Value of QB's in 4pt passing TD leagues (1 Viewer)

[ppierce]

Does the value of the qb change in leagues were passing TD's are only worth 4 pts? On the surface you'd think qb's value would be diminished. However, since every team has to start a qb anyway, isn't all just relative?

 

[LawFitz]

Does the value of the qb change in leagues were passing TD's are only worth 4 pts? On the surface you'd think qb's value would be diminished. However, since every team has to start a qb anyway, isn't all just relative?

This has been debated many times around here and while some disagree, my opinion is thata. QBs in general take a hit relative to other positions, andb. Elite QBs take a hit relative to 2nd and 3rd tier QBs.I wouldn't say a major hit, but a hit nonetheless.

 

[Instinctive]

This is from another thread:

I play mostly 6pt all TD leagues and this is a prime QB spot. I don't like this spot nearly as much in 4pt passing TD leagues. I guess I'd probably go QB or TE. I just don't like the RB options here enough to pass on the huge advantage at those positions.

If we did 6 pts passing td's I would also consider a QB here, but with only 4 pts, I think the only viable option (assuming Mega and Rodgers are gone) is taking Mathews, Forte or CJ here. I think this is going to be the first year I go RB / RB ever. Too much value at WR in mid rounds this year imo. Hell, you can VJax in rd 5 or 6. That's crazy.

The bolded mean NOTHING. Here's an analysis I did prior to the 2010 season - that stats are different if you redo it now, but the principle is the same. The difference in going from 4 to 6 pts per TD pass is practically negligible.

Brees 34 TD = 136 points

Ryan 22 TD = 88 points

That's a difference of 48 points

If passing TD's are worth 6 points a piece it changes to:

Brees 34 TD = 204 points

Ryan 22 TD = 132 points

It adds practically no value. Look at the example: 48 vs 72 points on the season. So, 24 points over 16 weeks is the added difference if you go from 4 to 6. That's a point and a half per week. If you'd like to check with a calculator, I wouldn't object.

Do you really think that 1.5 points per week is what makes top QBs more valuable than getting the worst starter in your league? Or is it the extra 600 yards or so on top of the actual 48 or 72 points you're getting out of simply having more TDs to begin with?

Increasing the value of a TD itself has practically no difference until you at least begin to double it (i.e. 4 to 8). On the season, game to game, the difference of everyone getting 4 or 6 for passing TDs is, for all intents and purposes, negligible.

The top Qbs are the top QBs because they throw more TDs to begin with, and more yards. Adding a small amount to that gap by making TDs worth more shouldn't change your draft strategy at all.

The reverse is true as well - the difference is practically negligible, and shouldn't really affect your drafting strategy. However, it does make rushing QBs more valuable in those rush TD years (which you can't really predict...but you know Vick's more likely to rush for TDs than Matt Ryan is)

 

[Sweet Love]

This is from another thread:

I play mostly 6pt all TD leagues and this is a prime QB spot. I don't like this spot nearly as much in 4pt passing TD leagues. I guess I'd probably go QB or TE. I just don't like the RB options here enough to pass on the huge advantage at those positions.

If we did 6 pts passing td's I would also consider a QB here, but with only 4 pts, I think the only viable option (assuming Mega and Rodgers are gone) is taking Mathews, Forte or CJ here. I think this is going to be the first year I go RB / RB ever. Too much value at WR in mid rounds this year imo. Hell, you can VJax in rd 5 or 6. That's crazy.

The bolded mean NOTHING. Here's an analysis I did prior to the 2010 season - that stats are different if you redo it now, but the principle is the same. The difference in going from 4 to 6 pts per TD pass is practically negligible.

Brees 34 TD = 136 points

Ryan 22 TD = 88 points

That's a difference of 48 points

If passing TD's are worth 6 points a piece it changes to:

Brees 34 TD = 204 points

Ryan 22 TD = 132 points

It adds practically no value. Look at the example: 48 vs 72 points on the season. So, 24 points over 16 weeks is the added difference if you go from 4 to 6. That's a point and a half per week. If you'd like to check with a calculator, I wouldn't object.

Do you really think that 1.5 points per week is what makes top QBs more valuable than getting the worst starter in your league? Or is it the extra 600 yards or so on top of the actual 48 or 72 points you're getting out of simply having more TDs to begin with?

Increasing the value of a TD itself has practically no difference until you at least begin to double it (i.e. 4 to 8). On the season, game to game, the difference of everyone getting 4 or 6 for passing TDs is, for all intents and purposes, negligible.

The top Qbs are the top QBs because they throw more TDs to begin with, and more yards. Adding a small amount to that gap by making TDs worth more shouldn't change your draft strategy at all.

The reverse is true as well - the difference is practically negligible, and shouldn't really affect your drafting strategy. However, it does make rushing QBs more valuable in those rush TD years (which you can't really predict...but you know Vick's more likely to rush for TDs than Matt Ryan is)

I believe the analysis is dead on when you consider comparing QBs (a "like" position), but when you draft with other positions that have not been altered (and hey, you always do), you now have an increase in their value. So while I see why Rodgers may not lose ground to an Eli when going from 6 to 4, he does lose some ground to the WRs, RBs, and TEs. Maybe it is just 24 points (as the example shows0, but those 24 points may be enough to slip a RB or two ahead of where Rodgers would go in a 6 point passing TD draft.

 

[Short Corner]

This is from another thread:

I play mostly 6pt all TD leagues and this is a prime QB spot. I don't like this spot nearly as much in 4pt passing TD leagues. I guess I'd probably go QB or TE. I just don't like the RB options here enough to pass on the huge advantage at those positions.

If we did 6 pts passing td's I would also consider a QB here, but with only 4 pts, I think the only viable option (assuming Mega and Rodgers are gone) is taking Mathews, Forte or CJ here. I think this is going to be the first year I go RB / RB ever. Too much value at WR in mid rounds this year imo. Hell, you can VJax in rd 5 or 6. That's crazy.

The bolded mean NOTHING. Here's an analysis I did prior to the 2010 season - that stats are different if you redo it now, but the principle is the same. The difference in going from 4 to 6 pts per TD pass is practically negligible.

Brees 34 TD = 136 points

Ryan 22 TD = 88 points

That's a difference of 48 points

If passing TD's are worth 6 points a piece it changes to:

Brees 34 TD = 204 points

Ryan 22 TD = 132 points

It adds practically no value. Look at the example: 48 vs 72 points on the season. So, 24 points over 16 weeks is the added difference if you go from 4 to 6. That's a point and a half per week. If you'd like to check with a calculator, I wouldn't object.

Do you really think that 1.5 points per week is what makes top QBs more valuable than getting the worst starter in your league? Or is it the extra 600 yards or so on top of the actual 48 or 72 points you're getting out of simply having more TDs to begin with?

Increasing the value of a TD itself has practically no difference until you at least begin to double it (i.e. 4 to 8). On the season, game to game, the difference of everyone getting 4 or 6 for passing TDs is, for all intents and purposes, negligible.

The top Qbs are the top QBs because they throw more TDs to begin with, and more yards. Adding a small amount to that gap by making TDs worth more shouldn't change your draft strategy at all.

The reverse is true as well - the difference is practically negligible, and shouldn't really affect your drafting strategy. However, it does make rushing QBs more valuable in those rush TD years (which you can't really predict...but you know Vick's more likely to rush for TDs than Matt Ryan is)

pretty sure you have no clue what that word means. Go ahead and look it up when you have a chance.

 

[Warrior]

Does the value of the qb change in leagues were passing TD's are only worth 4 pts? On the surface you'd think qb's value would be diminished. However, since every team has to start a qb anyway, isn't all just relative?

This has been debated many times around here and while some disagree, my opinion is thata. QBs in general take a hit relative to other positions, andb. Elite QBs take a hit relative to 2nd and 3rd tier QBs.I wouldn't say a major hit, but a hit nonetheless.

Agreed. It should change your rankings very slightly, but probably not enough to change any of the decisions you make, unless it's neck and neck./thread

 

[Instinctive]

long post with lots of words

pretty sure you have no clue what that word means. Go ahead and look it up when you have a chance.

you lost. move on.

 

[Instinctive]

Does the value of the qb change in leagues were passing TD's are only worth 4 pts? On the surface you'd think qb's value would be diminished. However, since every team has to start a qb anyway, isn't all just relative?

This has been debated many times around here and while some disagree, my opinion is thata. QBs in general take a hit relative to other positions, and

b. Elite QBs take a hit relative to 2nd and 3rd tier QBs.

I wouldn't say a major hit, but a hit nonetheless.

Agreed. It should change your rankings very slightly, but probably not enough to change any of the decisions you make, unless it's neck and neck./thread

Great way to put it. One could call the difference practically negligible.

 

[Dragon1952]

Does the value of the qb change in leagues were passing TD's are only worth 4 pts? On the surface you'd think qb's value would be diminished. However, since every team has to start a qb anyway, isn't all just relative?

This has been debated many times around here and while some disagree, my opinion is thata. QBs in general take a hit relative to other positions, andb. Elite QBs take a hit relative to 2nd and 3rd tier QBs.I wouldn't say a major hit, but a hit nonetheless.

Not sure how QB's would take a hit in relation to other QB's but maybe I'm missing something. edit: I guess rushing QB's like Newton might have a slight uptick in relation to other QB's.

 

[LawFitz]

Does the value of the qb change in leagues were passing TD's are only worth 4 pts? On the surface you'd think qb's value would be diminished. However, since every team has to start a qb anyway, isn't all just relative?

This has been debated many times around here and while some disagree, my opinion is thata. QBs in general take a hit relative to other positions, andb. Elite QBs take a hit relative to 2nd and 3rd tier QBs.I wouldn't say a major hit, but a hit nonetheless.

Not sure how QB's would take a hit in relation to other QB's but maybe I'm missing something. edit: I guess rushing QB's like Newton might have a slight uptick in relation to other QB's.

E.g. if Brady throws 50 TDs and Eli throws for 30 TDs, the point spread between the two in terms of TD point production is cut by 33% when you go from 6 to 4 pt TDs. So guys like Brady, Rodgers, etc lose a little bit of their luster compared to the field.I.e. the 20 TD difference between elite and good is only worth 80 extra points, rather than 120.