Unique Draft Situation (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I am in a 12 team redraft with IDP. We draft 24 players to field a team that consists of -

qb, 2 rb, 3 wr (this includes tes), k, 2 dl, 2lb, 2 db, and a flex defensive player...so 14 starters each week and 10 reserves to cover bye weeks, etc.

here is the twist. To add competitve balance to the league, one of the league rules is that in the first seven rounds you must select - 1 qb, 1 rb, 1 wr, 1 k, 1 dl, 1 lb and 1 db (in whatever order you want to pick them, but you cannot double up at any position until round 8). Obviously this means that the 9-12 picks will get the best backup rbs, while the 1-4 will get the premier rbs.

I am at pick 11. My Round 8 pick is a no brainer with me grabbing either the 13th or 14th best rb.

My question though, is how to appraoch the 11 pick during the first 7 rounds. i am tempted to go QB, WR at 1.11 and 2.02 figuring that the top 7 rbs will be gone and I don't see a great difference between 8-12. This is reinforced by the knowledge that I am going to get one of the better backup rbs at pick 8.02.

Lets say it gets to me a Steven Jackson is available. If I pass on him to take say Hasselbeck and Harrison (or Fitzgerald) I will still wind up with a Rudi Johnson.

Am i crazy or does this no double up rule virtually force me to grab a tier 1 qb and a tier 1 wr, since I am guaranteed a tier 2 or tier 3 rb at worst by round 7?

The only drawback to the 11th pick is that I am guaranteed at best a tier 2 LB and tier 2 DB, but I am hoping my IDP knowledge will allow me to overcome that as I flesh out my team after round 8.

 

[Colin Dowling]

That is wild - I'm not sure how I would address that. Is it a serpentine?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Oh, I see it is. That is bizarre. So, everyone gets a top-12 RB, a top-12 WR, a top 12 QB, etc...

I think the "value" is getting the best of the QBs if possible and a top-tier WR since it's a start 3. I'd probably go that way.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Oh, I see it is. That is bizarre. So, everyone gets a top-12 RB, a top-12 WR, a top 12 QB, etc...I think the "value" is getting the best of the QBs if possible and a top-tier WR since it's a start 3. I'd probably go that way.

Its jacked up, but our Commish thinks it helps balance the league by at least giving everyone an opportunity to get a top 12 at each position. It never works out that way, but at least the opportunity is present. this is the first year I am lucky enough to get an 11 or 12 spot. Usually I am stuck in the middle.In this format (here are the mock results for round 1 and turn) -1.01 - LT1.02 - SA1.03 - LJ1.04 - Manning1.05 - Tiki (ppr league)1.06 - Portis 1.07 - S Smith1.08 - C Johnson1.09 - L Jordan1.10 - Harrison1.11 - Fitzgerald1.12 - R Moss2.01 - S Jackson2.02 - HasselbeckSo I wind up with Hasselbeck and Fitzgerald....but I am guaranteed two of the following rbs (Westbrook, Rudi, Cadillac, Ronnie Brown, Edge, Kevin Jones, Chester Taylor, etc). I guess if I jumped on Jackson though, I would diminish my ability to get a tier 2 qb or tier 1 wr.

 

[FatRader]

Have you tried using the draft dominator to help mock how the picks may go? You set it up for a 7 round draft with a max of 1 guy at each position, and set the baseline for 12 at each position. That should help you get an idea for the best way to approach your picks in the first 7 rounds.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Have you tried using the draft dominator to help mock how the picks may go? You set it up for a 7 round draft with a max of 1 guy at each position, and set the baseline for 12 at each position. That should help you get an idea for the best way to approach your picks in the first 7 rounds.

good idea, I was having a hard tiem delimiting the positional picks in the first 7 rounds. That will do the trick.

 

[dickey moe]

Do you enjoy being in this league with these rules? Seems kinda restrictive.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Do you enjoy being in this league with these rules? Seems kinda restrictive.

I don't prefer this structure - however the league consists of both my brothers in law, and three or four of my closest friends. The rest of the league members are pretty decent guys too. It is a league that is entering it's 13th year and is great cameraderie.That said I am looking for another league with IDPs to supplement my fix for Fantasy football with less restrictive rules. I won't ever quit this league thoguh, because the guys are a good group of guys.

 

[Klecko HOF]

I think it's far too early for you to be drafting a quarterback. I would personally draft Rudi Johnson, then select the next best available wideout, someone like Fitz, Boldin, etc or whoever is next on your rankings list.

My logic is that after Manning, the qb's are very similar in numbers. Hasselback is nice, but I think you could still fill out your roster and get someone with similar numbers, say Jake Delhomme or Marc Bulger, in later rounds.

It all depends on value. The wideout you select at 2.02 could be much higher in point output that the difference between, say, Hasselback and Delhomme.

Interesting stuff...Good luck

 

[DrunkinDwarf]

Oh, I see it is. That is bizarre. So, everyone gets a top-12 RB, a top-12 WR, a top 12 QB, etc...I think the "value" is getting the best of the QBs if possible and a top-tier WR since it's a start 3. I'd probably go that way.

Its jacked up, but our Commish thinks it helps balance the league by at least giving everyone an opportunity to get a top 12 at each position. It never works out that way, but at least the opportunity is present. this is the first year I am lucky enough to get an 11 or 12 spot. Usually I am stuck in the middle.In this format (here are the mock results for round 1 and turn) -1.01 - LT1.02 - SA1.03 - LJ1.04 - Manning1.05 - Tiki (ppr league)1.06 - Portis 1.07 - S Smith1.08 - C Johnson1.09 - L Jordan1.10 - Harrison1.11 - Fitzgerald1.12 - R Moss2.01 - S Jackson2.02 - HasselbeckSo I wind up with Hasselbeck and Fitzgerald....but I am guaranteed two of the following rbs (Westbrook, Rudi, Cadillac, Ronnie Brown, Edge, Kevin Jones, Chester Taylor, etc). I guess if I jumped on Jackson though, I would diminish my ability to get a tier 2 qb or tier 1 wr.

Very interesting ... Based upon the above mock, I would seriously consider taking Gates at 1.11 and then a WR in rd. 2.IMO, Gates has by far the biggest gap between him and the rest of the guys at his position. Getting him in the first and then still being able to grab a top 5-8 WR would make the most sense to me.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Oh, I see it is. That is bizarre. So, everyone gets a top-12 RB, a top-12 WR, a top 12 QB, etc...I think the "value" is getting the best of the QBs if possible and a top-tier WR since it's a start 3. I'd probably go that way.

Its jacked up, but our Commish thinks it helps balance the league by at least giving everyone an opportunity to get a top 12 at each position. It never works out that way, but at least the opportunity is present. this is the first year I am lucky enough to get an 11 or 12 spot. Usually I am stuck in the middle.In this format (here are the mock results for round 1 and turn) -1.01 - LT1.02 - SA1.03 - LJ1.04 - Manning1.05 - Tiki (ppr league)1.06 - Portis 1.07 - S Smith1.08 - C Johnson1.09 - L Jordan1.10 - Harrison1.11 - Fitzgerald1.12 - R Moss2.01 - S Jackson2.02 - HasselbeckSo I wind up with Hasselbeck and Fitzgerald....but I am guaranteed two of the following rbs (Westbrook, Rudi, Cadillac, Ronnie Brown, Edge, Kevin Jones, Chester Taylor, etc). I guess if I jumped on Jackson though, I would diminish my ability to get a tier 2 qb or tier 1 wr.

Very interesting ... Based upon the above mock, I would seriously consider taking Gates at 1.11 and then a WR in rd. 2.IMO, Gates has by far the biggest gap between him and the rest of the guys at his position. Getting him in the first and then still being able to grab a top 5-8 WR would make the most sense to me.

There is no TE requirement in our league. If you draft a TE it coutns as a WR.

 

[[scooter]]

1. never draft a QB in the 1st round unless you start 2 QBs.

2. definitely go RB in the 8th round

3. if I were you I'd go RB-WR-WR in the first 3 rounds, then probably mix things up by drafting the top defensive player in the 4th or 5th round (to beat everyone to the punch). QB is a low priority here.

 

[videoguy505]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 07:29 PM' post='5352419']

1. never draft a QB in the 1st round unless you start 2 QBs.

2. definitely go RB in the 8th round

3. if I were you I'd go RB-WR-WR in the first 3 rounds, then probably mix things up by drafting the top defensive player in the 4th or 5th round (to beat everyone to the punch). QB is a low priority here.

He can't, that's against the rules. Once he picks a WR he can't pick another until the 8th.Save the RB slot. In the even-numbered rounds you're picking 2nd in the round. You'll have the second choice of all backups.

Since you're picking 11th of 12, at worst 11 RBs are off the board before your pick in the 7th round (each team has picked one). So you get RB 12, and 13 or 14, if you figure the guy at the 12 hole will do the same thing. If you grab an RB early, you'll get RB 11, and 12-14 in round 8. There's no difference at RB between these two strategies.

There's no reason at all to pick an RB before the 7th round, unless you feel RB 11 is in a completely different tier than RB 12--something like 5 points a week better. Like I said, since there's no difference between the RB combo at 1.11 and 8.02, and the combo at 7.11 and 8.02, since at most only 1 RB can be taken between the two picks.... The only difference is what other players you are passing on to make that pick. I think there is sufficient value differences elsewhere, at other positions, that are greater than the difference between RB11 and RB12. I'm sure that either the drop between the 2nd best QBs and the 3rd best QBs tiers, or the drop between the elite WRs and the 2nd best WRs, will offer up the best value when your pick comes up, it's up to you to see what happens when you draft and let it come to you.

All you can be sure of is that at RB you're probably getting the 12/14 combo, which you can't improve upon much using any strategy, so go with the one that gives you best value elsewhere.

 

[robertgates]

The only way you go QB is if it is Peyton. With FBG projections he could be about 40 or 50 pts better than the guys ranked about 5-7. After him 2-12 are within about 20 pts of each other. I think your better play is a RB, all other positions 1-12 are within 10-20 pts. Where the drop off from Tiki(4) to Jordan(12) is nearly 50pts. But the biggest thing that is being overlooked is what ranking everyone is using. If everyone is using the same ranking that will influence your decision, since you pretty much know the exact pool everyone is choosing from. But if each person uses their own cheatsheets, then that would obviously change a lot of things. The person I would target is Jackson. If you read the Average Magazine ranking article, since most people use magazines to get their rankings, it has Jackson at 9. Where the current staff ranking has him at 5, so this is your value play. I would also think about Gates as a possible 3rd WR. Most people will take the approach that you do not need to draft a TE since it is not required, but the top TEs put up better numbers than most 3rd WR on the board. Just my two cents. Hope this helps.

 

[renesauz]

Is it PPR? If so, then look at Gates and a top receiver at the 1/2 turn. To me, this is a no-brainer. RB DEFINATELY get's put off until the 8th round...your gaurenteed one of your top 12 backs regardless of which round you take them, so it would be silly to go any other round.

If Manning is still on the board for your second pick, I think you have to take him.

 

[renesauz]

Is it PPR? If so, then look at Gates and a top receiver at the 1/2 turn. To me, this is a no-brainer. RB DEFINATELY get's put off until the 8th round...your gaurenteed one of your top 12 backs regardless of which round you take them, so it would be silly to go any other round.If Manning is still on the board for your second pick, I think you have to take him.

Check that...didn't notice TE"s weren't required. Manning in the first if he's there, top flight WR in the second.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Is it PPR? If so, then look at Gates and a top receiver at the 1/2 turn. To me, this is a no-brainer. RB DEFINATELY get's put off until the 8th round...your gaurenteed one of your top 12 backs regardless of which round you take them, so it would be silly to go any other round.If Manning is still on the board for your second pick, I think you have to take him.

Check that...didn't notice TE"s weren't required. Manning in the first if he's there, top flight WR in the second.

Manning will be gone by #11. However, I totally agree with your thinking.If Steven Jackson is available I will take him - but he won't be so I will leave my RB until round 7.So now I decided between Hasselbeck, Brady or Palmer in Round 1 and then follow that up two picks later with a tier 1 wr (I figure TO, Chad and Smith will be gone so I will be picking bewteen Fitz, Moss and Harrison probably in that order...although I hate Moss so harrison and Fitz).

 

[[scooter]]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 07:29 PM' post='5352419']

1. never draft a QB in the 1st round unless you start 2 QBs.

2. definitely go RB in the 8th round

3. if I were you I'd go RB-WR-WR in the first 3 rounds, then probably mix things up by drafting the top defensive player in the 4th or 5th round (to beat everyone to the punch). QB is a low priority here.

He can't, that's against the rules. Once he picks a WR he can't pick another until the 8th.

Whoops. In that case, I'd go WR-RB. QB is still a low priority, although the draft rules almost force you to take a QB in the first 3 rounds.

Still, I bet he finds a QB or two in rounds 8+ that are just as good as what he finds in round 3.