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Mauro's the most annoying voice in MMA, guy tries way too hard on the catchphrases/shtick ("Oh no, he's unleashed the H-Bomb!").on a different note, UFC 126 is looking incredible, best lineup they've had in a long time. The addition of the WEC and JMMA guys is what's putting this thing over the top - I'm really looking forward to Mendes-Omigawa and Yamamoto, Johnson, Torres and Cerrone making their UFC debuts. Will be interesting to see what Forrest looks like coming back too.I've been run over pretty hard by the Bones Jones hype train. This is the acid test but I think he's gonna be too big and quick for Bader. I also think Anderson's coming out with a vengeance and putting Belfort on the mat early - TKO or sub in the first ten minutes is my prediction.Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
just re-watched Nogueria vs Bader, and some interesting observations that may play into his fight vs Jones
1. Bader's cardio is awful, he gassed in the first round
2. Bader had trouble with gauging distance vs lil Nog, this was fairly obvious so I think Jackson and co will make sure to take advantage of this with Jones' reach
3. Bader doesn't shoot a deep double leg or single leg, he kind of shoots in and initiates a clinch, this could be a good way to neutralize Jones' speed if he can press him against the cage, but Jones's Greco background and judo makes this a bad idea if Bader can't press him against the cage.
overall, i was likely wrong earlier when i said i thought there was value on Bader, i'm sipping on the Jones kool-aid now.
Also, am I missing something or is Silva @ -225 seems like stealing. I thought the UFC was scared to let Vitor fight anyone as he may lose and ruin a potential title contender and now he is getting the odds that I think Sonnen would get in a remwatch with Silva, seems crazy to me,
1. Bader's cardio is awful, he gassed in the first round
2. Bader had trouble with gauging distance vs lil Nog, this was fairly obvious so I think Jackson and co will make sure to take advantage of this with Jones' reach
3. Bader doesn't shoot a deep double leg or single leg, he kind of shoots in and initiates a clinch, this could be a good way to neutralize Jones' speed if he can press him against the cage, but Jones's Greco background and judo makes this a bad idea if Bader can't press him against the cage.
overall, i was likely wrong earlier when i said i thought there was value on Bader, i'm sipping on the Jones kool-aid now.
Also, am I missing something or is Silva @ -225 seems like stealing. I thought the UFC was scared to let Vitor fight anyone as he may lose and ruin a potential title contender and now he is getting the odds that I think Sonnen would get in a remwatch with Silva, seems crazy to me,
modogg
Footballguy
good point on Nog-Bader, and if you can find Silva for -225 i say definitely take it. It does seem like the swing against Silva is pretty heavy, but if i remember correctly this has happened before with Silva. I can't remember if it was Silva-Leites or Silva-maia but he dipped around -240 or so for that one too. The big argument I am hearing agsint Silva is that people think his age has caught up to him and he isn't as fast. That is just dopey, sure it is possible, but peopel drawing that because of Sonnen-Silva are just out of it. My 2 cents is that Anderson Silva has some mental isssues. Call it whatever it is, but he certainly seems unmotivated half the time, and i am not sure he felt that Sonnen was any kind of a threat to him. Now this same thing showed up when Silva fought Leites, and that is why I thought Griffin had a chance. But it was obvious that Silva felt like preparing better for Griffin, and I am sure he has prepared well for Belfort. They are making this sound like the biggest event in Brazil in sometime, and that both of these guys have a lot of motivation to win this. I also think the possible discussion of Silva-GSP being next if both Anderson and GSP dominate these fights has to be motivating to Silva. After that i am not sure what would be left for Silva, outside of a Jon Jones-Silva fight if Jones can keep the hype train going. There is other value up and down this card, and i have quite a few bets. I just can't remember what they all are right now. I like the Griffin odds still even though it went to -135. I also put a little on Omigawa and Paul kelly, Banking on some possible UFC jitters, and Cowboy getting too excited against Kelly to have a great showing. i have a few parlays with Jones, Silva, Ellenberger, Torres and Pierce. I think it should be a real good card. Interested to see how some of these guys look tomorrow, I think I am pulling for Kid more then I pulled for anyother UFC newcomer to have success. He just seems legit with not having explanations for his downturn and seems like he really wants to work on it. Other guys you get the impression they get frustrated they lose but do not want to evolve, we'll see with Kid. I bet against him when the odds for Mighty Mouse were around +140 for him (somewhat heavy too), but i would be willing to lose some of that money to see Kid look as great as he once did
Abrantes
Footballguy
Bader's gas tank issues are the biggest question mark in his game. Seems like it happens in every fight that lasts past the first round, which isn't good at all. He's learned how to pace himself better, but that's only relevant if he's the one dictating the pace - which might not be the case. As for Jones, it's only natural that he's still raw as a fighter, given his limited MMA training. My biggest concern about his game is that he hasn't learned how to maximize his insane reach advantage. That comes with time, but I feel people are a little quick to say that opponents won't be able to handle Jones' reach in the striking game. His best work has been done with ground 'n' pound, not outside striking.
Yes, people are going CRAZY for Anderson/Vitor down here and people are buying the 'fight of the century' hype hard. Anderson is a cagey *******, but I don't really see the mental issues argument, Modogg. He does love to play games with his opponents, though, and it's hard to tell where the person ends and the character begins. Thing is, Belfort has long been a poster child for questionable psyches in MMA, as sometimes it just doesn't seem like he's all there. He's seemed very composed lately, but still, it's hard to shake off long-standing ideas. Not that it's worth much, since it's based purely on feel, but a few months back, a couple friends of mine down here were sure that Vitor would find a way to back out of the fight. Personally, I think it would be interesting if Belfort won, but my money's on the Spider.
Yes, people are going CRAZY for Anderson/Vitor down here and people are buying the 'fight of the century' hype hard. Anderson is a cagey *******, but I don't really see the mental issues argument, Modogg. He does love to play games with his opponents, though, and it's hard to tell where the person ends and the character begins. Thing is, Belfort has long been a poster child for questionable psyches in MMA, as sometimes it just doesn't seem like he's all there. He's seemed very composed lately, but still, it's hard to shake off long-standing ideas. Not that it's worth much, since it's based purely on feel, but a few months back, a couple friends of mine down here were sure that Vitor would find a way to back out of the fight. Personally, I think it would be interesting if Belfort won, but my money's on the Spider.
modogg
Footballguy
Your right, poor choice of words when i threw that together. Mental issues iasn't the best description, I guess it would be more along the lines of his motivation. He has seemed simply bored sometimes in fights, and his talks in the past year or 2 of retiring or getting out of the UFC to go to boxing was pointing to more what I was thinking of. But now that i think about it, maybe explaining it as Silva bores easily is a better way to explain Silva's behavior at times. We have seen similar stuff with BJ in the past, and it isn't a knock on Silva. I think the Maia fight was more of silva's clowning around and the differentiation between character and person. Watching the difference between the Silva at the Griffin fight vs. the Silva at the Leites or Lutter fight. he has seemed at times bothered by the fact that he has to fight. Maybe it is just me, does this make more sense to you? and your points with Belfort are there too, it is hard to figure out what it is with some of the fighters. You get some guys like Karo Parysian who don't demonstrate characteristics like these in his fights per se (his latest fights before he left the UFC this point could be argued) vs. a guy like Paulo Filho where his mental issues were a seemingly evident at times. I don't think Silva is similar to either one of these.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
i agree that Silva gets bored with the sport, but that is probably common among people who are naturally much better than everyone at something. i guess you don't see this much in more traditional sports because they are developed to a point where effectively no one can get by on mostly natural ability. randy moss is the best example from other sports who can get by mostly on his natural abilities.
i think this is fairly common in mma as i see a lot of fighters who are not mentally strong enough keep focus and do what they know is best, silva just happens to be one of the few who rarely has to pay for those mistakes
i think this is fairly common in mma as i see a lot of fighters who are not mentally strong enough keep focus and do what they know is best, silva just happens to be one of the few who rarely has to pay for those mistakes
hooter311
Footballguy
Here's what I got:
Silva -260
Griffin +125
Bader +245
Cerrone -265
Kingsbury -105
Pierce -250
Props:
Belfort/Silva starts Round 2 -257
Franklin/Griffen goes distance -155
Bader/Jones goes distance +185
Ellenberger by TKO -115
Most confident in Pierce and Cerrone. Franklin/Griffin distance also looks like a lock. Silva will get beat soon, but not tonight.
Silva -260
Griffin +125
Bader +245
Cerrone -265
Kingsbury -105
Pierce -250
Props:
Belfort/Silva starts Round 2 -257
Franklin/Griffen goes distance -155
Bader/Jones goes distance +185
Ellenberger by TKO -115
Most confident in Pierce and Cerrone. Franklin/Griffin distance also looks like a lock. Silva will get beat soon, but not tonight.
on a few UFC 126 and Brock Lesnar. Good stuff.And I'm guessing everyone has seen the Silva / Belfort ruckus.
Going with the following tonight:
Silva - The dude is going to lose eventually (and probably soon), but I just can't back a dog that hasn't fought in 17 months.
Griffin - Neither guy should be able to finish the fight, and these two seem pretty similar. Franklin weighed in at 203, so I'm going with Griffin, who will be huge in comparison. I think he'll wear Franklin down.
Jones - I view Bader and Matt Hamill as pretty similar fighters, and I'm not sure who is better. Also, for those worrying about Jones being able to utilize his reach, he hasn't been hit in the standup in his last two fights.
I'm worried about these guys:
Cerrone - I see everyone picking him, but I'm not overly impressed. His last two opponents (Chris Horodecki and Jamie Varner) didn't survive the UFC / WEC merge, and Kelly is definitely a step up in competition.
Yamamoto - Wake me up when an aging Japanese superstar has even a solid debut in the UFC. Johnson is no joke.
Pierce - Needed a second try to shed an extra pound (finally weighed in at 171), and looks a bit doughy compared to his 107 weigh-in. I'm concerned about his motivation and if he might have an injury. I don't know anything about Robertson though, so I no idea if he'll be able to handle Pierce.
Going with the following tonight:
Silva - The dude is going to lose eventually (and probably soon), but I just can't back a dog that hasn't fought in 17 months.
Griffin - Neither guy should be able to finish the fight, and these two seem pretty similar. Franklin weighed in at 203, so I'm going with Griffin, who will be huge in comparison. I think he'll wear Franklin down.
Jones - I view Bader and Matt Hamill as pretty similar fighters, and I'm not sure who is better. Also, for those worrying about Jones being able to utilize his reach, he hasn't been hit in the standup in his last two fights.
I'm worried about these guys:
Cerrone - I see everyone picking him, but I'm not overly impressed. His last two opponents (Chris Horodecki and Jamie Varner) didn't survive the UFC / WEC merge, and Kelly is definitely a step up in competition.
Yamamoto - Wake me up when an aging Japanese superstar has even a solid debut in the UFC. Johnson is no joke.
Pierce - Needed a second try to shed an extra pound (finally weighed in at 171), and looks a bit doughy compared to his 107 weigh-in. I'm concerned about his motivation and if he might have an injury. I don't know anything about Robertson though, so I no idea if he'll be able to handle Pierce.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Random thoughts for tonight.
Belfort needs to KO Silva in the first couple minutes to have any chance. If he lets Silva take his time for the first few minutes and get his timing/range, its over. I really wish I could find live betting for UFC cause if this makes it to round two, I'd bet everything on Silva. Silva via TKO in round 2. Playing U2 Complete Rounds -120
I don't know how Bader wins. As others have mentioned, his cardio is definitely suspect so the longer the fight goes, the more it swings further into Jones' favor. I don't think he'll be able to land that big overhand right because of the speed and reach advantage which Jones' has. Bader isn't going to win this on the feet so he'll need to either hold Jones down for 3 rounds or pound him out... his cardio won't last for 3 rounds of lay'n'pray and while we haven't seen Jones on his back, I have doubts that he'd lay there long enough to get beat on. Jones by unanimous decision.
I have no clue about Forrest/Ace. They are basically the same guy. Forrest will have the size advantage and Rich will have the speed advantage. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that this fight goes the distance. Playing Franklin by decision +140 and Forrest by decision for +200 and fight goes 2+ rounds -280.
Belfort needs to KO Silva in the first couple minutes to have any chance. If he lets Silva take his time for the first few minutes and get his timing/range, its over. I really wish I could find live betting for UFC cause if this makes it to round two, I'd bet everything on Silva. Silva via TKO in round 2. Playing U2 Complete Rounds -120
I don't know how Bader wins. As others have mentioned, his cardio is definitely suspect so the longer the fight goes, the more it swings further into Jones' favor. I don't think he'll be able to land that big overhand right because of the speed and reach advantage which Jones' has. Bader isn't going to win this on the feet so he'll need to either hold Jones down for 3 rounds or pound him out... his cardio won't last for 3 rounds of lay'n'pray and while we haven't seen Jones on his back, I have doubts that he'd lay there long enough to get beat on. Jones by unanimous decision.
I have no clue about Forrest/Ace. They are basically the same guy. Forrest will have the size advantage and Rich will have the speed advantage. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that this fight goes the distance. Playing Franklin by decision +140 and Forrest by decision for +200 and fight goes 2+ rounds -280.
modogg
Footballguy
I noticed this last night while watching Inside MMA too, and it threw me off quite a bit. The 2 fights that stand out to me for Pierce are his fight against Brock Larson and Fitch, and i was very surprised at how he looked last night too. Makes me think he possibly may have an injury and wasn't able to do the cardio, etc. that sometimes occurs when guys have trouble making weight. I think i will throw a little bit on Robertson to balance out what i have on Pierce in my parlays.
modogg
Footballguy
You'll have to look back some pages, but i referenced a new sportsbook that was promoting how they had live betting on MMA. I can't remember the name of the site, but i know I saw it with-in the last few months.
and I like your thinking on your bets with Forrest and Franklin both by decision. The only minor concern i have is that recent stat that Fight metric or Compustrike had that showed that Rich Franklin is 2nd or 3rd in UFC history with knocdowns, and combined with looking at Forrest vs. Silva and Forrest vs. Jardine, a KO could be possible. both guys are coming off of injuries, so there are a few unknowns in this one
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Always the possibility of a KO but looking at all the numbers for the fight, it looks like the best bet IMO. To complete 2 rounds is -280. Forrest to finish the fight is +600 and Franklin is +260. Seems to me the oddsmaker think this one is going the distance.Why would anyone play Franklin -155 instead of +140 for decision and +260 for finish? These numbers don't make sense to me.
modogg
Footballguy
I agree with you, but you never know with MMA. Maybe the number is like that because Franklin is coming of his KO of Liddell. Granted, I think a gust of wind would KO Chuck these days, that is the only guess I have. I have been able to make some good money on some heavier favorites with bets like these
modogg
Footballguy
Thinking along these lines, how do people see the Jones and Silva fights ending? Silva has taken quite a few of his guys the distance, will this be another Silva by decision? and there is a lot of talk about Bader's gas tank, and Jones has the killer instinct when needed, but will he finish Bader? i don't know if either will get a sub, but there could be smoe value. i'll have to check the odds a little later
sheerterror
Footballguy
Grabbed Anderson at -210, the number was FARRR too good to pass up. Don't know why it keeps dropping like this - but I'm buying.
Love Jake Ellenberger tonight, but have a hard time laying -300. He's got the style to back it though - mauling, smothering lay n'pray ground work, great chin and nice stand up. I think he cruises tonight.
Also have some half unit plays on Kid and Griffin. Mike Pierce is probably a safe bet as well, but I don't want to lay -250.
Love Jake Ellenberger tonight, but have a hard time laying -300. He's got the style to back it though - mauling, smothering lay n'pray ground work, great chin and nice stand up. I think he cruises tonight.
Also have some half unit plays on Kid and Griffin. Mike Pierce is probably a safe bet as well, but I don't want to lay -250.
modogg
Footballguy
Just threw away $45 on:
Quickest KO of the night:
Anderson Silva +900
Paul Taylor +700
Miguel Torres +1500
I think we have discussed these before, and we talked about how the submission prop bets seemed to be the one's that were easier to determine and better bets, but i got caught up i the flurry of putting in some other bets.
And it seems like there is good consensus in this thread with the picks tonight (majority like Jones, Silva, Griffin if i remember correctly). Hoping these 3 all have good nights, along with some Paul taylor, Kingsbury, Omiogawa, and whatever other random bets are out there
Quickest KO of the night:
Anderson Silva +900
Paul Taylor +700
Miguel Torres +1500
I think we have discussed these before, and we talked about how the submission prop bets seemed to be the one's that were easier to determine and better bets, but i got caught up i the flurry of putting in some other bets.
And it seems like there is good consensus in this thread with the picks tonight (majority like Jones, Silva, Griffin if i remember correctly). Hoping these 3 all have good nights, along with some Paul taylor, Kingsbury, Omiogawa, and whatever other random bets are out there
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Bader/Jones is far more likely to go the distance than Silva/Belfort imo. The most obvious reason is the fewer rounds but I also think, and what seems to be the consensus, is that Belfort will mentally check out the longer this goes. With all the hype this fight is getting in Brazil and with Silva's attitude at the weigh-in you gotta think he'll really be looking to finish this one with a KO. I'm pretty certain we see the Silva that fought Franklin/Leben/Forrest instead of the one that fought Sonnen/Maia/Leites. As I said earlier, I don't see how Bader finishes Jones. Maybe if he gets a quick takedown and lands a big bomb leading to a tko but thats it. His standup is pretty basic with his overhand right being his bread & butter. If Jones keeps the distance properly, no way that lands. The only question for me in this fight is if Jones can finish him. If it is a wrestling match early, they may both tire and we get a decision. If it stays standing for long enough, Bader gets KO'd.
BigJohn
Footballguy
Typical White Guy
Footballguy
I'm watching on SopcastOh, and ATDHE is back up on an alt site (but no UFC on there that I could find)
modogg
Footballguy
pretty nasty crowd for this Torres-Benuelos fight. Funny how the crowds used to boo horribly bad in the early days of the UFC, then in the beginning of the TUF run they got a lot better, and in the last year or so they seem to have gotten pretty bad again. I know there was a difference between the UFC i attended in newark (87 maybe) and then again for 101 in Philly. funny how that works, it will be hard for MMA to get a good mainstream push when the people paying for your product sit in the crowd and boo the whole time
HellToupee
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
fight sucked donkey balls
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Hard to defend that fight. It deserved the boos.If you don't want to do anything with a guy with a 13 inch reach adv, don't take the fight.
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Quez
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HellToupee
Footballguy
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Bones will be a champion within 12 months
edit: Looks like sooner than that!
edit: Looks like sooner than that!
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Footballguy
Dude is a beast. TOWERS over Shogun.
modogg
Footballguy
Bones will be a champion within 12 monthsedit: Looks like sooner than that!
that was a good call there Ahrn, are they going to try and have that match on the 19th of March to replace the original? Giving Jones a month to train for Shogun is a bit of a task, and i know the Jones hype train will give a pretty crappy line to get Jones at
modogg
Footballguy
and i guess we'll see sean McCorkle fighting i the UFC again pretty soon with them plastering his face on the camera when everybody comes out. the guy looks like such a goofball, i wonder who they will give him
unloaded quite a bit on Anderson inside distance (even) and Silva by decision (+300), could be a gruesome night if Silva doesn't win
ETA:
Didn't have to sweat that one too bad.
I was all about jumping on GSP in their upcoming fight, but whatever i take it will be light
unloaded quite a bit on Anderson inside distance (even) and Silva by decision (+300), could be a gruesome night if Silva doesn't winETA:
Didn't have to sweat that one too bad.I was all about jumping on GSP in their upcoming fight, but whatever i take it will be light
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I love GSP but I have no idea how he would beat Silva. Definitely not in the standup and he isn't going to ground'n'pound him out or submit him. So it would have to be laying on him for 3 of 5. Just don't see it happening.and i guess we'll see sean McCorkle fighting i the UFC again pretty soon with them plastering his face on the camera when everybody comes out. the guy looks like such a goofball, i wonder who they will give him
ETA:
I was all about jumping on GSP in their upcoming fight, but whatever i take it will be light
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Have you not seen GSP fight against any decent striker?I love GSP but I have no idea how he would beat Silva. Definitely not in the standup and he isn't going to ground'n'pound him out or submit him. So it would have to be laying on him for 3 of 5. Just don't see it happening.and i guess we'll see sean McCorkle fighting i the UFC again pretty soon with them plastering his face on the camera when everybody comes out. the guy looks like such a goofball, i wonder who they will give him
ETA:
I was all about jumping on GSP in their upcoming fight, but whatever i take it will be light
Sebowski
Footballguy
Not one with 4-5 inches and 30 pounds on him, no.Have you not seen GSP fight against any decent striker?I love GSP but I have no idea how he would beat Silva. Definitely not in the standup and he isn't going to ground'n'pound him out or submit him. So it would have to be laying on him for 3 of 5. Just don't see it happening.and i guess we'll see sean McCorkle fighting i the UFC again pretty soon with them plastering his face on the camera when everybody comes out. the guy looks like such a goofball, i wonder who they will give him
ETA:Didn't have to sweat that one too bad.
I was all about jumping on GSP in their upcoming fight, but whatever i take it will be light
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Before the Jones/Bader fight I said to the group was with that Jon Jones would be a champion within a year which was roundly accepted by jeers and jokes
Then the fight happened
Jones might be the best athlete in MMA history
I think he beats a rusty Shogun
Then the fight happened
Jones might be the best athlete in MMA history
I think he beats a rusty Shogun
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
And a pretty sick BJJ game to go along with the best striking ever.Not one with 4-5 inches and 30 pounds on him, no.Have you not seen GSP fight against any decent striker?I love GSP but I have no idea how he would beat Silva. Definitely not in the standup and he isn't going to ground'n'pound him out or submit him. So it would have to be laying on him for 3 of 5. Just don't see it happening.and i guess we'll see sean McCorkle fighting i the UFC again pretty soon with them plastering his face on the camera when everybody comes out. the guy looks like such a goofball, i wonder who they will give him
ETA:
I was all about jumping on GSP in their upcoming fight, but whatever i take it will be light
modogg
Footballguy
i think quite a few here agree that the Jones hype is deserved, i'm just pissed the sportsbooks are all over the hype too. and as for best athlete, he certainly is one of them, but there are quite a few, especially with some of the ex-NFL players coming. Herschel deserves a nod for what he can do at his age, but when i think best athlete i would lean possibly GSP or Jose Aldo. i assume the clips are around the internet but GSP has some nice one's and i still like Jose Aldo's kicking the soccer ball through the basketball hoop
slayer666
Footballguy
Agreed. Silva has the entire skill set of GSP, plus he will outweigh him by 15-20 pounds on the night of the fight.
modogg
Footballguy
and i mentioned this on the UFC 126 thread, but i think we should give some thanks to Scott Coker and Strikeforce for helping to make GSP-Silva possible. i have to think that Dana was getting annoyed hearing about the Strikeforce HWY tournament, and knowing he would be asked about it throughout this year, he had to change his stance on the GSP-Silva fight to get the MMA universe talking about this for awhile. This fight will be one of those once in a lifetime fights, because there really has not been a chance to see the #1 and #2 pound for pound guys in a sport go at each other (when both are in their primes and not over the hill) to truly determine the #1 guy. Not sure if we will get a chance to see it again.
modogg
Footballguy
well hopefully the sportsbooks feel the same way and GSP opens as a nice underdog. GSP has some legit stand-up, and it is likely that GSP could be quicker on his feet and have a bit of a boxing clinic like he did against Koscheck. Of course this won't happen because Silva is very dangerous on his feet. I am just thankful we can have these discussions and they are not all hypothetical like most of these conversations are (e.g. the discussions with Fedor vs. anybody in the UFC).And I can't even imagine the hate that would be directed jake Shields way if he happens to beat GSP in their upcoming fight. the gu7y has won 11 in a row (or whatever it is)....
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Seeing Jones -165 vs Shogun +135. As awesome as Jones is, I'll be on Shogun for this number.
modogg
Footballguy
I'm not sure if this is what the line opened up at, but I am surprised to see Bones as the favorite:
03/19/11 601 Jon Jones
-165
23:59 ET Mauricio Rua
+135
The line has to be influenced by the Jones hype right now, considering Shogun dismantled Machida like he did after people considered Machida almost unbeatable. Considering how young Jones is and how he is getting thrown into this fight with 6 weeks to prepare on such a huge stage with a lot of pressure, seems quite dismissive of Shogun's career
ETA: wow Cliff, we must have caught that at the same time or something.
03/19/11 601 Jon Jones
-165
23:59 ET Mauricio Rua
+135
The line has to be influenced by the Jones hype right now, considering Shogun dismantled Machida like he did after people considered Machida almost unbeatable. Considering how young Jones is and how he is getting thrown into this fight with 6 weeks to prepare on such a huge stage with a lot of pressure, seems quite dismissive of Shogun's career
ETA: wow Cliff, we must have caught that at the same time or something.
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Corporation
Angry Bovine
I love GSP and can't stand Anderson's theatrics, but my money goes on Silva. Silva's striking is a one person tier, no one else is in it. GSP is a great grappler but giving up that much weight I don't think he'll be able to keep Silva on the ground. Would love to see the fight, especially if GSP finishes what Sonnen didn't. I think it stands a chance to be a boring fight though, as Silva will do his customary circle the ring for 2 minutes before engaging. If GSP does take him down early but doesn't deliver much punishment, the later rounds may play out where GSP knows to not make a mistake like Sonnen, resulting in a lack of action. Build up to this fight would be like none we've ever seen in MMA.
modogg
Footballguy
According to Joey Odessa and bloodyelbow.com:
Anderson Silva -240 vs. Georges St. Pierre +190
I haven't looked for it yet or seen it, but if that is the line, hello GSP as a dog again!!
it won't be a heavy bet, but that line is way too inviting to not put money on GSP.
ETA: and a quick note on the size difference because a lot of people are making a big deal out of it. GSP regularly trains with Rashad, and Nate Marquardt. the word is GSp holds his own just fine with those 2
Anderson Silva -240 vs. Georges St. Pierre +190
I haven't looked for it yet or seen it, but if that is the line, hello GSP as a dog again!!
it won't be a heavy bet, but that line is way too inviting to not put money on GSP.
ETA: and a quick note on the size difference because a lot of people are making a big deal out of it. GSP regularly trains with Rashad, and Nate Marquardt. the word is GSp holds his own just fine with those 2
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