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[Bermuda_Chub]

Go to bed with the SOD, wake up with VD.

 

[FTRWRTR]

You know, maybe I shouldn't be saying this on a fantasy football site and all (hope David and Joe don't get pissed at me), but fantasy football in a way is going to ruin people's perceptions about what make a player good or bad.There are people here talking about how Vernon Davis isn't any good, when in reality he simply isn't catching passes. But as far as what he's being asked to do, by all accounts he is doing it. And doing it very well, I might add.Lorenzo Neal didn't put up big stats either. Was he not one of the best fullbacks ever to play the game? The fact is, Davis plays a sometimes thankless position. Did I think he'd put up better receiving stats this year? Of course I did. But I'm also not going to be blinded by the lack of statistical production to go so far as to call him a "bust" or a bad player.

Nowhere above, not once, did I say a word about his stats. I could care less about his fantasy production. He can block? Great - if he was an offensive tackle, he might have a long and storied career. As for "doing what he is asked to do" - I am pretty sure he was asked to catch the pass where he went all alligator arms. Someone else above said it, and it echos what a lot of scouts said about him coming out of college:Looks like Tarzan. Plays like Jane.That phrase was invented for guys like Davis.

I will add that no team drafts someone in the first round, especially early in the first round to be a blocker unless they are an o-lineman. The niners may not have expected him to be a 1,000 yard te like K2 or witten but you can't tell me they don't want him to be able to at least keep the chains moving. That has nothing to do with his ff value, he just doesn't get them first downs when they need it

 

[moderated]

You know, maybe I shouldn't be saying this on a fantasy football site and all (hope David and Joe don't get pissed at me), but fantasy football in a way is going to ruin people's perceptions about what make a player good or bad.There are people here talking about how Vernon Davis isn't any good, when in reality he simply isn't catching passes. But as far as what he's being asked to do, by all accounts he is doing it. And doing it very well, I might add.Lorenzo Neal didn't put up big stats either. Was he not one of the best fullbacks ever to play the game? The fact is, Davis plays a sometimes thankless position. Did I think he'd put up better receiving stats this year? Of course I did. But I'm also not going to be blinded by the lack of statistical production to go so far as to call him a "bust" or a bad player.

Nowhere above, not once, did I say a word about his stats. I could care less about his fantasy production. He can block? Great - if he was an offensive tackle, he might have a long and storied career. As for "doing what he is asked to do" - I am pretty sure he was asked to catch the pass where he went all alligator arms. Someone else above said it, and it echos what a lot of scouts said about him coming out of college:Looks like Tarzan. Plays like Jane.That phrase was invented for guys like Davis.

I will add that no team drafts someone in the first round, especially early in the first round to be a blocker unless they are an o-lineman. The niners may not have expected him to be a 1,000 yard te like K2 or witten but you can't tell me they don't want him to be able to at least keep the chains moving. That has nothing to do with his ff value, he just doesn't get them first downs when they need it

true, good blocking TE's can be had MUCH later then the 1st round, they are a dime a dozen.So far even if he is an all-world blocking TE he wasn't worth near the price SF paid to get him. No one drafts a blocking TE no matter how good they are in the top 10 of a draft.

 

[massraider]

Go to bed with the SOD, wake up with VD.

Nice.

 

[azcards33]

what did you guys think of the video?funny to see even Frank Gore clowning on Wonder-Boy and callin him a bust

 

[NinerK]

Yeah, it was funny. Seemed to me like the joke was more on the coaching staff (in Gore and Davis's eyes).In year's past I could agree that they didn't call his number that much. Last week was crazy though; dude doesn't want to get after it.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Still at TE8 in Top 250. Is FBG seeing something I'm not?

I expected FBG to have him about TE15+

Is he a must drop or hang on another week or two?

 

[azcards33]

Still at TE8 in Top 250. Is FBG seeing something I'm not? I expected FBG to have him about TE15+Is he a must drop or hang on another week or two?

just cut him now, that's what are the 'sharks' are doincut your losses and pick up Jerramy Stevens

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Benched him after I picked up Carlson last week. Seriously, anybody off the wire at this point is a better play. The guy simply isn't a good professional football player.

If this statement were true, he would be out of the league already. Don't mix fantasy with reality. The guy is a realy good young NFL TE, but as a fanatsy TE he's bad because of opportunity not talent.

Completely disagree. There are plenty of pro players who are simply not very good. Davis is one of them. You can have all the 'talent' in the world, it doesn't make you a good player. As for saying "He would be out of the league already"? That's absurd. The guy was the 6th player taken overall, what, three years ago? Teams don't cut those kind of investments until they have given them a thousand chances. Much like Alex Smith, Davis' contract will run its course, he will leave San Fran, some other team will be enamored with his 'talent' and will give him a chance. But he will never make any difference on any NFL offense. Ever.

Good football player from what standpoint? That he's not helping your fantasy team? The coaches have praised what he's done on the field and have said numerous times that he's a very important blocker and one of the best in the game at his position. The Martz offense doesn't feature the TE very strongly. What do you have against Vernon that you're so adamant about him being a bust and never being productive in the NFL ever?

You don't draft a guy #6 overall to be a 3rd tackle in your offense. Unless he puts up decent receiving numbers he is a bust, period. An nfl bust as well as a fantasy bust.

 

[hauser42]

Vernon Davis is the underwear man, he ran real fast in his underwear at the combine. But Davis was not a good route runner or had solid hands when he came out of college. He was thought to be a guy that could stretch the seam, but he has not shown this at all.

Davis will go on to be a huge bust from the draft he was in.

 

[elguapo07]

I will add that no team drafts someone in the first round, especially early in the first round to be a blocker unless they are an o-lineman. The niners may not have expected him to be a 1,000 yard te like K2 or witten but you can't tell me they don't want him to be able to at least keep the chains moving. That has nothing to do with his ff value, he just doesn't get them first downs when they need it

Daniel Graham. I know originally the Pats were hoping that he'd play a large part in their offense bue he turned out to be a much better blocker

 

[TwinTurbo]

Still at TE8 in Top 250. Is FBG seeing something I'm not? I expected FBG to have him about TE15+Is he a must drop or hang on another week or two?

just cut him now, that's what are the 'sharks' are doincut your losses and pick up Jerramy Stevens

Jerramy Stevens is a POS on and off the field. I would rather have Vernon Davis.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I will add that no team drafts someone in the first round, especially early in the first round to be a blocker unless they are an o-lineman. The niners may not have expected him to be a 1,000 yard te like K2 or witten but you can't tell me they don't want him to be able to at least keep the chains moving. That has nothing to do with his ff value, he just doesn't get them first downs when they need it

Daniel Graham. I know originally the Pats were hoping that he'd play a large part in their offense bue he turned out to be a much better blocker

There is a huge difference between 21 overall and 6 overall.

 

[HoTnickZ]

tough

 

[satch]

tough

As a guy who's held onto Vernon Davis for 3 years, just waiting for him to reach the potential that everyone seems to believe he has, I'm really hoping this alligator arms incident is a blessing in disguise. If he hears it enough, maybe it'll bother him and embarrass him to the point where he'll wake up and realize it's time to wake up. Hopefully he'll feel like he needs to prove himself and prove his manhood, but this time in a game. Yes, I'm reaching, but this week would be a perfect opportunity for Davis to blow up and show everyone what they've been waiting for, while proving something to his teammates who may be questioning his toughness. As much as I hate to do it, I may have to start him again this week.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Greg Cosell was on Sirius's NFL Fantasy Show last night and was asked about VD. He said he has watched his game tape and spoke to coaches and what he sees is a player who can run very fast in a straight line, has no idea how to run routes, has no idea how to set up the opposing defense and a player that does not take well to coaching. He then went on to tear him down a bit more from things he knows via the coaching staff.

 

[thecatch]

Benched him after I picked up Carlson last week. Seriously, anybody off the wire at this point is a better play. The guy simply isn't a good professional football player.

If this statement were true, he would be out of the league already. Don't mix fantasy with reality. The guy is a realy good young NFL TE, but as a fanatsy TE he's bad because of opportunity not talent.

Completely disagree. There are plenty of pro players who are simply not very good. Davis is one of them. You can have all the 'talent' in the world, it doesn't make you a good player. As for saying "He would be out of the league already"? That's absurd. The guy was the 6th player taken overall, what, three years ago? Teams don't cut those kind of investments until they have given them a thousand chances. Much like Alex Smith, Davis' contract will run its course, he will leave San Fran, some other team will be enamored with his 'talent' and will give him a chance. But he will never make any difference on any NFL offense. Ever.

Good football player from what standpoint? That he's not helping your fantasy team? The coaches have praised what he's done on the field and have said numerous times that he's a very important blocker and one of the best in the game at his position. The Martz offense doesn't feature the TE very strongly. What do you have against Vernon that you're so adamant about him being a bust and never being productive in the NFL ever?

You don't draft a guy #6 overall to be a 3rd tackle in your offense. Unless he puts up decent receiving numbers he is a bust, period. An nfl bust as well as a fantasy bust.

You can be a bust and still be a productive NFL player. Any top 10 pick who isn't an all-pro is probably a 'bust' relative to his expectations.