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GOB said:
USADA notifies UFC of potential violation from Cyborg.

I'm shocked, I tell ya.
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First thing that crossed my mind when she didn't want the title fight, honestly. No idea how the USADA testing works or if it's even possible to time things up on the athlete's end, but my immediate thought was "she needs time to flush after her PED cycle."

 
145 pound division will be fine w/o Cyborg. :lol:

Since UFC is creating fake belts for no reason, how long til UFC starts a "Seniors" division? (i.e. Bellator with better promotion)

 
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EYLive said:
Unless Derandamie beats her. Then the entire division (all of 2 fighters) is a dumpster fire.
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It's a dumpster fire anyway. Cyborg is a roided up 155 pounder with higher testosterone levels than most men and the rest of them  belong at 135, which isn't much better really. They should just drop the pretense of WMMA and have the ring girls do "foxy boxing" if that's how they want to roll.

Although JJ is a legit bad a$$.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
It's a dumpster fire anyway. Cyborg is a roided up 155 pounder with higher testosterone levels than most men and the rest of them  belong at 135, which isn't much better really. They should just drop the pretense of WMMA and have the ring girls do "foxy boxing" if that's how they want to roll.

Although JJ is a legit bad a$$.
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Wut

 
Coeur de Lion said:
WMMA is a joke for the most part. They're almost all part time ham-n-eggers.  :shrug:

Or do you think that PVZ actually deserves the promotional push she gets for her fighting ability as opposed to being hot?
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I guess we will have to disagree. There are a bunch of very good women fighters. 

They put on some great fights, too. 

 
GOB said:
I guess we will have to disagree. There are a bunch of very good women fighters. 

They put on some great fights, too. 
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Yeah, we definitely disagree. I won't argue that there have been some good fights, but as far as skill level goes, there are dudes teaching the average YMCA karate or jiu jitsu class with more experience and skill than more than half of the UFC roster of women. Sorry, it's a fact.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Yeah, we definitely disagree. I won't argue that there have been some good fights, but as far as skill level goes, there are dudes teaching the average YMCA karate or jiu jitsu class with more experience and skill than more than half of the UFC roster of women. Sorry, it's a fact.
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well im convinced

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Yeah, we definitely disagree. I won't argue that there have been some good fights, but as far as skill level goes, there are dudes teaching the average YMCA karate or jiu jitsu class with more experience and skill than more than half of the UFC roster of women. Sorry, it's a fact.
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Define fact

 
I was turning the TV off about to go to bed, it happened to land on Fox. Found myself watching the Swanson-Choi fight. That was one of the best fights I've ever seen in my life. 

 
Dedfin said:
Cain is still saying he's in.  I don't believe him.
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Good call: Cain Velasquez off UFC 207 card as NSAC won't approve fighter

Earlier this week, Velasquez, 34, told ESPN.com he had suffered from back painduring training camp and was already scheduled to undergo surgery on Jan. 4. The San Jose-based heavyweight said he had relied on Cannabidiol (CBD) to dull the pain enough to train.

"It's an achy pain that goes down your leg, and it gets to a point where if you're standing for 10 minutes, you have to sit down," Velasquez told ESPN.com. "If you're going out for a while, a half-hour, you know it's going to be pretty painful. You have to sit down and take the compression off your back."

Despite those revelations, both Velasquez and his longtime coach Javier Mendez insisted the fighter would be fine to face Werdum. The fight was supposed to be a rematch of a heavyweight title fight that took place in June 2015.

"As far as preparation, I've done everything," Velasquez said. "I've sparred, wrestled. I'm not missing workouts at all. I've done my conditioning -- everything. I feel great going into this."

According to sources, the NSAC still canceled the bout for fighter safety due to Velasquez's comments regarding the injury.




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Nice job, Cain.

 
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Clayton Gray said:
Good call: Cain Velasquez off UFC 207 card as NSAC won't approve fighter

Nice job, Cain.
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According to sources, the NSAC still canceled the bout for fighter safety due to Velasquez's comments regarding the injury.
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WTF, did he blow himself up??  F'n moron if so.  I loved watching "Cardio" Cain.  His style was so appealing to me.  That dude just never stopped.  Then the debacle in Mexico City happened and I asked myself "how the F do you not train at altitude, when the venue is like 10000 feet in the air?"  Then the constant whining about injuries.  I'm convinced that we won't ever see the old Cain again.  He's a 35 year old dude with back problems.  The HW division seems like a wasteland, or is it parity?  I think wasteland.

I just started watching in 09, so I'm a newer fan than most of you.  Is it something about the HW division that lends itself to short term champions?  Or have we just not seen a great champion emerge yet (sample size?)  I looked up the list of UFC champs, and amazingly Cain has held the continually belt longer than anyone and the longest total days as a champ.  I was surprised that some of the oldies weren't longer.

 
Dedfin said:
WTF, did he blow himself up??  F'n moron if so.  I loved watching "Cardio" Cain.  His style was so appealing to me.  That dude just never stopped.  Then the debacle in Mexico City happened and I asked myself "how the F do you not train at altitude, when the venue is like 10000 feet in the air?"  Then the constant whining about injuries.  I'm convinced that we won't ever see the old Cain again.  He's a 35 year old dude with back problems.  The HW division seems like a wasteland, or is it parity?  I think wasteland.

I just started watching in 09, so I'm a newer fan than most of you.  Is it something about the HW division that lends itself to short term champions?  Or have we just not seen a great champion emerge yet (sample size?)  I looked up the list of UFC champs, and amazingly Cain has held the continually belt longer than anyone and the longest total days as a champ.  I was surprised that some of the oldies weren't longer.
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I think that outside of Healthy-younger Cain (and maybe recent Werdum) we havent seen any really supremely well rounded heavyweights.    Each champ has almost always had a glaring weakness (cardio, heart, submission defense, striking....)  And the next guy has just been able to exploit it.   You look at champs in other divisions and while of course champs have areas they are more proficient in vcersus others, the glaring deficiencies are just not there like they are in the HW division.   As to why -- not sure.   

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
I think that outside of Healthy-younger Cain (and maybe recent Werdum) we havent seen any really supremely well rounded heavyweights.    Each champ has almost always had a glaring weakness (cardio, heart, submission defense, striking....)  And the next guy has just been able to exploit it.   You look at champs in other divisions and while of course champs have areas they are more proficient in vcersus others, the glaring deficiencies are just not there like they are in the HW division.   As to why -- not sure.   
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Lack of depth. One great skill can carry you a long ways fighting cans. No need to evolve until it's too late.

 
Back in the Sylvia/Arlovski/Monson days, I'd have agreed but I think once the 2nd gen of HVYs hit the scene (JDS, Cain, Carwin, Reincarnated Frank Mir, Overeem, Werdum, etc) that the depth was not an issue anymore.  

Maybe it was just not-as-terrible-as-before, but still kinda crappy.   Dunno.  

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Back in the Sylvia/Arlovski/Monson days, I'd have agreed but I think once the 2nd gen of HVYs hit the scene (JDS, Cain, Carwin, Reincarnated Frank Mir, Overeem, Werdum, etc) that the depth was not an issue anymore.  

Maybe it was just not-as-terrible-as-before, but still kinda crappy.   Dunno.  
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Not so much the top end depth (though it is still incredibly weak outside the top ten), but getting there. Before they make the UFC, and the first few fights in the UFC, they fight against bums that they just demolish. When you're KOing or submitting everyone in the first round on your way up, why work on other areas? The regional LW is lightyears ahead of the regional HW in overall talent.

Compare the TUF shows. The LW guys all look like they belong. The HW are just a mess of former pro athletes and slobs that are gassed after 5 minutes... And those are the best talents the UFC can find.

 
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
I think that outside of Healthy-younger Cain (and maybe recent Werdum) we havent seen any really supremely well rounded heavyweights.    Each champ has almost always had a glaring weakness (cardio, heart, submission defense, striking....)  And the next guy has just been able to exploit it.   You look at champs in other divisions and while of course champs have areas they are more proficient in vcersus others, the glaring deficiencies are just not there like they are in the HW division.   As to why -- not sure.   
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Top shelf 250ish pound athletes are primarily playing in the NFL and NBA, even pro wrestling -- all of which pay exponentially better than does MMA.

 
Rousey fight predictions?

I know most of you pretty much hate her.  What do you think her state of mind is?  I can't figure out this no media thing.  Not sure if she's just ####ed up in the head now or what.

 
Worm said:
Rousey fight predictions?

I know most of you pretty much hate her.  What do you think her state of mind is?  I can't figure out this no media thing.  Not sure if she's just ####ed up in the head now or what.
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Nunes is a perfect match up for her style-wise. I expect Nunes to charge, get tossed, and get tapped via armbar in round one. Followed by endless amounts of "she's back" hype.  :X

 
EYLive said:
Cody vs Cruz should be good.
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Eh, I don't think that Cody has much of a chance. John Dodson's movement gave him fits to the point that he resorted to the "stand there and make fun of him for running" nonsense. He's not going to be able to touch Dom. Of course, Cody hits hard and might catch Cruz with a bomb early, but this looks like an easy 50-45 UD based on movement and cardio to me. Much more interested to see the rematches with TJ or Mighty Mouse.

 
Worm said:
Rousey fight predictions?

I know most of you pretty much hate her.  What do you think her state of mind is?  I can't figure out this no media thing.  Not sure if she's just ####ed up in the head now or what.
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I think Rousey will win. I think the media ban was just to allow her to focus on training.

I have no idea if her striking has improved or not, but it won't matter if she can get her hands on Nunez.

 
EYLive said:
I think Rousey will win. I think the media ban was just to allow her to focus on training.

I have no idea if her striking has improved or not, but it won't matter if she can get her hands on Nunez.
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She'll probably need to change camps for this this to happen IMO -- Tarverdyan isn't the coach to take her to the next level on the feet.

 
EYLive said:
:X

 I hope that isn't true. They already have several good guys, Rome doesn't fit in at all.
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Just a rumor, but it still makes me uncomfortable.  He doesn't need the money and I'm sure he's probably too long in the tooth, but a guy I wish would call these fights is Lamps.  As a kid I loved boxing matches Lamps called.  This isn't realistic though.

 
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