the most amazing comeback I've ever seen in MMA.
Abrantes said:
My favorite fighter. I liked before meeting him, but he's ultra cool in person, so that was the clincher.Grispi was clearly not ready for Jose Aldo.
Tavares was pretty soft in the midsection.
Vera's nose was bad, but not near as gruesome as Sakuraba's ear.
Vera needs to fight Luis Cane in a loser-leaves-town match.
at the Stun Gun.Leben clearly did not respect Stann.
Had Edgar / Maynard at 47-47. God, I wish Maynard could finish a fight. Of course, he can knock himself out. Hopefully, we won't see a rematch next.
Jake Shields vs Dan Henderson was similar except Shields dominated rounds two through five after being brutalized in the first.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I'm a big DHK fan, but he clearly lost round 2, and should have lost 29-28 vs Diaz. I really expected better of Joe Rogan, as a BJJ guy, than to say it was clear DHK won round 2, when all he did was secure a takedown and defend sub attempts for the entire round. DHK did no damage to Diaz. Kim landed 0 effective strikes. Diaz landed a few pitter-patter strikes from the bottom, but Nate was constantly going for sub attempts the entire round. I'm disappointed as held out hope that some judge's would rightfully give a fighter a round who was on his back for most of the round, and this was a clear case of round where that should happed. The fact that it was in Nevada, where presumably they have the best judges (NV or CA) makes it worse.
As for the main event, I had it scored 46-46 with a 10-7 round, three 10-9 rounds for Edgar, and one 10-10 round. I was shocked that Rogan questioned whether round 1 should have been a 10-8 during the broadcast. If that wasn't at least a 10-8, where the fight probably would have been stopped multiple times if it wasn't a UFC title fight, then no round should be scored a 10-8 or more lopsided. I personally saw it 10-7, as that was one of the most one-sided beatdowns ever in a round. Curious to others thoughts on scoring round 1 a 10-7.
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/01/kim-vs...statistics.html
As for the main event, I had it scored 46-46 with a 10-7 round, three 10-9 rounds for Edgar, and one 10-10 round. I was shocked that Rogan questioned whether round 1 should have been a 10-8 during the broadcast. If that wasn't at least a 10-8, where the fight probably would have been stopped multiple times if it wasn't a UFC title fight, then no round should be scored a 10-8 or more lopsided. I personally saw it 10-7, as that was one of the most one-sided beatdowns ever in a round. Curious to others thoughts on scoring round 1 a 10-7.
It really isn't if you use it properly, IMO.edit: I'm really happen Fightmetric agreed with me on Diaz-Kim.
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/01/kim-vs...statistics.html
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Sebowski
Footballguy
I had it 47-47. 10-8 in the first with rounds 2, 4 and 5 going to Edgar. I have no idea how that one judge came up with 48-46 Edgar. How in the world was the first round not 10-8? Closed to 10-7 than it was to 10-9.AhrnCityPahnder said:
That;s how I had it too.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Exactly right. Allow me to rephrase that to "shame that the judges' application of the scoring system is so damn inflexible".
bonesman
Footballguy
You certainly do live up to your name on that one. I don't think I've ever seen a more lopsided round where a hand wasn't raised at the end. Major props to Frankie and his corner for getting him back to win round 2 and keep the fight competitive. Definitely deserved to keep the belt (as much as I disagree w/ the actual scoring).
I'm a big Diaz family fan, so I'm disappointed w/ the result of that fight. But I knew that's exactly how it'd go and it's unfortunate that the scoring situation is how it is (good for boxing but 10 point must isn't sufficient for MMA), but props to both guys for fighting a good fight. Kim is a great athlete and a strong fighter/grappler. Diaz is one of the best off the back, but unless you finish, that won't win you decisions. As much as I like the guy, I can't ever see him competing for a title in that division
Going for subs that aren't close to being finished is like throwing haymakers that whiff. I'm impressed by neither.In the first two rounds, Kim put Diaz on the mat and didn't let him up. The definition of octagon control.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Serious question: Has any judge in any UFC ever given a 10-7 round? I don't remember it if they did. I remember Kalib Starnes got a 30-24 decision from one judge for his running man routine. If the scoring rules allow you to give a 10-7 round, I'm not sure how much more of an argument can be made for one than what GM did in rd 1. But, we've talked about this before.....they're so hesitant to even give 10-8 rounds that I'm not surprised (I'm pissed, but not surprised) we never see them.
NutterButter
Footballguy
I'm not sure I've ever seen a 10-7 round. I don't know how you decide if a round is 10-8 or 10-7. The scoring allows going 10-6 and lower so what would it take to get to that?I thought the draw was the correct ruling. Even if Maynard did have the slight edge in the 5th, you don't change belts with such a slight margin of victory.
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Abrantes
Footballguy
Can't remember if Starnes/Quarry was three 10-8 rounds or what.
As for a 10-7 round, that's precisely what I meant. In the judges' eyes, a round is only 10-10 if the two fighters basically sit down and have a cup o' tea for 5 minutes. On the other hand, you need to deliver such a vicious beating to get awarded a 10-8 that you'd need to literally kill the opponent and revive him to get a 10-7. It simply doesn't happen.
As for a 10-7 round, that's precisely what I meant. In the judges' eyes, a round is only 10-10 if the two fighters basically sit down and have a cup o' tea for 5 minutes. On the other hand, you need to deliver such a vicious beating to get awarded a 10-8 that you'd need to literally kill the opponent and revive him to get a 10-7. It simply doesn't happen.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
IIRC it was 30-27, 30-27, 30-24 -- I remember because I called for a 30-24 in a room full of people as they were lining up for the decisions -- I was first
then as I heard the scoresVoice Of Reason
Footballguy
I think Starnes-Quarry 30-24 was a 10-9, 10-8, 10-7 scorecard.
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I'd say Diaz's attack from the guard was substantially more controlling and aggressive.in round 2
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
ah, I always assumed it was 3x 10-8. I never saw the details.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Leben's style makes him very susceptible to anyone with KO power.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Hard for me to argue that after what happened last night, but if you said this yesterday I would have pointed out that the only man to knock him out was Anderson Silva.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Fair enough. I had some money on Leben last night as well. His game plan is to brawl and when you do that, the risk of getting KO'd is a lot higher. He has a hell of a chin that has saved him in the past but maybe it is starting to show some wear after all the abuse it has taken.
Lance Uppercut
Footballguy
Phil Baroni cut from the UFC
Chael Sonnon may be facing jail for money laundering
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Chael Sonnon may be facing jail for money laundering
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RudiStein
*Not really a bail bondsman
Color me shocked...about both things.Phil Baroni cut from the UFC
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hooter311
Footballguy
Leben looked like he hadn't slept in a week at the weigh in. He has been going through some personal stuff and I think underestimated what Stann brought to the table. He was peeved that he didn't draw a bigger name for an opponent after fighting twice in a month when the UFC needed him last time around.
I think someone found a quote from one of Leben's trainers that said Leben had the flu and couldn't even break a sweat warming up before the fight.As far as I know, Leben hasn't said anything about this, and I don't think he's known for excuses.