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Vibram Fivefingers (1 Viewer)

Not sure about these, but I picked up a pair of Nike Frees and ran in them a couple of times and it feels great. Very different running motion, and I like it.

 
Jewell said:
SierraKiloBravo said:
Alias said:
I tried trying a pair on. It is a royal PITA to thread your toes into the little toe culdesacs. Do not want.
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This does look like it would be annoying. Can't they just make that part of the shoe like a normal shoe? Or does that kill the entire point?
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If you want a running shoe that will simulate the effect of the Fivefingers without you looking like a ##### while wearing them, then try the Nike Free 3.0. The concept is supposed to mimmick barefoot running.I've been running for years and would never consider buying Nike running sneakers. Then I tried the Nike Free 3.0 and I'll never consider any other running sneaker.
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Those may be improved/different running shoes, but they still don't appear to simulate the Five Fingers concept. The toes need to be free to individually grip which is anatomically "correct", the whole idea behind the show. Also, those Nikes you linked are still going to have you landing heel first as you stride, which again is not the way that the Five Fingers operate.
 
Any more testimony on these?

I'm a 50+, double meniscectomy patient (both knees- due in large part to my own stupidity) :wall: looking to get back into running after several years off.

After my second surgery, my surgeon basically told me that I should consider hanging up the shoes or I could run myself into a knee replacement. :excited: A midfoot striker, I am interested in pursuing alternative footwear- some of which I understand actually lessen the impact of running on the knees in comparison to conventional "heel strike" shoes.

:goodposting:

 
glock said:
Any more testimony on these?

I'm a 50+, double meniscectomy patient (both knees- due in large part to my own stupidity) :nerd: looking to get back into running after several years off.

After my second surgery, my surgeon basically told me that I should consider hanging up the shoes or I could run myself into a knee replacement. :lmao: A midfoot striker, I am interested in pursuing alternative footwear- some of which I understand actually lessen the impact of running on the knees in comparison to conventional "heel strike" shoes.

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Love my Nike Frees, they do exactly this.
 
Otis said:
glock said:
Any more testimony on these?

I'm a 50+, double meniscectomy patient (both knees- due in large part to my own stupidity) :wall: looking to get back into running after several years off.

After my second surgery, my surgeon basically told me that I should consider hanging up the shoes or I could run myself into a knee replacement. :shock: A midfoot striker, I am interested in pursuing alternative footwear- some of which I understand actually lessen the impact of running on the knees in comparison to conventional "heel strike" shoes.

:popcorn:
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Love my Nike Frees, they do exactly this.
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...And you are not a little guy. Cool. Before picking these up, would you have classified yourself a midfooty as opposed to a heel striker?
 
Do you wear these on bare feet, or do you get five-toed socks?

Guessing the former, but REI has "toe socks" for sale as well.

 
Matthias said:
Bare feet.The only drawback is that they tend to get a little smelly after a little while, but you can throw them into the washing machine which mostly takes care of it.
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I've not used mine heavily, but I also put baby powder in to help with the smell, just as I do with my regular gym shoes.
 
The only person I ever saw wearing them, also has socks on at the time... that he cut the toes off of.

 
In The Zone said:
Question. Would these shoes be OK for 4 days of walking around Disney World?
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They'd be great for that -- but if you haven't already worn them for a while, expect some sore calf muscles for a while until you strengthen them. You'll be getting a workout each time you walk, initially. So it might be better to start slowly instead of walking for four long days in them right off the bat.
 
Good idea. I might look into getting a pair early next year and try to get use to them and break them in before my August trip to WDW

 
Running Shoes Changed How Humans RunRachael RettnerLiveScience Staff WriterLiveScience.com rachael Rettnerlivescience Staff Writerlivescience.com 2 hrs 42 mins agoWhen you strap on a typical running shoe, you may be fighting evolution.Modern-day running shoes have changed the way people run, altering our gait from that of barefoot running - the manner by which people ran for thousands of years before the arrival of the cushioned shoes found on store shelves today - a new study suggests.The study showed barefoot runners tend to hit the ground toe first, a style that minimizes forces that jar the body, while people used to running shoes have largely adopted a heel-first style that can mean lots of force on the body.While several studies have compared running barefoot to running with shoes, the current study, published this week in the journal Nature, is the first to include analyses of runners who have never worn modern footwear, the researchers say.Humans started wearing running shoes only relatively recently, with use of this footwear taking off in the last 40 years. Before that, people either ran barefoot or wore shoes that would seem to offer little protection from the ground, such as sandals or moccasins.For nearly as long, people have debated which is better. While the new study may not solve the vigorous debate, it does add data on the physiological effects of running shoes.The researchers aren't suggesting runners ditch their shoes. For one, barefoot running can take getting used to, and it takes stronger muscles, so the switch could lead to tendonitis.Heel-toe or toe-heel?When you run, every step you take puts forces on your body, caused by the impact of your foot colliding with the ground. If you land with your heel first, a so-called "rear-foot strike," this impact force is quite large, several times your weight, and occurs over a very short period of time."It's like someone hitting you on the heel with a hammer two to three times your body weight," said study researcher Daniel E. Lieberman, a professor of human evolutionary biology at Harvard University.Runners with modern shoes usually strike the ground with their heel first, although the cushioning present at the rear of many running shoes can lessen this impact force.But since we haven't always had this heel protection, Lieberman and his colleagues wanted to find out how humans were able to hold up against these forces when they ran barefoot.They examined the running styles of five different groups: athletes from the United States who always wear running shoes; athletes from the Rift Valley Province in Kenya who grew up running barefoot, but now don modern running shoes; U.S. runners who used to wear shoes, but now go barefoot; and runners from Kenya who either always wear shoes or have never worn shoes.They saw that runners who were used to running in shoes most often strike the ground heel first, even when running barefoot. Those individuals who grew up running barefoot, or switched to running barefoot, usually landed with their toes first, a so-called "fore-foot strike."The barefoot runners, including those who grew up running sans shoes and those who had recently switched to barefoot, sometimes landed on their mid-foot as well, but they were much less likely to land on their heel.Lieberman and colleagues also compared the impact forces generated when runners hit the ground with their heel first versus toe first. They found that heel-striking caused a large impact force, and this force was even greater if the runners were not wearing shoes. In contrast, there was almost no collision force if the runners landed on their fore-feet.The researchers suspect that barefoot runners land on their toes or mid-feet to avoid the impact they would feel if they landed their heel. They figure barefoot runners point their toes more at each foot strike, which effectively decreases the weight of the foot that comes to a sudden halt at that moment. The pointed toe also means a springier step, which can also decrease the forces."We hypothesize that this is how people generally ran before cushioned shoes with elevated heels were invented," Lieberman told LiveScience in an e-mail.Going barefootRunning barefoot has become somewhat trendy lately thanks to the best-selling book "Born to Run" (Alfred A. Knopf, 2009), by Christopher McDougall, in which the author argues that barefoot running is better for you, and in which he mentions Lieberman's previous work.Lieberman stresses that running shoes have not been shown to increase injuries, nor has barefoot running proven to reduce damage to the body. However, Lieberman notes that a recently published study on the topic showed no studies that demonstrate modern running shoes prevent injuries.While there is anecdotal evidence that striking the ground with your toes first or mid-foot may help reduce injuries, such as stress fractures and runner's knee, future studies are needed to determine whether this type of running style actually decreases injury rates, he said.Some argue that running barefoot on hard, manmade surfaces is not good for your body. "You run on something hard, your body has to work that much harder to help absorb those forces, and that can lead to stresses and strain," Dr. D. Casey Kerrigan, a former professor of physical medicine and rehabilitation at the University of Virginia, told LiveScience this month.But Lieberman says that's not the case. Since barefoot runners more often land on their forefoot, the collision force is virtually eliminated. This finding held true even when the study participants ran on steel plates."You can run barefoot or in minimal shoes on the world's hardest surfaces and generate almost no collision [force]," he said.But what about encounters with glass or a rocky surface? Lieberman and his colleagues admit that treading on such debris will hurt, and suggest you use prudent judgment when deciding on a place to run barefoot. And they emphasize that you should only run barefoot if you want to.Going barefoot does have its risks. If you are used to striking the ground with your heel first, it can take a while to train your body to land with your fore-foot first. And since this running style requires stronger feet and calf muscles, changing gaits may put your at risk for developing Achilles tendonitis, the researchers say.The study was funded the National Science Foundation, Harvard University, and Vibram USA, among others. Vibram is a shoe company that markets a type of minimal running shoe.
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I am picking up a pair very shortly with plans to start running in them once the weather starts to warm a bit.

Any reports from people who run often on pavement/hard surfaces? How have they worn after repeated use?

 
Captain Placeholder said:
Worm said:
I am picking up a pair very shortly with plans to start running in them once the weather starts to warm a bit.Any reports from people who run often on pavement/hard surfaces? How have they worn after repeated use?
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Go back through the thread. This is covered.
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There was a couple comments (from months ago)... one from Maroney who had only used them a handful of times on concrete, and a second hand report by Ivan's friend.I'm specifically asking to see if anyone has first hand experience for how they've worn after extensive use on hard surfaces.
 
MacArtist said:
culdeus said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
culdeus said:
what about for beach running? General water crap, boating, jet ski, etc.?
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Perfect for that.
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My wife says no. :thumbdown:
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"No" as in she doesn't like wearing them, or "No" as in she doesn't want YOU wearing any?I'm tempted to go look at some now. But if she has tried them and doesn't like 'em, I'd be interested in hearing why.
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I think her exact words were something to the effect of she'd never stop laughing at me for the rest of my natural life.
 
MacArtist said:
So far, have had them on for almost two hours now (just around house). Still experiencing an odd but not uncomfortable sensation. The real test will be when I wear them out and about tmr.In a way, they remind me of the Nike Aqua Socks from the 80's but more comfy.
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do they sell socks too?
 
MacArtist said:
So far, have had them on for almost two hours now (just around house). Still experiencing an odd but not uncomfortable sensation. The real test will be when I wear them out and about tmr.In a way, they remind me of the Nike Aqua Socks from the 80's but more comfy.
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did you grab these online? I bet Great Outdoors has them. Might pop in to see. They are always on the leading edge of trendy outdoorsy footwear.
 
MacArtist said:
culdeus said:
MacArtist said:
So far, have had them on for almost two hours now (just around house). Still experiencing an odd but not uncomfortable sensation. The real test will be when I wear them out and about tmr.In a way, they remind me of the Nike Aqua Socks from the 80's but more comfy.
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did you grab these online? I bet Great Outdoors has them. Might pop in to see. They are always on the leading edge of trendy outdoorsy footwear.
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Better place, culdeus. Know the Whole Earths next to Premiere Video off Mockingbird/McMillan? They have 'em. :thumbdown:The cute (and knowledgeable) girl who helped me told me I could even wear them around the house and if I didn't like them, to bring them back.So far, I'm loving 'em!
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:confused: yeah that's the place I meant. May try them out.
 
Another bonus - talked to someone over the weekend that said TSA considers them "socks", and you can leave them on going thru airport security. :thumbup:

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
There have been a lot of articles about this lately . . .

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles...may_spare_feet/

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/82873202.html

http://www.smartplanet.com/technology/blog...-barefoot/2886/

http://www.usnews.com/health/blogs/on-fitn...nst-injury.html

http://www.bcheights.com/marketplace/runni...rcise-1.1090247

http://www.boston.com/sports/marathon/blog...ly_running.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health...article1447500/

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/177375.php

http://www.azstarnet.com/news/science/arti...491d52365d.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/...00127134241.htm
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MT,I haven't read through much of these yet, but I have a question about the research.

I have big flat feet. Does this apply to guys like me, or is barefoot running more for the average guy with a good shock-absorbing arch? Does any of the research address that?

TIA.

 
I picked up a pair of these at REI a couple of weeks ago. Figured if I hated them then as a member I could just bring them back. I cannot see doing so, I love em'. I was originally interested in them as "sand socks" since I play a lot of volleyball, but they're great for hiking and will be perfect for kayaking and the likes. The KSOs are definitely a PITA to get on...but I'm very happy I bought them.

 
Bought two pair (KSO & KSO Trek) five weeks ago. Since then I have put about 90 trail miles on the Trek and 30 P90 workouts on the KSO. I absolutely love these things.

There was some initial muscle pain on the side of my legs between the calves and ankles which I am sure was due to activating stabilizing muscles that previously were unused. I also had mild pain in my left foot after the first week which is probably because I started using them pretty much at full speed on my daily hikes. This went away quickly and I have felt zero discomfort since.

They are so comfortable I pretty much forget that I am wearing anything on my feet. They are probably not for everyone but I still highly recommend them for those who are even the least bit curious.

 
MacArtist said:
culdeus said:
MacArtist said:
culdeus said:
MacArtist said:
So far, have had them on for almost two hours now (just around house). Still experiencing an odd but not uncomfortable sensation. The real test will be when I wear them out and about tmr.In a way, they remind me of the Nike Aqua Socks from the 80's but more comfy.
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did you grab these online? I bet Great Outdoors has them. Might pop in to see. They are always on the leading edge of trendy outdoorsy footwear.
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Better place, culdeus. Know the Whole Earths next to Premiere Video off Mockingbird/McMillan? They have 'em. :popcorn:The cute (and knowledgeable) girl who helped me told me I could even wear them around the house and if I didn't like them, to bring them back.So far, I'm loving 'em!
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:lmao: yeah that's the place I meant. May try them out.
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Krista is who helped me. I went back today and got two pairs of socks. If I thought these were comfortable before, they are now ultra-comfortable. If your foot is borderline on sock sizes (mine was in between small and medium), go with the smaller size.
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I need to get a pair of these. That Whole Earths sounds like a great store.
 
jhib said:
MT,

I haven't read through much of these yet, but I have a question about the research.

I have big flat feet. Does this apply to guys like me, or is barefoot running more for the average guy with a good shock-absorbing arch? Does any of the research address that?

TIA.
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I have no idea.
 
Anyone have a clue as to how these would go over on a not so young, a tad over ideal weight, ex-runner who has had pieces of both menisci removed from his tender knees? Hypothetical situation, of course. :goodposting:

 
Got a pair of KSOs a couple weeks back. So far, they've been very comfortable for working in the yard and just general walking-about. I'm going to try them at the gym today for some light jogging.

I tried playing golf in them yesterday with mixed results. They're comfortable as hell, and my feet felt great afterward, but my swing felt "off" the whole round. I probably should have worn them to the driving range first, but didn't. I think they could work for golf, but the feel is different enough from regular golf shoes that you'd have to wear them exclusively and get used to the feel of the golf swing. Going back and forth between them and golf shoes would be problematic, I think.

Overall, I love them. Pretty much my favorite shoe now for weekend casual stuff.

 
I've got the KSOs also.

Easily my favorite shoe of all time.

Wore them today for my CrossFit Total workout, and hit PRs on all three lifts: back squat: 405 lbs, dead lift: 505 lbs, and shoulder press: 210 lbs.

Particularly on the back squat, I knew the shoes made a huge difference in my balance and have a solid, stable platform from which to drive the lift up.

Oh, and as an added bonus, you don't have to take them off to go through airport security.

 
Wore my KSOs for a 3 mile run plus some light plyometircs and wow did my calves hurt the next few days! (in a good way) I just started INSANITY and think I'm going to try using them tonight for that as well.

Also saw someone at the Twin Cities half marathon using them!

 
I think I'm going to pick up a pair of the classics as well. I love my KSO's but they;re a pain in the butt to put on for little things like taking the dog for a walk

 
jason12vb said:
I think I'm going to pick up a pair of the classics as well. I love my KSO's but they;re a pain in the butt to put on for little things like taking the dog for a walk
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they are a pain in the butt to get oni like mine but my big toe hurts after a while, dunno if i am just getting used to them still or if they are to small
 
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