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Unreal Turn of Events from Tebow Scoring Change (1 Viewer)

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Blue Meanie

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Our Super Bowl was last week. It ended in a TIE (108-108). Amazing to begin with. Our tiebreaker rules state that the team with more Bench Points wins a tiebreaker, and Team 1's bench outscored Team 2's bench easily. So Team 1 was declared the winner. Team 2 started Tim Teboew at QB who threw a Pick-6 during the game which counts as -4 points in our league.

Tim Tebow was originally charged with the Pick-6, which was then revised to a Fumble on Wednesday of this week (by Elias Sports Bureau and NFL.com). The impact is of course that Tebow should accurately get the Pick-6 reversed (adds 4 points to AAJG) and be charged with a lost Fumble instead (takes 1 point away), for a net changed of +3 points to Team 2. This of course would negate the tie won by Team 1 and give Team 2 the Super Bowl victory.

So, this leaves me/us in a bit of a pickle. There are two issues as I see things:

(1) Who is the rightful winner of the Super Bowl, and

(2) Who is entitled to how much money in light of this strange circumstance.

On Item #1 it seems clear to me that the rightful winner of the Super Bowl is indeed Team 2 and not Team 1.

On Item #2, I am a bit murky. Either:

(a) Team 2 wins the Super Bowl prize money ($1,080) and Team 1 win the Super Bowl Runner-Up money ($540), or

(b) Both teams split the 1st and 2nd place prize money evenly on account of this bizarre outcome ($810 each)

Thoughts? Amazing huh???

-M

 
'Blue Meanie said:
Our Super Bowl was last week. It ended in a TIE (108-108). Amazing to begin with. Our tiebreaker rules state that the team with more Bench Points wins a tiebreaker, and Team 1's bench outscored Team 2's bench easily. So Team 1 was declared the winner. Team 2 started Tim Teboew at QB who threw a Pick-6 during the game which counts as -4 points in our league.Tim Tebow was originally charged with the Pick-6, which was then revised to a Fumble on Wednesday of this week (by Elias Sports Bureau and NFL.com). The impact is of course that Tebow should accurately get the Pick-6 reversed (adds 4 points to AAJG) and be charged with a lost Fumble instead (takes 1 point away), for a net changed of +3 points to Team 2. This of course would negate the tie won by Team 1 and give Team 2 the Super Bowl victory.So, this leaves me/us in a bit of a pickle. There are two issues as I see things:(1) Who is the rightful winner of the Super Bowl, and(2) Who is entitled to how much money in light of this strange circumstance.On Item #1 it seems clear to me that the rightful winner of the Super Bowl is indeed Team 2 and not Team 1.On Item #2, I am a bit murky. Either:(a) Team 2 wins the Super Bowl prize money ($1,080) and Team 1 win the Super Bowl Runner-Up money ($540), or(b) Both teams split the 1st and 2nd place prize money evenly on account of this bizarre outcome ($810 each)Thoughts? Amazing huh???-M
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Team 2 wins, so Team 2 gets the all the "winner" money. :shrug:Yes, the scoring change made it take longer, but I really don't see the issue.
 
It sounds like your league doesnt have its own specific cutoff date for scoring finality.

If I were you, I would go with whatever site you're using shows the score as today and that's the result. Payout should be governed by whatever result that may be according to your league's payout rules. Changing the payout rules at this point is bush league.

 
'scott72 said:
Heartbreak for team 1, but team 2 is the rightful winner and should take the 1st place prize..
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:goodposting: If it's a league with friends team 2 should take team 1 out for a night of drinking. This will be a story that will live on in your league for a long while.
 
I want to hear from leagues that sent payments out before these stat changes and then had a change in results. I got my cash a day before they came to light.

 
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It depends on your league rules. A lot of leagues don't have the rules set up to take stat changes into account. This was the case in my dynasty league on MFL until a few years ago when an owner noticed that one of his players was not given a FF, which would have given his team the win. We looked into this, and turned stat changes on starting in the following season, and have been using them ever since. It makes things interesting, because with any close win, you can never really feel confident until stat changes come out on Thursday. It adds an extra element that I love, because on the flipside it gives teams who lost a close game hope.

Bottom line, if your league has not been using stat changes this season, then team 1 wins. You can't just decide to start using them this week. It sucks for team 2, but it's possible many other close games would have ended differently over the course of the season, so you go with the rules that got you there.

If, on the other hand, stat changes have been in place all season, then it's easy. Team 2 wins.

 
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As always - awesome feedback, thanks to all.

"Thatguy" might have the only possible claim that Team 1 can raise here, as otherwise I entirely agree that Team 2 wins and gets the money for winning. But technically, since this has never formally come up before, our rules are silent on the issue. That said, we have had instances where there have been stat changes in the past, and I have manually reversed the outcome, but never for a Super Bowl so now I dont know if the right thing to do is to (i) award the winnings to Team 2 or (ii) leave the outcome as is (Team 1 wins) and use this as the basis to add a clear provision in our rules for future years...

 
'Blue Meanie said:
Our Super Bowl was last week. It ended in a TIE (108-108). Amazing to begin with. Our tiebreaker rules state that the team with more Bench Points wins a tiebreaker, and Team 1's bench outscored Team 2's bench easily. So Team 1 was declared the winner. Team 2 started Tim Teboew at QB who threw a Pick-6 during the game which counts as -4 points in our league.Tim Tebow was originally charged with the Pick-6, which was then revised to a Fumble on Wednesday of this week (by Elias Sports Bureau and NFL.com). The impact is of course that Tebow should accurately get the Pick-6 reversed (adds 4 points to AAJG) and be charged with a lost Fumble instead (takes 1 point away), for a net changed of +3 points to Team 2. This of course would negate the tie won by Team 1 and give Team 2 the Super Bowl victory.So, this leaves me/us in a bit of a pickle. There are two issues as I see things:(1) Who is the rightful winner of the Super Bowl, and(2) Who is entitled to how much money in light of this strange circumstance.On Item #1 it seems clear to me that the rightful winner of the Super Bowl is indeed Team 2 and not Team 1.On Item #2, I am a bit murky. Either:(a) Team 2 wins the Super Bowl prize money ($1,080) and Team 1 win the Super Bowl Runner-Up money ($540), or(b) Both teams split the 1st and 2nd place prize money evenly on account of this bizarre outcome ($810 each)Thoughts? Amazing huh???-M
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Team 2 should be pissed they did not feel the joy of winning the championship game like Team 1 did. Team 1 felt that moment of glory for two days. Money cannot replace that ultimate winning feeling ... but the extra $540 will help Team 2 get over it.
 
'Blue Meanie said:
As always - awesome feedback, thanks to all."Thatguy" might have the only possible claim that Team 1 can raise here, as otherwise I entirely agree that Team 2 wins and gets the money for winning. But technically, since this has never formally come up before, our rules are silent on the issue. That said, we have had instances where there have been stat changes in the past, and I have manually reversed the outcome, but never for a Super Bowl so now I dont know if the right thing to do is to (i) award the winnings to Team 2 or (ii) leave the outcome as is (Team 1 wins) and use this as the basis to add a clear provision in our rules for future years...
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Now your story sounds made up. Make up an ending to it and go with that.
 
You must be new to fantasy football if you're league doesn't take into account stat changes. They happen every single week.

 
'Blue Meanie said:
As always - awesome feedback, thanks to all."Thatguy" might have the only possible claim that Team 1 can raise here, as otherwise I entirely agree that Team 2 wins and gets the money for winning. But technically, since this has never formally come up before, our rules are silent on the issue. That said, we have had instances where there have been stat changes in the past, and I have manually reversed the outcome, but never for a Super Bowl so now I dont know if the right thing to do is to (i) award the winnings to Team 2 or (ii) leave the outcome as is (Team 1 wins) and use this as the basis to add a clear provision in our rules for future years...
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huh? so youve done it in the past? how is the super bowl any different?
 
'Blue Meanie said:
As always - awesome feedback, thanks to all."Thatguy" might have the only possible claim that Team 1 can raise here, as otherwise I entirely agree that Team 2 wins and gets the money for winning. But technically, since this has never formally come up before, our rules are silent on the issue. That said, we have had instances where there have been stat changes in the past, and I have manually reversed the outcome, but never for a Super Bowl so now I dont know if the right thing to do is to (i) award the winnings to Team 2 or (ii) leave the outcome as is (Team 1 wins) and use this as the basis to add a clear provision in our rules for future years...
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Come on man. If you've made stat changes throughout the year, then why on earth wouldn't you do it now? Do the right thing, even if it is you that owns team 1..
 
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I am neither Team 1 or Team 2. And this is our 12th year. Yes we have had stat changes before, but who among you out there can honestly say they have ever had a stat change overturn a Super Bowl? I thought not.

Thanks all, no more input needed, I am good. Team 2 wins, gets the dough, I just wanted to be sure.

 
'Blue Meanie said:
I am neither Team 1 or Team 2. And this is our 12th year. Yes we have had stat changes before, but who among you out there can honestly say they have ever had a stat change overturn a Super Bowl? I thought not.Thanks all, no more input needed, I am good. Team 2 wins, gets the dough, I just wanted to be sure.
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I would imagine the vast majority of FBG's use decimal scoring so they avoid all of this silly nonsense. Heck, we would have had a playoff tie twice this year if we didn't use decimal scoring. The second mistake is using bench points (ie, the guy carrying the most QB's) to decide the tie. Why not use a stat from the starters, the guys that actually played? Like the team with the most TD's scored by starters, most first downs scored, most yardage, etc. Most bench points, seriously?!?!
 
'stugnut said:
'Blue Meanie said:
I am neither Team 1 or Team 2. And this is our 12th year. Yes we have had stat changes before, but who among you out there can honestly say they have ever had a stat change overturn a Super Bowl? I thought not.Thanks all, no more input needed, I am good. Team 2 wins, gets the dough, I just wanted to be sure.
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I would imagine the vast majority of FBG's use decimal scoring so they avoid all of this silly nonsense. Heck, we would have had a playoff tie twice this year if we didn't use decimal scoring. The second mistake is using bench points (ie, the guy carrying the most QB's) to decide the tie. Why not use a stat from the starters, the guys that actually played? Like the team with the most TD's scored by starters, most first downs scored, most yardage, etc. Most bench points, seriously?!?!
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You can use anything you want to as a tiebreaker, even have a longest dong contest.
 
'Blue Meanie said:
As always - awesome feedback, thanks to all.

"Thatguy" might have the only possible claim that Team 1 can raise here, as otherwise I entirely agree that Team 2 wins and gets the money for winning. But technically, since this has never formally come up before, our rules are silent on the issue. That said, we have had instances where there have been stat changes in the past, and I have manually reversed the outcome, but never for a Super Bowl so now I dont know if the right thing to do is to (i) award the winnings to Team 2 or (ii) leave the outcome as is (Team 1 wins) and use this as the basis to add a clear provision in our rules for future years...
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Why would the super bowl be any different than any other weeks? It sucks to lose on a stat change but it sucks worse to lose on an incorrectly attributed stat worse. Bottom line is all leagues need a stat correction timeline, before which, all results aren't final. Make one for next year ( ours is kickof of the first game of the new week) and stick to it.

 
I think what's really unreal is you went the previous 15 weeks with no stat changes.

btw, I won my superbowl by 3/5ths of a point after stat changes.

 
'Blue Meanie said:
I am neither Team 1 or Team 2. And this is our 12th year. Yes we have had stat changes before, but who among you out there can honestly say they have ever had a stat change overturn a Super Bowl? I thought not.

Thanks all, no more input needed, I am good. Team 2 wins, gets the dough, I just wanted to be sure.
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Happened in one of my leagues this year. The 49ers D was credited with an additional sack during stat changes, which overturned the Super Bowl. The guy who was awarded the title earlier in the week was disappointed, but there was no argument.
 
'stugnut said:
'Blue Meanie said:
I am neither Team 1 or Team 2. And this is our 12th year. Yes we have had stat changes before, but who among you out there can honestly say they have ever had a stat change overturn a Super Bowl? I thought not.

Thanks all, no more input needed, I am good. Team 2 wins, gets the dough, I just wanted to be sure.
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I would imagine the vast majority of FBG's use decimal scoring so they avoid all of this silly nonsense. Heck, we would have had a playoff tie twice this year if we didn't use decimal scoring. The second mistake is using bench points (ie, the guy carrying the most QB's) to decide the tie. Why not use a stat from the starters, the guys that actually played? Like the team with the most TD's scored by starters, most first downs scored, most yardage, etc. Most bench points, seriously?!?!
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:goodposting: I agree that bench points is the worst tie breaker ever. So you penalize a team that has Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Big Ben, and Darren McFadden on their bench and reward the team who started the wrong guys because his bench guys did better than his starters?

Using decimal points will eliminate 99% of the ties. If you still have ties during the regular season then simply leave it as a tie. If you have ties in the playoffs then use a stat from the starters like stugnut suggests. Or you could break the tie by using the higher seed (that makes the regular season more important).

To answer the original question, if you've used stat corrections before then use them now. Team 2 wins!

 
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'thatguy said:
It depends on your league rules. A lot of leagues don't have the rules set up to take stat changes into account. This was the case in my dynasty league on MFL until a few years ago when an owner noticed that one of his players was not given a FF, which would have given his team the win. We looked into this, and turned stat changes on starting in the following season, and have been using them ever since. It makes things interesting, because with any close win, you can never really feel confident until stat changes come out on Thursday. It adds an extra element that I love, because on the flipside it gives teams who lost a close game hope.Bottom line, if your league has not been using stat changes this season, then team 1 wins. You can't just decide to start using them this week. It sucks for team 2, but it's possible many other close games would have ended differently over the course of the season, so you go with the rules that got you there. If, on the other hand, stat changes have been in place all season, then it's easy. Team 2 wins.
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There's your answer. Pretty simple really.
 
'Blue Meanie said:
As always - awesome feedback, thanks to all.

"Thatguy" might have the only possible claim that Team 1 can raise here, as otherwise I entirely agree that Team 2 wins and gets the money for winning. But technically, since this has never formally come up before, our rules are silent on the issue. That said, we have had instances where there have been stat changes in the past, and I have manually reversed the outcome, but never for a Super Bowl so now I dont know if the right thing to do is to (i) award the winnings to Team 2 or (ii) leave the outcome as is (Team 1 wins) and use this as the basis to add a clear provision in our rules for future years...
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"All fantasy games are final as of the start of NFL games the following week. All scoring changes reported by our fantasy hosting service during this time will be applied to game results. In the event of a dispute, our fantasy hosting service is the final source for all fantasy stats."Note: If you go with non-standard scoring definitions (anything that doesn't match your site), such as for plays like "what constitutes a special teams play" or for when "a team fumbles to the defense who fumble it back to the offense who scores", then you need to specifically list that as an exception to the hosting service being the final source, and specifically state how you handle it in a way that can be applied to every situation. Easier to stick with the hosting service though.

I suggest sticking with the fantasy hosting service as the final source after a bad encounter in a league I commished where our rules had the NFL.com gamebooks as the final source. An owner went through them line by line throwing up many complaints to try to get his cousin into the playoffs, all of which were based on misreadings of what the stats were in the gamebook such as mixing up total, solo and assisted tackles, and I had to go through point by point and refute it and have a drawn out argment over it with him. Owner ended up apologizing for it later, but at the end of the season I told the league we were either going to pass a vote to switch it to MFL as the final source, or the league could find a new commish as I wasn't going through that again the next time someone wanted a win that didn't earn it.

 
'scothawk said:
'shadyridr said:
'Spiderman said:
In our league, the higher seed wins any tie-breaker.
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Thats horrible.So some dude who has Manning/Charles etc, pacthes together a team that makes it to the playoffs the loses because someone else did better in the regualar season woithout an injury problem?No way I play under those rules.
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Yes, the only fair way is to have a commission of judges decide how many points the players on IR would have scored, go back through the season and adjust all the scoring accordingly, award the wins and losses based on the judges' rulings, then have those teams qualify for the playoffs. Very simple and straightforward.
 
'scothawk said:
'shadyridr said:
'Spiderman said:
In our league, the higher seed wins any tie-breaker.
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:goodposting:
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Thats horrible.So some dude who has Manning/Charles etc, pacthes together a team that makes it to the playoffs the loses because someone else did better in the regualar season woithout an injury problem?No way I play under those rules.
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The rule simply gives the nod to the team with the better regular season in the rare event of a play-off tie. Don't NFL teams compete for the entire regular season to gain home field advantage?The contrived team of walking wounded that valiantly fought and scraped to make the play-offs only to find themselves on the short end of a tie exists only in your mind.
 
'scothawk said:
'shadyridr said:
'Spiderman said:
In our league, the higher seed wins any tie-breaker.
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:goodposting:
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Thats horrible.So some dude who has Manning/Charles etc, pacthes together a team that makes it to the playoffs the loses because someone else did better in the regualar season woithout an injury problem?No way I play under those rules.
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lol dude it only happens on the rare occassion there is a tie
 
'shadyridr said:
'scothawk said:
'shadyridr said:
'Spiderman said:
In our league, the higher seed wins any tie-breaker.
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:goodposting:
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Thats horrible.So some dude who has Manning/Charles etc, pacthes together a team that makes it to the playoffs the loses because someone else did better in the regualar season woithout an injury problem?No way I play under those rules.
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lol dude it only happens on the rare occassion there is a tie
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Yes, the team who has a better regular season gets the top seeds, and therefore, the tie-breaker as an award for a strong regular season.
 
'Kool-Aid Larry said:
who would've imagined after all these years of fantasy football we'd see a game reversed on stat correction.unreal.
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I think we had 3 or 4 games reversed this season due to stat corrections. I was involved in 2 of them - lost one and won one. And we have decimal scoring down to the hundredth of a point, and have had a tie even with that. :D
 
'shadyridr said:
dont see how this is an issue. tell team 1 to stop being a #####
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no ones being an #####, he is just asking for thoughts, even though it is obvious what the answer is.whoever wins the superbowl after the corrected stats deserves the money.end of thread
 
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