Underrated / Overrated: 1 QB, RB, WR, and TE (1 Viewer)

[Crippler]

Under

QB - Brett Favre

RB - Tatum Bell

WR - Micheal Clayton

TE - Dallas Clark

Overrated

QB - Donovan McNabb

RB - Caddy Williams

WR - Joe Horn

TE - Vernon Davis

 

[Blackjacks]

Under

QB - Brett Favre

RB - Tatum Bell

WR - Micheal Clayton

TE - Dallas Clark

Overrated

QB - Donovan McNabb

RB - Caddy Williams

WR - Joe Horn

TE - Vernon Davis

I like the Clayton call and I completely agree with the Caddy call.

 

[Blackjacks]

RB: Caddy Williams - I'm not sold. He had some just awful games last year. Throw in the fact that he has a solid backup in Pittman and a TD vulture in Alstott as well as the fact that when given the load he got injured and you've got over-rated written all over him. He's the 2006 version of McGahee

Welcome to the "I didn't watch a single Buc football game last year but I know more about him than the guys who live and breathe the pewter power." Add 50 receptions to about 90ruypg, Davin Joseph to pull and Alstott shifting to more of an H-Back role, and I don't see how in the hell you find 10 or 15 backs in the NFL that are legitimately better without some gross factual distortion.OVER

QB: Carson Palmer - This guy will go ape #### when it comes playoff time, but who are you going to start until October? 4th/5th round ADP? No thanks.

RB: Ronnie Brown. - Don't even get me started on a guy who's backup RB carried his team to a winning-out record. Sure he hits like a Hummer, but in reality he's about as durable as the H2. I laughed pretty hard in a redraft mock when this guy went 1.12 and the drafter had the gall to call it a "steal".

WR: Randy Moss - can we say damaged goods?

UNDER

QB: Brett Favre - if you honestly believe that his level of talent and not his supporting cast was the reason for his dismal failure as a QB1 last year, I pity the fool who scoffs at the HOFer to be.

RB: Deuce McAllister - explain to me how giving the saints a 3DB and a WR2 makes him a 4th round value. Jeez... guy gets injured and everyone forgets about him. I'm sure hardcore Saints fans are drueling over his 4th round ADP.

WR: Santana Moss - I'm not sure that you can underrate a guy who performed so well last year, but everyone seems to think that by putting out more 3WR sets with better receivers that eliminate his triple coverages is bad....

So your counting on a rookie olineman and Alstott who isn't a great blocker to save your little boy. Geez I'll keep listening to the locals. Just remember atleast that H2 was on the field when your little Caddy was in the shop with one of his gears F'ed up.If he gets hurt again next year, like he did in college (broken leg) and he did his rookie year (hammy and foot) are you still going to say it's all accidents? I will say he does have talent just so you don't come back with your famous line of how your local and I didn't get to see the second coming, but I don't this little train can make it up the hill. He is overrated and will be in my book until I can count on him for 16 games and he starts to get GL touches.

 

[BoltBacker]

So your counting on a rookie olineman and Alstott who isn't a great blocker to save your little boy. Geez I'll keep listening to the locals.

Of course you do realize that they not only drafted Joseph in the first round but Trueblood in the second round and many consider Trueblood to have been first round talent. They also signed Fonoti who has been a dominating run blocker in the past, thought it's anyones guess whether he can regain his previous form.

 

[cantstop1999]

some nice output here guys.

 

[Gravity]

Welcome to the "I didn't watch a single Buc football game last year but I know more about him than the guys who live and breathe the pewter power." Add 50 receptions to about 90ruypg, Davin Joseph to pull and Alstott shifting to more of an H-Back role, and I don't see how in the hell you find 10 or 15 backs in the NFL that are legitimately better without some gross factual distortion.

My points were pretty clear...you are making the BIGGEST mistake in FFL - you are allowing your homer-view to cloud your FFL impartiality.

 

[Blackjacks]

So your counting on a rookie olineman and Alstott who isn't a great blocker to save your little boy. Geez I'll keep listening to the locals.

Of course you do realize that they not only drafted Joseph in the first round but Trueblood in the second round and many consider Trueblood to have been first round talent. They also signed Fonoti who has been a dominating run blocker in the past, thought it's anyones guess whether he can regain his previous form.

Alot of people "could be first rounders" he wasn't and even if he was he's still a rookie. Again, I'll still stand by my point if your counting on rookies and Alstott to open these holes your begging. Oh wait they also got Fonoti..oh well I guess I'd take him in the top 3 now.

 

[C Boswell]

Underrated

QB: Chris Simms - Gruden's QBs thrive.

RB: Ron Dayne - As it stands now, but he's on a lot of underrated lists, so it could change by the start of the season.

WR: Eddie Kennison - Another year, another underrated listing for Kennison.

TE: Heath Miller - Lots of talent at the TE position this year, but more experience and Randle El's departure bump him up my draft board.

Overrated

QB: Drew Brees - He's on a new offense....and it's the Saints. Also, I'm not sold on the whole Reggie-Bush-as-savior thing.

RB: Tatum Bell - He's a big reason I have Dayne listed above.

WR: Terrel Owens - 1) I don't think Parcells will tolerate him as long as Reid did, and 2) I think both the running game and Glenn will cut into his numbers more than most people think.

TE: Tony Gonzalez - I'm a huge Gonzo fan, but the name-recognition factor has him overvalued this year.

How in the world can Tatum Bell be overrated when hes in no ones top 15 RB's???? I think you are stretching here. I'm not saying hes underrated either. I'm saying hes no comment for now.

 

[C Boswell]

Overrated:

QB: Brooks (Collins redux)

RB: LJ (not enough track record to go #1 overall .. this year's K, J Jones)

WR: Randy (maybe he should play for the Argonauts?)

TE: Gonzo (a great warrior who's day has passed)

Underrated

QB: Delhomme (who else?)

RB: Dayne (if he were a rookie Heisman winner going to Denver, his ADP would be higher than it is -- this is nuts)

WR: Javon (this year's Steve Smith)

TE: Erron Kinney (I just believe... I will always beleve)

on Ron Dayne....but hes not a rookie and has a past record of underperforming. however, he is on my team and I hope you are right!!

 

[Donnybrook]

Overrated:

QB – Eli Manning

RB – Chester Taylor

WR – Reggie Brown

TE – Kellen Winslow

Underrated:

QB – Rex Grossman

RB – Mewelde Moore

WR - Marcus Robinson

TE – Heath Miller

 

[Gravity]

RB: Caddy Williams - I'm not sold. He had some just awful games last year. Throw in the fact that he has a solid backup in Pittman and a TD vulture in Alstott as well as the fact that when given the load he got injured and you've got over-rated written all over him. He's the 2006 version of McGahee

Welcome to the "I didn't watch a single Buc football game last year but I know more about him than the guys who live and breathe the pewter power." Add 50 receptions to about 90ruypg, Davin Joseph to pull and Alstott shifting to more of an H-Back role, and I don't see how in the hell you find 10 or 15 backs in the NFL that are legitimately better without some gross factual distortion.

Boy, talk about being wrong....

 

[Gravity]

Over----------QB: Eli Manning - don't let last year fool you - he had an Aaron Brooks type year. Very up and down, too many top QB's above him got injured, and actually regressed in the 2nd half. Stay away.RB: Caddy Williams - I'm not sold. He had some just awful games last year. Throw in the fact that he has a solid backup in Pittman and a TD vulture in Alstott as well as the fact that when given the load he got injured and you've got over-rated written all over him. He's the 2006 version of McGaheeWR: Owens. Parcells is already tempering expectations and Dallas has a bunch of catching options.TE: Zach Hilton. You guys pimping him have got to be kidding me. He may not even be the starting TE on his own team. Don't buy into this crazy sleeper hype.----------Under----------QB: Brooks. Throw out last years wasted year. He's a top FFL QB. Throw in Moss, et al and a bad defense and you've got top 8 numbers.RB: CTaylor. Don't let past Minny history scare you. The new administration wanted him and he will deliver. Agreed - he is the Lamont Jordan of 2006WR: Randy Moss. A healthy moss is gonna be top 3 again. Esp with Brooks throwing (just look at how well Joe Horn did under Brooks with less talent)TE: Gonzo - still a top 3 TE. Peeps scared based solely on poor TD numbers from last year.

3 out of 4 right on the Over2 out of 4 on the Under5 out of 8 - Not bad.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Over----------QB: Eli Manning - don't let last year fool you - he had an Aaron Brooks type year. Very up and down, too many top QB's above him got injured, and actually regressed in the 2nd half. Stay away.RB: Caddy Williams - I'm not sold. He had some just awful games last year. Throw in the fact that he has a solid backup in Pittman and a TD vulture in Alstott as well as the fact that when given the load he got injured and you've got over-rated written all over him. He's the 2006 version of McGaheeWR: Owens. Parcells is already tempering expectations and Dallas has a bunch of catching options.TE: Zach Hilton. You guys pimping him have got to be kidding me. He may not even be the starting TE on his own team. Don't buy into this crazy sleeper hype.----------Under----------QB: Brooks. Throw out last years wasted year. He's a top FFL QB. Throw in Moss, et al and a bad defense and you've got top 8 numbers.RB: CTaylor. Don't let past Minny history scare you. The new administration wanted him and he will deliver. Agreed - he is the Lamont Jordan of 2006WR: Randy Moss. A healthy moss is gonna be top 3 again. Esp with Brooks throwing (just look at how well Joe Horn did under Brooks with less talent)TE: Gonzo - still a top 3 TE. Peeps scared based solely on poor TD numbers from last year.

3 out of 4 right on the Over2 out of 4 on the Under5 out of 8 - Not bad.

Not bad at all. Especially when you compare it to most of the other predictions in this thread

 

[-OZ-]

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Not bad at all. Especially when you compare it to most of the other predictions in this thread

Ok, so we're rating ourselves here... let's see

UNDER:

QB: (2 stand out IMO) 14 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT; 18 Byron Leftwich, JAX (but this might be because I'm a "MAC guy"), conservative offenses, but great values

RB: 24 Deuce McAllister, NO - I like Reggie Bush, but Deuce will start this year

WR: 38 Matt Jones, JAX RISK, but he will be given every opportunity to succeed. At the price of a WR3 spot, I'll gladly take the risk. for a more conservative play 47 Amani Toomer, NYG

TE: 15 Ben Troupe, TEN - one of my favorite TEs.

OVER:

QB: 2 Tom Brady, NE - I won't argue against the ranking, but I see him slipping some with a healthy Dillon and Maroney getting carries

RB: 18 Reuben Droughns, CLE

WR: 2 Steve Smith, CAR - another ranking I can't disagree with, but with Keyshawn, a possibly healthy Foster, D-Will... perhaps a better D if Jenkins stays healthy, top 5, but I won't take him #2

TE: 4 Todd Heap, BAL - not so much overrated because of the #4 ranking, but if people are seeing McNair as being a huge help to Heap's value, I disagree. He's more likely to help Mason and Clayton.

(using my main league, I apologize if it doesn't match FBG)QB: Ben started horribly, but is the #7 QB over the last 6 weeks. Byron's injury knocks him from the #15 spot. Brady is the #7 QB, well overrated as the #2. Have to wait and see here, but so far I'm thinking 2/3

RB: Deuce is #15, good value at #24. Droughns is #35. 2/2

WR: Jones started well, injuries and just not performing as I'd hoped. Smith is a stud, but curently #9 - admittedly, the injury cost him some. 1/2, although Smith can easily finish as the #2

TE: 0/2

Aside from TE, I'll take it.

 

[The Jacket]

Too many n00b's with the "LJ=overrated" schtick.

 

[KCC]

Underrated

QB: Chris Simms - Gruden's QBs thrive.

RB: Ron Dayne - As it stands now, but he's on a lot of underrated lists, so it could change by the start of the season.

WR: Eddie Kennison - Another year, another underrated listing for Kennison.

TE: Heath Miller - Lots of talent at the TE position this year, but more experience and Randle El's departure bump him up my draft board.

In keeping with the holiday, I'm thankful that I only ended up with Miller on my team (as a backup TE.)

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

Under:

QB Joey Harrington (since hes been starting he averages over 15pts/week in my league)

RB Kevin Jones (Det. didnt know what they had til he was gone)

WR Eric Parker SD (he took all of Mccardells stats!)

TE Chet Baker NYJ (no one knows him, but hes had some solid weeks)

Over:

QB Rex Grossman (the announcers wanna marry him, but his stats arent there)

RB Shaun Alexander (blah blah blah, injury injury, he didnt do #### before his injury, doubt he will after)

WR Mccardell/Bryant (both these guys are washed up)

TE Antonio Gates (i wasted a 3rd round pick on this? new QB = #### stats)

 

[MLBrandow]

RB: Caddy Williams - I'm not sold. He had some just awful games last year. Throw in the fact that he has a solid backup in Pittman and a TD vulture in Alstott as well as the fact that when given the load he got injured and you've got over-rated written all over him. He's the 2006 version of McGahee

Welcome to the "I didn't watch a single Buc football game last year but I know more about him than the guys who live and breathe the pewter power." Add 50 receptions to about 90ruypg, Davin Joseph to pull and Alstott shifting to more of an H-Back role, and I don't see how in the hell you find 10 or 15 backs in the NFL that are legitimately better without some gross factual distortion.

Boy, talk about being wrong....

Starting QB, half the OL and defense down?Correlation does not equal causation.

At that though, he is definitely having a down year.... not sure why you felt the need to search six months back for a thread where you were actually right to 60% accuracy.

 

[BoltBacker]

Starting QB, half the OL and defense down?Correlation does not equal causation.At that though, he is definitely having a down year.... not sure why you felt the need to search six months back for a thread where you were actually right to 60% accuracy.

I'll never understand the "search six months back" for a thread response. How else is he going to know if he was right or you were right without letting at least half the season? If he bumps the post after three games he'd get "I don't know why you're bumping this after only THREE games! It's still early". For the record I agreed with you, thought caddy(and TB in general for that matter) would have a much, much better season than he has. We were wrong. Just give him his props for making the right call and move on.I look like a moron for like Zack Hilton back in May but if you are making predictions in May you aren't going to hit on all of them.

 

[Gravity]

Starting QB, half the OL and defense down?Correlation does not equal causation.At that though, he is definitely having a down year.... not sure why you felt the need to search six months back for a thread where you were actually right to 60% accuracy.

Now its just getting silly. Bro, just man up and admit you wiffed on this one.Also - isn't the whole point of these prediction threads to revisit and see how we did and what we can do to improve the following year? Otherwise, you'll just continue being homerized each year.

 

[Rounders]

Under

QB - Mike Vick - His time to shine. I'm thinking top 5 QB this year.

RB - Jamal Lewis - IF he can stay heathly he'll should be top 10-15.

WR - Lee Evans - I think this is his year to break out big time

TE - Randy McMichael - Top 5 TE this year, book it.

Over

QB - Eli Manning - not quite there and brutal schedule

RB - Tiki Barber - His # of touches scare me

WR - Javon Walker - knee injury and in a new system, I'll pass

TE - Vernon Davis - Rookie TE's usually don't make an impact

Not to bad on my part. I would say 2 out of 4 on the Under side (Vick and Evans). I would say that I got 3 of 4 on the Over side (Manning, Barber, Davis)Excuse while I break my arm patting myself on my back.

 

[fsufan]

TE Antonio Gates (i wasted a 3rd round pick on this? new QB = #### stats)

you drafted a TE in the 3rd

 

[MLBrandow]

Now its just getting silly. Bro, just man up and admit you wiffed on this one.

Your logic is wrong though.He is having a bad year because he can't run on 9-man fronts. No RBs can with any consistency.Now if you'd have said something like "Caddy will be bad because he can't run on 9-man fronts, and I foresee a slew of injuries to what is now the oldest defense in the league that will lead the Bucs to be trailing most games early, thus limiting his carries."Then you would have something.In picking an over/underrated guy is more than just saying who will out- or underperform their ADP. You have to give accurate reasoning.Six months ago if I said "man Matt Hasselbeck is overrated as hell because he sucks" and when he goes down and missed half the season I pull the thread back up and go "man I sure nailed that one", are you really right?Again, I agree with you, as I think everyone would, that he's definitely having a bad season, but learn to appropriately identify causation.If you're going to pat yourself on the back, you need to be fully correct.

 

[davearm]

Well if the other guy needs to "learn to appropriately identify causation", what you need to learn is how to suck it up and admit you were just flat out wrong.