Upgrade G-men passing game (1 Viewer)

[Jayrod]

Here is a list of Giants projected defensive players that are already going to miss time early or out of the season:

Jonathan Goff - starting MLB, out for year with ACL

Terrell Thomas - starting corner, out for year with ACL

Clint Sintim - backup linebacker, out for year with ACL

Brian Jackson - safety depth, out for year with hip injury

Marvin Austin - D-tackle depth (2nd round pick), out for year with torn pec

Prince Amukamara - cornerback (1st round pick), out for a month with broken foot

Osi Umenyiora - starting D-end, recovering from knee surgery and will miss at least the first week...hasn't practiced due to holdout and surgery

Also have these prominent players missing practice, but should start week 1:

Mathias Kiwanuka - starting LB, coming off groing injury

Justin Tuck - starting D-end, coming off neck injury

As a result, I expect the Giants defense to be much worse than expected....therefore, the Giants will be playing catchup more this season and would need to pass more than they want to.

I'm bumping up Eli, Nicks and Manningham in my rankings.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Thanks for the info! This will make me also bump up passing offenses facing the G-Men early in the season.

 

[apalmer]

Either that or they'll try to run the ball more to eat up the clock and kee the D off the field.

 

[Joe Summer]

It's going to be a long year for the Giants.

 

[joffer]

your offense has to be on the field to score points. a bad defense leads to fewer plays for the offense. the "always coming from behind" argument is bunk

 

[CentralPA]

I don't think the Giants defense is going to be as bad everyone says. They still have a healthy Tuck and JPP. They can still get some good pressure on the QB.

 

[footballnerd]

FWIW Dodds still has them ranked pretty well

 

[Jed]

Here is a list of Giants projected defensive players that are already going to miss time early or out of the season:Jonathan Goff - starting MLB, out for year with ACLTerrell Thomas - starting corner, out for year with ACLClint Sintim - backup linebacker, out for year with ACLBrian Jackson - safety depth, out for year with hip injuryMarvin Austin - D-tackle depth (2nd round pick), out for year with torn pecPrince Amukamara - cornerback (1st round pick), out for a month with broken footOsi Umenyiora - starting D-end, recovering from knee surgery and will miss at least the first week...hasn't practiced due to holdout and surgeryAlso have these prominent players missing practice, but should start week 1:Mathias Kiwanuka - starting LB, coming off groing injuryJustin Tuck - starting D-end, coming off neck injuryAs a result, I expect the Giants defense to be much worse than expected....therefore, the Giants will be playing catchup more this season and would need to pass more than they want to.I'm bumping up Eli, Nicks and Manningham in my rankings.

On paper, it looks bad. (Thomas being the worst)But it's not as bad as some are saying. Prince hurts, but he wasn't even going to start (contribute, yes. Start? no). Webster is a great CB, and Ross (former 1st rounder) is not as bad as people think, he's actually pretty solid and finally healthy. Osi is not a huge deal, JPP is probably even better at this point. Goff going down hurts (even though he was mediocre at best), but there are a lot of people that think the rookie Jones deserved the shot at starting. So now he gets his shot. And Tuck is fine.

 

[Joe Summer]

I don't think the Giants defense is going to be as bad everyone says. They still have a healthy Tuck and JPP. They can still get some good pressure on the QB.

That pressure won't mean much if the WRs are as wide open as the great plains.

 

[Insein]

I see a performance similar to the 09 Giants. They let up the 3rd most ppg that season primarily because of a weak secondary. Conversely the offense ranked 8th in points scored and had the 8th best offense in yardage.

So the argument could hold weight. It will depend a lot on Eli not throwing 25 picks this year.

 

[RUSF18]

I also think the injury problems may be a bit overblown. That being said, I also didn't think the Giants would have a good year even if reasonably healthy. What they've done with the offensive line is just another thing that could go very bad.

All that being said though, even if you think "terrible defense = big offensive opportunity", how much better do you think these guys can perform from a fantasy perspective? Eli threw for over 4,000 yards and had his career high in TDs and he's only not ranked higher because of his terrible INT numbers. I know some of those were an aberration, horrible deflections from WRs, but historically he throws a lot of picks. That won't come down with him slinging the ball around to play catch up. Expect some improvement from Nicks (played in 13 games I think) and Manningham based on their own personal growth but going beyond that is too much. Bradshaw and Jacobs are still going to get theirs.

 

[killrobotkill]

Well, I'll give Hightower a bump on this Goff news.

 

[The Hank]

This just in:

NY Giants are playing Rex Grossman and the Redskins!

Not exactly New England or Green Bay offense we are dealing with here.

 

[ThePittbully]

Their secondary is banged up but they had depth to start with, and a stellar pass rush can make an average secondary look good

 

[yoadrian]

I'm bumping up Eli, Nicks and Manningham in my rankings.

A lot of pass attempts does not mean a lot of completions.. that being said I'd bump up Nicks and Manningham, but not Eli, if anything I'd possibly downgrade him.

 

[FavreCo]

Either that or they'll try to run the ball more to eat up the clock and kee the D off the field.

This would be my guess. They already own the exclusive rights to 'delay of game' penalties. Gomer loves letting the play clock hit 1. He likes to give the defense the exact time of the snap. Even though it's the pathetic 'skins, I gotta bench him for Ryan.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

your offense has to be on the field to score points. a bad defense leads to fewer plays for the offense. the "always coming from behind" argument is bunk

disagree a bit with caveat. I would say it bumps the WR's. I would agree that it likely bumps down the running game, a lil less in a PPR league.

 

[qimqam]

Here is a list of Giants projected defensive players that are already going to miss time early or out of the season:Jonathan Goff - starting MLB, out for year with ACLTerrell Thomas - starting corner, out for year with ACLClint Sintim - backup linebacker, out for year with ACLBrian Jackson - safety depth, out for year with hip injuryMarvin Austin - D-tackle depth (2nd round pick), out for year with torn pecPrince Amukamara - cornerback (1st round pick), out for a month with broken footOsi Umenyiora - starting D-end, recovering from knee surgery and will miss at least the first week...hasn't practiced due to holdout and surgeryAlso have these prominent players missing practice, but should start week 1:Mathias Kiwanuka - starting LB, coming off groing injuryJustin Tuck - starting D-end, coming off neck injuryAs a result, I expect the Giants defense to be much worse than expected....therefore, the Giants will be playing catchup more this season and would need to pass more than they want to.I'm bumping up Eli, Nicks and Manningham in my rankings.

On paper, it looks bad. (Thomas being the worst)But it's not as bad as some are saying. Prince hurts, but he wasn't even going to start (contribute, yes. Start? no). Webster is a great CB, and Ross (former 1st rounder) is not as bad as people think, he's actually pretty solid and finally healthy. Osi is not a huge deal, JPP is probably even better at this point. Goff going down hurts (even though he was mediocre at best), but there are a lot of people that think the rookie Jones deserved the shot at starting. So now he gets his shot. And Tuck is fine.

Thank you ... I've watched the Giants very closely this year and I have been trying to tell everyone it's not nearly as bad as they are making it sound. The big problem is the media has been a bunch of sheep just following the herd. Local knuckleheads like Francesa and Michael Kay who knows absolutely nothing about football have been blowing it out of proportion in NY.TT was a bad loss but how many teams have the depth that the Giants have to overcome such a loss?Goff is a big loss not because he is very good but because it leaves them with 4 rookie and only 2 experienced LBsOther than that it's the depth that is starting to get thin. They are very strong on the dline and the starting Safeties and Corners are as good a group as almost any other teams DBs.I really wish they would sign Tatupu it would make the loss of Goff a non issue actually an upgrade.

 

[Joe Summer]

I've watched the Giants very closely this year and I have been trying to tell everyone it's not nearly as bad as they are making it sound. The big problem is the media has been a bunch of sheep just following the herd. Local knuckleheads like Francesa and Michael Kay who knows absolutely nothing about football have been blowing it out of proportion in NY.

And you know more about football than them........how? Because you watch the Giants very closely?

 

[chitlins3]

I've watched the Giants very closely this year and I have been trying to tell everyone it's not nearly as bad as they are making it sound. The big problem is the media has been a bunch of sheep just following the herd. Local knuckleheads like Francesa and Michael Kay who knows absolutely nothing about football have been blowing it out of proportion in NY.

And you know more about football than them........how? Because you watch the Giants very closely?

The majority of this board knows more about football than Francesa and Kay.

 

[Jayrod]

LOL at people saying they will run more. I understand wanting to run the ball more to eat up the clock....but what about when you are down 14? If your defense can't stop anyone how do you expect to keep running the ball?

Garbage time stats are still fantasy stats, and the Giants will have a lot of them against the good offensive teams.

reminds me of a lot of the posters in here.

 

[netnalp]

CB will be fine. It's sort of like when S. Smith got hurt last year, Nicks and Mannigham were the starters then and were fine. Now and injury to Webster or Ross, then we can panic.

I'm more concerned with Phillips who hasn't been playing up to his potential during the preseason. He hasn't been bad, just not as much of an impact player as he can be. Also will Rolle learn from his mistakes last year? He has had a very good camp, but the secondary seemed confused in a couple of the preseason games.

Losing Goff could be big, Jones had a good camp but I imagine it's hard to take over the MLB spot as a rookie with a short camp. I think the defense can adjust to protect for this though.

 

[qimqam]

I've watched the Giants very closely this year and I have been trying to tell everyone it's not nearly as bad as they are making it sound. The big problem is the media has been a bunch of sheep just following the herd. Local knuckleheads like Francesa and Michael Kay who knows absolutely nothing about football have been blowing it out of proportion in NY.

And you know more about football than them........how? Because you watch the Giants very closely?

And obviously a lot more than you junior. Now go to your room and play with your Mike Francesa doll.

 

[Proximo]

your offense has to be on the field to score points. a bad defense leads to fewer plays for the offense. the "always coming from behind" argument is bunk

Faulty logic.If the defense is bad then the opposing O will score quickly which will put the Giants offense on the field for a longer period of time.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I watched nearly every Giants game last year, and I don't know how they could possibly be any more pass heavy than they were last season, no matter how many injuries their defense sustains.

 

[Tanner9919]

your offense has to be on the field to score points. a bad defense leads to fewer plays for the offense. the "always coming from behind" argument is bunk

Faulty logic.If the defense is bad then the opposing O will score quickly which will put the Giants offense on the field for a longer period of time.

Actually I think you have faulty logic.a bad defense means other teams can and will run the clock down on you, winning the time of possession battle in a big way. If you cant stop a team and the opposing offense is having it's way with your defense, why would that offense ever want to strike quickly?You would want to control the game with your offense and keep the seemingly high powered giants offense on the sidelinesI would expect a decent effort from the giants defense, but I would expect the redskins to pound Hightower at them also testing the giants db's at will. If you have watched the giants in preseason you know their offense hasn't looked crisp at all. Santana moss should excel in this game.

 

[qimqam]

your offense has to be on the field to score points. a bad defense leads to fewer plays for the offense. the "always coming from behind" argument is bunk

Faulty logic.If the defense is bad then the opposing O will score quickly which will put the Giants offense on the field for a longer period of time.

Actually I think you have faulty logic.a bad defense means other teams can and will run the clock down on you, winning the time of possession battle in a big way. If you cant stop a team and the opposing offense is having it's way with your defense, why would that offense ever want to strike quickly?You would want to control the game with your offense and keep the seemingly high powered giants offense on the sidelinesI would expect a decent effort from the giants defense, but I would expect the redskins to pound Hightower at them also testing the giants db's at will. If you have watched the giants in preseason you know their offense hasn't looked crisp at all. Santana moss should excel in this game.

Guess you never heard of a ball control offense ... the Giants controlled the ball for 18:20 vs. 11:40 in the in the first half of their Jets preseason game and 21 minutes to 9 minutes in the 1st half vs. the Patriots

 

[the spanker]

your offense has to be on the field to score points. a bad defense leads to fewer plays for the offense. the "always coming from behind" argument is bunk

Faulty logic.If the defense is bad then the opposing O will score quickly which will put the Giants offense on the field for a longer period of time.

Actually I think you have faulty logic.a bad defense means other teams can and will run the clock down on you, winning the time of possession battle in a big way. If you cant stop a team and the opposing offense is having it's way with your defense, why would that offense ever want to strike quickly?You would want to control the game with your offense and keep the seemingly high powered giants offense on the sidelinesI would expect a decent effort from the giants defense, but I would expect the redskins to pound Hightower at them also testing the giants db's at will. If you have watched the giants in preseason you know their offense hasn't looked crisp at all. Santana moss should excel in this game.

Guess you never heard of a ball control offense ... the Giants controlled the ball for 18:20 vs. 11:40 in the in the first half of their Jets preseason game and 21 minutes to 9 minutes in the 1st half vs. the Patriots

 

[Joe Summer]

I don't think the Giants defense is going to be as bad everyone says. They still have a healthy Tuck

Don't speak so soon...

 

[flooredyas]

Any chance Kiwanuka gets shifted back to DE?

 

[netnalp]

Any chance Kiwanuka gets shifted back to DE?

Kiwi was already going to play DE on 3rd downs. If Tuck can't make it Sunday, I think they will play nickel defense most of the game with Kiwi and JPP at DE.

 

[netnalp]

Tuck is practicing today.

 

[Maven]

The more Eli passes the more int he will throw.

 

[FavreCo]

Is there another team in the NFL that allows the playclock to tick right down to 1 every snap so they can make sure the defense knows exactly when the ball is going to be snapped....game after game, year after year.

 

[netnalp]

Is there another team in the NFL that allows the playclock to tick right down to 1 every snap so they can make sure the defense knows exactly when the ball is going to be snapped....game after game, year after year.

It's been like that for years, drives me nuts.

 

[shadyridr]

I didnt expect their OLine to be so bad. And why did Jacobs get so few carries especially in short distance situations. Jacobs ran hard and generally looked great while Bradshaw failed on nearly every short distance chance he got.

 

[Kree]

Is there another team in the NFL that allows the playclock to tick right down to 1 every snap so they can make sure the defense knows exactly when the ball is going to be snapped....game after game, year after year.

Dallas?

 

[[scooter]]

:X Inept.

 

[FavreCo]

Is there another team in the NFL that allows the playclock to tick right down to 1 every snap so they can make sure the defense knows exactly when the ball is going to be snapped....game after game, year after year.

Dallas?

I noticed that last night. About as dumb as can be.Going over the Giants moves of late.1. Cut two OL men who have been together for years...for pretty much no good reason. They were solid.2. Let Steve Smith and Boss go like they are nobodies.3. Continue to allow the playclock tick to zero before snapping the ball. Forgot this one....delay of game penalty during the hurry up offense. PATHETIC.Results: Jacobs & Bradshaw - combined 1-10 on 3rd downs. Cruz dropping passes on 3rd down. I have to start Gomer this week too.

 

[qimqam]

Is there another team in the NFL that allows the playclock to tick right down to 1 every snap so they can make sure the defense knows exactly when the ball is going to be snapped....game after game, year after year.

Dallas?

I noticed that last night. About as dumb as can be.Going over the Giants moves of late.

1. Cut two OL men who have been together for years...for pretty much no good reason. They were solid.

2. Let Steve Smith and Boss go like they are nobodies.

3. Continue to allow the playclock tick to zero before snapping the ball. Forgot this one....delay of game penalty during the hurry up offense. PATHETIC.

Results: Jacobs & Bradshaw - combined 1-10 on 3rd downs.

Cruz dropping passes on 3rd down.

I have to start Gomer this week too.

1 - Where are these 2 solid lineman right now? (neither would have helped yesterday) 2 - Steve Smith 0 Catches 0 Yards , Boss - Inactive (neither would have helped yesterday)

3 - Your right

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Unfortunately, I think Eli has lost his mojo. He looks scared. He has for much of last year too. He almost reminds me of Jim Everett in a sense that he basically sacks himself in feeling pressure that isn't there. He runs from very little pressure right into multiple guys. He has "happy feet" and his body language speaks volumes.

 

[Mash]

The winning formula for the NYG is when they run just as much, if not more, than they pass. When Eli has to throw 30+ times a game, that's not a good thing. In my opinion, the rushing attack was not featured enough early, and that hurt the passing offense. Once the Skins put points on the board, the offense depended too much on the passing attack.

Jacobs should be getting 10-12 carries a game. Bradshaw should be getting 15-18 carries a game. When these things don't happen, you have performances like yesterday. Whether Gilbride realizes this and adapts remains to be seen.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

A lot of "sky is falling" sentiment around here today. Some people think it's too early to overreact to one loss; others think yesterday was a preview of the rest of the Giants season.

The defense let Rex Grossman throw for 300 yards, 2 TDs and no picks - if you believe that their poor defense will result in better fantasy stats for their offense, then that's a good sign. But on offense they are sorely missing that Steve Smith type WR to convert third downs with regularity. Playcalling is often predictable and/or inexplicable. On 4th and 1 in the second half they hand off to Bradshaw, who gets stuffed. Two series later they face a crucial 3rd and 1 deep inside Redskins territory, and again they hand off to Bradshaw who gets hit for a loss. I don't know why you keep Jacobs on the roster if you're not going to use him in those spots.

This team needs changes, starting at the top. I'm afraid this offense isn't going to be able to maintain extended drives frequently enough. I still think Nicks and Manningham will get theirs in the passing game but there are going to be some serious duds sprinkled throughout the season.

 

[Warpig]

"Upgrade G-Men passing game"

...not as long as they still have Eli at QB.

When he did have all day to throw the ball (there were several times that I saw), he held on to the ball forever and either threw it out of bounds for an intentional grounding call or he took a sack. No excuse for that...especially since he's been in the league for so long.

He is so overrated it's pathetic. If he had a different last name he'd just be another guy. I hope he gives the majority of his paychecks to his brother Peyton.

He and Romo have caused a trend of balding men from pulling their hair out watching the boneheaded decisions/mistakes those two guys make.

 

[qimqam]

The winning formula for the NYG is when they run just as much, if not more, than they pass. When Eli has to throw 30+ times a game, that's not a good thing. In my opinion, the rushing attack was not featured enough early, and that hurt the passing offense. Once the Skins put points on the board, the offense depended too much on the passing attack.Jacobs should be getting 10-12 carries a game. Bradshaw should be getting 15-18 carries a game. When these things don't happen, you have performances like yesterday. Whether Gilbride realizes this and adapts remains to be seen.

Couldn't agree more ... Giants have to pound the ball.

 

[Kree]

A lot of "sky is falling" sentiment around here today. Some people think it's too early to overreact to one loss; others think yesterday was a preview of the rest of the Giants season. The defense let Rex Grossman throw for 300 yards, 2 TDs and no picks - if you believe that their poor defense will result in better fantasy stats for their offense, then that's a good sign. But on offense they are sorely missing that Steve Smith type WR to convert third downs with regularity. Playcalling is often predictable and/or inexplicable. On 4th and 1 in the second half they hand off to Bradshaw, who gets stuffed. Two series later they face a crucial 3rd and 1 deep inside Redskins territory, and again they hand off to Bradshaw who gets hit for a loss. I don't know why you keep Jacobs on the roster if you're not going to use him in those spots.This team needs changes, starting at the top. I'm afraid this offense isn't going to be able to maintain extended drives frequently enough. I still think Nicks and Manningham will get theirs in the passing game but there are going to be some serious duds sprinkled throughout the season.

McBride has always been predictable, even in our stronger years.

 

[FavreCo]

"Upgrade G-Men passing game"

...not as long as they still have Eli at QB.

When he did have all day to throw the ball (there were several times that I saw), he held on to the ball forever and either threw it out of bounds for an intentional grounding call or he took a sack. No excuse for that...especially since he's been in the league for so long.

He is so overrated it's pathetic. If he had a different last name he'd just be another guy. I hope he gives the majority of his paychecks to his brother Peyton.

He and Romo have caused a trend of balding men from pulling their hair out watching the boneheaded decisions/mistakes those two guys make.

No kidding. Gomer is middle of the road but thinks he's top 5. I'm probably starting this turd this week. Hear me Gomer? I'm challenging you, you weak, scared middle of the road ham and egger.

 

[thayman]

"Upgrade G-Men passing game"

...not as long as they still have Eli at QB.

When he did have all day to throw the ball (there were several times that I saw), he held on to the ball forever and either threw it out of bounds for an intentional grounding call or he took a sack. No excuse for that...especially since he's been in the league for so long.

He is so overrated it's pathetic. If he had a different last name he'd just be another guy. I hope he gives the majority of his paychecks to his brother Peyton.

He and Romo have caused a trend of balding men from pulling their hair out watching the boneheaded decisions/mistakes those two guys make.

No kidding. Gomer is middle of the road but thinks he's top 5. I'm probably starting this turd this week. Hear me Gomer? I'm challenging you, you weak, scared middle of the road ham and egger.