Updated info in post 40, Kevin Jones expected to play in week 3 (1 Viewer)

[Hoot&HoLLer]

I think Kevin Jones in a ppr offers great promise in about another 5-7 weeks. Detroit has a somewhat tough SOS at RB for the year. I would like to have a KJ in my corral, but I would need to be careful not to overpay. I think the promise he holds may mean that one might need to overpay to get him though...so I would look at my rb stable and see if he is a significant upgrade.

I like what I am seeing from Lamont Jordan right now. Plus two games with him v. KC is looking nice... so unless the price is just right on Kevin Jones, I am OK with Jordan. Tough call...I wish I was the guy that took the flyer on Jones in the 11-13 rounds.

 

[Dt's Mules]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

I have Lamont Jordan and I would not trade him for KJ right now.

I tend to lean that way.My question is even when KJ gets healthy...are people really thinking that TBell will never carry the ball or catch anything out of the backfield? KJ wasn't ripping it up on the ground last year, he was great OOTB, but those catches might be split, plus plus plus we are seeing the 21st century version of the run n shoot right now.

depends on the situation. i own kj and had lots of talks with the jordan owner heading into preseason. I held on to kj b/c in a start 2 rb league, i have 2 fine rb's to start and can wait for kj to return to last years form (if ever).I understand jordan has more value now, but it's my opinion that kj will outscore jordan in the last 8 games of the season.To further complicate the issue, each of those players (jordan and kj) are each "signed" for 3 years and worth the same amount of money against our cap in my league. Without ACF'ing this, what is the consensus opinion that KJ will outproduce the jordans of the world over the last 8 weeks of the year?I am thinking that KJ will outscore the RB15-RB20s over the last 8 weeks, but I fear that when he comes back, tater could still eat into his production. How that situation plays out is going to win a lot of people's leagues IMO.Oh and I guess jordan has the same concerns of Rhodes eating his production when he comes back.and btw, anthony: great job on keeping us informed on the kj situation...thanks.

 

[Dt's Mules]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

I have Lamont Jordan and I would not trade him for KJ right now.

I tend to lean that way.My question is even when KJ gets healthy...are people really thinking that TBell will never carry the ball or catch anything out of the backfield? KJ wasn't ripping it up on the ground last year, he was great OOTB, but those catches might be split, plus plus plus we are seeing the 21st century version of the run n shoot right now.

doesn't jordan have some concerns about losing touches to rhodes upon his return? I see a recurring theme across multiple leagues of talks b/w jordan owners and jones owners.

 

[JohnnyU]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

I have Lamont Jordan and I would not trade him for KJ right now.

I have KJ and wouldn't trade him for Lamont Jordan.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

I have Lamont Jordan and I would not trade him for KJ right now.

I tend to lean that way.My question is even when KJ gets healthy...are people really thinking that TBell will never carry the ball or catch anything out of the backfield? KJ wasn't ripping it up on the ground last year, he was great OOTB, but those catches might be split, plus plus plus we are seeing the 21st century version of the run n shoot right now.

depends on the situation. i own kj and had lots of talks with the jordan owner heading into preseason. I held on to kj b/c in a start 2 rb league, i have 2 fine rb's to start and can wait for kj to return to last years form (if ever).I understand jordan has more value now, but it's my opinion that kj will outscore jordan in the last 8 games of the season.To further complicate the issue, each of those players (jordan and kj) are each "signed" for 3 years and worth the same amount of money against our cap in my league. Without ACF'ing this, what is the consensus opinion that KJ will outproduce the jordans of the world over the last 8 weeks of the year?I am thinking that KJ will outscore the RB15-RB20s over the last 8 weeks, but I fear that when he comes back, tater could still eat into his production. How that situation plays out is going to win a lot of people's leagues IMO.Oh and I guess jordan has the same concerns of Rhodes eating his production when he comes back.and btw, anthony: great job on keeping us informed on the kj situation...thanks.

Nice post, and prop to BBB for keeping us all in the know.Rhodes cannot catch the ball as well as LJordan OOTB so I think Jordan will see a lot of the offense even when Rhodes comes back. What I see in Rhodes though is a guy that will see the ball maybe every 3rd or 4th series to keep Jordan fresh. Is Jordan going to get pulled for Rhodes near the goal line? What does Rhodes do better than Jordan?What does TBell do better than KJ? I think he has more flat out speed and speed is what matters to Mike Martz the most it seems.

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Kevin Jones is fast....Tatum is super fast.

I think fast is good enough....KJ has better overall RB skills than Tatum.

The thought reminds of a guy named Dwight Stone....from the Steelers and Panthers and Jets in the late 80's and 90's....he was fast too....just not a good RB. Tater Bell is better than Dwight Stone was, but I use that ancedote to illustrate that speed alone does not a RB make.

 

[Lash]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

In most cases I would. The key is how I think I can do while Jones is on the bench. You can't afford to fall too fat behind early in the year. But the teams that have KJ and can stay close while he is out are in a great spot.

true!i have LT and KJ as my only two viable RBs in a start 2 league (had to start ATrain in week one ouch)

almost lucked out in week one but lost after starting Dallas Def instead of GB defense

but i picked up Ward and hope he can at least get me to KJ full time status

if not, oh well, then maybe by this time next year it'll be LT, healthy-KJ, and McFadden

 

[Righetti]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

I have Lamont Jordan and I would not trade him for KJ right now.

I have KJ and wouldn't trade him for Lamont Jordan.

I second that thought

 

[RamMan]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

I have Lamont Jordan and I would not trade him for KJ right now.

I tend to lean that way.My question is even when KJ gets healthy...are people really thinking that TBell will never carry the ball or catch anything out of the backfield? KJ wasn't ripping it up on the ground last year, he was great OOTB, but those catches might be split, plus plus plus we are seeing the 21st century version of the run n shoot right now.

WIll Rhodes take carries from Jordan?

It depends on Lamont. If he's playing well I can't see Rhodes taking many touches away from him (other than an occasional series, 3rd down, or goal line carry). However, if Jordan even begins to slip, I could envision Rhodes eating into his carries in a significant way (perhaps even a RBBC). Rhodes is certainly nothing special, but the Raiders did pay decent bucks for him and I don't think Kiffen would hesitate to use him.

 

[winkdogs]

Would you move Brandon Jackson for KJ now....Jackson might be splitting carries w/ Morency any week now and at least Jones has upside...

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Bell was picked up in case KJ wasn't ready. He's not a terrible player, but KJ is a "Detroit" guy, the team likes him and it's really his job. That's not always the case with injured RBs, but I think it is here.

The truth is that Bell just isn't a premier receiver. He can't do special things with a swing pass on a regular basis. KJ can. In a Mike Martz offense, that's what really matters.

I think a few weeks from now, KJ will have that special game and reclaim the job. Bell will spell him from time to time, but he'll be a backup. I think fantasy teams are looking at a good half the season (week 7-14 or so) with a RB1 in a PPR.

Again, I'm not really knocking Bell, but he wasn't brought in to take the job. He was insurance. If Jones hadn't gotten hurt, Bell never would have gotten a look. I just don't see this as a "take the job while the main guy is injured" type of situation.

 

[Kiddnets]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

I have Lamont Jordan and I would not trade him for KJ right now.

I tend to lean that way.My question is even when KJ gets healthy...are people really thinking that TBell will never carry the ball or catch anything out of the backfield? KJ wasn't ripping it up on the ground last year, he was great OOTB, but those catches might be split, plus plus plus we are seeing the 21st century version of the run n shoot right now.

how about a RBBC guy like Barber vs KJ?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Would anyone consider trading Lamont Jordan to the Kevin Jones owner? Just a thought...

I have Lamont Jordan and I would not trade him for KJ right now.

I tend to lean that way.My question is even when KJ gets healthy...are people really thinking that TBell will never carry the ball or catch anything out of the backfield? KJ wasn't ripping it up on the ground last year, he was great OOTB, but those catches might be split, plus plus plus we are seeing the 21st century version of the run n shoot right now.

how about a RBBC guy like Barber vs KJ?

Marinelli said KJ will likely play, but he would not go so far as to guarantee it. He said if things go as they have, he would expect KJ to play 15-20 snaps in week 3.

 

[Sabertooth]

Kevin Jones is fast....Tatum is super fast. I think fast is good enough....KJ has better overall RB skills than Tatum.The thought reminds of a guy named Dwight Stone....from the Steelers and Panthers and Jets in the late 80's and 90's....he was fast too....just not a good RB. Tater Bell is better than Dwight Stone was, but I use that ancedote to illustrate that speed alone does not a RB make.

Leshon Johnson instantly comes to mind as well. Or Michael Bennett

 

[DeadStroke]

Supposedly, Mike Martz was the one pushing hard to keep KJ off PUP. Martz knows that KJ has the most to offer when he's on the field and wanted him back ASAP. He's not the fastest, Tatum Bell is (may be the fastest in the league), but KJ is plenty fast. He's not the best power runner, TJ Duckett is, but KJ can run with power. KJ worked really hard last season on both his blitz pickups and his receiving skills and it showed (61 receptions for 521 yards last season), he's superior to both Bell and Duckett in both those areas and Martz loves to use the RB in the passing game. It'll still be a couple weeks before they give KJ a full work load, they'll gradually work him in. When he is fully healthy, there will be some sort of RBBC, but KJ will get the most looks. IMO, he'll be a solid #2 RB in most leagues, he'll average getting 100 total yards with 5 or so receptions and probably at least a TD every other week.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Would you move Brandon Jackson for KJ now....Jackson might be splitting carries w/ Morency any week now and at least Jones has upside...

yes, because Jackson also has to worry about Wynn

 

[akchahal]

What's ppl's gut feel on how Kevin Jones is gonna do in Det when he's back

 

[Joe Kidd]

 

[cobalt_27]

I don't know. I drove my Honda into the other thread about KJ coming back and left my gut feelings there. Maybe if you go visit the place, you can find what you're looking for and what I might have said.

Your GPS for finding this place is located in the Search feature above you to the right.

hth

 

[Anthony Borbely]

What's ppl's gut feel on how Kevin Jones is gonna do in Det when he's back

There is a bunch of talk about Kevin Jones, the link is below.Kevin Jones thread

 

[Ack88]

My biggest concern fo KJ is the number of touches he'll get. Martz simply does not run the football. That alone will keep him on your bench. Until there is a hint of balance in the Lion offense, no RB is worth much.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

I don't know. I drove my Honda into the other thread about KJ coming back and left my gut feelings there. Maybe if you go visit the place, you can find what you're looking for and what I might have said.Your GPS for finding this place is located in the Search feature above you to the right.hth

 

[Eagle Eye]

My biggest concern fo KJ is the number of touches he'll get. Martz simply does not run the football. That alone will keep him on your bench. Until there is a hint of balance in the Lion offense, no RB is worth much.

Has Martz ever had a startable running back?

 

[akchahal]

My biggest concern fo KJ is the number of touches he'll get. Martz simply does not run the football. That alone will keep him on your bench. Until there is a hint of balance in the Lion offense, no RB is worth much.

Has Martz ever had a startable running back?

Just some guy named Mashal Faulk

 

[yellowdog]

My biggest concern fo KJ is the number of touches he'll get. Martz simply does not run the football. That alone will keep him on your bench. Until there is a hint of balance in the Lion offense, no RB is worth much.

So, your league doesn't count receiving yards for RBs?

 

[Chunky Soup]

My biggest concern fo KJ is the number of touches he'll get. Martz simply does not run the football. That alone will keep him on your bench. Until there is a hint of balance in the Lion offense, no RB is worth much.

Has Martz ever had a startable running back?

Just some guy named Mashal Faulk

And...Kevin Jones?

 

[akchahal]

My biggest concern fo KJ is the number of touches he'll get. Martz simply does not run the football. That alone will keep him on your bench. Until there is a hint of balance in the Lion offense, no RB is worth much.

So, your league doesn't count receiving yards for RBs?

So in PPRs people see some value in KJ 'eh. I agree. Last year his numbers for a RB were fantastic. If he can keep that up, and if Detroit can improve their O-line I think Martz wants to create the Greatest Show on Turf pt 2 in a couple of seasons.

 

[gman8343]

My biggest concern fo KJ is the number of touches he'll get. Martz simply does not run the football. That alone will keep him on your bench. Until there is a hint of balance in the Lion offense, no RB is worth much.

So, your league doesn't count receiving yards for RBs?

So in PPRs people see some value in KJ 'eh. I agree. Last year his numbers for a RB were fantastic. If he can keep that up, and if Detroit can improve their O-line I think Martz wants to create the Greatest Show on Turf pt 2 in a couple of seasons.

When Kevin Jones got hurt last year he was the 5th best RB in one of my NON-PPR leagues. He was pretty good.

 

[akchahal]

My biggest concern fo KJ is the number of touches he'll get. Martz simply does not run the football. That alone will keep him on your bench. Until there is a hint of balance in the Lion offense, no RB is worth much.

So, your league doesn't count receiving yards for RBs?

So in PPRs people see some value in KJ 'eh. I agree. Last year his numbers for a RB were fantastic. If he can keep that up, and if Detroit can improve their O-line I think Martz wants to create the Greatest Show on Turf pt 2 in a couple of seasons.

When Kevin Jones got hurt last year he was the 5th best RB in one of my NON-PPR leagues. He was pretty good.

I actually traded Ronnie Brown for Kevin Jones. Man what a bust Brown was, don't know why I drafted him. But I think Jones has a lot of potential. Poor man's Westbrook?

 

[Crusaderfan]

I'm dropping T. Bell for KJ this week. Bell just doesn't seem to work in Martz's offense where KJ fit in real nicely last season. If I remember correctly Westbrook suffered a Lisfranc injury in early December 2005 and played in the first game in the 2006 season. He has NOT had any foot problems since. I'm hoping for the same from KJ. Last season he was gold in a PPR league until his injury.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Kevin Jones is fast....Tatum is super fast. I think fast is good enough....KJ has better overall RB skills than Tatum.The thought reminds of a guy named Dwight Stone....from the Steelers and Panthers and Jets in the late 80's and 90's....he was fast too....just not a good RB. Tater Bell is better than Dwight Stone was, but I use that ancedote to illustrate that speed alone does not a RB make.

Dwight "Hands of Stone" who couldn't field a punt to save his life.

 

[Eagle Eye]

I'm dropping T. Bell for KJ this week. Bell just doesn't seem to work in Martz's offense where KJ fit in real nicely last season. If I remember correctly Westbrook suffered a Lisfranc injury in early December 2005 and played in the first game in the 2006 season. He has NOT had any foot problems since. I'm hoping for the same from KJ. Last season he was gold in a PPR league until his injury.

I think your remembering Duce Staley from around 5 years ago. He came back fine for at least one year after the injury.

 

[az_prof]

What's ppl's gut feel on how Kevin Jones is gonna do in Det when he's back

There is a bunch of talk about Kevin Jones, the link is below.Kevin Jones thread

AB, what do you think about Calhoun? He got a few looks last week and seemed to do ok. It seems like Tatum is not the complete package, but do you think Calhoun could be in the future if KJ were to be injured again? In a dynasty, is Calhoun worth owning now? Do you think he will become KJ's primary backup again by the end of this season or next season?

 

[enfuego]

I like Calhoun a lot in a deep dynasty league.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I can't see Calhoun being a starter, but he has good enough hands to be a viable 3rd down back. He just doesn't seem to have good vision, and rarely breaks tackles enough to be a starter.

 

[smackdaddies]

I can't see Calhoun being a starter, but he has good enough hands to be a viable 3rd down back. He just doesn't seem to have good vision, and rarely breaks tackles enough to be a starter.

A little hard to judge Calhoun yet - he has never really played in the NFL (was last week his first game - I cant remember when he got hurt last year)He has great hands and very good speed, and at least in college could pick up a blitz. He was also a wr at colorodo before he transferred to the Badgers.If KJ is out I think you could see alot more of Calhoun (didnt he have more total yards than Bell last week?)If KJ is healthy I would think Calhoun would get 5-10 plays a game (not touchs - plays)But BC will always get my support for his crushing of Auburn

 

[mwaldo13]

Kevin Jones is fast....Tatum is super fast.

I think fast is good enough....KJ has better overall RB skills than Tatum.

The thought reminds of a guy named Dwight Stone....from the Steelers and Panthers and Jets in the late 80's and 90's....he was fast too....just not a good RB. Tater Bell is better than Dwight Stone was, but I use that ancedote to illustrate that speed alone does not a RB make.

Martz + fast RB = Trung Canidate?KJ will replace Bell when he is back and healthy.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Tom Kowalski interviewed Mike Martz today, here are his comments on KJ.

http://blog.mlive.com/lionsinsider/

On the return of Kevin Jones:

"He has great familiarity with what we do, particulary in the running game. The front is vastly improved. The other (backs) are still learning a little bit and Kevin is way ahead of the curve in that respect.''

Does Jones add more toughness in the running game?

"Tatum (Bell) is 225 pounds so we've got big backs. I think they're all capable of doing that, with the exception of maybe Brian Calhoun because he's a little smaller. (Jones) is a different kind of runner, he's a more violent runner, more of a physical runner and that's probably what you're saying and that's true, I think it makes a difference.''