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Frankie's a great wrestler but he doesn't have Chad's power and athleticism and won't be able to hurt Conor standing. Plus McGregor will be training takedown defense for months leading up to that matchup. Im a big FE fan but I don't see him presenting as tough a challenge as Mendes for Conor.

 
Possum said:
Frankie's a great wrestler but he doesn't have Chad's power and athleticism and won't be able to hurt Conor standing. Plus McGregor will be training takedown defense for months leading up to that matchup. Im a big FE fan but I don't see him presenting as tough a challenge as Mendes for Conor.
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I think you're underestimating Frankie's striking defense and chin there.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Ilov80s said:
Honestly, why not McGregor vs Mayweather? Both guys would make $100 million minimum. I don't think McGregor has a chance, but who doesn't want to see May lose?
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Boxing or MMA?
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No chance in hell Mayweather does MMA. It would have to be boxing. McGregor has no chance to win, but it seems to make sense $ wise. Floyd has nobody left to fight. McGregor would make more in that fight then he could ever make in his entire MMA career.
 
Sebowski said:
Possum said:
Frankie's a great wrestler but he doesn't have Chad's power and athleticism and won't be able to hurt Conor standing. Plus McGregor will be training takedown defense for months leading up to that matchup. Im a big FE fan but I don't see him presenting as tough a challenge as Mendes for Conor.
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I think you're underestimating Frankie's striking defense and chin there.
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I hear ya, but I really don't think I am - Frankie hasnt faced a guy with power like McGregor since Maynard, and he got busted up and nearly KO'ed there. Conor is on a whole different level from Gray in terms of technical striking ability.

Frankie is a great fighter but I just don't think he's going to be a bigger problem for CM than Chad, especially if McGregor has a full camp to prepare for him.

 
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couple post PPV updates:

FOTN: Lawler-MacDonald.
POTN: Almeida and McGregor.

Dana White: “When Rory got backstage, they asked him what year it was and he didn't know.”

Ariel Helwani: “Both Rory and Lawler are off to the hospital.”

Helwani: “Rory MacDonald suffered a fractured nose and fractured right foot, per his coach”



Knee #1

Gunnar Nelson servin up a 2-piece with no biscuit

Knee #2 :

Rory, you got a little something on your….nevermind.

Close of rd 4 in RL/RM :tebow:

ROBBIE FOR Fs SAKE CLOSE YOUR MOUTH

Goodnight, Sweet Chad

 
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Possum said:
Frankie's a great wrestler but he doesn't have Chad's power and athleticism and won't be able to hurt Conor standing. Plus McGregor will be training takedown defense for months leading up to that matchup. Im a big FE fan but I don't see him presenting as tough a challenge as Mendes for Conor.
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Connor has had years to train takedown defense.

 
Possum said:
Frankie's a great wrestler but he doesn't have Chad's power and athleticism and won't be able to hurt Conor standing. Plus McGregor will be training takedown defense for months leading up to that matchup. Im a big FE fan but I don't see him presenting as tough a challenge as Mendes for Conor.
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Agree. Terrible matchup for Frankie, especially when you consider he needs to take a few licks to get the engine revving.

 
Lawler and MacDonald buddies after the fight in the hospital...cool pic

The two men battled through a brutal fight before Lawler prevailed with a fifth round TKO. Lawler suffered a cut lip, bruising and swelling around his right eye, and he had cuts around his neck and face — all typical wounds for someone who just went through nearly 25 minutes of hell inside the octagon.

MacDonald’s injuries were much worse, which is no surprise considering that he lost. His forehead and eyes were swollen and bruised, and his nose was completely disfigured and clearly broken. He still managed to make it through almost the entire fight. Interestingly, all three judges had him leading the fight three rounds to one prior to the TKO:

 
kutta said:
I still can't get over those fights last night. What a great night.
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I thought about coming here and posting the same thing and thought...nah...you're still caught up in the moment.

But after sleeping on it...I am still in awe of what transpired last night with the main card.

Greatest main card in the history of MMA.

Definitely not the best card from top to bottom when you factor prelims, hell that card a couple months ago was better than this one, but the main card on PPV by far the greatest.

And when you consider all that was at stake for the organization, all the complications that arose from the Aldo injury, and all the other changes going on (e.g. uniforms, tv presentation, arena presentation with live music, etc), the organization rolled the dice and came up big.

There are two very important items that I think cannot be overstated enough about last night.

1. First and more importantly with respect to the immediacy of tangible benefits to the organization and sport, is that no matter what anyone says, Conor McGregor passed the test and can now be considered a legitimate fighter and not just a hype creation.

Are there issues and things that people can still nitpick (e.g. Mendes only had two weeks, low hands, questionable take down defense, etc)? Yes.

But, McGregor is now a legitimate contender for the belt and has at least 2 big money fights left and probably more. Had he got crushed by Aldo or Mendes last night than his marketability would have been crushed, to.

So, UFC got a huge payday off the fight last night, can send out McGregor to fight Aldo next and get a huge payday and even if McGregor loses that fight, he will still be a draw for at least a subsequent fight following that.

And I don't think the UFC has to invest the same amount of money to hype the next fight, either, so it will be even more profitable.

2. I really haven't seen much chatter on this and only cursory sort of treatments of the topic, but I don't think people are recognizing how huge this fight was for the UFC with respect to enlarging its audience base with casual fans. Last night my brother and I got together and watched the fight.

Here is what usually happens when there is a decent PPV or Fight Night card.

Him and I watch the fight 90% of the time just by ourselves with our kids running in and out of the room the other 10% of the time maybe watching a little bit.

Last night, him and I watched the fight and we had five other guys who have heard of the UFC or distantly follow the sport. Two women who didn't really watch the first few fights of the card but watched the last two (Lawlor and McGregor) and about 8 kids with 5 of them being boys aged 10-12. They too pretty much ignored the fights until the last two and the living room subsequently turned into a madhouse for the next hour or so during those last fights.

I have no idea what an average PPV buy turns into with respect to estimated viewing audience, but you could put our normal PPV buys with an audience factor of 2-3 people. This PPV had an audience factor of approximately a dozen depending upon how you want to measure/quantify it.

On top of the fight bringing in potentially record PPVs and viewer enthusiasm, and a ####load of new casual fans...the fight lived up to the hype and exposed these fans to what many consider to be the best card in history.

It is almost like the anti-Mayweather/Paquiao fight.

I am getting long-winded here so I will wrap this up with the following.

Do any of you know how much Mendes made on his last fight? And how much he made on this fight?

He made $500,000 minimum on this fight and something like only $50,000 on his last fight. This is not counting the PPV buys that Mendes will get a bonus of some sort for. All the other fighters may have pretty much made what they normally would have made, but got to showcase their skills to a huge audience and ultimately McGregor is making a lot of people outside of himself and the UFC ownership group more money (e.g. his opponent, other fighters by growing viewership and advertising sponsorship dollars, etc).

And moreover, I think the absolute electricity and energy of these chaotic, mind-blowing environments surrounding a Conor McGregor fight trickles down and gets the rest of the card amped up. To have what seemed like a sold-out arena filled to capacity for the first fight of the main event was awesome.

If I am a UFC fighter and begging and clawing to get on the next McGregor card. And if I do not get on it, I am working out like I am in camp for the card leading up to the fight so that I can be ready in case an opportunity via injury opens an opportunity for me to get on the card to fight somebody.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
SIDA! said:
Well, I am pulling for the Big Mac attack of McGregor and MacDonald.

The great thing about these fights is each side has legitimate arguments, strengths and weaknesses, for why their guy should win. I will not be surprised one bit if Mendes and Lawler win. But, here is how I see the Mendes/McGregor fight playing out.

I don't think Mendes can strike with McGregor. McGregor is superior here and on top of the reach advantage he also has the height. I see Mendes getting flustered without being able to get within range.

He will then resort to what he knows best and is his strength. I see him going for the take down and though he might in fact get McGregor to the ground a couple of times I believe McGregor will be able to scramble and get back to his feet quickly. I also think McGregor has some great sprawling ability and again...with his height and reach will be able to stuff most of the take down attempts.

I then see the fight turning into a replay of the Esparza/Jedrzejczyk. In that fight, Esparza could not stand and strike and got toasted. Then stuffed on weak take downs that sapped her energy.

I ultimately see Conor winning by TKO stoppage.

Alternatively, Mendes has great power and though Conor has yet to really get rocked as far as I can recall he has a tendency to drop his hands. If Mendes can drop a bomb on Conor and shake him up there is no telling what might happen.

I hear and read time and time again critical things about McGregor and MacDonald. These guys are still young fighters. To think that just because Conor hasn't demonstrated wrestling skills in the Octagon against an opponent that his wrestling skills are non-existent or circa 2010 it a woeful miscalculation. As much as this is an area of strength for Mendes I really think the advantage has been dramatically overblown.

The fighter that McGregor is today versus a year ago are probably vast. The notion that MacDonald may have only made marginal improvements since he last fought Lawler would be silly.

One final thought. As fans of any sport, we tend to place to suggest that the differences between fighters, baseball players, teams is far greater than it actually is. When you are dealing with elite talent (e.g. any professional athlete who makes it to the top of the food chain like the UFC, MLB, NFL, etc) the differences between the best and the very good is microscopic.

On any given Sunday (pardon the cliche) or any given fight...just the slightest change in the location of a punch landing or a pitch being thrown can change the outcome in a split second. We as fans blow these things out of proportion.

I watched an interview of Tim Lincecum sometime in the past year I think where it was talking about his struggles after being one of the most dominant pitchers in the game. He expanded upon this in a way I wish I could repeat verbatim. But it was along the lines of this where even the weakest players in the game at the MLB were all-world studs from their area...the absolute best of the best.

So, I guess that it a long-winded way of saying that anything can happen and I don't believe that just because a fighter wins a fight that he is the better fighter, etc. It is like trying to argue that a pitcher with a 4+ ERA and lots of run support with 20 wins is better than a guy who had a sub 3 ERA and no run support with 12 wins and 10 losses.
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Mendes trains with guys like Faber, TJ, and Joe B every single day. Conor is likely much much easier than a random daily practice for Mendes in terms of grappling. The advantage of a truly top gym really can't be over-stated here, IMO. If Conor somehow has acquired the wrestling to hold off Mendes, he'll be literally the first Western European to do so ever without spending time in a major US gym. See Gustafson vs Davis, then vs Jones a few years later, etc. Gunnar and random Irish dudes <<<<< Faber etc at Alpha Male. IMO this is Mendes' fight to lose; if he fights smart, he'll beat up Conor for 5 rounds 50 - 45.
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I think it is a legitimately fair question to wonder if Mendes actually had a full camp would that have changed things.

As a McGregor fanboy, I didn't come away from last nights fight thinking McGregor did as well as I thought he might with takedown defense and getting Mendes off of him.

What are your thoughts on this now that they have fought?

 
SIDA! said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Gotta think Edgar next for McGregor around Christmas then McGregor/Aldo headline UFC 200 next July.
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Why do you think Conor would fight Edgar before Aldo?
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I'm no doctor so I could be off but I'd guess Aldo will be shelved for at least 2 months if his ribs really are broken. That plus a full camp since he'll be incredibly out of shape would probably be 8 months total. Would the UFC want their new golden boy sitting out that long hoping that Aldo doesn't chicken out again?

 
That is a much longer time-frame then I was thinking possible. The whole rib injury thing is still murky to me...and maybe the whole push back to October thing was never legit to begin with.

My thoughts were that if they could have possibly delayed the fight to October that Jan 2 would be more than doable.

If you are talking about Aldo being out that long then I have absolutely no problem with the interim belt. I thought was more marketing scam smoke and mirrors to drum up interest in the fight.

Last night, White said that he didn't really see a fight between McGregor and Aldo happening anywhere but Vegas. If Aldo is indeed out for an extended period of time, why not give McGregor an arena fight with another opponent in Ireland to make him happy?

 
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That is a much longer time-frame then I was thinking possible. The whole rib injury thing is still murky to me...and maybe the whole push back to October thing was never legit to begin with.

My thoughts were that if they could have possibly delayed the fight to October that Jan 2 would be more than doable.

If you are talking about Aldo being out that long then I have absolutely no problem with the interim belt. I thought was more marketing scam smoke and mirrors to drum up interest in the fight.

Last night, White said that he didn't really see a fight between McGregor and Aldo happening anywhere but Vegas. If Aldo is indeed out for an extended period of time, why not give McGregor an arena fight with another opponent in Ireland to make him happy?
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White promised him that his first real title defense would be in an 80,000 seat soccer stadium in Dublin. Don't think that would work so well during winter.

Again, I have no idea how accurate that timeline is.

And just reading now that Aldo/McGregor is already set for Jan 2nd so scrap that idea (unless he chickens out again).

 
SIDA! said:
Coeur de Lion said:
SIDA! said:
Well, I am pulling for the Big Mac attack of McGregor and MacDonald.

The great thing about these fights is each side has legitimate arguments, strengths and weaknesses, for why their guy should win. I will not be surprised one bit if Mendes and Lawler win. But, here is how I see the Mendes/McGregor fight playing out.

I don't think Mendes can strike with McGregor. McGregor is superior here and on top of the reach advantage he also has the height. I see Mendes getting flustered without being able to get within range.

He will then resort to what he knows best and is his strength. I see him going for the take down and though he might in fact get McGregor to the ground a couple of times I believe McGregor will be able to scramble and get back to his feet quickly. I also think McGregor has some great sprawling ability and again...with his height and reach will be able to stuff most of the take down attempts.

I then see the fight turning into a replay of the Esparza/Jedrzejczyk. In that fight, Esparza could not stand and strike and got toasted. Then stuffed on weak take downs that sapped her energy.

I ultimately see Conor winning by TKO stoppage.

Alternatively, Mendes has great power and though Conor has yet to really get rocked as far as I can recall he has a tendency to drop his hands. If Mendes can drop a bomb on Conor and shake him up there is no telling what might happen.

I hear and read time and time again critical things about McGregor and MacDonald. These guys are still young fighters. To think that just because Conor hasn't demonstrated wrestling skills in the Octagon against an opponent that his wrestling skills are non-existent or circa 2010 it a woeful miscalculation. As much as this is an area of strength for Mendes I really think the advantage has been dramatically overblown.

The fighter that McGregor is today versus a year ago are probably vast. The notion that MacDonald may have only made marginal improvements since he last fought Lawler would be silly.

One final thought. As fans of any sport, we tend to place to suggest that the differences between fighters, baseball players, teams is far greater than it actually is. When you are dealing with elite talent (e.g. any professional athlete who makes it to the top of the food chain like the UFC, MLB, NFL, etc) the differences between the best and the very good is microscopic.

On any given Sunday (pardon the cliche) or any given fight...just the slightest change in the location of a punch landing or a pitch being thrown can change the outcome in a split second. We as fans blow these things out of proportion.

I watched an interview of Tim Lincecum sometime in the past year I think where it was talking about his struggles after being one of the most dominant pitchers in the game. He expanded upon this in a way I wish I could repeat verbatim. But it was along the lines of this where even the weakest players in the game at the MLB were all-world studs from their area...the absolute best of the best.

So, I guess that it a long-winded way of saying that anything can happen and I don't believe that just because a fighter wins a fight that he is the better fighter, etc. It is like trying to argue that a pitcher with a 4+ ERA and lots of run support with 20 wins is better than a guy who had a sub 3 ERA and no run support with 12 wins and 10 losses.
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Mendes trains with guys like Faber, TJ, and Joe B every single day. Conor is likely much much easier than a random daily practice for Mendes in terms of grappling. The advantage of a truly top gym really can't be over-stated here, IMO. If Conor somehow has acquired the wrestling to hold off Mendes, he'll be literally the first Western European to do so ever without spending time in a major US gym. See Gustafson vs Davis, then vs Jones a few years later, etc. Gunnar and random Irish dudes <<<<< Faber etc at Alpha Male. IMO this is Mendes' fight to lose; if he fights smart, he'll beat up Conor for 5 rounds 50 - 45.
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I think it is a legitimately fair question to wonder if Mendes actually had a full camp would that have changed things.As a McGregor fanboy, I didn't come away from last nights fight thinking McGregor did as well as I thought he might with takedown defense and getting Mendes off of him.

What are your thoughts on this now that they have fought?
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McGregor answered any questions IMO. Short notice or not, last night was a huge win. He's a legit elite fighter. Can't wait to see him and Aldo.

 
Let's say Aldo vs McGreggor during the Christmas/New Year week. That gives Aldo 5.5 months. That's plenty of time. Its going to be a standup war.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
SIDA! said:
Coeur de Lion said:
SIDA! said:
Well, I am pulling for the Big Mac attack of McGregor and MacDonald.

The great thing about these fights is each side has legitimate arguments, strengths and weaknesses, for why their guy should win. I will not be surprised one bit if Mendes and Lawler win. But, here is how I see the Mendes/McGregor fight playing out.

I don't think Mendes can strike with McGregor. McGregor is superior here and on top of the reach advantage he also has the height. I see Mendes getting flustered without being able to get within range.

He will then resort to what he knows best and is his strength. I see him going for the take down and though he might in fact get McGregor to the ground a couple of times I believe McGregor will be able to scramble and get back to his feet quickly. I also think McGregor has some great sprawling ability and again...with his height and reach will be able to stuff most of the take down attempts.

I then see the fight turning into a replay of the Esparza/Jedrzejczyk. In that fight, Esparza could not stand and strike and got toasted. Then stuffed on weak take downs that sapped her energy.

I ultimately see Conor winning by TKO stoppage.

Alternatively, Mendes has great power and though Conor has yet to really get rocked as far as I can recall he has a tendency to drop his hands. If Mendes can drop a bomb on Conor and shake him up there is no telling what might happen.

I hear and read time and time again critical things about McGregor and MacDonald. These guys are still young fighters. To think that just because Conor hasn't demonstrated wrestling skills in the Octagon against an opponent that his wrestling skills are non-existent or circa 2010 it a woeful miscalculation. As much as this is an area of strength for Mendes I really think the advantage has been dramatically overblown.

The fighter that McGregor is today versus a year ago are probably vast. The notion that MacDonald may have only made marginal improvements since he last fought Lawler would be silly.

One final thought. As fans of any sport, we tend to place to suggest that the differences between fighters, baseball players, teams is far greater than it actually is. When you are dealing with elite talent (e.g. any professional athlete who makes it to the top of the food chain like the UFC, MLB, NFL, etc) the differences between the best and the very good is microscopic.

On any given Sunday (pardon the cliche) or any given fight...just the slightest change in the location of a punch landing or a pitch being thrown can change the outcome in a split second. We as fans blow these things out of proportion.

I watched an interview of Tim Lincecum sometime in the past year I think where it was talking about his struggles after being one of the most dominant pitchers in the game. He expanded upon this in a way I wish I could repeat verbatim. But it was along the lines of this where even the weakest players in the game at the MLB were all-world studs from their area...the absolute best of the best.

So, I guess that it a long-winded way of saying that anything can happen and I don't believe that just because a fighter wins a fight that he is the better fighter, etc. It is like trying to argue that a pitcher with a 4+ ERA and lots of run support with 20 wins is better than a guy who had a sub 3 ERA and no run support with 12 wins and 10 losses.
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Mendes trains with guys like Faber, TJ, and Joe B every single day. Conor is likely much much easier than a random daily practice for Mendes in terms of grappling. The advantage of a truly top gym really can't be over-stated here, IMO. If Conor somehow has acquired the wrestling to hold off Mendes, he'll be literally the first Western European to do so ever without spending time in a major US gym. See Gustafson vs Davis, then vs Jones a few years later, etc. Gunnar and random Irish dudes <<<<< Faber etc at Alpha Male. IMO this is Mendes' fight to lose; if he fights smart, he'll beat up Conor for 5 rounds 50 - 45.
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I think it is a legitimately fair question to wonder if Mendes actually had a full camp would that have changed things.As a McGregor fanboy, I didn't come away from last nights fight thinking McGregor did as well as I thought he might with takedown defense and getting Mendes off of him.

What are your thoughts on this now that they have fought?
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McGregor answered any questions IMO. Short notice or not, last night was a huge win. He's a legit elite fighter. Can't wait to see him and Aldo.
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I agree.
 
I found this article to be a very good read.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/conor-mcgregor-toughest-test-yet-for-the-man-who-would-be-king-1.2282560

Here is a snippet.

“It’s just another day for me. I’ve been the star since day one. It’s just another day in the life of a king, and it feels normal. People think there’s pressure, I don’t feel pressure. I never did.”

So Conor McGregor announced in the fight programme for UFC 189. Familiarity with his style can numb you to the sense of quite how unhinged this talk actually sounds. “It’s just another day in the life of a king” is one of the most casually crazy things a sportsman can say with a straight face. One difference between McGregor and an actual king is that kings break character once in a while.

For as long as McGregor can keep his winning streak going, every opponent is going to have to deal with the unnerving sense that they’re up against something out of the ordinary.

Rationality should provide an impervious armour against the fear that McGregor somehow has Fate on his side. Clearly Conor McGregor cannot really bend destiny to his will with the power of New Age positive thinking. The Law of Attraction, with its advocacy of the magical potential of visualisation and gratitude, remains unproven by science.

But fighters are only human and therefore vulnerable to suggestion. And suggestibility must peak when you are alone in a cage with McGregor, staring into his bulging black eyes, trying to ignore the crowd that is screaming for your blood.

Everyone is afraid in some part of their being, and McGregor’s approach is all about trying to discover and control that fear in his opponent. Whether he gets there by provocation or intimidation, the goal is to make the other man flinch. At the weigh-in he’d pretended to throw a couple of punches in an effort to provoke a reflex defensive response. As the fight began, he looked into Chad Mendes’ eyes and snarled, “Now we’ll see who takes the first step back.”
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Just watching the TUF finale on Fox.

Pretty disgusted by the Brazilian who just attempted to spit on Samman. Not sure I can recall seeing something like that in the ring...though I am sure it has happened.

 
SIDA! said:
Just watching the TUF finale on Fox.

Pretty disgusted by the Brazilian who just attempted to spit on Samman. Not sure I can recall seeing something like that in the ring...though I am sure it has happened.
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Malgalaes has sucked ever since he came into the UFC. dude has always been garbage

 
SIDA! said:
Just watching the TUF finale on Fox.

Pretty disgusted by the Brazilian who just attempted to spit on Samman. Not sure I can recall seeing something like that in the ring...though I am sure it has happened.
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Agreed; that was bush league.

Samman looked quick and that was a very deep Anaconda-like choke!

 
modogg said:
SIDA! said:
Just watching the TUF finale on Fox.

Pretty disgusted by the Brazilian who just attempted to spit on Samman. Not sure I can recall seeing something like that in the ring...though I am sure it has happened.
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Malgalaes has sucked ever since he came into the UFC. dude has always been garbage
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Pure garbage.

Looking forward to seeing Angela Magana get her mediocre ### beat by Karate Hottie. Sick and tired of listening to these weak ### chick fighters propped up by TUF 20 who make more of a name for themselves on Twitter than actually doing anything in the Octagon.

Magana

Angela Hill

I believe the TUF 20 cast has one and only one win since the show ended in December....and that was only because two cast members fought each other. Most overrated and pointless season of TUF ever.

 
man, Waterson should have been in the UFC the whole time. i know she couldn't be because of her contract, but man she is going to be a hit with fans. her personality has always been awesome

 
so why doesn't Graves have the Reebok gear on?

ETA: whops i guess it is. good that there is flexibility with the fight shorts

 
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Wish we would have seen this Michael Graves on the show. Completely different looking fighter right now after one round.

 
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