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Vick a 1st Round fantasy pick next year? (1 Viewer)

Vick a firsty?

  • yes

    Votes: 11 44.0%
  • no

    Votes: 7 28.0%
  • yes in 2QB

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • no in 2QB

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • i wont draft vick at all

    Votes: 2 8.0%

  • Total voters
    25
as someone mentioined previously, vick is much more of an injury risk than any other top qb. if i end up with Vick in one of my leagues, assuming kolb is still around, ill be spending a late round pick on him as my second qb.
Says the guy with Kolb as his avatar :suds: :goodposting:
nice catch.still think vick is a lock as a first round ff pick unless he really bombs in the playoffs as that will over shadow what he did during the year
This makes no sense whatsoever.So, if he bombs in the playoffs, then that means the Eagles would almost assuredly lose. In other words, he'd have one bad game in the playoffs and that would overshadow 11 games worth of stellar play?
 
as someone mentioined previously, vick is much more of an injury risk than any other top qb. if i end up with Vick in one of my leagues, assuming kolb is still around, ill be spending a late round pick on him as my second qb.
Says the guy with Kolb as his avatar :mellow: ;)
nice catch.still think vick is a lock as a first round ff pick unless he really bombs in the playoffs as that will over shadow what he did during the year
This makes no sense whatsoever.So, if he bombs in the playoffs, then that means the Eagles would almost assuredly lose. In other words, he'd have one bad game in the playoffs and that would overshadow 11 games worth of stellar play?
I think if he plays another "Mortal" game, he easily slides past the half way point in the first round. Granted his last "Mortal" game he put up 22 FPS, but I think certainly to the layman drafter and to an extent a more sharky one too, his other worldliness takes a hit.
 
The thing that I keep coming back to is this: In his WORST game that he started and finished, he scored 22 points in my league. The #2 QB (Rodgers) AVERAGED 22.9 ppg. The 3# (Manning) averaged 21.4 ppg. Even his worst game is in line with an average game with his closest competitors.

 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.

 
I think you will have a lot of naysayers combined with a deep pool of qbs and that will push him down to the end of the first or the beginning of the second. If I get lower than top three, I would snap him up in a heartbeat.

Like the [previous poster said, he is rocking 20 points even on a down game because of the 50 - 70 yrds rushing he gets every game.

 
Took him as 2.02 pick of a 12 team 2 QB flex dynasty league this season. He'll probably be worth a late first/early second in regular non-dynasty leagues if he's re-signed and he puts up another season like the last he'll be worth the same next season, if not more.

1 QB dynasty - no

2 QB dynasty - yea, or maybe early second round

1 QB redraft - yea, or maybe early second round

2 QB redraft - Definitely

 
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whoever put no in a 2qb is dumb. I voted yes, but it depends on scoring. in 3pt passing td leagues he might slight to the second (but will be the 1st/2nd qb taken)In a 2 qb league Vick is the #1 pick.
his value is actually higher in 3p passing td leagues.
 
I took him 1.6 in an early draft that started on 7-9-11. Probably could have traded back a little, but I figured I'd get Stephen Jackson or Drew in the second round. I was right, Jackson was there.

 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
Lol what? Why isnt he being compared to the elite QBs?
 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
Lol what? Why isnt he being compared to the elite QBs?
Because Vick blew away all other QB's including the "elite" with his per game average in 2010

 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
Lol what? Why isnt he being compared to the elite QBs?
Because Vick blew away all other QB's including the "elite" with his per game average in 2010
So ignoring past performance and injury history, he is automatically the consensus #1 Quarterback for 2011?

 
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With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
Lol what? Why isnt he being compared to the elite QBs?
Because Vick blew away all other QB's including the "elite" with his per game average in 2010
By that logic, Peyton Hillis and Dwayne Bowe are their respective positions #1s.
Umm, not sure how you'd figure that...?Vick beats the next closest QB by just under 5 points per game and has the #1 PPG

Vick, Michael 28.23

Rodgers, Aaron 23.47

Manning, Peyton 21.77

Brady, Tom 21.27

Rivers, Philip 21.20

Brees, Drew 20.74

Roethlisberger, Ben 20.41

Romo, Tony 20.37

Bowe ranks 8th in PPG and is more than 2 PPG behind the leader and joints a group of 4 other WR's that all scored within 1 point of Bowe

White, Roddy 19.7

Johnson, Andre 19.66

Nicks, Hakeem 19.17

Collie, Austin 18.77

Lloyd, Brandon 17.88

Johnson, Calvin 17.68

Wayne, Reggie 17.53

Bowe, Dwayne 17.35

Jennings, Greg 17.02

Hillis ranked 5th in PPG and is more than 6 PPG behind the leader and joints a group of 4 other RB's that all scored within 1 PPG

Foster, Arian 24.43

McFadden, Darren 20.49

McCoy, LeSean 19.75

Peterson, Adrian 18.39

Hillis, Peyton 18.26

Gore, Frank 18.23

Charles, Jamaal 17.59

Rice, Ray 17.31

Johnson, Chris 16.99

Jones-Drew, Maurice 16.79

So, if any other player in the league were to be comparable, seems like it would be foster with a 4PPG ahead of the next closest player and highest PPG in the league.

Vick was the highest PPG scorer in the league, nearly 5 PPG ahead of the next closest QB, and nearly 4 PPG ahead of the next closest player Arian Foster..

You're barking up the wrong tree with that Bowe Hillis argument...

 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
Lol what? Why isnt he being compared to the elite QBs?
Because Vick blew away all other QB's including the "elite" with his per game average in 2010
So ignoring past performance and injury history, he is automatically the consensus #1 Quarterback for 2011?
Now you've changed your post... But here again, you're making another silly argument... How in heavens name can you say he's being considered the consensus #1 QB? If it weren't for his 'pre-dog fight' performance average, and the injuries, he would certainly be consensus #1.. As of right now, he's typically going QB 3-5.. I haven't seen him go QB1 yet.

ranked 6th in FBG dynasty ranking

ranked 4th in FBG redraft ranking

went QB3 in my 2QB flex start up dynasty

 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
Lol what? Why isnt he being compared to the elite QBs?
Because Vick blew away all other QB's including the "elite" with his per game average in 2010
So ignoring past performance and injury history, he is automatically the consensus #1 Quarterback for 2011?
Now you've changed your post... But here again, you're making another silly argument... How in heavens name can you say he's being considered the consensus #1 QB? If it weren't for his 'pre-dog fight' performance average, and the injuries, he would certainly be consensus #1.. As of right now, he's typically going QB 3-5.. I haven't seen him go QB1 yet.

ranked 6th in FBG dynasty ranking

ranked 4th in FBG redraft ranking

went QB3 in my 2QB flex start up dynasty
I changed my post because I phrased my response wrong, if anyone was curious what I meant. Peyton Hillis and Dwayne Bowe had outlying seasons last year, does this make them contenders for elite status? Of course not. I dont know where in the bolded segment you made a mistake in your phrasing, but im having a hard time following, im not making that case at all in fact im on the other side of the fence on this particular question.

The question I was asking you was, are you basing Vicks 1st round value off of last years performance only (ignoring his midseason injury im assuming)? Also assuming hes appropriatelly ranked are you suggesting that more than 3 QBs go in the first round?

Also its a pretty bold statement to say Vick would be the consensus #1 QB if he hadnt of done a bunch of stupid stuff and gone to prison.

 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
Lol what? Why isnt he being compared to the elite QBs?
This thread is about Vick being a first round pick, correct? I'm assuming that the other picks in the first round would be RBs. The only other QB that may be a first round pick is Aaron Rodgers.The point was, Vick is going to outscore any RB you can take in the first round by boatloads of fantasy points unless he gets hurt. Any RB you take can sustain an injury just as easily. :shrug:

Vick will also outscore the other elite QBs, as evidenced by the drastic ppg advantage he had over the other top QBs. Anyone that watched him last season knows that he became an elite passer in Andy Reid's offense. He still has DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, and Brent Celek to throw to in addition to Andy Reid calling his number at the stripe on roll outs and bootlegs. The running statisics are just the cherry on top that makes him far and away the most valuable player to own in fantasy football.

 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
Lol what? Why isnt he being compared to the elite QBs?
Because Vick blew away all other QB's including the "elite" with his per game average in 2010
So ignoring past performance and injury history, he is automatically the consensus #1 Quarterback for 2011?
Now you've changed your post... But here again, you're making another silly argument... How in heavens name can you say he's being considered the consensus #1 QB? If it weren't for his 'pre-dog fight' performance average, and the injuries, he would certainly be consensus #1.. As of right now, he's typically going QB 3-5.. I haven't seen him go QB1 yet.

ranked 6th in FBG dynasty ranking

ranked 4th in FBG redraft ranking

went QB3 in my 2QB flex start up dynasty
I changed my post because I phrased my response wrong, if anyone was curious what I meant. Peyton Hillis and Dwayne Bowe had outlying seasons last year, does this make them contenders for elite status? Of course not. I dont know where in the bolded segment you made a mistake in your phrasing, but im having a hard time following, im not making that case at all in fact im on the other side of the fence on this particular question.

The question I was asking you was, are you basing Vicks 1st round value off of last years performance only (ignoring his midseason injury im assuming)? Also assuming hes appropriatelly ranked are you suggesting that more than 3 QBs go in the first round?

Also its a pretty bold statement to say Vick would be the consensus #1 QB if he hadnt of done a bunch of stupid stuff and gone to prison.
I misread your initial post, for that I appoligize. But I think your current points are much better made than the first 2..

Personally, I don't think Vick is a consensus #1 QB, or consensus #3. I think he belongs in those discussions, but certainly not the consensus favorite for either. I think it's safe to place him in the top 5 though. And there is no one QB that is guaranteed to have a better season than Vick in 2011. If he stays in Philly (which I expect) he will have as many more elite seasons as they'll welcome him to stay. That's just my opinion I know. But not far fetched at all. I think that team, and that offense is tailor made for him. And I don't see any reason to think this season will be any different than the last. IMO, he will contend for top 3 QB, if not #1. He does however have a larger risk of injury than some of the others. But if you look at it, Brady, Rodgers, Brees all have some history of injury themselves. And I'd say Manning's odds of placing #1 QB are not better than Vick's barring Injury. I think barring injury, I give the edge to Vick.

I think Rodgers will throw less this season with an improved running game from last season.

I think Manning is on the other side of the mountain. He's surely considered a declining talent at this point.

Brady is a Very consistent producer but not immune to injury himself, and not typically a favorite to finish #1 QB.

Brees seems to be constantly in the top 5 as far as capability goes, but hardly a favorite for the #1 spot either. And the Saints will likely run a bit more this year.

 
Vick just went 1st round of a dynasty startup I'm in.

He's GOT to go 1st round in redrafts. And he doesn't need to sustain last year's numbers...even in ATL I believe he finished top 3 multiple times.

 
Yes I think so. Even with a conservative projection like 3300/23/13 and 600/5....that would net Vick about 335 points in a league with 1 pt per 25 yds passing, 1 pt per 10 yards rushing, 6 pts for all TDs, and -2 per int. That's equivalent of a Peyton Manning type projection of 4300/32/14 and no rushing. And we all know Vick could break some records if he actually could stay upright for 16 games.

The only issue with Vick is that you will need to take a backup QB a little earlier than you would like.

 
With the lockout potentially ending and drafts fast approaching I wouldn't to broach this subject again.

Vick's game logs from last season absolutely jumped off the page at me. It's been said in here but in his 12 starts Vick was never under 22.3 points other than the Washington game where he sustained an early injury.

Vick's ppg average for 2010 was 30.45. That would be 487.2 fantasy points over the course of a 16 game season. To put that into a little perspective, Tom Brady scored 497 points in his record breaking 50 TD 2007 season.

Does Vick have a greater injury risk than any other running back that can be taken in the first round? Not at all. Any of those players could sustain an injury that could cost them games.

Arian Foster scored 330 fantasy points last season. Vick scored 366 in 12 games. Vick outscored the #1 QB (Tom Brady) on a ppg basis by an astounding 7 points!

The scary thing is that the numbers are sustainable. Vick became the player the Falcons thought they were drafting in 2001. He finally showed the ability to beat you with his arm and his legs.

There's never been any player like him in NFL history. He should definitely be a first round pick in standard leagues, and he should be the first overall pick in any league that awards 6 points for a TD pass.
:goodposting: Not sure if I would take him #1 overall, but after the elite RBs are off the board, you should consider Vick. Many have argued that you can't win your league with your 1st round pick....but Vick certainly could.

 
Not sure if I would take him #1 overall, but after the elite RBs are off the board, you should consider Vick. Many have argued that you can't win your league with your 1st round pick....but Vick certainly could.
The most interesting thing about it to me, and why I would consider him #1 overall, is the ppg advantage he now gives you over even the most elite of QBs. If Vick gives you even a 5 points per game average better than Rodgers you're lightyears ahead of your competition. The guy who takes Rodgers has to take him in the early 2nd round just to keep up. Imagine the advantage (roughly 10 points per week) you're getting over lower end QB1s like Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, or Big Ben. The old fantasy adage regarding positional scarcity goes out the window when you consider Vick's massive upside. Like I said in my previous post regarding Arian Foster, Vick outscored the #1 overall RB by 36 points and only started 12 games! There aren't any guarantees in fantasy football, but it makes sense to take the guy that has the potential to score 500 fantasy points. 2010 Vick, pocket passer Vick, 3,018 yards passing and 8.1 yards per attempt Vick is freaking scary! With the receiving options on that team and Vick's cannon arm he'd be a top 5 QB without his running ability even factored in. The fact that he can run a 4.3 and break off a 20 yard run when a play breaks down instead of throwing the ball into the seats makes his upside astronomical.There's never been a player as gifted as Vick in a situation this perfect for fantasy dominance.
 
In our scoring which i think is pretty standard. On a ppg basis he was the #5 QB using only his passing yardage and TDs.
which is nuts, just based on passing he was a top QB, throw in his running and it's just absurd the advantage he gives a team over any other QB in the league.In redraft he is the clear #1 FF QB.
 
'fruity pebbles said:
'Carolina Hustler said:
'fruity pebbles said:
In our scoring which i think is pretty standard. On a ppg basis he was the #5 QB using only his passing yardage and TDs.
I think you've filtered it wrong.. He was #1 QB ppg in every league I'm in
Think u misread. Im talking only hs passing yardage and passing TDs, giving zero points for rushing yards and rushing TDs.
Your league doesn't give points to QB's for rushing? That's very strange. Or are you saying you filtered that portion of scoring out to see what kind of pure passer he was? Why would you do that? He's never going to not rush.. And if he wasn't rushing for TD's, he'd be throwing more, bringing his passing PPG up..Regardless, top 5 in passing is good, especially when the running game he possess is going to catapult him past those 4 QB's who are ahead of him in passing.
 
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'fruity pebbles said:
'Carolina Hustler said:
'fruity pebbles said:
In our scoring which i think is pretty standard. On a ppg basis he was the #5 QB using only his passing yardage and TDs.
I think you've filtered it wrong.. He was #1 QB ppg in every league I'm in
Think u misread. Im talking only hs passing yardage and passing TDs, giving zero points for rushing yards and rushing TDs.
Your league doesn't give points to QB's for rushing? That's very strange. Or are you saying you filtered that portion of scoring out to see what kind of pure passer he was? Why would you do that? He's never going to not rush.. And if he wasn't rushing for TD's, he'd be throwing more, bringing his passing PPG up..

Regardless, top 5 in passing is good, especially when the running game he possess is going to catapult him past those 4 QB's who are ahead of him in passing.
I think that was kind of the point of his post...
 

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