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Wow! I hadn't heard that! Thanks so much for your informative post!! Keep up the good work.God Bless!
Seemed appropriate. A pallet of dog food coming from someone who makes millions doesn't take away the brutality he's already caused.I don't "hate" Vick. Never really did. But, he did a really bad thing - too many people try to justify it with trivial stuff, just because they like the way the guy plays football.
I don't care about how he plays football really. And I don't bitterly defend him. He did something bad and he paid a steep price for it. As a person who spends 100s of hours each year working at/with a local animal shelter and a sister pit bull rescue I know all too well about the emotions that arose from his situation. Many of the pit bull people despise him. I'm in the forgive but won't forget camp. My post was to point out that he is donating pallets of food regularly, which isn't cheap and he's still in the red financially. He goes in and buys it himself, not sending someone as some sort of token gesture. It's a small thing...then again if you've ever priced dog food at local pet stores it's not that small. The food I buy is $45/bag. A pallet of that is likely to be more than $1k at retail. And he does it fairly anonymously (I haven't seen it on the news/internet) without a bunch of fanfare. It shows me that he's sorry for what he did and is doing what he can to attempt to atone for his deeds.Seemed appropriate. A pallet of dog food coming from someone who makes millions doesn't take away the brutality he's already caused.I don't "hate" Vick. Never really did. But, he did a really bad thing - too many people try to justify it with trivial stuff, just because they like the way the guy plays football.
I think he's owned up well, and taken good steps to make his life better. Good for him. But it is always weird to see the two extremes (people that can't stand him, and people that will bitterly defend him). Neither of those extremes are healthy.
Do you have a link to this at all, by the way? The only thing I can find is these links, which point to animal lovers donating pallets of food every time he's tackled.Are you sure you're not confusing the two?I don't care about how he plays football really. And I don't bitterly defend him. He did something bad and he paid a steep price for it. As a person who spends 100s of hours each year working at/with a local animal shelter and a sister pit bull rescue I know all too well about the emotions that arose from his situation. Many of the pit bull people despise him. I'm in the forgive but won't forget camp. My post was to point out that he is donating pallets of food regularly, which isn't cheap and he's still in the red financially. He goes in and buys it himself, not sending someone as some sort of token gesture. It's a small thing...then again if you've ever priced dog food at local pet stores it's not that small. The food I buy is $45/bag. A pallet of that is likely to be more than $1k at retail. And he does it fairly anonymously (I haven't seen it on the news/internet) without a bunch of fanfare. It shows me that he's sorry for what he did and is doing what he can to attempt to atone for his deeds.
I think he's owned up well, and taken good steps to make his life better. Good for him. But it is always weird to see the two extremes (people that can't stand him, and people that will bitterly defend him). Neither of those extremes are healthy.
Link? No. I know the owner of the store.
I understand the overall point, and it's certainly valid.However, it's not about the cow looking cute. It's about how the cow is treated.We do eat meat. That's how humans work. We don't make the cows suffer and fight each other to the death before doing so, though. It really is apples and oranges. You could make your point better if you didn't use such weird examples.
I don't think most people are trying to justify what he did. It was horrible. But he went through our legal system and received the punishment that the legal system deemed appropriate. Having done his punishment, I think most people want to see that he is a changed man and a useful member of society. Up to this point it appears that he is a changed man. The dog pallet thing is just one more small example of that.Your tone suggests that you don't think he was penalized enough or that you don't think people should be so easy to forgive him. Would you agree with either of those statements?Seemed appropriate. A pallet of dog food coming from someone who makes millions doesn't take away the brutality he's already caused.I don't "hate" Vick. Never really did. But, he did a really bad thing - too many people try to justify it with trivial stuff, just because they like the way the guy plays football.
I think he's owned up well, and taken good steps to make his life better. Good for him. But it is always weird to see the two extremes (people that can't stand him, and people that will bitterly defend him). Neither of those extremes are healthy.
I think that's a fair question to ask. I don't think either, actually. At least - I don't think I do.I think people are so quick to want to love him again that they're grasping onto anything to try and do so. I think it's great he's buying dog food. I don't think it completely offsets the harm he's caused, though.I don't think most people are trying to justify what he did. It was horrible. But he went through our legal system and received the punishment that the legal system deemed appropriate. Having done his punishment, I think most people want to see that he is a changed man and a useful member of society. Up to this point it appears that he is a changed man. The dog pallet thing is just one more small example of that.Your tone suggests that you don't think he was penalized enough or that you don't think people should be so easy to forgive him. Would you agree with either of those statements?
I think he's owned up well, and taken good steps to make his life better. Good for him. But it is always weird to see the two extremes (people that can't stand him, and people that will bitterly defend him). Neither of those extremes are healthy.
Something tells me you're not aware of how cows are butchered. If they were considered pet animals, it would be just as inhumane as what Vick did with the dogs.
No, I am. I've seen those documentaries. It sucks.To be fair, I do buy beef from local farms where cows are slaughtered at least somewhat humanely (but agreed, it's not perfect). But even the worst of these aren't as bad as raising cows to have vile temperaments and fight constantly. They are two different things.
so if michael vick was killing on average one dog a week, but in a way that didnt hurt them, you wouldnt have a problem with that? I doubt it. Face it, dogs are cute, cows arent, that what it comes down to, dont tell me it isnt.
OK, I won't.You have your mind made up on this, as you're repeating your argument without listening to mine. That's OK, life works like that sometimes when you're passionate about something. We'll just stop discussing it. Cool?
No, I was actually more referring to the fact that as humans, we're omnivores. We eat meat, so we will have to (unfortunately) kill the cows to do that.If it was legal to eat dogs, and Vick was just raising dogs like chickens - and not making them fight, I'd actually be OK with that. I probably wouldn't agree with it, but that would be his decision.
Excellent point. Vick haters need to understand that if they wear leather, that's a lot like electrocuting a dog or bashing it to death on the ground. Eating meat is similar to financing a dogfighting ring.Vick paid his dues and that means nobody can criticize him again. If they do, that makes them a hater.
you realize the only reason its not legal to kill dogs for meat is because they are cute, which actually helps prove my point that people are blowing what vick did out of proportion because dogs are sooooo cute, and a human getting killed by a drunk driver isnt as cute as a dog, so its not as big of a deal.
Thanks for clarifying your position. Personally, I have not seen anyone trying to justify dog fighting based on Vick's comeback, but if you have, I understand your frustration. I am rooting for his continued comeback as a person because I believe in forgiveness and believe people can turn their lives around.I think that's a fair question to ask. I don't think either, actually. At least - I don't think I do.I think people are so quick to want to love him again that they're grasping onto anything to try and do so. I think it's great he's buying dog food. I don't think it completely offsets the harm he's caused, though.I don't think most people are trying to justify what he did. It was horrible. But he went through our legal system and received the punishment that the legal system deemed appropriate. Having done his punishment, I think most people want to see that he is a changed man and a useful member of society. Up to this point it appears that he is a changed man. The dog pallet thing is just one more small example of that.Your tone suggests that you don't think he was penalized enough or that you don't think people should be so easy to forgive him. Would you agree with either of those statements?
I don't "hate" Vick. Never really did. But, he did a really bad thing - too many people try to justify it with trivial stuff, just because they like the way the guy plays football.
I think he's owned up well, and taken good steps to make his life better. Good for him. But it is always weird to see the two extremes (people that can't stand him, and people that will bitterly defend him). Neither of those extremes are healthy.
For the record, I do think 3C's understands this. However, from what I've seen on here, many people can't distinguish the difference between perfect and evil. There is middle ground - he's human. And we shouldn't lose the lesson that comes from what he did - and the people that try to somewhat justify dog fighting in the grand scheme of things - are people who are losing that lesson.
3C's (and you) seem to have a level head. Others don't. That makes me sad, so I comment on it.
Would you feel the same way if he joined Washington?Thanks for clarifying your position. Personally, I have not seen anyone trying to justify dog fighting based on Vick's comeback, but if you have, I understand your frustration. I am rooting for his continued comeback as a person because I believe in forgiveness and believe people can turn their lives around.I think that's a fair question to ask. I don't think either, actually. At least - I don't think I do.I think people are so quick to want to love him again that they're grasping onto anything to try and do so. I think it's great he's buying dog food. I don't think it completely offsets the harm he's caused, though.I don't think most people are trying to justify what he did. It was horrible. But he went through our legal system and received the punishment that the legal system deemed appropriate. Having done his punishment, I think most people want to see that he is a changed man and a useful member of society. Up to this point it appears that he is a changed man. The dog pallet thing is just one more small example of that.Your tone suggests that you don't think he was penalized enough or that you don't think people should be so easy to forgive him. Would you agree with either of those statements?
I don't "hate" Vick. Never really did. But, he did a really bad thing - too many people try to justify it with trivial stuff, just because they like the way the guy plays football.
I think he's owned up well, and taken good steps to make his life better. Good for him. But it is always weird to see the two extremes (people that can't stand him, and people that will bitterly defend him). Neither of those extremes are healthy.
For the record, I do think 3C's understands this. However, from what I've seen on here, many people can't distinguish the difference between perfect and evil. There is middle ground - he's human. And we shouldn't lose the lesson that comes from what he did - and the people that try to somewhat justify dog fighting in the grand scheme of things - are people who are losing that lesson.
3C's (and you) seem to have a level head. Others don't. That makes me sad, so I comment on it.
Bad example. Our food is treated worse than even those dogs were.
Thanks for posting that, because I was about to. I installed most of the networks in the livestock auction houses in TN and KY. If you ever attend one of those and see what the farmers bring in, how they are treated, what's sold, and what's bought, most would change they're mind on eating meat. It took me a while to eat meat again and I still refuse to eat a fast food burger anymore (hint). Just because they come in clean shrink-wrapped plastic at the stores, people will keep telling themselves that it's humain.
I responded to this earlier.And no, even the regular butchers don't treat them worse. Is it terrible? Absolutely. Inhumane? Sure.
Because people love dogs more than humans.Can't blame them, really.
They don't intentionally torture to make them fight, but they do torture to get them moving, and they do torture to produce less fat on some cows. Oh and the cows that fight amongst themselves, the ones that die are now on your table.
Unfortunately? This is just a guess here, but I'd be willing to bet that you (or any beef eater) wouldn't find it so unfortunate if you had to try and grill up a live cow.
Not in Virginia he didn't. He went to prison for gambling not what he did to the dogs. Dog fighting still goes on in the south and Virginia gave him no time for dog torture.I don't think most people are trying to justify what he did. It was horrible. But he went through our legal system and received the punishment that the legal system deemed appropriate. Having done his punishment, I think most people want to see that he is a changed man and a useful member of society. Up to this point it appears that he is a changed man. The dog pallet thing is just one more small example of that.Your tone suggests that you don't think he was penalized enough or that you don't think people should be so easy to forgive him. Would you agree with either of those statements?Seemed appropriate. A pallet of dog food coming from someone who makes millions doesn't take away the brutality he's already caused.I don't "hate" Vick. Never really did. But, he did a really bad thing - too many people try to justify it with trivial stuff, just because they like the way the guy plays football.
I think he's owned up well, and taken good steps to make his life better. Good for him. But it is always weird to see the two extremes (people that can't stand him, and people that will bitterly defend him). Neither of those extremes are healthy.
I would not root for him as a football player, but I would definitely root for him as a person. I will admit that his comeback is much more satisfying for me because he happens to play for the team I root for.
Sounds fair. Thanks.
I think it's time we started. I'd get a kick out of cow knife fights.
I am a pitbull owner, her name is Marley, she is treated as if she was mine and my girlfriends child. I even was let go from employment because of the type breed of dog I own, so needless to say I love dogs, and more directly pitbulls. (Also why I am in defense of people who are let go on shady stuff, like the tie thread, lol) WHAT MIKE VICK DID WAS BAD, AND A EVEIL ACT. However, people CAN change, Michael Vick paid the debt his debt to society and has shown remorse. And if you don't forgive a man who has shown a new compassion, well you either have resent, which really cant be fixed... or you just dont have the mental capacity to understand how to forgive, and IMHO thats a shame.
I never said I didn't forgive him. I was making a different point entirely.
Federal charges were funding a dogfighting operation (might as well say he was charged with dogfighting), gambling across state lines and killing 6 dogs. VA gave him 3 years for dogfighting, but it was a suspended sentence. Time served in Federal prison likely played into that. He also has 4 years of probation to do. VA sentencing was somewhere towards the end of 2008. Not sure if the sentence started then. Assuming so and that would mean he still has about a year left on that with four years probation still to go.He didn't work with PETA (don't get me started on them) but with HSUS.
Although I thought the punishment was a little extreme for the crime committed, posts like these from Eagles fans certainly don't help Vick's cause.
What difference does it make if the poster is an Eagles fan? Not to mention the poster is from Texas.
Sorry I thought Gachi was an Eagles fan. The difference is that it seems like the poster is condoning the act because Vick plays for the Eagles. That may not be the case but thats how I perceived it (especially with the sarcastic tone).Amused to Death said:
From what I understand, Vick eats beef too.... ouch, double whammy!!
You really don't think Vick gets any support? Have you counted all of the supportive posts just in this thread?
I was gonna stay out of this, but really? I agree with you that its dumb that people dont care more about some players indiscretions than others.But Vick is the worst because it was such thoughtless act. The bolded part is incredibly dumb btw, livestock are bred for one purpose, dogs are pets, we breed them to be companions, its our responsibility to take care of them, nothing else.
Not all animals are butchered the same way. There are alternative ways to purchase food. I am a vegetarian and purchase a portion of my food. in season, from a local CSA. Of course I am not buying meat but for those who do meat products and free range eggs are available; you pay more money but the quality of the product is much better. I realize this is not an option for everybody but there are options,Vick paid his debt to society and I honestly wish these "lets bait the haters" threads would go the way of the Edsel.
