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[hooter311]

In southpaw vs orthodox their lead legs are going to match, making it harder for Chad to shoot and easier for Conor to get his angles striking. I have a feeling he is going to come out like an absolute madman and count on the art of attraction being on his side.

 

[modogg]

In southpaw vs orthodox their lead legs are going to match, making it harder for Chad to shoot and easier for Conor to get his angles striking. I have a feeling he is going to come out like an absolute madman and count on the art of attraction being on his side.

i thought that was how it went. and if i remember it is somewhat significant too. i was just rooting for a good fight before, but with this match-up, and no disrespect to Mendes, but i hope McGreggor wins. the amount of trash talking after he wins may be more insufferable than those AKA guys, but it will set-up for much better fights in the future of the division

 

[hooter311]

McGregor by KO round 1 and they will never get him back in the Octagon for the interview, a la Aldo in Brazil vs Chad the first time. Althought this will be 100x crazier featuring actual crowd surfing. Dana White while start the presser with the biggest #### grin you've ever seen saying "Well, we won't be doing that ever again." It would be an all time MMA moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaWVGSpSqIo

And here I was 3 weeks ago trying to get my entire account on Aldo.

 

[hooter311]

In southpaw vs orthodox their lead legs are going to match, making it harder for Chad to shoot and easier for Conor to get his angles striking. I have a feeling he is going to come out like an absolute madman and count on the art of attraction being on his side.

i thought that was how it went. and if i remember it is somewhat significant too. i was just rooting for a good fight before, but with this match-up, and no disrespect to Mendes, but i hope McGreggor wins. the amount of trash talking after he wins may be more insufferable than those AKA guys, but it will set-up for much better fights in the future of the division

Let the bros be bros!

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

man Dana does not always need to comment. way to throw Jose under the bus here when you are having trouble finding stars:

"Jose Aldo's pulled out of five title fights. Conor McGregor's ready to go, the no.1 guy in the world, Chad Mendes, is ready to go, so it makes sense. They'll fight for the interim title and whenever Jose Aldo is ready, then that fight can happen to unify it," White remarked, explaining the rationale for his decision.

"It's his decision," White said of Aldo. "I definitely don't feel great about it. We spent a lot of money promoting this fight. A lot of people are excited about the fight, so it's definitely disappointing."

Dana can't resist the jabs when it involves loads of money leaving his pocket. Can't imagine the amount they lost on it. McGregor wins & the fight does even more buys with a unification fight.

And also makes McGregor beat a Top 5 fighter before getting a shot at the best in the world.

 

[NewlyRetired]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

1.3 million would have put it second all time behind I think only UFC 100

 

[hooter311]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

1.3 million would have put it second all time behind I think only UFC 100

UFC 100 was also on July 11th

 

[Coeur de Lion]

While I agree that Aldo is likely the p4p best fighter in the world, I actually think that Mendes is likely a much tougher fight for McGregor, even given short notice. Mendes via UD by takedowns / top control IMO. Wrestling is typically a huge weakness of non-Russian Europeans until they spend a few years in a top camp getting it up to speed, and the way that the UFC has matched up McGregor screams that they've been protecting the new cash cow to get him to the huge payday with Aldo. Guess we'll see.

 

[hooter311]

Conor has 8" of reach on Chad with a strong jab. That is going to the be the game changer. I don't think Conor can hang with Chad for 5 rounds either. He will look to do damage early and often.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Conor has 8" of reach on Chad with a strong jab. That is going to the be the game changer. I don't think Conor can hang with Chad for 5 rounds either. He will look to do damage early and often.

It'll be interesting for sure. Mendes hung in with Aldo standup-wise in their last fight, and IMO can also knock McGregor out cleanly if he catches him -- particularly if he can get McGregor's hands down to defend the shot.

I definitely might be underestimating McGregor -- he's walked right through some legit fighters, but I just see a world of difference between the "solid" Siver / Poirier tier and the big time studs out of Alpha Male and Nova Uniao. Until I see McGregor hang with an elite grappler that's going to be a massive question mark for me. We'll know soon enough.

 

[Joe T]

 

[BustedKnuckles]

McGregor is gonna IRA his ###...drop bombs all night long

 

[modogg]

whew caught this in time. spoiler for TUF tonight:

Spoiler

man, if that Jason Jackson guy had just a bit more power he would be really good. fun fiight. hope blackzillians win after all of this, but that Hader dude is good. i forget who i think the Blackzillians will use, but it should be a good fight. advantage to Blackzillians knowing it is that Hader kid

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Not that I doubted Aldo for a second. (He has nothing to gain by faking a broken rib and pulling out). While Dr. Dana (who has spent millions on promotion) claims it's a bruise.

Who are these 'several doctors'? Seuss? Besides in the UFC's pocket?

So Aldo now provides the Xrays. Now will the bald fat #### shut his trap and let fighters manage their own careers.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jose-aldo-critical-of-ufc-189-interim-title-fight--mocks-conor-mcgregor-again-021411532-mma.html

 

[fantasycurse42]

Not that I doubted Aldo for a second. (He has nothing to gain by faking a broken rib and pulling out). While Dr. Dana (who has spent millions on promotion) claims it's a bruise.

Who are these 'several doctors'? Seuss? Besides in the UFC's pocket?

So Aldo now provides the Xrays. Now will the bald fat #### shut his trap and let fighters manage their own careers.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jose-aldo-critical-of-ufc-189-interim-title-fight--mocks-conor-mcgregor-again-021411532-mma.html

No chance he faked an injury. There isn't a single reason he would walk away from this one.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

whew caught this in time. spoiler for TUF tonight:

Spoiler

man, if that Jason Jackson guy had just a bit more power he would be really good. fun fiight. hope blackzillians win after all of this, but that Hader dude is good. i forget who i think the Blackzillians will use, but it should be a good fight. advantage to Blackzillians knowing it is that Hader kid

Spoiler

All his bit¢hing was whiny bull####.. He nutkicked the guy and it should have been time called. Loved seeing Glen have his little meltdown. #### that guy.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

promotional considerations paid in part from the COOL STORY BRO foundation:

I just spent an hour this afternoon on a treadmill. On the treadmill next to me was Brian Stann.

 

[modogg]

promotional considerations paid in part from the COOL STORY BRO foundation:

I just spent an hour this afternoon on a treadmill. On the treadmill next to me was Brian Stann.

so....did you ask him anything? should have checked in when you were there we could have given you some good questions.

1) Does he ever get sick of having to talk about the armed forces over and over

2) what did he think about his fight with Wandy?

3) who in the UFC is the biggest ****?

 

[modogg]

whew caught this in time. spoiler for TUF tonight:

Spoiler

man, if that Jason Jackson guy had just a bit more power he would be really good. fun fiight. hope blackzillians win after all of this, but that Hader dude is good. i forget who i think the Blackzillians will use, but it should be a good fight. advantage to Blackzillians knowing it is that Hader kid

Spoiler

All his bit¢hing was whiny bull####.. He nutkicked the guy and it should have been time called. Loved seeing Glen have his little meltdown. #### that guy.

so, what is the match-up for next week? i have to think they use Hadar, but who do the Blackzillians put in. I am trying to think of who they have left, that young guy (i forget his name). Not sure who else they want to trumpet as their #1.

and fun way to end the season too in that the coaches at the end of the season get to pick the fighter to fight at the TUF finale. I like the season and would like to see them do more of them. Haven't seen anything about the ratings, but my guess is they are probably the same as they have been. I know i get sucked into watching the show when it is on. Seeing what is on TV these days and on my DVR, i would watch TUF China in sub-titles over 98% of what is on

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

promotional considerations paid in part from the COOL STORY BRO foundation:

I just spent an hour this afternoon on a treadmill. On the treadmill next to me was Brian Stann.

so....did you ask him anything? should have checked in when you were there we could have given you some good questions.

1) Does he ever get sick of having to talk about the armed forces over and over

2) what did he think about his fight with Wandy?

3) who in the UFC is the biggest ****?

funny you said that, I almost posted "I am jogging next to brian stann, now taking questions"

No, he was jogging at a pretty good clip before I realized who he was. I'm not going to interrupt his workout to be a fan. I was going to say hi if I saw him afterwards, but I didn't. He put 20 or 30 mins in and headed over to weights, and I didn't see him again.

 

[modogg]

promotional considerations paid in part from the COOL STORY BRO foundation:

I just spent an hour this afternoon on a treadmill. On the treadmill next to me was Brian Stann.

so....did you ask him anything? should have checked in when you were there we could have given you some good questions.

1) Does he ever get sick of having to talk about the armed forces over and over

2) what did he think about his fight with Wandy?

3) who in the UFC is the biggest ****?

funny you said that, I almost posted "I am jogging next to brian stann, now taking questions"

No, he was jogging at a pretty good clip before I realized who he was. I'm not going to interrupt his workout to be a fan. I was going to say hi if I saw him afterwards, but I didn't. He put 20 or 30 mins in and headed over to weights, and I didn't see him again.

yeah, that is the right call. But, shark move would have been to end your run a little early, get off the treadmill and slap Stann in his the a$$ and tell him "good job soldier" before moving on

 

[EYLive]

whew caught this in time. spoiler for TUF tonight:

Spoiler

man, if that Jason Jackson guy had just a bit more power he would be really good. fun fiight. hope blackzillians win after all of this, but that Hader dude is good. i forget who i think the Blackzillians will use, but it should be a good fight. advantage to Blackzillians knowing it is that Hader kid

Spoiler

All his bit¢hing was whiny bull####.. He nutkicked the guy and it should have been time called. Loved seeing Glen have his little meltdown. #### that guy.

so, what is the match-up for next week? i have to think they use Hadar, but who do the Blackzillians put in. I am trying to think of who they have left, that young guy (i forget his name). Not sure who else they want to trumpet as their #1.

and fun way to end the season too in that the coaches at the end of the season get to pick the fighter to fight at the TUF finale. I like the season and would like to see them do more of them. Haven't seen anything about the ratings, but my guess is they are probably the same as they have been. I know i get sucked into watching the show when it is on. Seeing what is on TV these days and on my DVR, i would watch TUF China in sub-titles over 98% of what is on

That was an insane fight. 95% of the time the ref steps in in that situation. Great comeback.

I think Usman is chosen to fight for a 3rd time vs Hadar with everything on the line.

 

[Bobcat10]

whew caught this in time. spoiler for TUF tonight:

Spoiler

man, if that Jason Jackson guy had just a bit more power he would be really good. fun fiight. hope blackzillians win after all of this, but that Hader dude is good. i forget who i think the Blackzillians will use, but it should be a good fight. advantage to Blackzillians knowing it is that Hader kid

Spoiler

All his bit¢hing was whiny bull####.. He nutkicked the guy and it should have been time called. Loved seeing Glen have his little meltdown. #### that guy.

so, what is the match-up for next week? i have to think they use Hadar, but who do the Blackzillians put in. I am trying to think of who they have left, that young guy (i forget his name). Not sure who else they want to trumpet as their #1.

and fun way to end the season too in that the coaches at the end of the season get to pick the fighter to fight at the TUF finale. I like the season and would like to see them do more of them. Haven't seen anything about the ratings, but my guess is they are probably the same as they have been. I know i get sucked into watching the show when it is on. Seeing what is on TV these days and on my DVR, i would watch TUF China in sub-titles over 98% of what is on

That was an insane fight. 95% of the time the ref steps in in that situation. Great comeback.

I think Usman is chosen to fight for a 3rd time vs Hadar with everything on the line.

Yep crazy fight. Glad it's come down to the last one for all the marbles. If I had to peg it, I'd say that ref had some instructions to have a super long leash with Graves. But with the nutshot, fence grab, and hitting the back of the head....I think it worked out the way it should have.

Also found it hilarious during the house clips that the BZ fighter was denying grabbing the cage multiple times during his fight. That's the real shady kind of fence grabbing too, it was blatently on purpose and not a reactionary move. ATT dudes are like go watch the tape and report back.

 

[jamil]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

1.3 million would have put it second all time behind I think only UFC 100

More of a boxing fan and not a huge ufc fan so am sincerely asking... As a PPV fight, how does the #1 PFP only make 5 million for a fight?

I've seen some of their purses when I watch a fight and see guys are taking home 30k. Where does all the money go? Seems like there's a ppv every month.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

random question -- has the "no grabbing the fence" rule with regard to feet and toes changed? or is it being enforced more? I swear you used to see people 'cage walk' (on their back, trying to sweep, grab the chain links with their toes and walk their feet up to then try to buck or flip the guy on top) all the time and the refs never did anything. Now it seems like the past 6-12 months referees are all NO GRABBING THE FENCE WITH YOUR FEET.

am I imagining ####, or has anyone else noticed this?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

1.3 million would have put it second all time behind I think only UFC 100

More of a boxing fan and not a huge ufc fan so am sincerely asking... As a PPV fight, how does the #1 PFP only make 5 million for a fight?

I've seen some of their purses when I watch a fight and see guys are taking home 30k. Where does all the money go? Seems like there's a ppv every month.

He's the #1PFP but he's been a horrible PPV draw. Fight nerds love him, casual fans barely know who he is. He has been fighting in the US for over 7 years now, and been UFC champion for 4 or 5 years (depending on how you view the WEC belt promotions / vs actually defending it as a UFC belt) and I've never heard him speak a word of English. Which, is completely his prerogative, but absolutely hurts his marketability, which by proxy hurts his earning power.

 

[jamil]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

1.3 million would have put it second all time behind I think only UFC 100

More of a boxing fan and not a huge ufc fan so am sincerely asking... As a PPV fight, how does the #1 PFP only make 5 million for a fight?I've seen some of their purses when I watch a fight and see guys are taking home 30k. Where does all the money go? Seems like there's a ppv every month.

He's the #1PFP but he's been a horrible PPV draw. Fight nerds love him, casual fans barely know who he is. He has been fighting in the US for over 7 years now, and been UFC champion for 4 or 5 years (depending on how you view the WEC belt promotions / vs actually defending it as a UFC belt) and I've never heard him speak a word of English. Which, is completely his prerogative, but absolutely hurts his marketability, which by proxy hurts his earning power.

How about Jon Jones? Are his career earnings really only 3.6 mill?

http://mma-manifesto.com/ufc-fighter-salary-database/salary-main/ufc-career-fighter-earnings.html

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

1.3 million would have put it second all time behind I think only UFC 100

More of a boxing fan and not a huge ufc fan so am sincerely asking... As a PPV fight, how does the #1 PFP only make 5 million for a fight?I've seen some of their purses when I watch a fight and see guys are taking home 30k. Where does all the money go? Seems like there's a ppv every month.

He's the #1PFP but he's been a horrible PPV draw. Fight nerds love him, casual fans barely know who he is. He has been fighting in the US for over 7 years now, and been UFC champion for 4 or 5 years (depending on how you view the WEC belt promotions / vs actually defending it as a UFC belt) and I've never heard him speak a word of English. Which, is completely his prerogative, but absolutely hurts his marketability, which by proxy hurts his earning power.

How about Jon Jones? Are his career earnings really only 3.6 mill?http://mma-manifesto.com/ufc-fighter-salary-database/salary-main/ufc-career-fighter-earnings.html

That won't include their take from the PPV. GSP was rumored to get about $3-4M a fight.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

1.3 million would have put it second all time behind I think only UFC 100

More of a boxing fan and not a huge ufc fan so am sincerely asking... As a PPV fight, how does the #1 PFP only make 5 million for a fight?I've seen some of their purses when I watch a fight and see guys are taking home 30k. Where does all the money go? Seems like there's a ppv every month.

He's the #1PFP but he's been a horrible PPV draw. Fight nerds love him, casual fans barely know who he is. He has been fighting in the US for over 7 years now, and been UFC champion for 4 or 5 years (depending on how you view the WEC belt promotions / vs actually defending it as a UFC belt) and I've never heard him speak a word of English. Which, is completely his prerogative, but absolutely hurts his marketability, which by proxy hurts his earning power.

How about Jon Jones? Are his career earnings really only 3.6 mill?

http://mma-manifesto.com/ufc-fighter-salary-database/salary-main/ufc-career-fighter-earnings.html

Not a chance. Those are his reported purse and bonus winnings, but don't included PPV share #s nor endorsements. By my quick math, since jones won the title, he has main-evented in UFC PPVs that have a cumulative 4.6m buyrate. At ~$3 per, that’s roughly $15M, and remember prior to him turning into a coke sniffing DUI-ing hit-n-run cool guy he had deals with gatorade and nike.

so that $3.6M is very likely a lot closer to $20M. Still not boxing money but nothing to shake a stick at either. Boxing PPVs still crush MMA on a butyrate comparison. UFC has had only 3 events ever break 1M buys, and it’s a rare event when boxing sees less than 700K buys. The UFC has had 13 PPV events sell less than 250k in the past 3 years, including a miserable 4 in a row (UFC177—>180 sold 125k, 205k, 180k, 185k). the highest UFC gate in history didn’t top $7M. boxing has had 19 events in the last 20 years that have done better than $10M at the gate, and Money/Paq pulled a $72M gate.

So yeah, there are a lot more events now. But as people in this thread have complained about, they feel a lot more watered down and people clearly are not as interested as they used to be. Perhaps the year-end tallies are working out for them but on a per-event basis are clearly in decline.

 

[jamil]

Don't want to keep quoting but thanks for clearing that up. Shocked that only 3 events have gone over 700k buys, especially given the popularity. Its all the "bros" talk about around here.

 

[EYLive]

random question -- has the "no grabbing the fence" rule with regard to feet and toes changed? or is it being enforced more? I swear you used to see people 'cage walk' (on their back, trying to sweep, grab the chain links with their toes and walk their feet up to then try to buck or flip the guy on top) all the time and the refs never did anything. Now it seems like the past 6-12 months referees are all NO GRABBING THE FENCE WITH YOUR FEET.

am I imagining ####, or has anyone else noticed this?

I've noticed this also.I thought attempting to sweep from the bottom by using the fence with the toes was allowed; guess not.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Don't want to keep quoting but thanks for clearing that up. Shocked that only 3 events have gone over 700k buys, especially given the popularity. Its all the "bros" talk about around here.

and people say boxing is dying lol....MMA will never be as big as boxing is on the big stage

 

[NewlyRetired]

Don't want to keep quoting but thanks for clearing that up. Shocked that only 3 events have gone over 700k buys, especially given the popularity. Its all the "bros" talk about around here.

and people say boxing is dying lol....MMA will never be as big as boxing is on the big stage

I don't know if dying is the right word but I think it is significantly less popular in recent years than it has been in our country's history.

I don't think one should judge the health of a sport on one single big event that occurs every couple of years but more on how the average event does.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Don't want to keep quoting but thanks for clearing that up. Shocked that only 3 events have gone over 700k buys, especially given the popularity. Its all the "bros" talk about around here.

I believe more than 3 events have gone over 700k buysUFC61: 775k

UFC66: 1.05m

UFC79: 750k

UFC91: 1.01m

UFC92: 1m

UFC94: 920k

UFC100: 1.6m

UFC101: 850k

UFC111: 770k

UFC114: 1.05m

UFC116: 1.16m

UFC121: 1.05m

UFC124: 800k

UFC126: 725k

UFC129: 800k

UFC148: 925k

UFC158: 950k

UFC168: 1.025m

UFC182: 780k

Source: http://mma-manifesto.com/ufc-ppv-data/ppv-main/all-time-ufc-ppv-sales-data.html

 

[jamil]

Don't want to keep quoting but thanks for clearing that up. Shocked that only 3 events have gone over 700k buys, especially given the popularity. Its all the "bros" talk about around here.

I believe more than 3 events have gone over 700k buysUFC61: 775k

UFC66: 1.05m

UFC79: 750k

UFC91: 1.01m

UFC92: 1m

UFC94: 920k

UFC100: 1.6m

UFC101: 850k

UFC111: 770k

UFC114: 1.05m

UFC116: 1.16m

UFC121: 1.05m

UFC124: 800k

UFC126: 725k

UFC129: 800k

UFC148: 925k

UFC158: 950k

UFC168: 1.025m

UFC182: 780k

Source: http://mma-manifesto.com/ufc-ppv-data/ppv-main/all-time-ufc-ppv-sales-data.html

You're right.. I got the 1m and 700k mixed up

 

[NewlyRetired]

Don't want to keep quoting but thanks for clearing that up. Shocked that only 3 events have gone over 700k buys, especially given the popularity. Its all the "bros" talk about around here.

I believe more than 3 events have gone over 700k buysUFC61: 775k

UFC66: 1.05m

UFC79: 750k

UFC91: 1.01m

UFC92: 1m

UFC94: 920k

UFC100: 1.6m

UFC101: 850k

UFC111: 770k

UFC114: 1.05m

UFC116: 1.16m

UFC121: 1.05m

UFC124: 800k

UFC126: 725k

UFC129: 800k

UFC148: 925k

UFC158: 950k

UFC168: 1.025m

UFC182: 780k

Source: http://mma-manifesto.com/ufc-ppv-data/ppv-main/all-time-ufc-ppv-sales-data.html

You're right.. I got the 1m and 700k mixed up

I am not sure where the only 3 were greater than $1m stat came from either. The stats I listed above show 7 above a million and another one right at a million.

The source I used could easily be wrong though.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Don't want to keep quoting but thanks for clearing that up. Shocked that only 3 events have gone over 700k buys, especially given the popularity. Its all the "bros" talk about around here.

and people say boxing is dying lol....MMA will never be as big as boxing is on the big stage

I don't know if dying is the right word but I think it is significantly less popular in recent years than it has been in our country's history.

I don't think one should judge the health of a sport on one single big event that occurs every couple of years but more on how the average event does.

many many people who aren't fans of boxing regularly say that boxing is a dying sport....boxing was only down for a while because of the promoters screwing things up...greed has a way of destroying everything...now we are seeing a resurgence in boxing with more fighters with great talent getting public mainstream attention with the free boxing cards on major networks...its all ebb and flow...its rising again ...and yes ,boxings PPV`s are HUGE compared to MMA`s ...it just is was it is

 

[Sebowski]

What does a non-Maywether or Pac ppv draw? What about TV ratings?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What does a non-Maywether or Pac ppv draw? What about TV ratings?

i dont know without looking it up...feel free and get back to me...like i aid MMA is pretty popular right now ...although i see a decline in its popularity lately...the problem is the best fighters are still on showtime and HBO for the most part...im guessing they have gret numbers ...the free boxing on NBC and spike are growing in popularity...like the days when wide world of sports would televise guys like Hagler and boom boom mancini in tremendous fights ...get back to me after the summer when we get to see even better free cards ...but ill promise you this ...when Canelo fights Cotto the numbers will beat any ufc numbers to date

 

[NewlyRetired]

...and yes ,boxings PPV`s are HUGE compared to MMA`s ...it just is was it is

The May=Paq fight was off the charts huge, but that is not the norm historically

Here are boxing 11 highest PPV's of all time. The average boxing PPV obviously draws significantly less than these. A majority of these best numbers are from more than 13 years ago.

Mayweather vs Pacquiao: 4.4m

Mayweather vs Oscar De La Hoya (May 2007): 2.48m

Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez (September 2013): 2.2M

Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II (June 1997): 1.9m

Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis (June 2002): 1.9m

Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield I (November 1996): 1.6m

Mike Tyson vs Peter McNeeley (August 1995): 1.55m

Mayweather vs Shane Mosely (May 2010): 1.44m

Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Trinidad (September 1999): 1.4m

Evander Holyfield vs George Foreman (April 1991): 1.4m

Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez III (November 2011): 1.25m

Here is an article from a couple of years ago that shows the point of the average boxing PPV vs the very rare super fights

Boxing's top stars are the kings, but UFC was most consistent on PPV

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/2/3938504/boxing-top-stars-are-the-kings-but-ufc-most-consistent-on-ppv-in-2012

 

[modogg]

What does a non-Maywether or Pac ppv draw? What about TV ratings?

i dont know without looking it up...feel free and get back to me...like i aid MMA is pretty popular right now ...although i see a decline in its popularity lately...the problem is the best fighters are still on showtime and HBO for the most part...im guessing they have gret numbers ...the free boxing on NBC and spike are growing in popularity...like the days when wide world of sports would televise guys like Hagler and boom boom mancini in tremendous fights ...get back to me after the summer when we get to see even better free cards ...but ill promise you this ...when Canelo fights Cotto the numbers will beat any ufc numbers to date

for the life of me, i will never understand why people feel the need to make it MMA vs. boxing. I remember when they had MMA vs. Pro Wrestling in the beginning too. Weird how no other sports need to do this.

i am a fan of both, but MMA has surpassed boxing in terms of popularity for awhile. We can discuss PPV numbers, but looking at exposure through sports media or general entertainment MMA has surpassed boxing for some time. Looking at late night shows people like Rousey and McGreggor are on all the time. Mayweather and Paq can get to that level of mainstream exposure, but no one else in boxing can break that kind of exposure. Sponsorships with the UFC, as much as people want to disect them, put the UFC at a higher level too.

I am glad boxing got a bump from the Paq-Mayweather fight, but i don't see it sustaining. the free cards on Spike debuted great, then the next week i think had half the previous ratings and it keeps going down. It is a shame, but boxing doesn't have a unified voice like the UFC to push it correctly. i just think it will be back to niche until it can get better organized and promoted correctly

 

[NewlyRetired]

I still think it is a mistake to look at one rare event and extrapolate that for a whole sport.

We are a big event based country when it comes to viewing tendencies.

The Womens World Cup fina tomorrow is predicted to draw between 18-20 million viewers. No one in their right mind would call women's soccer popular even though those viewing numbers for the one event say that it is.

Similar to horse racing, 22 million people watched the Belmont Stakes but I think we all know that does not define the popularity of horse racing.

I believe what defines the true base of popularity of a sport is what it does day in and day out with attendance and tv ratings, not what it does when it has the rare big event.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What does a non-Maywether or Pac ppv draw? What about TV ratings?

i dont know without looking it up...feel free and get back to me...like i aid MMA is pretty popular right now ...although i see a decline in its popularity lately...the problem is the best fighters are still on showtime and HBO for the most part...im guessing they have gret numbers ...the free boxing on NBC and spike are growing in popularity...like the days when wide world of sports would televise guys like Hagler and boom boom mancini in tremendous fights ...get back to me after the summer when we get to see even better free cards ...but ill promise you this ...when Canelo fights Cotto the numbers will beat any ufc numbers to date

for the life of me, i will never understand why people feel the need to make it MMA vs. boxing. I remember when they had MMA vs. Pro Wrestling in the beginning too. Weird how no other sports need to do this.

i am a fan of both, but MMA has surpassed boxing in terms of popularity for awhile. We can discuss PPV numbers, but looking at exposure through sports media or general entertainment MMA has surpassed boxing for some time. Looking at late night shows people like Rousey and McGreggor are on all the time. Mayweather and Paq can get to that level of mainstream exposure, but no one else in boxing can break that kind of exposure. Sponsorships with the UFC, as much as people want to disect them, put the UFC at a higher level too.

I am glad boxing got a bump from the Paq-Mayweather fight, but i don't see it sustaining. the free cards on Spike debuted great, then the next week i think had half the previous ratings and it keeps going down. It is a shame, but boxing doesn't have a unified voice like the UFC to push it correctly. i just think it will be back to niche until it can get better organized and promoted correctly

its a discussion thats been around for a while...good -bad -right or wrong...being a lifelong boxing fan and having boxed years ago i get defensive when people say its a dying sport...that wasn't said here in this discussion ...i brought it up ...just trying to make a point...i enjoy MMA almost as much as boxing...its a combat sport and i respect it immensely...Dana White is a promoting genius ...im hoping as the don kings and bob arums of the boxing world fade away and guys like Oscar De la hoya start taking over things will get better for boxing...MMA has been the new kid on the block for some years now ...but the old guy on the block is still around and making noise

 

[jamil]

Don't want to keep quoting but thanks for clearing that up. Shocked that only 3 events have gone over 700k buys, especially given the popularity. Its all the "bros" talk about around here.

I believe more than 3 events have gone over 700k buysUFC61: 775k

UFC66: 1.05m

UFC79: 750k

UFC91: 1.01m

UFC92: 1m

UFC94: 920k

UFC100: 1.6m

UFC101: 850k

UFC111: 770k

UFC114: 1.05m

UFC116: 1.16m

UFC121: 1.05m

UFC124: 800k

UFC126: 725k

UFC129: 800k

UFC148: 925k

UFC158: 950k

UFC168: 1.025m

UFC182: 780k

Source: http://mma-manifesto.com/ufc-ppv-data/ppv-main/all-time-ufc-ppv-sales-data.html

You're right.. I got the 1m and 700k mixed up

I am not sure where the only 3 were greater than $1m stat came from either. The stats I listed above show 7 above a million and another one right at a million.

The source I used could easily be wrong though.

I was just going by what AhrncityPander was telling me, you'll have to take up his numbers with him. :jordanshrug:

Anyways, who we betting on for 189 hooter?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I can go dig for the list I was using but it's not tremendously different. Change my statement from

"UFC has had only 3 events ever break 1M buys"

to

"UFC has had only 2 events ever break 1.07M buys"

the numbers may be a hair off but the point remains.

Happy 4th, whisky and 'murca to all.

 

[modogg]

i'll take MMA pranks over boxing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkW8XW5mT3U

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Gilbert Melendez pissed hot from UFC 188, suspended for 1 year

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So who`s dishing out the 50 bucks for Saturday nights fight?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Gilbert Melendez pissed hot from UFC 188, suspended for 1 year

This is getting depressing.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Gilbert Melendez pissed hot from UFC 188, suspended for 1 year

Not a huge punishment really. He's fought less than 2 fights/year (1 fight every 7-8 months) the past 5 years (8). Does look like he tried to sneak in another fight quick against Al Iaquinta next weekend. (now off card obviously)