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US Launches Full Scale Probe of Whether Virus Was Created in a Lab (1 Viewer)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Up front this feels politically driven but I’ll remain open minded. And an IC report without Grenell’s or other non-professionals’ fingerprints will be needed for this to be viable. A twist is that input from virology experts will be needed as well.
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The Tick
Footballguy
Apr. 19, 2020 - 3:50 - Foreign affairs journalist Gordon Chang joins Jon Scott to discuss the U.S. probe into whether the virus escaped from Wuhan lab.
This is very different from what you post in your topic. This would be like something escaping from the CDC because someone there used bad practices and accidently started spreading something locally. There is a huge difference between something being "lab created" and "escaped from a lab" with all the connotations created implies.
This is very different from what you post in your topic. This would be like something escaping from the CDC because someone there used bad practices and accidently started spreading something locally. There is a huge difference between something being "lab created" and "escaped from a lab" with all the connotations created implies.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
From your link: Apr. 19, 2020 - 3:50 - Foreign affairs journalist Gordon Chang joins Jon Scott to discuss the U.S. probe into whether the virus escaped from Wuhan lab.
Seems different from "created".
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sure...but odd that some that argued so much that Democrats wanting ongoing oversight committees were in a witch hunt...and told that it shouldn't happen while we are still going through this...yet, a full scale investigation is needed now?
I think a real report would be great...this feels more politically motivated to push blame than it is to really find the truth.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Right. This is something that Congress could be provided right now. I'll add that really such a report should already exist. Right now the president has reports and briefings on the derivation of the virus, so let's see it.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
And also the US contributed to this lab and had people working there. I mean the idea that if you want to study viruses arising from certain animals you'd build a lab near where those animals live and interact with humans seems like a really natural idea. Not sure why it's necessary to take the leap past that.
It would also be good if the US just released the two cables that the DOS keeps harping about.
It would also be good if the US just released the two cables that the DOS keeps harping about.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
US explores possibility that coronavirus spread started in Chinese lab, not a market
CNN)US intelligence and national security officials say the United States government is looking into the possibility that the novel coronavirus spread from a Chinese laboratory rather than a market, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter who caution it is premature to draw any conclusions.
The theory is one of multiple being pursued by investigators as they attempt to determine the origin of the coronavirus that has resulted in a pandemic and killed hundreds of thousands. The US does not believe the virus was associated with bioweapons research and the sources indicated there is currently no indication the virus was man-made. Officials noted that the intelligence community is also exploring a range of other theories regarding the origination of the virus, as would typically be the case for high-profile incidents, according to an intelligence source.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Fox link: April 19
CNN link: April 15
LOL
Anyway, this whole story could turn out to be bad news for Trump if true. The Trump administration was warned about this lab 2 years ago. The last thing Trump needs right now is an investigation into whether Trump knew (or should have known) that this lab was being reckless with potential bioweapons.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Everything right now is politically driven. Due dilgence is needed is all areas of this regardless of what side you are on..
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I disagree with you there on the first point, I firmly believe we have professional men and women in our government in a wide variety of fields that work every day for what's best of us, regardless of their political leanings.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Stories like these are exactly why I despise politics as we know them now. I don`t like Trump, I like some of the trade things he has done. If Trump came down
I will agree you are half right on the first point. Being in the auto business my whole life I know and have met so many politicians in Detroit , been part of closed city meetings where people have had a cocktail or three. Life is not what we think it is for people out of control. Mine included.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Oh I have no illusions. I'm from New Orleans my friend, and I've seen some bad things up close. - But I also know good, decent DOJ people have helped clean up those same politicians. There are good guys out there.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I will say that is plausible that the virus was being studied and escaped containment (maybe it mutated and infected a researcher). Biocontainment isn't infallible, just like every other security measure.
However, I'm skeptical that this is just another distraction and misdirection from this country's leadership that has abdicated their responsibilities and duties to serve and protect this country.
This report must present bulletproof evidence if it brings any accusations forward.
However, I'm skeptical that this is just another distraction and misdirection from this country's leadership that has abdicated their responsibilities and duties to serve and protect this country.
This report must present bulletproof evidence if it brings any accusations forward.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I will never forget I was at an after Auto Show party and there were many people drinking and one up and coming prosecutor`s said "It takes a good prosecutor to convict a guilty man, it takes a great one to convict an innocent man" And everyone started laughing. I was appalled..
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Evidence, you say?
I was under the impression that just mere allegations and hearsay was good enough for 100% proof of guilt.
What has changed?
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Please stay on topic. Do you agree with my statement regarding the investigation into the origin of COVID19? Do you have any related thoughts?
maybe broach the subject during lengthy trade negotiations?
maybe bring other nations in to put world pressure on Xi to act?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well if you read the news stories in the OP, Trump’s State Department made recommendations.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I'm sure SiD will respond but what he said is actually in the OP video. From Fox. Save your rollie face.
“CNN Politiics” and “Washington Post?” Sorry, no thanks.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
KD, @0:50 of the Fox report Chang points out we know that in 2018 the State Department had a tour of the Wuhan facility and found protocol violations.
sho nuff
Footballguy
They were linking to the actual White House stuff...and as pointed out Fox was in the OP.
“CNN Politiics” and “Washington Post?” Sorry, no thanks.
But all of those sources are better than Breitbart...which seems to be acceptable for you to post...so why write off those sources without even discussing?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Just as an aside, Chang also makes comments about growing worry in DC about the growing influence of China in Europe and global NGO's like the WHO.
I mean, what do nationalists really expect when the US attacks allies, increases concerns about our reliability and as we pull back support from them? That they will just sit around and not make other arrangements for their own security and prosperity? Rivals will swoop in. This has been incredibly obvious and an operating principle for the USA since the 1940s. Except for one blindingly foolish administration.
I mean, what do nationalists really expect when the US attacks allies, increases concerns about our reliability and as we pull back support from them? That they will just sit around and not make other arrangements for their own security and prosperity? Rivals will swoop in. This has been incredibly obvious and an operating principle for the USA since the 1940s. Except for one blindingly foolish administration.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I watched the video. What were the recommendations to China? What could we have done?
Trump did come down on China about unfair trade practices. Could we have trusted a China to fix the issues in Wuhan? They have apparently lied to everyone all along.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
To the White House, recommendations from State to the administration. 100% that mission returned and provided a report to State. So let's see it.
I don't know, it's possible. But step 1 would be seeing the cables (Fox, along with others because State has leaked it everywhere, has reported there were two DOS cables) and then any report with recommendations that came from the visit. - And yes it's possible that the US made requests or demands on China. So let's see all that. All we're getting right now is the pig in the poke.
And btw all this could come out in an IC report, I'd agree.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
We could have had a leader the Chinese didn't clown out. That would have been a start. It's not like the Chinese sweat Trump very much.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
True. They already had our country outsourced to China during the previous administration. Not a lot of leverage left for Trump to use.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Except the previous administration put pressure on China by entering the TPP...thus attempting to make China more isolated and create leverage against them with trade through other countries. That was ripped up....a trade war started...where the US lost millions (very low end saying that) in trade to the point US business needed to be bailed out. The "phase 1" agreement put us back at square 1 (at best) and after this, do you think phase 2 will really happen and be an improvement? There was plenty of leverage...Trump chose a trade war and chose poorly and it cost the United States thus far.
Skoo
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
We don't know because the Trump administration has not released all of the memos. Are they hiding something? We don't know at this point. But maybe the probe will provide some clarity. If not, then perhaps a series of ~10 Congressional investigations and dozens of hearings, coordinated with relentless media coverage, could shed some light on the matter.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Do you have a link from a reputable source to support your claims?
Also, any trade war is focused on the long haul and not instant gratification stats. Do you have any of that information?
I think less dependence on a country with deplorable human rights records, exploitation of cheap labor, and that has repeatedly stolen our intellectual properties is a good idea. You?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Which claims would you like sourcing for? Also, before I take my time...what is reputable to you? You seem to refuse to believe NYT or Washington Post are reputable (despite links otherwise) and post Breitbart links as if they are reputable. Not interested in a back and forth if you can't even admit which soruces are reputable.
What is the long haul? Thus far we are not even really back to square one with no end in sight?
TPP was focused on less dependence on China. Trump pulled us out of that deal.
Here is a good article detailing what it meant for china including the US taking on more leadership worldwide in trade vs China's influence.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/07/china-tpp-trans-pacific-partnership-obama-us-trade-xi/
Hopefully that source meets your standards.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/foreign-policy/
lakerstan
Footballguy
It’s already been proven it wasn’t made in a lab. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm
Evidence for natural evolution
The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was so effective at binding the human cells, in fact, that the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not the product of genetic engineering.
This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2's backbone -- its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.
"These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2" said Andersen.
Josie Golding, PhD, epidemics lead at UK-based Wellcome Trust, said the findings by Andersen and his colleagues are "crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19."
"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution," Goulding adds, "ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering."
Evidence for natural evolution
The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was so effective at binding the human cells, in fact, that the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not the product of genetic engineering.
This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2's backbone -- its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.
"These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2" said Andersen.
Josie Golding, PhD, epidemics lead at UK-based Wellcome Trust, said the findings by Andersen and his colleagues are "crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19."
"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution," Goulding adds, "ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering."
GoBirds
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
Wuhan, lab facilities, China ........... all the ingredients are perfect for them to have created it yes. We'll never know for sure though, but it does make sense
timschochet
Footballguy
Just like Trump’s meaningless immigration announcement, this is a distraction designed to cause us to “look over there.”
SaintsInDome2006
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