Value of Wali Lundy (1 Viewer)

[wannabee]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

 

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He's on the wire in our 16 team league and we're having our first FAAB meeting tonight where guys will be bidding cash on him.

I can't wait to see which idiot drops $30-40 on this guy.... he will be heckled all year long no doubt. Another owner and I have discussed getting a Cowboys jersey-tee with lundy's name and number on the back if the bidding goes too far overboard and require the guy wear it to every FAAB meeting for the rest of the year.

 

[mojorizin]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I would say if you draft him early, and he shines, you got damn lucky as the odds are against it. Its that simple. Understanding that taking a totally unproven player before you have solid starters is just common sense. "Sharks" and experienced players make completely wrong calls on guys every year. Doesnt matter if its Mike Anderson or not. How many guys werent high on Curtis Martin and Tiki Barber 3 years ago because they couldnt find the endzone or a 100 yard game with a GPS and were looking at retirement around the corner? How many made sure CuMar was on their roster last year? What would YOU do with Wali Lundy? Probably the same thing me and 80% of this board would do, I imagine.

 

[PACKER 7]

How people think Lundy has no value is beyond me.

If he flops or he is ROY right now it doesn't matter. The fact is he is, as of this very moment, the starter in Houston.

I don't know how many carries he'll get per game if he'll last past one game or the whole season. To me it doesn't matter right now.

If you play in leagues with 12 teams or larger Wali Lundy is valuable. Especially if you can start 3 RBs.

That is his value to me. A starting RB in the NFL. So he could be No. 1 or No. 32.

Grab him and trade him. Grab him and keep him. Doesn't make you a "Shark" or a "Guppy" either way if he is Barry Sanders or Eric Bienemy(sp?).

How much value will be determined at a later date.

We'll have to wait and see, but to not pick him up at all, if you have space, is IMO a little short-sided.

 

[wannabee]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I would say if you draft him early, and he shines, you got damn lucky as the odds are against it. Its that simple. Understanding that taking a totally unproven player before you have solid starters is just common sense. "Sharks" and experienced players make completely wrong calls on guys every year. Doesnt matter if its Mike Anderson or not. How many guys werent high on Curtis Martin and Tiki Barber 3 years ago because they couldnt find the endzone or a 100 yard game with a GPS and were looking at retirement around the corner? How many made sure CuMar was on their roster last year? What would YOU do with Wali Lundy? Probably the same thing me and 80% of this board would do, I imagine.

I draft Lundy (and Morency if I can) late. If not, assuming someone takes Lundy early, I take Morency much later. I think this situation is far from settled. In addition, the value of the Texan RBs is having both, even if have to overspend. With the way that Lundy, in college, and Morency lately, have been nicked up, drafting both is a great plan if it works out. If not, I plan on taking whichever one is left a few rounds after the first one is drafted.

 

[mojorizin]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I would say if you draft him early, and he shines, you got damn lucky as the odds are against it. Its that simple. Understanding that taking a totally unproven player before you have solid starters is just common sense. "Sharks" and experienced players make completely wrong calls on guys every year. Doesnt matter if its Mike Anderson or not. How many guys werent high on Curtis Martin and Tiki Barber 3 years ago because they couldnt find the endzone or a 100 yard game with a GPS and were looking at retirement around the corner? How many made sure CuMar was on their roster last year? What would YOU do with Wali Lundy? Probably the same thing me and 80% of this board would do, I imagine.

I draft Lundy (and Morency if I can) late. If not, Iassuming someone takes Lundy early, I take Morency much later. I think this situation is far from settled. In addition, the value of the Texan RBs is having both, even if have to overspend. With the way that Lundy in college and Morency lately, have been nicked up, having both is a great plan if it works out. If not, I plan on taking whichever one is left a few rounds after the first one is drafted.

Agreed. You take much less chance drafting both late, or grabbing the second one. The guy that gets only one is on shaky ground. I'm not much for thinking anyone you plug into that offense is going to perform, but in a 12 team league a little potential and a starter one way or the other is valuable in and of itself.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

HOUSTON — As of this writing, the rumor mill was churning out the surprising theory that Domanick Davis could be cut, leaving rookie Wali Lundy and second-year man Vernand Morency to handle the RB duties for the Texans. Davis has been slow to recover from a knee injury, and the Texans are losing patience. Even if Davis survives the final cuts, it’s not safe to assume that Davis will walk — or, perhaps more accurately, limp — back into the starter’s role. Lundy and Morency have impressed the Texans, but can either be effective once the curtain goes up on the regular season? The answer is a big “maybe.” Lundy seems to have the inside track on the starter’s job, but Morency may be a slightly better bet because of his raw speed and pass-catching skills. Both are interesting speculative picks, but it’s far from a certainty that either will pan out. Approach both with caution. And as for Davis, it’s probably best to avoid him altogether. There’s bound to be a sucker in your league willing to make an inappropriately large investment on Davis based on his past success.

 

[The Ref]

Ref - When will you release details on the argument? I am guessing you were putting him top 20 and they were saying around 50 and the truth is soewhere in the middle. I'm just curious....

It's a league wide argument as to if it's even worth arguing as much as we are over a contested pick up of Wali Lundy. Some people don't think he belongs on a roster and don't see what the big deal is. Some see him as a potential every week starter and a big deal as to who ends up with him. I think he is ~RB30 with potential to be the man there and it's worth the fight for the person who thinks he should be on his team.Just curious what others current expectations are, obviously subject to change.

 

[ydub]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I agree. This approach consists of slogging through actual preseason games, evaluating talent with one's own eyes, and making an informed projection/drafting decision based on an informed analysis. This is much more effective than relying on a FF website's canned opinion. This the move that separates the men from the boys (or the sharks from the guppies).

 

[mojorizin]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I agree. This approach consists of slogging through actual preseason games, evaluating talent with one's own eyes, and making an informed projection/drafting decision based on an informed analysis. This is much more effective than relying on a FF website's canned opinion. This the move that separates the men from the boys (or the sharks from the guppies).

Uh-huh.And you saw what exactly from Wali Lundy in 15 minutes of preseason action involving a handful of starters, also-rans, retreads and former cheerleaders that has caused you to form this learned analysis?Guess what? You will draft him right about where everybody else does. Just like the guy that printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago.

 

[ydub]

Ref - When will you release details on the argument? I am guessing you were putting him top 20 and they were saying around 50 and the truth is soewhere in the middle. I'm just curious....

It's a league wide argument as to if it's even worth arguing as much as we are over a contested pick up of Wali Lundy. Some people don't think he belongs on a roster and don't see what the big deal is. Some see him as a potential every week starter and a big deal as to who ends up with him. I think he is ~RB30 with potential to be the man there and it's worth the fight for the person who thinks he should be on his team.Just curious what others current expectations are, obviously subject to change.

As someone who's vaguely familiar with Lundy's college career and has viewed each one of the HOU preseaon games in it's entirety (including one of the games in person), I'll go out on the limb... If DD is placed on IR... If Lundy stays healthy... If Lundy can hold on to the RB1 spot in Houston... His floor is RB15 - RB20.

 

[The Redbeard]

Was able to select Lundy in the 12th round of a 12 man league. Took him just after Duckett, Barlow, Betts and Barber III went off the board in a bit of a run.

So, as much as I would love to berate the original poster like so many others, I thought that I would go ahead and answer his question:

Lundy's value falls somewhere in the realm of the last starter/best of the RBBC and backups. As he could take the rock and run with it all year - he may very well be worth the risk. I have my money league drafting next Tuesday and it will be interesting to see if his stock continues to rise. Won't reach for him, but as a RB #5 in the 12thish round. . .

 

[ydub]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I agree. This approach consists of slogging through actual preseason games, evaluating talent with one's own eyes, and making an informed projection/drafting decision based on an informed analysis. This is much more effective than relying on a FF website's canned opinion. This the move that separates the men from the boys (or the sharks from the guppies).

Uh-huh.And you saw what exactly from Wali Lundy in 15 minutes of preseason action involving a handful of starters, also-rans, retreads and former cheerleaders that has caused you to form this learned analysis?Guess what? You will draft him right about where everybody else does. Just like the guy that printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago.

There's really no reason to be such a condescending smart aleck. You look a bit silly challenging me/everyone else on an issue where you are clearly the one who is uninformed. First of all, the "guy who printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago" doesn't know which team Lundy/Morency plays for. And I want you to tell me how many "also-rans, retreads, and former cheerleaders" have actually tackled this guy. You obviously aren't willing to put in the time so don't bother looking it up, so I've done the work for you:3-7-KC41 (5:33) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 16 for 25 yards (S.Knight, G.Wesley). 2-1-KC7 (4:15) W.Lundy right guard to KC 3 for 4 yards (K.Bell). 1-3-KC3 (3:36) W.Lundy up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 2-10-HOU27 (11:07) W.Lundy right guard to HST 31 for 4 yards (K.Fox). 2-1-HOU45 (5:40) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 49 for 4 yards (B.Grigsby, B.Pollard). 2-6-KC47 (3:51) S.Rosenfels pass short middle to W.Lundy to KC 38 for 9 yards (R.Scanlon). 1-7-KC7 (2:26) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 5 for 2 yards (J.Page; K.Fox). 1-10-HOU45 (14:46) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 46 for 1 yard (J.Kennedy). 3-23-HOU32 (13:48) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 45 for 13 yards (W.Witherspoon). 1-10-HOU29 (10:22) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 34 for 5 yards (A.Hargrove, J.Kennedy). 1-10-HOU25 (6:44) D.Carr pass short middle to W.Lundy to HST 38 for 13 yards (P.Tinoisamoa). 1-10-HOU38 (6:13) W.Lundy up the middle to HST 41 for 3 yards (J.Kennedy). 1-10-STL39 (4:48) W.Lundy left tackle to SL 18 for 21 yards (W.Witherspoon). 2-10-HOU39 (14:31) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 42 for 3 yards (J.Fisk). 1-10-STL16 (14:47) W.Lundy right tackle to SL 9 for 7 yards (J.Brooks). 1-10-HOU31 (9:02) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 40 for 9 yards (I.Gold). 2-1-HOU40 (8:33) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 44 for 4 yards (E.Ekuban). 1-10-HOU44 (7:56) W.Lundy left end to HST 48 for 4 yards (Da.Williams). 2-6-HOU48 (7:18) W.Lundy right tackle to 50 for 2 yards (M.Myers). 2-10-HOU42 (3:58) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 48 for 6 yards (D.Foxworth). 1-10-HOU14 (14:45) D.Carr pass right to W.Lundy to HST 26 for 12 yards (A.Wilson). 1-17-HOU7 (14:19) W.Lundy left end to HST 5 for -2 yards (E.Ekuban). 2-19-HOU5 (13:35) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 6 for 1 yard (M.Myers). 3-18-HOU6 (12:50) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 11 for 5 yards (I.Gold). 1-10-HOU20 (4:18) D.Carr pass short right to W.Lundy to HST 24 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 2-6-HOU24 (3:47) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 28 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 1-10-DEN30 53) W.Lundy left tackle to DEN 24 for 6 yards (Da.Williams). 2-4-DEN24 35) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 16 for 8 yards (DJ.Williams) 2-15-DEN21 21) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 11 for 10 yards (DJ.Williams). 90%+ of those guys are first team defenders (a few pro bowlers in there as well). Forget about "eyes on" evaluation for a moment and two things jump out immediately.1. Lundy's carries produce more yards as the game progresses. This the mark of a legitimate feature back and a solid indication that he's a guy who can wear down defenses. 2. He has one negative carry in the preseason. One. And it was a situation where Houston was backed up on their 5 yard line and everyone in the house knew what was coming. Kubiak simply needed him to protect the football and create some more room for the punter and he provided that on his next two carries by moving the team out to the 11 yard line on two more carries. He's a smooth ballcarrier who doesn't waste any motion (unlike Morency). This approach falls in line with Kubiaks "one cut and go" philosophy and allows him to conserve his stamina. I can keep going... Oh, and....***Vernand Morency still hasn't seen a 1st team snap***

 

[mightyeskimo]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I agree. This approach consists of slogging through actual preseason games, evaluating talent with one's own eyes, and making an informed projection/drafting decision based on an informed analysis. This is much more effective than relying on a FF website's canned opinion. This the move that separates the men from the boys (or the sharks from the guppies).

Uh-huh.And you saw what exactly from Wali Lundy in 15 minutes of preseason action involving a handful of starters, also-rans, retreads and former cheerleaders that has caused you to form this learned analysis?Guess what? You will draft him right about where everybody else does. Just like the guy that printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago.

There's really no reason to be such a condescending smart aleck. You look a bit silly challenging me/everyone else on an issue where you are clearly the one who is uninformed. First of all, the "guy who printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago" doesn't know which team Lundy/Morency plays for. And I want you to tell me how many "also-rans, retreads, and former cheerleaders" have actually tackled this guy. You obviously aren't willing to put in the time so don't bother looking it up, so I've done the work for you:3-7-KC41 (5:33) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 16 for 25 yards (S.Knight, G.Wesley). 2-1-KC7 (4:15) W.Lundy right guard to KC 3 for 4 yards (K.Bell). 1-3-KC3 (3:36) W.Lundy up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 2-10-HOU27 (11:07) W.Lundy right guard to HST 31 for 4 yards (K.Fox). 2-1-HOU45 (5:40) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 49 for 4 yards (B.Grigsby, B.Pollard). 2-6-KC47 (3:51) S.Rosenfels pass short middle to W.Lundy to KC 38 for 9 yards (R.Scanlon). 1-7-KC7 (2:26) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 5 for 2 yards (J.Page; K.Fox). 1-10-HOU45 (14:46) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 46 for 1 yard (J.Kennedy). 3-23-HOU32 (13:48) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 45 for 13 yards (W.Witherspoon). 1-10-HOU29 (10:22) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 34 for 5 yards (A.Hargrove, J.Kennedy). 1-10-HOU25 (6:44) D.Carr pass short middle to W.Lundy to HST 38 for 13 yards (P.Tinoisamoa). 1-10-HOU38 (6:13) W.Lundy up the middle to HST 41 for 3 yards (J.Kennedy). 1-10-STL39 (4:48) W.Lundy left tackle to SL 18 for 21 yards (W.Witherspoon). 2-10-HOU39 (14:31) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 42 for 3 yards (J.Fisk). 1-10-STL16 (14:47) W.Lundy right tackle to SL 9 for 7 yards (J.Brooks). 1-10-HOU31 (9:02) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 40 for 9 yards (I.Gold). 2-1-HOU40 (8:33) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 44 for 4 yards (E.Ekuban). 1-10-HOU44 (7:56) W.Lundy left end to HST 48 for 4 yards (Da.Williams). 2-6-HOU48 (7:18) W.Lundy right tackle to 50 for 2 yards (M.Myers). 2-10-HOU42 (3:58) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 48 for 6 yards (D.Foxworth). 1-10-HOU14 (14:45) D.Carr pass right to W.Lundy to HST 26 for 12 yards (A.Wilson). 1-17-HOU7 (14:19) W.Lundy left end to HST 5 for -2 yards (E.Ekuban). 2-19-HOU5 (13:35) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 6 for 1 yard (M.Myers). 3-18-HOU6 (12:50) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 11 for 5 yards (I.Gold). 1-10-HOU20 (4:18) D.Carr pass short right to W.Lundy to HST 24 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 2-6-HOU24 (3:47) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 28 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 1-10-DEN30 53) W.Lundy left tackle to DEN 24 for 6 yards (Da.Williams). 2-4-DEN24 35) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 16 for 8 yards (DJ.Williams) 2-15-DEN21 21) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 11 for 10 yards (DJ.Williams). 90%+ of those guys are first team defenders (a few pro bowlers in there as well). Forget about "eyes on" evaluation for a moment and two things jump out immediately.1. Lundy's carries produce more yards as the game progresses. This the mark of a legitimate feature back and a solid indication that he's a guy who can wear down defenses. 2. He has one negative carry in the preseason. One. And it was a situation where Houston was backed up on their 5 yard line and everyone in the house knew what was coming. Kubiak simply needed him to protect the football and create some more room for the punter and he provided that on his next two carries by moving the team out to the 11 yard line on two more carries. He's a smooth ballcarrier who doesn't waste any motion (unlike Morency). This approach falls in line with Kubiaks "one cut and go" philosophy and allows him to conserve his stamina. I can keep going... Oh, and....***Vernand Morency still hasn't seen a 1st team snap***

Very good points. The only thing that comes to mind reading this is the fact that it is the pre-season and the vast majority of players do not go to 100% game speed during this period. If Lundy repeats this type of play during the first 3 games of the season then I'll really start to buy into him. Great points though! Very nice!

 

[mojorizin]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I agree. This approach consists of slogging through actual preseason games, evaluating talent with one's own eyes, and making an informed projection/drafting decision based on an informed analysis. This is much more effective than relying on a FF website's canned opinion. This the move that separates the men from the boys (or the sharks from the guppies).

Uh-huh.And you saw what exactly from Wali Lundy in 15 minutes of preseason action involving a handful of starters, also-rans, retreads and former cheerleaders that has caused you to form this learned analysis?Guess what? You will draft him right about where everybody else does. Just like the guy that printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago.

There's really no reason to be such a condescending smart aleck. You look a bit silly challenging me/everyone else on an issue where you are clearly the one who is uninformed. First of all, the "guy who printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago" doesn't know which team Lundy/Morency plays for. And I want you to tell me how many "also-rans, retreads, and former cheerleaders" have actually tackled this guy. You obviously aren't willing to put in the time so don't bother looking it up, so I've done the work for you:3-7-KC41 (5:33) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 16 for 25 yards (S.Knight, G.Wesley). 2-1-KC7 (4:15) W.Lundy right guard to KC 3 for 4 yards (K.Bell). 1-3-KC3 (3:36) W.Lundy up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 2-10-HOU27 (11:07) W.Lundy right guard to HST 31 for 4 yards (K.Fox). 2-1-HOU45 (5:40) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 49 for 4 yards (B.Grigsby, B.Pollard). 2-6-KC47 (3:51) S.Rosenfels pass short middle to W.Lundy to KC 38 for 9 yards (R.Scanlon). 1-7-KC7 (2:26) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 5 for 2 yards (J.Page; K.Fox). 1-10-HOU45 (14:46) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 46 for 1 yard (J.Kennedy). 3-23-HOU32 (13:48) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 45 for 13 yards (W.Witherspoon). 1-10-HOU29 (10:22) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 34 for 5 yards (A.Hargrove, J.Kennedy). 1-10-HOU25 (6:44) D.Carr pass short middle to W.Lundy to HST 38 for 13 yards (P.Tinoisamoa). 1-10-HOU38 (6:13) W.Lundy up the middle to HST 41 for 3 yards (J.Kennedy). 1-10-STL39 (4:48) W.Lundy left tackle to SL 18 for 21 yards (W.Witherspoon). 2-10-HOU39 (14:31) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 42 for 3 yards (J.Fisk). 1-10-STL16 (14:47) W.Lundy right tackle to SL 9 for 7 yards (J.Brooks). 1-10-HOU31 (9:02) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 40 for 9 yards (I.Gold). 2-1-HOU40 (8:33) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 44 for 4 yards (E.Ekuban). 1-10-HOU44 (7:56) W.Lundy left end to HST 48 for 4 yards (Da.Williams). 2-6-HOU48 (7:18) W.Lundy right tackle to 50 for 2 yards (M.Myers). 2-10-HOU42 (3:58) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 48 for 6 yards (D.Foxworth). 1-10-HOU14 (14:45) D.Carr pass right to W.Lundy to HST 26 for 12 yards (A.Wilson). 1-17-HOU7 (14:19) W.Lundy left end to HST 5 for -2 yards (E.Ekuban). 2-19-HOU5 (13:35) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 6 for 1 yard (M.Myers). 3-18-HOU6 (12:50) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 11 for 5 yards (I.Gold). 1-10-HOU20 (4:18) D.Carr pass short right to W.Lundy to HST 24 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 2-6-HOU24 (3:47) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 28 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 1-10-DEN30 53) W.Lundy left tackle to DEN 24 for 6 yards (Da.Williams). 2-4-DEN24 35) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 16 for 8 yards (DJ.Williams) 2-15-DEN21 21) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 11 for 10 yards (DJ.Williams). 90%+ of those guys are first team defenders (a few pro bowlers in there as well). Forget about "eyes on" evaluation for a moment and two things jump out immediately.1. Lundy's carries produce more yards as the game progresses. This the mark of a legitimate feature back and a solid indication that he's a guy who can wear down defenses. 2. He has one negative carry in the preseason. One. And it was a situation where Houston was backed up on their 5 yard line and everyone in the house knew what was coming. Kubiak simply needed him to protect the football and create some more room for the punter and he provided that on his next two carries by moving the team out to the 11 yard line on two more carries. He's a smooth ballcarrier who doesn't waste any motion (unlike Morency). This approach falls in line with Kubiaks "one cut and go" philosophy and allows him to conserve his stamina. I can keep going... Oh, and....***Vernand Morency still hasn't seen a 1st team snap***

Nice effort. My problem isnt with Lundi (or any other player everyone gets in a scramble over) at all. I only get my panties in a bunch when I hear this "shark move" crap. I just happened to hear it over Lundi. Its the "someone who pays even a modicum of attention to the NFL move". There will be shark move after shark move in drafts all over the country - half of em work, half of em dont. The guy will now go in every draft to genius, regular guy, and imbecile alike. If someone drafted him a month ago, I tip my cap to em. Other than that, its something anyone can do. We've done it with spot starters and preseason wonders for years.

 

[ydub]

So to keep this on target...

We have so far

RB30

RB30

8th Round

Not before 10th Round

Pimpin Aint easy laughing at me

And somewhere around 12th - 14th round

Value is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I agree. This approach consists of slogging through actual preseason games, evaluating talent with one's own eyes, and making an informed projection/drafting decision based on an informed analysis. This is much more effective than relying on a FF website's canned opinion. This the move that separates the men from the boys (or the sharks from the guppies).

Uh-huh.And you saw what exactly from Wali Lundy in 15 minutes of preseason action involving a handful of starters, also-rans, retreads and former cheerleaders that has caused you to form this learned analysis?

Guess what? You will draft him right about where everybody else does. Just like the guy that printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago.

There's really no reason to be such a condescending smart aleck. You look a bit silly challenging me/everyone else on an issue where you are clearly the one who is uninformed. First of all, the "guy who printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago" doesn't know which team Lundy/Morency plays for. And I want you to tell me how many "also-rans, retreads, and former cheerleaders" have actually tackled this guy. You obviously aren't willing to put in the time so don't bother looking it up, so I've done the work for you:3-7-KC41 (5:33) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 16 for 25 yards (S.Knight, G.Wesley).

2-1-KC7 (4:15) W.Lundy right guard to KC 3 for 4 yards (K.Bell).

1-3-KC3 (3:36) W.Lundy up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

2-10-HOU27 (11:07) W.Lundy right guard to HST 31 for 4 yards (K.Fox).

2-1-HOU45 (5:40) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 49 for 4 yards (B.Grigsby, B.Pollard).

2-6-KC47 (3:51) S.Rosenfels pass short middle to W.Lundy to KC 38 for 9 yards (R.Scanlon).

1-7-KC7 (2:26) W.Lundy right tackle to KC 5 for 2 yards (J.Page; K.Fox).

1-10-HOU45 (14:46) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 46 for 1 yard (J.Kennedy).

3-23-HOU32 (13:48) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 45 for 13 yards (W.Witherspoon).

1-10-HOU29 (10:22) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 34 for 5 yards (A.Hargrove, J.Kennedy).

1-10-HOU25 (6:44) D.Carr pass short middle to W.Lundy to HST 38 for 13 yards (P.Tinoisamoa).

1-10-HOU38 (6:13) W.Lundy up the middle to HST 41 for 3 yards (J.Kennedy).

1-10-STL39 (4:48) W.Lundy left tackle to SL 18 for 21 yards (W.Witherspoon).

2-10-HOU39 (14:31) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 42 for 3 yards (J.Fisk).

1-10-STL16 (14:47) W.Lundy right tackle to SL 9 for 7 yards (J.Brooks).

1-10-HOU31 (9:02) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 40 for 9 yards (I.Gold).

2-1-HOU40 (8:33) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 44 for 4 yards (E.Ekuban).

1-10-HOU44 (7:56) W.Lundy left end to HST 48 for 4 yards (Da.Williams).

2-6-HOU48 (7:18) W.Lundy right tackle to 50 for 2 yards (M.Myers).

2-10-HOU42 (3:58) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 48 for 6 yards (D.Foxworth).

1-10-HOU14 (14:45) D.Carr pass right to W.Lundy to HST 26 for 12 yards (A.Wilson).

1-17-HOU7 (14:19) W.Lundy left end to HST 5 for -2 yards (E.Ekuban).

2-19-HOU5 (13:35) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 6 for 1 yard (M.Myers).

3-18-HOU6 (12:50) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 11 for 5 yards (I.Gold).

1-10-HOU20 (4:18) D.Carr pass short right to W.Lundy to HST 24 for 4 yards (A.Wilson).

2-6-HOU24 (3:47) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 28 for 4 yards (A.Wilson).

1-10-DEN30 53) W.Lundy left tackle to DEN 24 for 6 yards (Da.Williams).

2-4-DEN24 35) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 16 for 8 yards (DJ.Williams)

2-15-DEN21 21) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 11 for 10 yards (DJ.Williams).

90%+ of those guys are first team defenders (a few pro bowlers in there as well).

Forget about "eyes on" evaluation for a moment and two things jump out immediately.

1. Lundy's carries produce more yards as the game progresses. This the mark of a legitimate feature back and a solid indication that he's a guy who can wear down defenses.

2. He has one negative carry in the preseason. One. And it was a situation where Houston was backed up on their 5 yard line and everyone in the house knew what was coming. Kubiak simply needed him to protect the football and create some more room for the punter and he provided that on his next two carries by moving the team out to the 11 yard line on two more carries. He's a smooth ballcarrier who doesn't waste any motion (unlike Morency). This approach falls in line with Kubiaks "one cut and go" philosophy and allows him to conserve his stamina. I can keep going...

Oh, and....

***Vernand Morency still hasn't seen a 1st team snap***

Nice effort. My problem isnt with Lundi (or any other player everyone gets in a scramble over) at all. I only get my panties in a bunch when I hear this "shark move" crap. I just happened to hear it over Lundi. Its the "someone who pays even a modicum of attention to the NFL move". There will be shark move after shark move in drafts all over the country - half of em work, half of em dont. The guy will now go in every draft to genius, regular guy, and imbecile alike. If someone drafted him a month ago, I tip my cap to em. Other than that, its something anyone can do. We've done it with spot starters and preseason wonders for years.

You're right. There is a certain amount of risk associated with any "shark move" so the trick really isn't anything magical, but my point is that one will get lost with strict adherance to the numbers. To get ahead of the curve and beat "sharks" (not guppies) you've got to watch a few ballgames. My point was that a number of "informed" individuals seem to just cobble information together from various sources without actually attempting to see what the coaches see. The game. That's the only way one could draw the conclusion that Lundy is just a placeholder for Morency (which is a ridiculous concept anyway).Bottom line: Lundy is RB1 in Houston. It's his job to lose, not Morency's. Julius Jones is consistently drafted in the 3rd round. Julius Jones is RB1 in Dallas. It's his job to lose, not Barber's. Lundy has more TD potential in Houston than Jones has in Dallas. I just don't see how Lundy in the 8th round is a reach, providing DD is placed on the IR/PUP.

Full disclosure: I drafted Lundy 8/5/06 with the 3rd pick in the 6th round of a rookie draft in a 14 team dynasty/salary cap/IDP league in which I already owned Morency. I own Lundy in another league as well.

 

[gheemony]

Well, I think it is high risk/high reward because (1) Davis could come back; (2) likely RBBC; (3) Morency could pass him; and (4) HOU could pick up someone like Dayne.

For that reason, I traded Lundy and Morency for Tony Gonzalez and Santonio Holmes is a keeper league to the Davis owner. See what the Davis owner is willing to give up - I think you'll find that you'll get incredible value. I went from HIlton to Gonzo as my starting TE and still have Rudi, McGahee, Droughns, and M Bell as my RBs.

 

[brakeyawself]

Well, I think it is high risk/high reward because (1) Davis could come back; (2) likely RBBC; (3) Morency could pass him; and (4) HOU could pick up someone like Dayne.For that reason, I traded Lundy and Morency for Tony Gonzalez and Santonio Holmes is a keeper league to the Davis owner. See what the Davis owner is willing to give up - I think you'll find that you'll get incredible value. I went from HIlton to Gonzo as my starting TE and still have Rudi, McGahee, Droughns, and M Bell as my RBs.

You probably should have traded Mike Bell. Barring a Davis coming back, Lundy probably sees the field more than Bell.

 

[gheemony]

Well, I think it is high risk/high reward because (1) Davis could come back; (2) likely RBBC; (3) Morency could pass him; and (4) HOU could pick up someone like Dayne.For that reason, I traded Lundy and Morency for Tony Gonzalez and Santonio Holmes is a keeper league to the Davis owner. See what the Davis owner is willing to give up - I think you'll find that you'll get incredible value. I went from HIlton to Gonzo as my starting TE and still have Rudi, McGahee, Droughns, and M Bell as my RBs.

You probably should have traded Mike Bell. Barring a Davis coming back, Lundy probably sees the field more than Bell.

A fair point, and one that I considered. One key factor is that we have limited roster spots (6 RBs), so the HOU RB situation was costing me 2 precious roster spots instead one for Mike Bell. Second, we are salary cap league, and Mike Bell's overall cap impact was lower than the combined HOU RB situation. Lastly, the trade was with the Davis owner who is very high on the HOU RB situation (the next Denver), so I got more value for Lundy/Morency than I think I would have gotten for Bell. Finally, I think the Davis owner is the only guy that would have traded for Lundy/Morency. But I have other owners sniffing around for Mike Bell. I might still trade him before the season starts. I might wait for a Quentin Griffin like start and trade him then. With Rudi, McGahee, and Droughns, my season doesn't depend on Mike Bell. He could be Griffin and it's no harm. But if he's Droughns or Mike Anderson, I've got myself a nice chip to trade later. But it was a tough call, especially with rumblings that Skeletor might start Cobbs. Mike Bell's value could fall through the floor if we see Cobbs start the preseason game. All Mike Bell owners really need to see him start the last preseason game, break at least one long run, and, if given a fair chance, score a TD.I would also add that I think Morency ends the main guy in Houston. And our unique active roster (4 RBs)/practice squad (2 RBs) setup would have made it hard for me to activate Morency after I had activated Lundy. I didn't want to play that guessing game.

 

[buffburgo]

So, has it been decided that Wali is for sure the starter? Does Morency still have a shot? I ask because I ahve Morency as my 3RB (behind Tiki and Duece) but only have 3 Bench spots on my roster currently occupied by Morency, Derrick Mason and Troy Williamson. Would you recommend that I...

#1 drop Morencey and grab Lundi

#2 drop one of the other 2 benchers and grab Lundi

#3 hold fast and see what happens

 

[mojorizin]

So, has it been decided that Wali is for sure the starter? Does Morency still have a shot? I ask because I ahve Morency as my 3RB (behind Tiki and Duece) but only have 3 Bench spots on my roster currently occupied by Morency, Derrick Mason and Troy Williamson. Would you recommend that I...#1 drop Morencey and grab Lundi#2 drop one of the other 2 benchers and grab Lundi#3 hold fast and see what happens

I think I'd stand pat unless other positions dictate you to do something or leave a glaring weakness.Barring a sudden healing of DD, what we've seen so far indicates it being Lundi's job to lose in the short term. If we had seen much of Lundi before, it might be different. Morency hasnt been too bad, and had an impressive performance off the bench, but I think if they had plans on starting him they'd have seen what he looked like with/against first teamers by now. I'd hold the guy until you had to make a move or at least for 3-4 weeks. If DD returns, Lundi is still making positive yardage, and isnt putting the ball on the carpet, I'd consider letting him go if I needed some space.

 

[kp88]

I think the fact that he is an uninjured RB1 in the league right now holds some vaule. Does it make him a top 15? Probably not, but when you look at the RBBC mess that is Denver, the dual injured Bears RB's, the Titans ever underachieving RB's, the question marks in the Jet's backfield, etc, etc, Lundy suddenly looks like a decent value maybe around RB20 to RB25. He's a young kid and an unknown at this point. He could explode, he could wither away to nothing. I think drafting him anytime before the 10th or 11th round is silly. But depending on how deep the run at RB's goes in your league, you may have to take a flyer on Lundy sometime in the 7th or 8th round or earlier if you are in a 12 team league and each team is snapping up 2 to 3 RB's by the 5th or 6th round. Will it kill your team at that point to take him? Probably not. Unless there is some tremendous value at another position that is being ignored, Lundy may have to be on your squad.

 

[AnonymousBob]

So, has it been decided that Wali is for sure the starter? Does Morency still have a shot? I ask because I ahve Morency as my 3RB (behind Tiki and Duece) but only have 3 Bench spots on my roster currently occupied by Morency, Derrick Mason and Troy Williamson. Would you recommend that I...#1 drop Morencey and grab Lundi#2 drop one of the other 2 benchers and grab Lundi#3 hold fast and see what happens

Wali is the starter, I'd say drop Vernand for Lundy. Starter > backup. Whether or not he keeps the job is up for debate, but if Morency hasn't been able to win the job in the preseason, why would he be able to win it in the regular season?

 

[grabnmcbutt]

Lundy in the 10th last night

 

[Tau837]

My problem isnt with Lundi (or any other player everyone gets in a scramble over) at all. I only get my panties in a bunch when I hear this "shark move" crap. I just happened to hear it over Lundi. Its the "someone who pays even a modicum of attention to the NFL move". There will be shark move after shark move in drafts all over the country - half of em work, half of em dont. The guy will now go in every draft to genius, regular guy, and imbecile alike. If someone drafted him a month ago, I tip my cap to em. Other than that, its something anyone can do. We've done it with spot starters and preseason wonders for years.

It didn't have to be a month ago. I drafted him in both of my drafts last weekend, before he was announced as a starter and before the rumors started about Davis. I got him at 14.10 in a 14 team, 15 round draft on Saturday afternoon, and at 19.1 in a 10 team, 20 round draft on Sunday night. That is pick 192 and 181, respectively. Is that a "shark move"? I probably wouldn't call it that, but there is no doubt that it was great value in both cases.

 

[Rick Blaine]

How people think Lundy has no value is beyond me. If he flops or he is ROY right now it doesn't matter. The fact is he is, as of this very moment, the starter in Houston.I don't know how many carries he'll get per game if he'll last past one game or the whole season. To me it doesn't matter right now.If you play in leagues with 12 teams or larger Wali Lundy is valuable. Especially if you can start 3 RBs.That is his value to me. A starting RB in the NFL. So he could be No. 1 or No. 32.Grab him and trade him. Grab him and keep him. Doesn't make you a "Shark" or a "Guppy" either way if he is Barry Sanders or Eric Bienemy(sp?).How much value will be determined at a later date.We'll have to wait and see, but to not pick him up at all, if you have space, is IMO a little short-sided.

Not a Lundy owner, but this is the most intelligent post in this forum yet. Well said, Packer.

 

[Todem]

So to keep this on target...We have so far RB30RB308th RoundNot before 10th RoundPimpin Aint easy laughing at meAnd somewhere around 12th - 14th roundValue is a little all over the place.

I think that when value is all over the place, this is when the true fantasy shark owners take advantage. It takes a strong drafter to be able to identify and take advantage of value.

No, thats when pure luck takes over. The guys that take him ANYWHERE and he explodes, will say they are the Sharks. The guys that didnt and he flops will point out that they took Morency and are the sharks. The guy that sat on DD when he comes back and racks it up then point out sharks recognized the experience missing from the rookies and feeling the offensive line problems....... Sharks my ###.Believe me, if an NFL coaching staff doesnt have a clue what to do, I'm gonna guess that we dont either.

I could not disagree more. The truly sharp owners/drafters are the ones who can recognize (most times, no on is perfect) where value is available in different situations while others are dumbfounded. This happens a ton. The ones claiming things are luck usually miss out. How many people drafted Mike Anderson last year? How did they do? Was it luck? This same thing happens all of the time.

I agree. This approach consists of slogging through actual preseason games, evaluating talent with one's own eyes, and making an informed projection/drafting decision based on an informed analysis. This is much more effective than relying on a FF website's canned opinion. This the move that separates the men from the boys (or the sharks from the guppies).

Uh-huh.And you saw what exactly from Wali Lundy in 15 minutes of preseason action involving a handful of starters, also-rans, retreads and former cheerleaders that has caused you to form this learned analysis?Guess what? You will draft him right about where everybody else does. Just like the guy that printed off a random cheatsheet an hour ago.

So tell me how many cheat sheets was Willie Parker on last season. I will tell you, zero.Last season I was able to draft him anywhere from the 12-16th rounds and people were like "who"?Those of us who watched the pre-season closley saw a guy running first team all summer and ripping off 60 yard runs. You watch pre-season to evaluate rookies, and guy's fighting for roster spots. That is how you uncover gems and hidden value. It is what seperates great drafters from guy's who soley rely on internet info and magazines. Hard core FF owners watch and analyze players/coaching changes year round. When your a Dynasty owner it also gives you a huge edge in your redraft leagues.Now I agree you do need a good amount of good fortune and a decent helping of luck to win it all. No argument. But having a great draft can only increase your odd's of being in the money.

 

[jon_mx]

Thanks jokesters for wasting my time reading all this. I thought there would be some real educated responses in here but obviously not.

What do you expect? The guy has never played a real game yet. Nobody knows. He is only filing in until Dominick Davis comes back and when that is, no one knows. Shoot, we have heard everything from a couple of weeks to getting cut. Most people thought Morency would fill in at the starter until the coach said otherwise. If Lundy pans out and Davis sits out for a long time, he'll make a decent #3 RB. Lundy is no Willie Parker. Houston is not Pittsburg or Denver. I thought the responses were pretty consistant, RB 30 in somewhere between 8th round and 14th round. Once you get past the 8th round there is not much difference. It is all defenses, TE, kickers and flyers. Lundy is a flyer, take him in the 9th if you really want him.

 

[Todem]

Thanks jokesters for wasting my time reading all this. I thought there would be some real educated responses in here but obviously not.

What do you expect? The guy has never played a real game yet. Nobody knows. He is only filing in until Dominick Davis comes back and when that is, no one knows. Shoot, we have heard everything from a couple of weeks to getting cut. Most people thought Morency would fill in at the starter until the coach said otherwise. If Lundy pans out and Davis sits out for a long time, he'll make a decent #3 RB. Lundy is no Willie Parker. Houston is not Pittsburg or Denver. I thought the responses were pretty consistant, RB 30 in somewhere between 8th round and 14th round. Once you get past the 8th round there is not much difference. It is all defenses, TE, kickers and flyers. Lundy is a flyer, take him in the 9th if you really want him.

Yep I agree with most of that. Lundy is no Parker. But he will get a lot of action and catch quite a few balls. He can be a solid RB3 in deep leagues that can start 3 RB's. If you really want him take him in the 8th round and up. Someone who takes them earlier is grasping for fools gold and reaching. They may hit but there will be better proven talent on the board they are passing. I am talking about 12 team drafts BTW.

 

[mojorizin]

My problem isnt with Lundi (or any other player everyone gets in a scramble over) at all. I only get my panties in a bunch when I hear this "shark move" crap. I just happened to hear it over Lundi. Its the "someone who pays even a modicum of attention to the NFL move". There will be shark move after shark move in drafts all over the country - half of em work, half of em dont. The guy will now go in every draft to genius, regular guy, and imbecile alike. If someone drafted him a month ago, I tip my cap to em. Other than that, its something anyone can do. We've done it with spot starters and preseason wonders for years.

It didn't have to be a month ago. I drafted him in both of my drafts last weekend, before he was announced as a starter and before the rumors started about Davis. I got him at 14.10 in a 14 team, 15 round draft on Saturday afternoon, and at 19.1 in a 10 team, 20 round draft on Sunday night. That is pick 192 and 181, respectively. Is that a "shark move"? I probably wouldn't call it that, but there is no doubt that it was great value in both cases.

I took both he and VM on Saturday and Maroney in another, but again its just common sense as far as I'm concerned. Hell, JB has been on this guy for weeks. Its this "The shark knows where to take him" crap like this isnt just us playing Dungeons and Dragons with football players that makes my blood boil. Seriously, this aint rocket surgery. I'd no more call myself a shark if he destroys the league than I'd call us idiots if he fumbled his first two carries and ended up handing out gatorade. Whether it was great value drafting him not knowing about DD is another thing entirely. I'm not big on value until something happens to prove it valuable.

 

[mojorizin]

Thanks jokesters for wasting my time reading all this. I thought there would be some real educated responses in here but obviously not.

What do you expect? The guy has never played a real game yet. Nobody knows. He is only filing in until Dominick Davis comes back and when that is, no one knows. Shoot, we have heard everything from a couple of weeks to getting cut. Most people thought Morency would fill in at the starter until the coach said otherwise. If Lundy pans out and Davis sits out for a long time, he'll make a decent #3 RB. Lundy is no Willie Parker. Houston is not Pittsburg or Denver. I thought the responses were pretty consistant, RB 30 in somewhere between 8th round and 14th round. Once you get past the 8th round there is not much difference. It is all defenses, TE, kickers and flyers. Lundy is a flyer, take him in the 9th if you really want him.

At the same time, I'm not sure we thought Willie Parker was Willie Parker until he started doing well in real time - he wasnt much more than a flyer either. He could well have ended up being another Duce Staley with a couple of fluke preseason runs. Lundi puts up DD numbers and we suddenly start talking 1st rounder. Happens every year and everyone wants to be first on the train when it does.

 

[icehouse]

I think he has enough value to take a pass on until they say he isn't the starter (especially if someone in your league drafted D.Davis). I think his value is RB 35 (after the starting backs for the other 31 teams, and behind the handcuffs for LJ, LT and SA).