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Utah woman could be forced to register as sex offender after kids see her topless at home (1 Viewer)

Buchanan said she and her husband had taken off their shirts to keep their clothes from getting dusty while they worked in their garage in late 2017 or early 2018.
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The children’s mother, who was not present during the incident, reported it to authorities after the Division of Child and Family Services began an investigation about the children that was unrelated to Buchanan
Im guessing there is more to this story.

 
From another article
 

West Valley City Deputy Attorney Corey Sherwin offers a different account in court papers: He alleges that Buchanan stripped down in front of her stepchildren after making a statement about how if her husband could take off his shirt, then a woman should be able to as well.

He further alleges that Buchanan, while “under the influence of alcohol,” had told her husband that she would only put her shirt back on if he showed her his penis.

 
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West Valley City Deputy Attorney Corey Sherwin offers a different account in court papers: He alleges that Buchanan stripped down in front of her stepchildren after making a statement about how if her husband could take off his shirt, then a woman should be able to as well.

He further alleges that Buchanan, while “under the influence of alcohol,” had told her husband that she would only put her shirt back on if he showed her his penis.
Reminds me of an incident growing up.  Me and my brothers were early teens.  There was some dance show on and my stepmom was one of those NRA ladies..fought hard for it.  Anyway, she was pissed that the lady dancers showed so much skin while the men were dressed.

She then made a comment about how they should show a man naked, then she blurted out "better yet,with an erection!"

My dad -screams out  "EILEEN!!!!!!"  It was so darn funny...

 
"Stepkids" is different than "kids".

But iirc, the prevailing attitude in here is that it's bad to be naked in front of your kids, so I assume most will be against it.

I don't feel that way, but this lady sounds like a mess based on the clips posted- mixing drunkenness and this kind of behavior in front of step kids... So I'll lean toward putting her head on a moralistic pike.

 
I don't know how the US got so prudish, but it's dumb. She should be allowed to be topless wherever men are allowed to be topless. 100% agree. I would not support anything that prevents states or municipalities from defining whether people can or can't be topless. I'm just saying its wrong if the rules are different for men than women. At home cleaning your garage, no shirt is fine.

So, biological mom, if it's just the breasts that you're worried about...get over it. But that might not be the only issue. Shadyridr posted this from another article:

He further alleges that Buchanan, while “under the influence of alcohol,” had told her husband that she would only put her shirt back on if he showed her his penis.
That seems inappropriate, sure, but still doesn't strike me as "sex offender" behavior.

 
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I don't know how the US got so prudish, but it's dumb. She should be allowed to be topless wherever men are allowed to be topless. 100% agree. I would not support anything that prevents states or municipalities from defining whether people can or can't be topless. I'm just saying its wrong if the rules are different for men than women. At home cleaning your garage, no shirt is fine.

So, biological mom, if it's just the breasts that you're worried about...get over it. But that might not be the only issue. Shadyridr posted this from another article:

That seems inappropriate, sure, but still doesn't strike me as "sex offender" behavior.
I think I'd be most worried about the fact that they were there to investigate a completely different issue. 

 
"Stepkids" is different than "kids".

But iirc, the prevailing attitude in here is that it's bad to be naked in front of your kids, so I assume most will be against it.

I don't feel that way, but this lady sounds like a mess based on the clips posted- mixing drunkenness and this kind of behavior in front of step kids... So I'll lean toward putting her head on a moralistic pike.
Great name to be posting in this thread.

Our society:

9 and 13 year old allowed to watch horror movies that feature rape, torture, and maiming:  Totally up to the parents.

9 and 13 year old see Mom's boobies because she feels it's no different than a man's chest:  She's a sex offender. 
Bolded the key (to me).  Your own kids is one thing.  However, having a step daughter, I feel like if I was do so the equivalent with her (exposing my self) it would indeed tread the line of being a sex offender.

JMO and I certainly respect others that see it differently.

 
Our society:

9 and 13 year old allowed to watch horror movies that feature rape, torture, and maiming:  Totally up to the parents.

9 and 13 year old see Mom's boobies because she feels it's no different than a man's chest:  She's a sex offender. 
Not too far off with this.   I always baffles me the extent that parents will go to make sure their kids don't see something we all have and is natural vs. the crap that they let them watch in movies or in video game.s  

 
Great name to be posting in this thread.

Bolded the key (to me).  Your own kids is one thing.  However, having a step daughter, I feel like if I was do so the equivalent with her (exposing my self) it would indeed tread the line of being a sex offender.

JMO and I certainly respect others that see it differently.
What if you adopt them?

 
Not too far off with this.   I always baffles me the extent that parents will go to make sure their kids don't see something we all have and is natural vs. the crap that they let them watch in movies or in video game.s  
Our Protestant ancestors have adequately trained us to feel that sexuality is shameful.  Violence?  Totally entertaining!

 
Great name to be posting in this thread.

Bolded the key (to me).  Your own kids is one thing.  However, having a step daughter, I feel like if I was do so the equivalent with her (exposing my self) it would indeed tread the line of being a sex offender.

JMO and I certainly respect others that see it differently.
When you say "equivalent" you mean going shirtless in front of your stepdaughter, right? I don't think that treads the line of being a sex offender, but we can agree to disagree.

 
Reminds me of an incident growing up.  Me and my brothers were early teens.  There was some dance show on and my stepmom was one of those NRA ladies..fought hard for it.  Anyway, she was pissed that the lady dancers showed so much skin while the men were dressed.

She then made a comment about how they should show a man naked, then she blurted out "better yet,with an erection!"

My dad -screams out  "EILEEN!!!!!!"  It was so darn funny...
Come on Eileen?

 
When you say "equivalent" you mean going shirtless in front of your stepdaughter, right? I don't think that treads the line of being a sex offender, but we can agree to disagree.
No, I don't mean taking my shirt off.  I get that there is a movement to make those two things equal, but they aren't to me.

What if you adopt them?
Legally your kids then.  Step kids aren't legally your kids if they aren't adopted, and there appears to be a legal birth mother with concerns here.

 
Legally your kids then.  Step kids aren't legally your kids if they aren't adopted, and there appears to be a legal birth mother with concerns here.
This does make a difference in terms of whether or not it's appropriate for this family.  If the birth mother has a problem with it then I would agree that the courts should step in to prevent it in the future.  However, I don't agree that it's a criminal act on the surface.  

 
Government should stay out of people’s homes and private lives. If the biological mom has a problem with it take it up with dad. No crime was committed in my eyes. 

 
Sex offender is a very broadly defined term in our legal system.  It needs to be cleaned up.

- 18 year old girl has sex with 16 year old boy - she is not one

- 18 year old boy has sex with 16 year old girl - he's a registered 'sex offender' for life

- which is the same 'sex offender' label some sicko would get for doing something involving a 5 year old

- which is the same label they are trying to place on some women for showing milk jugs

I get that if I was a prude I might not want my early teens kids at a house where a woman is walking around topless, even if she was doing it to make some stupid point.  But it's hardly a sexual offense.  We actually spend money prosecuting this crap?   Give her a citation and move on.  5 minutes.  Done.  My guess is in Utah they are more worried about her drinking anyway.

 
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